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64 inter-county teams. I'd like to see where they'll find the money for that. Sure why stop at inter-county?  Crossmaglen would beat at least half the inter-county teams out there. And then what about the women? They put in just as much effort. People would want to think this through for more than five seconds.

Legitimising payment for managers = payment for players = the end of the GAA as we know it. It really is that simple.

I find it very confusing that Seanie Johnston is training with Cavan Gaels, seeing as he is a member of the St. Kevin's club in Kildare and living in Straffan. Seanie is also on record in a recent interview as saying that "If I'm playing with Kildare and training six days a week, it's impossible to be living in Cavan."

But it seems he's training in Cavan...so by Seanie's own standards, doesn't that make it impossible for him to be living in Kildare?

My word, this is all very confusing. Oh, so confusing.

[they are not complete angels either]

2. Derrytresk are very theatrical. There are about 6 or 7 incidents in that video I would say? I would say 4 of them are vastly exaggerated. Even the referee told a derrytresk man to get up at one point and when do you ever see that?!

You try taking a full force punch to the stomach, a targetted upper body challenge to the head when you are fully committed to the ball, or a punch to the face while lying on the ground. See how quickly you get up. Not very I'd guess.

Yes Derrytresk have been treated extremely harshly and there are two sides to it but they are not complete angels either.

Is anybody making that claim?

[You'd be very lucky to get away with a yellow card for that.]

My take on the incidents is in bold:

1.Bad tackle . Joe McKee is pushed+tripped by two Dromid players and springs up again.
You'd be very lucky to get away with a yellow card for that.

Meant to to say you'd be lucky to get away without a yellow card. Wasn't a red card offence obviously. That just leaves the four from that video.

[You'd be very lucky to get away with a yellow card for that.]

My take on the incidents is in bold:

1.Bad tackle . Joe McKee is pushed+tripped by two Dromid players and springs up again.
You'd be very lucky to get away with a yellow card for that.

2.Punch   Derrytresk player punched to the mid-riff with considerable force right in front of ref-O'Sullivan tries to pull this player up-what the hell was he at? Dromid player just booked(melee follows slightly after this)  None of the Derrytresk boys react.
Derrytresk player tries to grab the ball out of the hands of the Dromid no. 6. No. 6 immediately punches Derrytresk player to the stomach with considerable force. Straight red for me.

3.Bad tackle  Hard to see but looks like DT player caught high.  Ref runs over and tells him to get up.
Derrytresk players has his eyes fully on the ball, Dromid player clearly targets his head and takes him out. Straight red the correct call.

4.Kickout!  Dromid player swingin his boot at DT player beore pushing him over.
Dromid number 8 aims a full force kick at a Derrytresk player. Last time I looked at the rule book you weren't allowed aim a full force kick at an opponent. Whether he connected or not is irrelevant. Straight red again.

5. Cynical trip-clip around the ankles that Dromid player puts his own hand up for.(At this stage DOS knows he's untouchable!)
Yellow card offence and a warning.

6. Dromid player goes in to 'do' McKee-both injured.
The most charitable you could be here is to say it was a badly mistimed tackle. Yellow card.

7. Sneaky Punch in face on ground.
As clear a red card offence as you'll see from Declan O'Sullivan.

I also have no idea where the diving accusations are coming from, unless people are talking about the Dromid player in Incident 6.

1.Bad tackle . Joe McKee is pushed+tripped by two Dromid players and springs up again.

2.Punch   Derrytresk player punched to the mid-riff with considerable force right in front of ref-O'Sullivan tries to pull this player up-what the hell was he at? Dromid player just booked(melee follows slightly after this)  None of the Derrytresk boys react.

3.Bad tackle  Hard to see but looks like DT player caught high.  Ref runs over and tells him to get up.

4.Kickout!  Dromid player swingin his boot at DT player beore pushing him over.

5. Cynical trip-clip around the ankles that Dromid player puts his own hand up for.(At this stage DOS knows he's untouchable!)

6. Dromid player goes in to 'do' McKee-both injured.

7. Sneaky Punch in face on ground.

Please explain the diving.  At no time is there any real reaction by DT players to these incidents. 

I thought there were at least three and probably four incidents in that clip that warranted red cards for Dromid Pearses players - namely incidents 2, 3, 7 and probably 4. I'd like to hear anybody tell me why all those incidents shouldn't have been red cards.

[Try it yourself sure]

Aye, thats why i said it was a good effort. It's close to being bang on but the fist is too far forward, the shoudler doesnt protract that far forward in a horziontal flexion/adduction range of movement. Try it yourself sure, reach as far as you can across your body with the torso in DOS position. No way a hand could be in that position unless you are a chimp....or michael phelps

I was able to do it pretty easily.

[Eh...whatever.]

I too would love to see everyone represent the place they're from, but its an amateur sport, and I think its more important that we dont cast aside players like johnson,

You think what happens to Seanie Johnston is more important than the rules of the GAA.

Eh...whatever.

What are you, a ten year old girl??!

For one thing, those rules dont matter a fcuk to the GAA and anyone on here when it matters, see the post re Kilkenny advertising for footballers, or consider the hurling lads actually encouraged to play for weaker counties.

For another, yes, I do think its important the GAA look after their players when considering the rules. Not much of an organisation if no-one takes part in its games.

Lastly, what rule is he currently breaking?  He invited you for tea, didnt he??

There seems to only be one ten year old girl on this thread and judging by your arguments it isn't too hard to guess who it is.

I too would love to see everyone represent the place they're from, but its an amateur sport, and I think its more important that we dont cast aside players like johnson,

You think what happens to Seanie Johnston is more important than the rules of the GAA.

Eh...whatever.

Whats that about johnsons move being solely about glory-hunting? I think the fact that he was told he wouldnt be playing for Cavan this year had a small part in it at least, do you not?

The last time I looked Seanie Johnston wasn't the manager of Cavan. If Val Andrews doesn't want to pick him, that's his decision. Nobody owes any player a game at inter-county level.

Eoin Kelly has been told he won't be playing for Waterford this year. Thankfully he hasn't suddenly decided he wants to play for Galway as a result. Same with Kevin Cassidy. He hasn't suddenly thrown in his lot with Mayo. It says an awful lot about somebody that they immediately throw their toys out of the pram like this. I wouldn't want somebody like that on my team.

I listened back to the interview with Cavan PRO Declan Woods from Off The Ball last night (about half way through the second hour) and thought Woods produced a very reasoned and sensible argument as to why the transfer shouldn't go through if the player cannot prove he is living in Kildare. McDevitt produced a couple of bizarre arguments about winter training and payments to managers that he hadn't thought through at all to try and twist things in his favour. Only he knew what relevance those arguments had.

When the interview was over McDevitt and Murphy back in the studio went on a mini-rant about how Cavan were just bitter and implying Johnston was being victimised, the two clearly being in favour of him transferring, although I could have guessed that by McDevitt's tone during the interview anyway. Thought it was pathetic from the two Newstalk lads to be honest. I'd say they're clearly angling for "the big interview" with Johnston if the transfer goes ahead. I've generally been a big fan of their coverage over the years but they were, way, way off the mark here.

Murphy in particular for such a self-professed GAA man seems to be in favour of a lot of things that would undermine its ethos. You can be sure that getting interviews rather than objective coverage is at the heart of that attitude.

McDevitt stated that "Cavan are clearly trying to make it as difficult as possible for this transfer to go through". Yeah, there's a bloody good reason why they are. It's because it directly contravenes both the rules and the spirit of everything the GAA is about. This is not a legitimate transfer like, say, Billy Joe Padden going to Armagh. If Johnston is living in Straffan, and every person in Ireland with any interest in the GAA at this stage knows that he's not, then it shouldn't be too difficult for him to prove it, should it? Or have the forged electricity bills not come through yet?

If the Johnston transfer is allowed, it might not "open the floodgates" but it might well come to be seen as a sort of landmark case. I don't remember a previous inter-county transfer that has been motivated solely by glory-hunting. Something like this will certainly help to damage the club and county ethos.

How anybody can take the view that Johnston should do anything else but fook off with his whinging and try and play his way back onto the Cavan panel is beyond me. This guy's a piss taker of the highest order and Kildare should be ashamed of their part of this too.

Johnston and Kildare are taking the piss. What exactly did Parkinson say that people object to? Johnston is clearly using a fake address to go gloryhunting. The whole thing is so transparent it's laughable. I sincerely hope he's told to go and feck off with himself.

Takes him a f**king LONG time to get there, but he has a point....
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0912/1224303944350.html

Anyone who thinks Dublins forwards are up there with Kerry's are a mile wide of the mark

Anybody who thought Armagh or Tyrone's forwards were up there with Kerry are a mile wide of the mark.

Looks like Kerry have started the celebrations early, can't see Dublin getting near them myself.