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Figures from Irish News
Waiting for OP appointment 6 Cos 300,000
Waiting for operation/procedure c100,000

Figures from NTPF for 26 at 31/12/20.
Waiting for OP appt 613,000
Waiting for procedure 63,000

By the end of the pandemic or the current wave at least I'd suspect we can add 10% to those.

So with 36% of the population of the Republic

Pro Rata

The NI NHS should have 220,000 on waiting lists  appointments ,instead it has 80,00 more at 300,000

And it should have 36,000 waiting on procedures instead it has nearly double at 63,000

And we being told alll along that the Nordie health care was something to be looked up to !!!!!

This is a very good panel who did well at the Tony Forristal. I'd have high expectations of them as they have scoring forwards which are as scarce as hen's teeth. Pity McGrath is still involved. He'll strangle the talent out of them with his systems and sweepers.

The group who made the Tony Forristal semi final were last years team

This group was a lot weaker at that and subsequent ages.

Agree with you on Mcgrath

Yeah i knew last years group got to the semi final but I thought this group beat one of Wexford/Limerick and lost narrowly to the other. Lost heavily to Cork alright

Wexford bet them by 5 points

Cork the eventual winners absolutely pulverized them

They bet Limerick by 3 points

Didnt get out of the group

So that would be consecutive wins over Limerick in the Tony Forristal. That's not bad going. Limerick are seemingly way ahead of everyone listening to some people

Limerick haven't won a minor all ireland since 84, that could change whenever the 2020 season is finished but good nonetheless

IIRC we had a bad afternoon on frees against wexford and possibly deserved to have been a lot closer than what we were

Cork were freakishly big across both squads all of them 6ft and over, that year well able to hurl also

Won both the forristal and sonny walsh that year with their 2 squads

This is a very good panel who did well at the Tony Forristal. I'd have high expectations of them as they have scoring forwards which are as scarce as hen's teeth. Pity McGrath is still involved. He'll strangle the talent out of them with his systems and sweepers.

The group who made the Tony Forristal semi final were last years team

This group was a lot weaker at that and subsequent ages.

Agree with you on Mcgrath

Yeah i knew last years group got to the semi final but I thought this group beat one of Wexford/Limerick and lost narrowly to the other. Lost heavily to Cork alright

Wexford bet them by 5 points

Cork the eventual winners absolutely pulverized them

They bet Limerick by 3 points

Didnt get out of the group

This is a very good panel who did well at the Tony Forristal. I'd have high expectations of them as they have scoring forwards which are as scarce as hen's teeth. Pity McGrath is still involved. He'll strangle the talent out of them with his systems and sweepers.

The group who made the Tony Forristal semi final were last years team

This group was a lot weaker at that and subsequent ages.

Agree with you on Mcgrath

[The Free State is rotten and mired in corruption.]

For those who seem to believe that the Republic is a failed state and is any way comparable to what they have in NI

A few simple facts

NI currently has a population 36% of the Republics

1.1920 2 counties Down and Antrim had 80% of the total economic output of the Island, today the total NI economic output is 8% of this islands output.

If NI was in any fit state economically, it would be contributing a third or more.

2.The Size of the Republics economy is €400bn odd, the size of NI's is £40bn odd

NI's economy should be treble what it is, £120bn odd

3.Exports

ROI total exports €160bn odd,2020 up 8% on 2019

NI total exports £7bn odd

the reality is that the increase in the Republic exports between 2019 and 2020 is greater than NI total exports tells its own story.

4.Cross Border Exports by value

34% NI exports to the Republic

1% ROI exports to NI


I could go on and on with examples as regards the disparity in wages, educational attainment, quality of life, life expectancy, even social welfare benefits which seems to a preoccupation of some from NI and the likes of gay rights and abortion rights but I wont.

I'm sure the sainted northern NHS will be thrown at me as an example of where NI is better the Republic, but when you look at the thousands on waiting lists up there, it kinda dilutes that claim too.

The reality is that the Republic is a free open and tolerant European country, hardly the failed state that some Northerners on here make it out to be, possibly to make themselves feel better.

Yet why have they a two tier health service with the public health system seeing 600-700 people lying on hospital trolleys every year, working class people being priced out healthcare?

Why have you such issues with homelessness and where being able to afford a home is a pipedream for most of the generation in their 20s?

You try and spin it anyway you want, the free state is a failed statelet and time and time again, the vested interests are looked after at the cost of the people.

Look at the ever widening welath inequality in the 26 that grows bigger and bigger every year. Look at how the FS government consistently pilfer off state resources and services to the private sector so their billionaire pals can gouge the working man for a few quid more to vital services and resources. They can vote to not pay their student nurses but are happy to overpay a billionaire €10m and refuse to look for it back.

The Free State is rotten and mired in corruption.

you are sounding more and more like Jim Alister with every passing comment son.

200,000 on NHS waiting lists in NI

10,000 Families Homeless in NI

And? Who is saying the O6 is a success?

Where have I defended the O6? I've repeatedly said both states are failed states. What part of that statement I've repeated multiple times are you failing to grasp?

The Republic is not a failed state by any metric you wish to employ,bitterness blinds you to that

Your probably one of those work shy handout out addicted Shinner fucks who's pining for a 32 socialist state which means the color of your handout money will change and life will continue on,except this time round you'll be leeching off the Irish state

I've news for you pal

There won't ever be a socialist state here

All you boys will be getting off yer holes getting jobs and paying tax if there's ever a UI

That's just nonsense.

Homelessness, a basket case public health service, an unaffordable private health sector, an out of control residential rental market being created by vulture funds, state resources and services consistently being hawked off to the private sector, a generation coming forward hawked with seismic national debt after the state bailed out billionaire bondholders and made their citizens pay for it, a generation where owning your own house will now be a pipe dream.

And you absurdly claim, you are not a failed state. The Free State is merely a means to service domestic and non-domestic billionaires, by any metric it is rotten.

I don't think people have an issue with paying tax. I think the fundamental concerns with the free state is that the money taxpayers contribute goes into an offertory box for Larry Goodman and Denis O'Brien.

God you really do hate the Republic possibly even more than the Alisters and Buntings of this world

You do realize you have more in common with them in their irrational hatred of the south than any of us that might actually be wanting to work towards  a United Ireland

You are the best ad for preserving the status quo that there is

[The Free State is rotten and mired in corruption.]

For those who seem to believe that the Republic is a failed state and is any way comparable to what they have in NI

A few simple facts

NI currently has a population 36% of the Republics

1.1920 2 counties Down and Antrim had 80% of the total economic output of the Island, today the total NI economic output is 8% of this islands output.

If NI was in any fit state economically, it would be contributing a third or more.

2.The Size of the Republics economy is €400bn odd, the size of NI's is £40bn odd

NI's economy should be treble what it is, £120bn odd

3.Exports

ROI total exports €160bn odd,2020 up 8% on 2019

NI total exports £7bn odd

the reality is that the increase in the Republic exports between 2019 and 2020 is greater than NI total exports tells its own story.

4.Cross Border Exports by value

34% NI exports to the Republic

1% ROI exports to NI


I could go on and on with examples as regards the disparity in wages, educational attainment, quality of life, life expectancy, even social welfare benefits which seems to a preoccupation of some from NI and the likes of gay rights and abortion rights but I wont.

I'm sure the sainted northern NHS will be thrown at me as an example of where NI is better the Republic, but when you look at the thousands on waiting lists up there, it kinda dilutes that claim too.

The reality is that the Republic is a free open and tolerant European country, hardly the failed state that some Northerners on here make it out to be, possibly to make themselves feel better.

Yet why have they a two tier health service with the public health system seeing 600-700 people lying on hospital trolleys every year, working class people being priced out healthcare?

Why have you such issues with homelessness and where being able to afford a home is a pipedream for most of the generation in their 20s?

You try and spin it anyway you want, the free state is a failed statelet and time and time again, the vested interests are looked after at the cost of the people.

Look at the ever widening welath inequality in the 26 that grows bigger and bigger every year. Look at how the FS government consistently pilfer off state resources and services to the private sector so their billionaire pals can gouge the working man for a few quid more to vital services and resources. They can vote to not pay their student nurses but are happy to overpay a billionaire €10m and refuse to look for it back.

The Free State is rotten and mired in corruption.

you are sounding more and more like Jim Alister with every passing comment son.

200,000 on NHS waiting lists in NI

10,000 Families Homeless in NI

And? Who is saying the O6 is a success?

Where have I defended the O6? I've repeatedly said both states are failed states. What part of that statement I've repeated multiple times are you failing to grasp?

The Republic is not a failed state by any metric you wish to employ,bitterness blinds you to that

Your probably one of those work shy handout out addicted Shinner fucks who's pining for a 32 socialist state which means the color of your handout money will change and life will continue on,except this time round you'll be leeching off the Irish state

I've news for you pal

There won't ever be a socialist state here

All you boys will be getting off yer holes getting jobs and paying tax if there's ever a UI

[The Free State is rotten and mired in corruption.]

For those who seem to believe that the Republic is a failed state and is any way comparable to what they have in NI

A few simple facts

NI currently has a population 36% of the Republics

1.1920 2 counties Down and Antrim had 80% of the total economic output of the Island, today the total NI economic output is 8% of this islands output.

If NI was in any fit state economically, it would be contributing a third or more.

2.The Size of the Republics economy is €400bn odd, the size of NI's is £40bn odd

NI's economy should be treble what it is, £120bn odd

3.Exports

ROI total exports €160bn odd,2020 up 8% on 2019

NI total exports £7bn odd

the reality is that the increase in the Republic exports between 2019 and 2020 is greater than NI total exports tells its own story.

4.Cross Border Exports by value

34% NI exports to the Republic

1% ROI exports to NI


I could go on and on with examples as regards the disparity in wages, educational attainment, quality of life, life expectancy, even social welfare benefits which seems to a preoccupation of some from NI and the likes of gay rights and abortion rights but I wont.

I'm sure the sainted northern NHS will be thrown at me as an example of where NI is better the Republic, but when you look at the thousands on waiting lists up there, it kinda dilutes that claim too.

The reality is that the Republic is a free open and tolerant European country, hardly the failed state that some Northerners on here make it out to be, possibly to make themselves feel better.

Yet why have they a two tier health service with the public health system seeing 600-700 people lying on hospital trolleys every year, working class people being priced out healthcare?

Why have you such issues with homelessness and where being able to afford a home is a pipedream for most of the generation in their 20s?

You try and spin it anyway you want, the free state is a failed statelet and time and time again, the vested interests are looked after at the cost of the people.

Look at the ever widening welath inequality in the 26 that grows bigger and bigger every year. Look at how the FS government consistently pilfer off state resources and services to the private sector so their billionaire pals can gouge the working man for a few quid more to vital services and resources. They can vote to not pay their student nurses but are happy to overpay a billionaire €10m and refuse to look for it back.

The Free State is rotten and mired in corruption.

you are sounding more and more like Jim Alister with every passing comment son.

200,000 on NHS waiting lists in NI

10,000 Families Homeless in NI

For those who seem to believe that the Republic is a failed state and is any way comparable to what they have in NI

A few simple facts

NI currently has a population 36% of the Republics

1.1920 2 counties Down and Antrim had 80% of the total economic output of the Island, today the total NI economic output is 8% of this islands output.

If NI was in any fit state economically, it would be contributing a third or more.

2.The Size of the Republics economy is €400bn odd, the size of NI's is £40bn odd

NI's economy should be treble what it is, £120bn odd

3.Exports

ROI total exports €160bn odd,2020 up 8% on 2019

NI total exports £7bn odd

the reality is that the increase in the Republic exports between 2019 and 2020 is greater than NI total exports tells its own story.

4.Cross Border Exports by value

34% NI exports to the Republic

1% ROI exports to NI


I could go on and on with examples as regards the disparity in wages, educational attainment, quality of life, life expectancy, even social welfare benefits which seems to a preoccupation of some from NI and the likes of gay rights and abortion rights but I wont.

I'm sure the sainted northern NHS will be thrown at me as an example of where NI is better the Republic, but when you look at the thousands on waiting lists up there, it kinda dilutes that claim too.

The reality is that the Republic is a free open and tolerant European country, hardly the failed state that some Northerners on here make it out to be, possibly to make themselves feel better.

100%
I worked all over the republic in 2000's, totally blown away by economic growth, and yes Dublin still gets most investment but the amount of work outside Dublin also(medical device etc) is very impressive.

the Dublin Belfast Corridor would be a powerhouse of Industry in a UI and that's not discounting the need for a balanced regional plan for everywhere else on the island also

its madness for example that there's no motorway between Derry and Belfast or between Limerick and Cork and that's just for starters.

You hear the narrative the whole time of the South cant afford us.

well maybe if the northern section of the economy was to double to €80bn or €90bn in a United Ireland economy,there wouldnt any issue with it paying its way and even at that its under performing pro rata to what it should be at €120bn.

In blunt terms the NI economy is performing at a third of its potential relative to the south

The IGNORE function Clonad

Hes one mixed up Puppy in fairness Ross

more to be pitied than anything else, thank f**k he represents no one only himself

For those who seem to believe that the Republic is a failed state and is any way comparable to what they have in NI

A few simple facts

NI currently has a population 36% of the Republics

1.1920 2 counties Down and Antrim had 80% of the total economic output of the Island, today the total NI economic output is 8% of this islands output.

If NI was in any fit state economically, it would be contributing a third or more.

2.The Size of the Republics economy is €400bn odd, the size of NI's is £40bn odd

NI's economy should be treble what it is, £120bn odd

3.Exports

ROI total exports €160bn odd,2020 up 8% on 2019

NI total exports £7bn odd

the reality is that the increase in the Republic exports between 2019 and 2020 is greater than NI total exports tells its own story.

4.Cross Border Exports by value

34% NI exports to the Republic

1% ROI exports to NI


I could go on and on with examples as regards the disparity in wages, educational attainment, quality of life, life expectancy, even social welfare benefits which seems to a preoccupation of some from NI and the likes of gay rights and abortion rights but I wont.

I'm sure the sainted northern NHS will be thrown at me as an example of where NI is better the Republic, but when you look at the thousands on waiting lists up there, it kinda dilutes that claim too.

The reality is that the Republic is a free open and tolerant European country, hardly the failed state that some Northerners on here make it out to be, possibly to make themselves feel better.

[you have a small minded free stater attitude and a misplaced, unfounded sense of superiority that believes the southerners should rule the roost.]

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And the best advertisement for not having a United Ireland if there are a considerable minority inside Northern Nationalism who think like you.

It's one thing having to deal with the mixture of arrogance and ignorance that the likes of you display here on a regular basis but you then throw the PUL mix into the tank,I don't think so

As regards my lack of education comment,you are blinded by your own stupidity there also.

You're the one displaying arrogance, intolerance and ignorance here so no need to project your shortcomings on me.

It's not a case of the north being taken in by the south. It's case of two rotten states coming to an end and a new state forming - it's your arrogance and entitlement that does not allow you see this. It's why you are against reunification, you have a small minded free stater attitude and a misplaced, unfounded sense of superiority that believes the southerners should rule the roost.

In a new Ireland - that does not happen and I look forward to that day.

point out to me where I said that?

Well you're disputing the point?

Reunification means partition of the island comes to an end, two failed states come to an end and a new state is formed. It is not a case of the north being taken in by the south.

Point out to me where i said it

[you have a small minded free stater attitude and a misplaced, unfounded sense of superiority that believes the southerners should rule the roost.]

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And the best advertisement for not having a United Ireland if there are a considerable minority inside Northern Nationalism who think like you.

It's one thing having to deal with the mixture of arrogance and ignorance that the likes of you display here on a regular basis but you then throw the PUL mix into the tank,I don't think so

As regards my lack of education comment,you are blinded by your own stupidity there also.

You're the one displaying arrogance, intolerance and ignorance here so no need to project your shortcomings on me.

It's not a case of the north being taken in by the south. It's case of two rotten states coming to an end and a new state forming - it's your arrogance and entitlement that does not allow you see this. It's why you are against reunification, you have a small minded free stater attitude and a misplaced, unfounded sense of superiority that believes the southerners should rule the roost.

In a new Ireland - that does not happen and I look forward to that day.

point out to me where I said that?

[it will be nothing of the sort. It will be a new state forming from two failed ones.]

🚨POLL🚨

@LucidTalk (Northern Ireland)

Support for a United Ireland:

No: 53%
Yes: 47%

(Excludes DK's at 11%)

Sample - 2,392
January 15-18th, 2021



Its getting closer...

Anybody hazzard a guess when a border poll will take place?

10, 20 or 30 years?

We'll need another year or two to see the outworkings or Brexit.

As an aside, I wonder will there be a census this year - are they not usually every 10 years.  If so, the results of that will be interesting.

Although in fairness, there'll be a lot of lads on here ticking the...mmmm...northern irish box.

It has no chance when you have parties like FFG who were willing to turn a blind eye to British state atrocities on this island as long as they could cling to their power and an elite ruling class in their state.

The problem with a lot of partitionists down south is that they think it's a case of the north joining their state, it will be nothing of the sort. It will be a new state forming from two failed ones.

Lol, how can you call  Republic a failed state, might be many things but that's not one

Homelessness and poverty
Disgraceful two-tier health service which has 6-700 on hospital trolleys every year with extortionate health insurance required
Inherent and widespread political corruption from FFG since the inception of the state
Institutionalised child abuse in state facilities that was ignored and hidden for decades
Massive national debt burdended on them by the govt to save the wealth of private investors
A culture of selling off state resources and services to the private sector for a song and a brown envelope
A state run by shadowy figures like Denis O'Brien and Larry Goodman
The current leaders of the two establishment parties - MM - took a bung from a property developer and LV has been up lately for interfering in the process to judicial appointments to appoint a crony and then leaks confidential documents to his mate.

Good to see we have one strong unionist who will vote No to a United Ireland

I will be voting yes to reunification.

Reunification frightens you and your rotten state.

But why would you want to be part of a "rotten state"?

Clearly you dropped out of school very early and can't read, my earlier post that you replied to covered that. I don't want to be part of your rotten state. Reunification is about the end of two rotten states and the formation of a new state. It's frustrating having to deal with people like you and having to repeat myself because you are a little bit dim but here it goes. My earlier post, that you quoted and replied to, the important bits in bold.

The problem with a lot of partitionists down south is that they think it's a case of the north joining their state, it will be nothing of the sort. It will be a new state forming from two failed ones.


Now maybe you're just a free state troll or maybe you're just not intelligent, maybe it's just the ego of free staters to think it's you're state and we're only going to be tenants - but that's not what reunification is about and that is why I assume a narrow minded person like you oppose it.

And the best advertisement for not having a United Ireland if there are a considerable minority inside Northern Nationalism who think like you.

It's one thing having to deal with the mixture of arrogance and ignorance that the likes of you display here on a regular basis but you then throw the PUL mix into the tank,I don't think so

As regards my lack of education comment,you are blinded by your own stupidity there also.


Edit by Mod5:  Personal insult deleted, user banned for 2 days.

🚨POLL🚨

@LucidTalk (Northern Ireland)

Support for a United Ireland:

No: 53%
Yes: 47%

(Excludes DK's at 11%)

Sample - 2,392
January 15-18th, 2021



Its getting closer...

Anybody hazzard a guess when a border poll will take place?

10, 20 or 30 years?

We'll need another year or two to see the outworkings or Brexit.

As an aside, I wonder will there be a census this year - are they not usually every 10 years.  If so, the results of that will be interesting.

Although in fairness, there'll be a lot of lads on here ticking the...mmmm...northern irish box.

It has no chance when you have parties like FFG who were willing to turn a blind eye to British state atrocities on this island as long as they could cling to their power and an elite ruling class in their state.

The problem with a lot of partitionists down south is that they think it's a case of the north joining their state, it will be nothing of the sort. It will be a new state forming from two failed ones.

Lol, how can you call  Republic a failed state, might be many things but that's not one

Homelessness and poverty
Disgraceful two-tier health service which has 6-700 on hospital trolleys every year with extortionate health insurance required
Inherent and widespread political corruption from FFG since the inception of the state
Institutionalised child abuse in state facilities that was ignored and hidden for decades
Massive national debt burdended on them by the govt to save the wealth of private investors
A culture of selling off state resources and services to the private sector for a song and a brown envelope
A state run by shadowy figures like Denis O'Brien and Larry Goodman
The current leaders of the two establishment parties - MM - took a bung from a property developer and LV has been up lately for interfering in the process to judicial appointments to appoint a crony and then leaks confidential documents to his mate.

Good to see we have one strong unionist who will vote No to a United Ireland

I will be voting yes to reunification.

Reunification frightens you and your rotten state.

But why would you want to be part of a "rotten state"?

if Liam is so opposed to amalgamations and so pro the smal club

Maybe he could start at home and not have Trumera's juveniles being coached everywhere bar Trumera