Money, Dublin and the GAA

[Tubberman]

A lovely humble guy

[lenny]

Well I'll just leave this here.

Dublin are role models for Irish life'
   
Saturday, September 08, 2018

By John Fogarty

Seven years ago three-time All-Ireland winner David Hickey, then a Dublin selector, told friends his county would become the first team to complete the illustrious five in a row. Undaunted by the defeats to Mayo and Donegal in 2012 and 2014 respectively, he repeated those claims as one of their team doctors two years ago. Now as a supporter, his joy is unbridled seeing the team on the cusp of that achievement.

"I'm not saying we are going to win for 10 years but I think Dublin are in a position now to compete in the last four for the next 10 years."

David Hickey, September 2011

"Mark my words, kiddo, we're gonna win five in a row."

David Hickey, April 2013

"I've seen them develop and from the very start, 2010 on, these guys were going to be around for a long time. I expected them to do the five in a row back then (2011) and in some ways they could have been going for six in a row now with a bit of luck. They are a special group of players."

David Hickey, August 2016
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On a sticky Dubai night last Sunday evening, Dr David Hickey took to a bar to watch his beloved Dublin take a step closer to his prophecy.

Dubai has been his home for the last couple of years. In June 2016, he performed the first successful organ transplant in the United Arab Emirates, helping an Emirati mother who had kidney failure due to diabetes.

World-renowned as a transplant surgeon, Hickey is enjoying the Middle East life as he did the Cuban one but this is not an interview about medicine. It's obviously about Dublin, his Dublin, but the GAA too.

Work precluded him from returning home for the final but then a lot of what is going on around him in Dubai echoes of Ireland. The proliferation of GAA clubs in the UAE thrills him.

"The GAA are the true Irish embassy abroad," he declares.

"There are 20,000 Irish here. The GAA clubs help people find jobs, help find them accommodation, help them settle and generate the community spirit.

"They do this around the world. The GAA could never be reimbursed by the Irish government for what they do for the young people who were forced to or chose to leave Ireland."

So when the GAA got it in the neck for not initially agreeing to host the Liam Miller charity game in Páirc Uí Chaoimh, he was miffed. When he read of Government ministers leaning heavy on Croke Park to allow it to go ahead there, he was angry.

"That's f**king bullshit. If the GAA sent a bill to the Government for the amount of social work it does in Ireland and abroad, helping to keep kids out of jail, off drugs, whatever, the bill would far surpass that stadium in Cork."

With Hickey, it's not fury that colours his words but passion. As a lifesaver, his moral compass doesn't falter. His love of life is pretty unwavering too, particularly when his county are flying so high. Four days after the win over Tyrone, and he is still glowing.

"The pub was full of Tyrone people but at half-time they all left.

"They knew it was inevitable. Had Tyrone sustained what they showed in the first 15 minutes for 80 minutes, and Dublin kept playing the way they were playing, Tyrone might have had a chance.

"It was easy compared to the last few years.

"I think Dublin are unbeatable. You can play them anyway you want and they'll come up with a plan to counter you, beat you and they can do it on the field."

"They are very efficient sizing up a team themselves as the game is going on. They are totally impervious to any tactics like sledging or cynical stuff. They don't let that sort of shit get to them. It's a waste of time deploying that against them."

A message from Ollie Campbell after the game prolonged Hickey's grin.

"He texted me from the States to say that he felt like he was watching the All Blacks."

Hickey knows where the Ireland rugby great is coming from — and it's not just the sweeping the sheds policy the groups share (journalists can't forget Jack McCaffrey searching in vain for a brush before finding one to clean the team's Portlaoise dressing room against Carlow last year). Both are practising domination.

Last week, Mick O'Dwyer said comparing teams from different eras was impossible but mentioned that Dublin first had to emulate his Kerry team of 1978-81 before any analysis could be done.

For Hickey, there is no comparison.

"There can be no debate anymore — this Dublin team is the greatest team of all time. Kerry in 1980 played one match before an All-Ireland semi-final and the game before that All-Ireland semi-final wasn't up to much either. In three games, they were the All-Ireland champions. They didn't win too many leagues but this Dublin team have won virtually every game they have played.

"If there was a competition in Ballymac-whatever-it-is, these guys would turn out and put in their best performance. They never go out just to fulfil the fixture. They put on the Dublin jersey and transform into whatever you like. They bring every quality that a top-class sports team in any field bring." '

Keeping a Blue head' is an All Blacks term for clarity that would appeal to Dublin for obvious reasons. But then "Better People Make Better All Blacks" and "No d**kheads" would too.

Hickey can testify to that having seen the last two managers at work.

"Both Pat Gilroy and Jim Gavin deserve so much credit for recognising the human qualities in the players that are key reasons behind their success. These players are modest people, there is no showboating, there is no triumphalism and they are respectful of everyone from Carlow up to Kerry. They all get the same respect and when a team adopts that attitude, they are very hard to beat."

You can almost imagine his chest swelling as he speaks of his Raheny clubmen.

"They're sensational footballers and incredibly nice guys as well. They have everything. Brian Howard and Brian Fenton, they could play any sport they want and they would be world class in it but the fact is they decided to play football for Dublin. They're a pleasure to meet. You wouldn't know Fenton has never lost a championship game or has four All-Irelands if you met him on the street."

It's quite the departure from 16 years ago when the Dublin team aimed to make the most of its size and what made the capital different to the rest of the country as opposed to what made it better.

"Tommy Lyons brought a lot of bullshit into the thing with flair, humiliating the opposition, playing to the Hill. Pillar (Caffrey) tried to get rid of a bit of that but Pat Gilroy came in and he got rid of that all in one swoop and it has continued to this day under Jim.

"When they select fellas for the panel the character of the player is as important to them as their football ability. Football ability is not enough."

Ask Hickey about his grand pronunciations about how he envisaged the decade going for Dublin and all he does is remark that it was there for anyone in his position to see. The love he had for wearing the blue and navy was matched by the current group and it was complemented by the commitment.

"Playing for Dublin was the important thing in my life and I knew from the talent that was there they were going to win an All-Ireland and I wanted to be a part of it. And I got to know them better and suddenly I realised they were going to win a lot of All-Irelands.

"With a bit of luck, they'd have won in 2012 and '14 and could be going for eight in a row. In 2010, they were fairly unlucky against Cork. We were robbed against Mayo in 2012 and walked into a sucker punch against Donegal in 2014 but I tell you what, Jim Gavin and his backroom team learned from 2014 and the evolution of their football now is thanks to Donegal."



Who will be next to beat Dublin in Championship is quite the puzzler when so many seem to be coming up short too many times or in need of urgent repairs. Hickey's pick is a slightly surprising one.

"I was impressed by Kildare this year, not Kerry. They have some very good footballers and if they get their heads right — they've won a lot of underage stuff — they could be the biggest challengers to Dublin over the next five years. I like the way they play football, I always liked the way they play football — and I think they could be the biggest challenge.

"Second-rate teams don't have the interest and commitment (that Dublin) do.

"Mayo in many ways is a small place. Their players are everywhere from Galway to Dublin to home. They have had the balls to try and beat Dublin fair and square. At times, they were unfair but they had a plan to try and execute it. While I don't believe they were unlucky to lose any of those All-Irelands — in fact, I think they were lucky to have lost by as little as they did because Dublin were significantly better than them. Dean Rock's point last year was a blessing to Mayo because they would have been decimated in extra-time.

"If Donegal and Mayo can go and beat Dublin then there's no reason why Kerry or Cork can't do it but they need to be putting everything into it. It means the total cooperation of the county board, a group of players who get on well together and who'd live and die for each other on and off the field. That's what we have in Dublin and it shouldn't be damned into insignificance because of this and that."

What Hickey is getting at is the sniping at Dublin after this latest success and those of the previous three years because of their population and funding largesses. When he hears Colm O'Rourke beat the drum to split Dublin, he says O'Rourke look at what his own county can do to bridge the gap rather than haul Dublin back towards them.

"The thing about that whole attitude is these guys are winning because they're better than everyone else. It's a pity about the attitude to Dublin city. It is begrudgery. Colm could do something about it by getting more lads interesting in playing for Meath and doing what it takes to get to the top. Going to training at 6am, going back in the evening to do weights in the gym. Cancelling holidays. Cancelling girlfriends. Giving up alcohol, comfort food. This Dublin team have made the sacrifices.

"In the 1970s when we were going well, they got rid of the handpass because they wanted to reduce a strength of our team. They didn't do the same to anybody else.

"So now I would tell anyone thinking like that now to f**k off. Nobody spoke of splitting Barcelona, Real Madrid or Manchester United when they have been successful."

The son of a Doneraile man and a Knocklong woman, Hickey doesn't want to knock country people but he identifies a lot of begrudgery towards Dublin. The funding argument laid against Gavin's side he finds is tenuous when tradition is a big factor elsewhere and the distractions aren't as pronounced.

"There's probably more footballers in Kerry than in Dublin. There is nothing else but football in Kerry and nothing else but hurling in Kilkenny. In Dublin, there is soccer, rugby, basketball, hockey, baseball, dancing, swimming.

"That aside, there are 30 fellas there in the Dublin panel and Eoghan O'Gara would be on any other team in the country. He has been in and out of the Dublin team since 2010 and every time he comes in he makes an impact. He didn't get to play in the final this year and yet he would have turned up in the A versus B games as if his life depended on it. I can tell you the full-back line of Dublin benefitted immensely from Eoghan turning up and performing in those practice matches every Saturday afternoon.

"There's Kevin McManamon, Paul Flynn, Michael Darragh Macauley, Bernard Brogan... all these fellas didn't bitch or moan when they lost their spots. A new breed is there and settled into the team but there is such a culture of oneness.

"They are a model not just for sports teams but for business teams, for politicians, for everyone. They are role models for Irish life."

What would Kevin Heffernan think of it all?

"He'd be jealous he's not running it. He was happy enough with our team but he'd like to be Jim Gavin now. This didn't happen overnight. It took 16 years to win the first All-Ireland this decade and it went through a few set of hands like Pillar Caffrey's. Dublin went to the grassroots and they made Gaelic football accessible and they made Gaelic football attractive and they made it fair for young people, which soccer isn't.

"Soccer exploits young people, Gaelic football tries to develop them."

Great interview. That humility of gavin and the dubs players is why most neutrals were delighted to see them stuff tyrone in this years final. They are a real down to earth group who come across really well in their post match interviews.

[tonto1888]

Where are those figures from?

[larryin89]

A lovely humble guy

+1 , really humble . Hickey was involved up till last year ?  His personality shows the REAL down to earth humility of this Dublin team .

[Rossfan]

What's that about getting rid of the handpass in the 1970s?
I could have sworn it's still ruining the game!

[From the Bunker]

What's that about getting rid of the handpass in the 1970s?
I could have sworn it's still ruining the game!

The Handpass goal was got rid of in the '70's because Mick O'Dwyer found a player call Eoin 'Bomber' Liston who could catch 90% of balls kicked into the full forward line - all he had to do was turn around and ''Throw'' (for want of a better word) the ball into the goal.

If anything the rule was brought in to give Dublin a chance to beat Kerry!

[From the Bunker]

As for the David Hickey article. It's written by a former player, a Dub, and a fan. He's a happy camper. He does not care by what means Dublin are dominating Football. If he does know he's not going to tell a National paper or even acknowledge it. I don't know why this was put in this stream as it gives little or no back up to Dublins success in relation to how money is making a difference.

It's just an article cheer leading to the Dublin fan. An article to sell papers in the Capital.

[manfromdelmonte]

Yep

Connolly and Cooper
Great role models there

[Gael85]

A lovely humble guy

+1 , really humble . Hickey was involved up till last year ?  His personality shows the REAL down to earth humility of this Dublin team .

He was selector under Pat Gilroy and stayed on as team doctor under Jim Gavin. Think he was involved until 2014. Don't think his health is the best. Was a great interview with him in Sunday Independent the time of 2015 final.

[Jinxy]

Ewan's latest stuff on twitter is... interesting.
Think he needs to take a break for a bit.

[Farrandeelin]

As for the David Hickey article. It's written by a former player, a Dub, and a fan. He's a happy camper. He does not care by what means Dublin are dominating Football. If he does know he's not going to tell a National paper or even acknowledge it. I don't know why this was put in this stream as it gives little or no back up to Dublins success in relation to how money is making a difference.

It's just an article cheer leading to the Dublin fan. An article to sell papers in the Capital.

As ballinaman said, Dubs won't give a shit so long as they're winning 17 out of every 20 championships.

[larryin89]

Pretty sure he was there with them until 2016 at least .

[Dinny Breen]

Ewan's latest stuff on twitter is... interesting.
Think he needs to take a break for a bit.

The Dublin PR machine is gone into overdrive bringing out all sorts on Twitter. He is getting awful abuse, his position has become entrenched but he still tries to engage. For his own well being he should step away, recharge his batteries, this is only going to escalate as Dublin have commissioned the hypocrite Brolly to write a piece.

The worst bit of guff was from Eamon McGee, some lads should be allowed near a phone.

[Blowitupref]

What's that about getting rid of the handpass in the 1970s?
I could have sworn it's still ruining the game!

I read that Dublin last Sunday had 244 passes against Tyrone with only 54 of them were kickpasses. Between the two teams they only had 10 contestable balls kicked out around the middle in the entire game. A very different and more cautious game now from the one most of us grew up watching. 

[larryin89]

Ewan's latest stuff on twitter is... interesting.
Think he needs to take a break for a bit.

The Dublin PR machine is gone into overdrive bringing out all sorts on Twitter. He is getting awful abuse, his position has become entrenched but he still tries to engage. For his own well being he should step away, recharge his batteries, this is only going to escalate as Dublin have commissioned the hypocrite Brolly to write a piece.

The worst bit of guff was from Eamon McGee, some lads should be allowed near a phone.

The Dublin PR machine is all very defensive mode . Does make you wonder is it all sitting well with them at all.