Money, Dublin and the GAA

[Rossfan]

15 of the last 16 Leinsters
8 of the last 10 AIs. Last 3 Finals won with comfort.

[sid waddell]

There's hardly going to be a link to a quiet word in a corridor

Have you evidence of this? Thought not 🤣🤣🤣

Are you saying that all Dublin home games in the Leinster Championship and the extra home game in the super 8 are all a coincidence.

Is it that Dublin are picked first out of the hat when the draw is made and get home venue?

Or are County boards promised extra revenue for letting Dublin have home games?

The stats support the 'facts'.
From 1993 to 2016, Dublin played one game away v Longford and scrambled a 2 point win.
The Leinster draw is GAAmandered.

It was the other Leinster counties who voted to have Dublin play in Croke Park for two decades

So blame them

I think that's the point.  Why would they have voted for something that gives their own county a competitive disadvantage?

Because they wanted to maximise the money the Dublin team could bring in order to benefit their own counties at grass roots level

So there we have it. The Dublin money power buys all the advantages year in year out. Weaker counties who have no hope of success are better served to take the money for their county. Where they play Dublin makes no difference. They'll lose anyway.

The whole thing is really funny at this stage. Thank god I don't waste my time and money going to inter-county matches anymore. Can't think of a monopoly like this in any other sport? And more and more will vote the same as time goes on as there are virtually no challengers to Dublin in inter-county presently.

Other counties wanted the money

That's not Dublin's fault

It's the fault of the other counties

If can't think of a run of success like Dublin's in any other sport, you don't watch any other sport

[Baile Brigín 2]

There's hardly going to be a link to a quiet word in a corridor

Have you evidence of this? Thought not 🤣🤣🤣

Are you saying that all Dublin home games in the Leinster Championship and the extra home game in the super 8 are all a coincidence.

Is it that Dublin are picked first out of the hat when the draw is made and get home venue?

Or are County boards promised extra revenue for letting Dublin have home games?

The stats support the 'facts'.
From 1993 to 2016, Dublin played one game away v Longford and scrambled a 2 point win.
The Leinster draw is GAAmandered.

It was the other Leinster counties who voted to have Dublin play in Croke Park for two decades

So blame them

I think that's the point.  Why would they have voted for something that gives their own county a competitive disadvantage?

Because they wanted to maximise the money the Dublin team could bring in order to benefit their own counties at grass roots level

So there we have it. The Dublin money power buys all the advantages year in year out. Weaker counties who have no hope of success are better served to take the money for their county. Where they play Dublin makes no difference. They'll lose anyway.

The whole thing is really funny at this stage. Thank god I don't waste my time and money going to inter-county matches anymore. Can't think of a monopoly like this in any other sport? And more and more will vote the same as time goes on as there are virtually no challengers to Dublin in inter-county presently.

Really?

Lets start with wendyball

https://www.balls.ie/football/these-are-the-longest-title-winning-runs-in-european-football-460327

[From the Bunker]

There's hardly going to be a link to a quiet word in a corridor

Have you evidence of this? Thought not 🤣🤣🤣

Are you saying that all Dublin home games in the Leinster Championship and the extra home game in the super 8 are all a coincidence.

Is it that Dublin are picked first out of the hat when the draw is made and get home venue?

Or are County boards promised extra revenue for letting Dublin have home games?

The stats support the 'facts'.
From 1993 to 2016, Dublin played one game away v Longford and scrambled a 2 point win.
The Leinster draw is GAAmandered.

It was the other Leinster counties who voted to have Dublin play in Croke Park for two decades

So blame them

I think that's the point.  Why would they have voted for something that gives their own county a competitive disadvantage?

Because they wanted to maximise the money the Dublin team could bring in order to benefit their own counties at grass roots level

So there we have it. The Dublin money power buys all the advantages year in year out. Weaker counties who have no hope of success are better served to take the money for their county. Where they play Dublin makes no difference. They'll lose anyway.

The whole thing is really funny at this stage. Thank god I don't waste my time and money going to inter-county matches anymore. Can't think of a monopoly like this in any other sport? And more and more will vote the same as time goes on as there are virtually no challengers to Dublin in inter-county presently.

Other counties wanted the money

That's not Dublin's fault

It's the fault of the other counties

If can't think of a run of success like Dublin's in any other sport, you don't watch any other sport

Never said it was Dublin's fault. And when I talk about monopoly it's not just about winning - it's about how the competition is levered to them winning. There seems to be always an advantage. Always a hill for the opposition to climb.

[Tubberman]

There's hardly going to be a link to a quiet word in a corridor

Have you evidence of this? Thought not 🤣🤣🤣

Are you saying that all Dublin home games in the Leinster Championship and the extra home game in the super 8 are all a coincidence.

Is it that Dublin are picked first out of the hat when the draw is made and get home venue?

Or are County boards promised extra revenue for letting Dublin have home games?

The stats support the 'facts'.
From 1993 to 2016, Dublin played one game away v Longford and scrambled a 2 point win.
The Leinster draw is GAAmandered.

It was the other Leinster counties who voted to have Dublin play in Croke Park for two decades

So blame them

I think that's the point.  Why would they have voted for something that gives their own county a competitive disadvantage?

Because they wanted to maximise the money the Dublin team could bring in order to benefit their own counties at grass roots level

Well then surely the system is broken if counties vote to disadvantage themselves as the only way of securing necessary funding?

[sid waddell]

There's hardly going to be a link to a quiet word in a corridor

Have you evidence of this? Thought not 🤣🤣🤣

Are you saying that all Dublin home games in the Leinster Championship and the extra home game in the super 8 are all a coincidence.

Is it that Dublin are picked first out of the hat when the draw is made and get home venue?

Or are County boards promised extra revenue for letting Dublin have home games?

The stats support the 'facts'.
From 1993 to 2016, Dublin played one game away v Longford and scrambled a 2 point win.
The Leinster draw is GAAmandered.

It was the other Leinster counties who voted to have Dublin play in Croke Park for two decades

So blame them

I think that's the point.  Why would they have voted for something that gives their own county a competitive disadvantage?

Because they wanted to maximise the money the Dublin team could bring in order to benefit their own counties at grass roots level

Well then surely the system is broken if counties vote to disadvantage themselves as the only way of securing necessary funding?

They didn't feel they were disadvantaging themselves, they were focussed on bringing as much money into their counties as possible, which is quite fair

It probably did give Dublin somewhat of an advantage in terms of venue

But Laois and Westmeath didn't have a problem beating Dublin in Croke Park in 2003 and 2004, Tyrone didn't have a problem in '05 and '08

Dublin played all their Leinster Championship matches from 1996 to 2015 inclusive in Croke Park, bar one

Playing League matches there from 2011 on likely had a much bigger impact, before 2011 Dublin might have only played one more match in Croke Park than the team they were playing in a Leinster semi-final or final, they might even have played the same amount of matches in Croke Park that year up to then

From 2011 on that changed - say when Dublin played Laois in the Leinster first round in 2011, Dublin had already played five matches in Croke Park that year, Laois had played none

Whereas in 2010, Dublin's Leinster first round against Wexford was their first match at Croke Park since being trounced by Kerry the previous August, and they very nearly lost

[Tubberman]

There's hardly going to be a link to a quiet word in a corridor

Have you evidence of this? Thought not 🤣🤣🤣

Are you saying that all Dublin home games in the Leinster Championship and the extra home game in the super 8 are all a coincidence.

Is it that Dublin are picked first out of the hat when the draw is made and get home venue?

Or are County boards promised extra revenue for letting Dublin have home games?

The stats support the 'facts'.
From 1993 to 2016, Dublin played one game away v Longford and scrambled a 2 point win.
The Leinster draw is GAAmandered.

It was the other Leinster counties who voted to have Dublin play in Croke Park for two decades

So blame them

I think that's the point.  Why would they have voted for something that gives their own county a competitive disadvantage?

Because they wanted to maximise the money the Dublin team could bring in order to benefit their own counties at grass roots level

Well then surely the system is broken if counties vote to disadvantage themselves as the only way of securing necessary funding?

They didn't feel they were disadvantaging themselves, they were focussed on bringing as much money into their counties as possible, which is quite fair

It probably did give Dublin somewhat of an advantage in terms of venue

But Laois and Westmeath didn't have a problem beating Dublin in Croke Park in 2003 and 2004, Tyrone didn't have a problem in '05 and '08

Dublin played all their Leinster Championship matches from 1996 to 2015 inclusive in Croke Park, bar one

Playing League matches there from 2011 on likely had a much bigger impact, before 2011 Dublin might have only played one more match in Croke Park than the team they were playing in a Leinster semi-final or final, they might even have played the same amount of matches in Croke Park that year up to then

From 2011 on that changed - say when Dublin played Laois in the Leinster first round in 2011, Dublin had already played five matches in Croke Park that year, Laois had played none

Whereas in 2010, Dublin's Leinster first round against Wexford was their first match at Croke Park since being trounced by Kerry the previous August, and they very nearly lost

Are you really reaching back to a game in 2003 to make your argument? That's 18 years ago. Nobody playing then is still playing the game (bar maybe Ross Munnelly which is incredible). There are Dublin All-Ireland winners who were probably still in nappies back then.
Leaving that aside, you still haven't addressed the point that the system is broken if counties are choosing to give their competitor permanent home advantage.
I don't see how that can be portrayed as a fair or reasonable structure for a competition.

[sid waddell]

There's hardly going to be a link to a quiet word in a corridor

Have you evidence of this? Thought not 🤣🤣🤣

Are you saying that all Dublin home games in the Leinster Championship and the extra home game in the super 8 are all a coincidence.

Is it that Dublin are picked first out of the hat when the draw is made and get home venue?

Or are County boards promised extra revenue for letting Dublin have home games?

The stats support the 'facts'.
From 1993 to 2016, Dublin played one game away v Longford and scrambled a 2 point win.
The Leinster draw is GAAmandered.

It was the other Leinster counties who voted to have Dublin play in Croke Park for two decades

So blame them

I think that's the point.  Why would they have voted for something that gives their own county a competitive disadvantage?

Because they wanted to maximise the money the Dublin team could bring in order to benefit their own counties at grass roots level

Well then surely the system is broken if counties vote to disadvantage themselves as the only way of securing necessary funding?

They didn't feel they were disadvantaging themselves, they were focussed on bringing as much money into their counties as possible, which is quite fair

It probably did give Dublin somewhat of an advantage in terms of venue

But Laois and Westmeath didn't have a problem beating Dublin in Croke Park in 2003 and 2004, Tyrone didn't have a problem in '05 and '08

Dublin played all their Leinster Championship matches from 1996 to 2015 inclusive in Croke Park, bar one

Playing League matches there from 2011 on likely had a much bigger impact, before 2011 Dublin might have only played one more match in Croke Park than the team they were playing in a Leinster semi-final or final, they might even have played the same amount of matches in Croke Park that year up to then

From 2011 on that changed - say when Dublin played Laois in the Leinster first round in 2011, Dublin had already played five matches in Croke Park that year, Laois had played none

Whereas in 2010, Dublin's Leinster first round against Wexford was their first match at Croke Park since being trounced by Kerry the previous August, and they very nearly lost

Are you really reaching back to a game in 2003 to make your argument? That's 18 years ago. Nobody playing then is still playing the game (bar maybe Ross Munnelly which is incredible). There are Dublin All-Ireland winners who were probably still in nappies back then.
Leaving that aside, you still haven't addressed the point that the system is broken if counties are choosing to give their competitor permanent home advantage.
I don't see how that can be portrayed as a fair or reasonable structure for a competition.

I'm saying that if you're looking for a point where Dublin playing considerably more in Croke Park than other Leinster teams did become an advantage, you go back to the point where Dublin started playing considerably more in Croke Park than other Leinster teams

Which was 2011

Before that Dublin did not play considerably more in Croke Park than other Leinster teams because they didn't play their league games there

Say in 2000 when Dublin played Kildare in the drawn Leinster final, that was Kildare's fourth game in Croke Park that year, it was Dublin's third

The venue advantage was not there because Kildare were just as famiiar and more with Croke Park as Dublin were

[sid waddell]

In 2006, the Leinster final was Offaly fourth game of the year in Croke Park

It was Dubin's second

So you could say Offaly actually had the venue advantage, being more familiar with Croke Park that year up to then than Dublin were

[Rossfan]

What's with all the blather about 2003 and 2006?
Why not go back to 1906 while you're at it.

I see new Uachtarán Larry McCarthy is going to take the strategic document "Towards 2034" off the shelf where it was hidden in 2018.
Would I be right in suspecting it proposed addressing the Dublin situation but was buried by then Uachtarán Tofa Horan?

[macker15]

What's with all the blather about 2003 and 2006?
Why not go back to 1906 while you're at it.

I see new Uachtarán Larry McCarthy is going to take the strategic document "Towards 2034" off the shelf where it was hidden in 2018.
Would I be right in suspecting it proposed addressing the Dublin situation but was buried by then Uachtarán Tofa Horan?

Where do you come with this nonsense? I thought the schools were back open? A president doesn't have the power to bury issues as serious as that.

[Rossfan]

Who buried it so?
And why?

[macker15]

Who buried it so?
And why?

Why don't you ask your club delegate to investigate rather than making assumptions online which you have form for. 

[Lar Naparka]

What's with all the blather about 2003 and 2006?
Why not go back to 1906 while you're at it.

I see new Uachtarán Larry McCarthy is going to take the strategic document "Towards 2034" off the shelf where it was hidden in 2018.
Would I be right in suspecting it proposed addressing the Dublin situation but was buried by then Uachtarán Tofa Horan?

Because, my good friend, that was the time the race to the bottom began and is still steadily gathering speed.
In the decade leading up to 2005, a total of 6 counties won the Leinster championship - a total of six out of twelve ain't bad by any reasonable standard.
Then in 2005, Dublin were the winners and with the exception of 2010, when Meath robbed Louth, the Dubs have been winners ever since. Why this amazing improvement in Dublin's form and the total collapse of any worthwhile challenge from any other Leinster county?
Damned if I know because it can't be money, can it?
The fact that the Sports Council began subventing money to the Dublin County Board around 2005 must be purely coincidental as John Horan, Padraig Duffy, Paddy Teehan and Uncle Tom Cobley and all keep telling us and all of these gobshites hardworking, dedicated servants for the cause must know what they are talking about.
Either that or I am missing something...

[Rossfan]

Who buried it so?
And why?

Why don't you ask your club delegate to investigate rather than making assumptions online which you have form for.

OK John, where should she investigate?