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We Northern Nationalists need to get beyond the "yous left us behind"narrative, there were very good reasons why the 26 Counties were powerless to do anything about the situation. It is worth remembering that southern voters will need to vote in favour of unity and that can't be taken as a given. Throwing insults is no way to persuade them.

What good reasons were there?

A "not my problem" attitude. The Free State has absolutely no position to moralise on what happened in The Troubles when they were happy enough to stand idly by and let nationalists be terrorised in a sectarian state.

When you have families who have lost and suffered at the hands of the British state and calls for restorative justice are handled with a "but the IRA" response then I think it shows the absolute contempt the Free State establishment has for northern nationalists.

There was civil war in the south over the partition of this island 

I know you have conveniently forgotten that detail

It doesn't suit your narrative of they left us behind

Bottom line

The North of this island is an underperforming asset relative to the rest of the country

Partition turned the most successful part of Ireland into one of the poorest parts of Europe with billions needed every year from the English taxpayers to keep it even at that level

NI currently has a population 36% of the Republics

1.1920 2 counties Down and Antrim had 80% of the total economic output of the Island, today the total NI economic output is 8% of this islands output.

If NI was in any fit state economically, it would be contributing a third or more.

2.The Size of the Republics economy is €400bn odd, the size of NI's is £40bn odd

NI's economy should be treble what it is, £120bn odd

3.Exports

ROI total exports €160bn odd,2020 up 8% on 2019

NI total exports £7bn odd

the reality is that the increase in the Republic exports between 2019 and 2020 is greater than NI total exports tells its own story.

4.Cross Border Exports by value

34% NI exports to the Republic

1% ROI exports to NI

So what's your point?

Are you that economically illiterate

The NI economy with all its billions in subventions from the English taxpayer is underperforming the Republic by a minimum of 2/3rds by some metrics and up to 90% in others

The billions that have spent on it by the UK taxpayer haven't shifted the arrow upwards on any graph,actually it appears that the opposite is the case

Will it come to a point in 30/40 years time,where even the english will say this is too much of a drain on us,

you lot take it on

remember the subvention to NI is an awful lot more that the EU one and we all know what happened there

Bottom line

The North of this island is an underperforming asset relative to the rest of the country

Partition turned the most successful part of Ireland into one of the poorest parts of Europe with billions needed every year from the English taxpayers to keep it even at that level

NI currently has a population 36% of the Republics

1.1920 2 counties Down and Antrim had 80% of the total economic output of the Island, today the total NI economic output is 8% of this islands output.

If NI was in any fit state economically, it would be contributing a third or more.

2.The Size of the Republics economy is €400bn odd, the size of NI's is £40bn odd

NI's economy should be treble what it is, £120bn odd

3.Exports

ROI total exports €160bn odd,2020 up 8% on 2019

NI total exports £7bn odd

the reality is that the increase in the Republic exports between 2019 and 2020 is greater than NI total exports tells its own story.

4.Cross Border Exports by value

34% NI exports to the Republic

1% ROI exports to NI

So according to this poll, a quarter of GAA people in the south would not vote for a united Ireland.

What the heck is going on?

Perhaps some of the quarter could list 5 clear reasons why not.

Give Angelo a chance

Another 6 months and he will have it close to half

The 6 counties are always going to be treated differently because of the polarisation. Currently they are neither fully Irish nor fully British but something in between.
In a United Ireland that would not change.
It will be heartbreaking  for Northern Shinners to live in a country that is not a romantic republic straight out of the Wolfe Tones.

Free stater mindset clear for all to see again. People in the 6 counties are as Irish as you, if not more, as they've had to fight for their identity.

Nordie in I'm more Irish than you shocker

only difference is we fought for our identity and won

So to summarize

Angelo hates people from the Republic and Protestants

Good luck in getting your socialist utopia

[I'd be happier if liberal prods could see the benefits first before asking a poll]

The partitionists can keep angling against it but it will happen in this decade despite all their efforts to prevent it.

What will happen in this decade? A poll, a referendum, a plan for a poll or a plan for a referendum?

I think there is enough groundswell of support both sides of the border for a poll to be called and the demographics are only trending more in support of it.

I'm struggling with that part, I'd thinking both sides would be up here rather than down there.

I'd be happier if liberal prods could see the benefits first before asking a poll

All 10 of them?

Seek Help Son

I sincerely hope there's not a wait & see policy, get left behind again,
Offaly have gotten their house in order & are doing a lot more than we are, we were looking for more from our GDA's I think this is a brilliant way to maximise,
Approx 6k per year is money well spent rather than a Journy man senior manager in a lot of clubs.
I agree I think it's def a three club per gda deal for most of our clubs, splitting the hours and money, except maybe for Portlaoise who could probably use one full time .

There's a GPO In tullamore,edenderry and one shared between Drumcullen/Rath and Seir Kieran with more in the pipeline

Hopefully the willpower is here in laois for the likes of Portlaoise and Port to put in one of their own and small progressive rural clubs similar to Rath to fund a third of a GPO also.

My understanding is also that the CB will have call on these GPO also to help with development squads summer camps,Clubs won't have access to them full time.

We also need to get our GDA numbers back up as well,I think,we were given a budget by Croke Park for 5 and a games manager 

If we don't get those numbers up quickly,there's a chance given the current climate that budget not being spent might be taken off us and spent elsewhere

I'm gone away from that side of things and age groups in my club but how many GDAs do we have now?

My understanding is, and I'm open to correction here is that with Peter Hallys departure last year,we are down to 3 GDA's plus Mike Henchy the Games Manager,which leaves 2 vacant posts which are there to be filled.

I sincerely hope there's not a wait & see policy, get left behind again,
Offaly have gotten their house in order & are doing a lot more than we are, we were looking for more from our GDA's I think this is a brilliant way to maximise,
Approx 6k per year is money well spent rather than a Journy man senior manager in a lot of clubs.
I agree I think it's def a three club per gda deal for most of our clubs, splitting the hours and money, except maybe for Portlaoise who could probably use one full time .

There's a GPO In tullamore,edenderry and one shared between Drumcullen/Rath and Seir Kieran with more in the pipeline

Hopefully the willpower is here in laois for the likes of Portlaoise and Port to put in one of their own and small progressive rural clubs similar to Rath to fund a third of a GPO also.

My understanding is also that the CB will have call on these GPO also to help with development squads summer camps,Clubs won't have access to them full time.

We also need to get our GDA numbers back up as well,I think,we were given a budget by Croke Park for 5 and a games manager 

If we don't get those numbers up quickly,there's a chance given the current climate that budget not being spent might be taken off us and spent elsewhere 

Is there many clubs interested in the new GPO roles being brought forward by Leinster Gaa?
Personally think it's a brilliant idea hopefully plenty of clubs buy in,

Full details to be explained on a Laois Gaa webinar tomorrow, Monday night

On their own it would be a lot. For possibly 2-3 clubs pool together maybe more likely.

Offaly have 3 already in place with more to follow.

I think it could be a hard sell in Laois from the few I've spoken to about it ,there's an element of we will wait and see who does it

Hope I'm wrong though

In any All Ireland set up the State will be run by those elected by the voters.
That will rule out loonylefties being in any kind of power.
If Sinn Féin still exist then they will be a Centrist catch all populist party. They're already heading that way with their 2 abortion positions, not to mention their everything free but cut taxes too.
Calling the 26Cos a "failed statelet(sic)" is the language of the 1950s and is now only used by brainwashed eejits.

Poor Angelo

He has more in common with the likes of Jim Alister.

It should be done in stages with Fermanagh rejoining first  because Fermanagh had voted allegiance to Dáil Éireann pre 1921.

Throne would be next , then Derry, followed by Armagh
Maybe Down could be digested in stages.

And Antrim, with Larne at the end.

Rejoining?

This isn't about rejoining.

This is about a new and free United Ireland.

There seems to be this arrogance from free staters that they are letting us in for some reason.

You seemed to have missed the bit where we have a vote to decide if we actually want ye

If we do

There will have be a holding pen for your ilk on the border followed by a re education camp to introduce you to gainful employment and not the notion of a socialist ie Handout Republic .

No.

The problem with Free Staters like yourself is that you seem to be under the illusion that ye are going to be housing northerners.

It's about a the cessation of two failed statelets, one denigrated by sectarianism and oppression, the other by political corruption and private business interests.

Your comments say it all, you have utter contempt for nothern nationalists but this is going to happen in spite of how much you resist. The days of a FFG dominated FS are numbered, they have destroyed future generations of young people and they won't vote for those parties any more. Putting the bankers, Larry Goodman, Denis O'Brien and the property developers ahead of the citizen has brought it to this endgame.

It's the DUP/FF/FG who are actually accelerating this inevitability despite the fact none of these parties wanting it.

Socialism is great till you run out of others peoples money

I've contempt for no one on here bar you.

Actually a SF led government in the Republic would soften their cough when they  have to implement the Austerity that's coming down the tracks 

It should be done in stages with Fermanagh rejoining first  because Fermanagh had voted allegiance to Dáil Éireann pre 1921.

Throne would be next , then Derry, followed by Armagh
Maybe Down could be digested in stages.

And Antrim, with Larne at the end.

Rejoining?

This isn't about rejoining.

This is about a new and free United Ireland.

There seems to be this arrogance from free staters that they are letting us in for some reason.

You seemed to have missed the bit where we have a vote to decide if we actually want ye

If we do

There will have be a holding pen for your ilk on the border followed by a re education camp to introduce you to gainful employment and not the notion of a socialist ie Handout Republic .

This is a fantastic piece and sums up the Free State attitude to northern nationalists.

if that's the free state attitude to northern nationalists

Why would northern nationalists want to join with us in a United Ireland ?

Such a sweeping statement when there was a civil war fought in the south over the terms of the treaty which left the 6 counties behind and in the present day opinion polls have shown a consistent desire for a UI in the 26

That's a typical entitled free state Ireland viewpoint

We don't want to leave our rotten state to join your rotten state.

We need a new Ireland, that consigns the bigotry of unionism of the political gangsterism of FFG to the dustbin.

That's why partitionists like you just don't get it.

You hate us

That's fairly obvious

I really don't understand then why you want to join us in a UI

Are there many more like you up there?

Because if there are,you are doing the job of preventing a UI better than any DUPer or Loyalist could ever do

Completely self defeating in your attitude of hectoring and insulting those of us in the south who might vote for a UI

This is a fantastic piece and sums up the Free State attitude to northern nationalists.

if that's the free state attitude to northern nationalists

Why would northern nationalists want to join with us in a United Ireland ?

Such a sweeping statement when there was a civil war fought in the south over the terms of the treaty which left the 6 counties behind and in the present day opinion polls have shown a consistent desire for a UI in the 26