Things that make you go What the F**k?

[Kidder81]

What are the Roman and Slovak gypsies fleeing that are now here in their thousands? Contributing zero

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It isn't racist to say that too much immigration is undesirable when there is a shortage of houses, people are on trolleys etc.
Immigrants are like traffic, driving to visit your granny is a good thing but it does not mean that too many cars does not mean traffic jams.

Shortages in housing and hospital beds has nothing to do with immigration and everything to do with a government failing the people. Blaming these issues on immigrations exonerates those who should be doing their jobs better. It's a lazy stereotype.

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What are the Roman and Slovak gypsies fleeing that are now here in their thousands? Contributing zero

I'm don't know what they are contributing. But they are here (Ireland) legally. Perk of EU membership.
Plenty of Irish and Brits contribute very little. Probably should deport them to.

[Armagh18]

What are the Roman and Slovak gypsies fleeing that are now here in their thousands? Contributing zero

I'm don't know what they are contributing. But they are here (Ireland) legally. Perk of EU membership.
Plenty of Irish and Brits contribute very little. Probably should deport them to.

I'm up for that. Start with Tyrone

[johnnycool]

Didn't know which thread to put it in !!

Some asylum seekers who cross the Channel to the UK will be given a one-way ticket to Rwanda, under new government plans.

The trial will involve mostly single men arriving on boats or lorries.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson said the £120m scheme would "save countless lives" from human trafficking.

Refugee organisations have criticised the plan as cruel, questioned its cost and efficacy, and raised concerns about Rwanda's human rights record.

In a speech in Kent, Mr Johnson argued action was needed to stop "vile people smugglers" turning the ocean into a "watery graveyard", adding the "humane and compassionate" plan was designed to break their business model.

He said he wanted to make clear to people arriving on the Kent coast they were better off taking legal routes and that the new plan would "over time prove a very considerable deterrent".

It reads like a joke but it will actually work to prevent asylum seekers crossing the channel. Why would you cross the channel in a dingy if you know the prize on the other side is a one way ticket to Rwanda. They're essentially jailing asylum seekers in Rwanda and whilst that is obviously unpalatable, it is likely to be a strong deterrent. They'll actually end up sending very few people to Rwanda if this is successful.

The biggest threat is from the UK supreme court

Agreed. Either go the legal way or stay in France.

Why would you want to prevent someone fleeing their home from coming to a safe haven? It's an extremely cruel policy and typical of this Conservative government. It is deliberately timed to take the heat off Johnson and Sunak. They care not a jot about anyone bar themselves and their entitled mates.

The argument about fleeing from a war doesn't wash though, it's not as though France is a warzone. Although I agree with the rest of what you're saying!

Many of those trying to get to the UK from France are fleeing wars in Africa and Asia.
White Ukrainians? Oh come on ahead! (Kind of We'll still make it difficult)
Black Africans? Its off to a concentration camp in Rwanda!

This is pure racism. And many fascist regimes have started in a similar manner. It's doesn't just happen overnight, but lots of tiny subtle changes overtime until it is too late. Johnson and his cronies have no respect for the rule of law or common decency.

The Germans evidently made a conscious decision to encourage immigration to their country as they've an aging population and workplace demands that they can't meet.
It hasn't been without it's problems either to be fair but they take in multiples more refugees and immigrants than the UK

The Brits have the same issues but they're just too racist to realise it.

There'll be lots more crops rot in the fields and livestock culled in the UK due to labour shortages this year as well as lack of employees in pubs, hotels and the likes.

It isn't racist to say that too much immigration is undesirable when there is a shortage of houses, people are on trolleys etc.
Immigrants are like traffic, driving to visit your granny is a good thing but it does not mean that too many cars does not mean traffic jams.

It's a known fact the immigrants are normally a positive to an economy as they're normally younger and are more likely to be treating you in the hospital than being treated themselves..

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/economics/about-department/fiscal-effects-immigration-uk

[imtommygunn]

It isn't racist to say that too much immigration is undesirable when there is a shortage of houses, people are on trolleys etc.
Immigrants are like traffic, driving to visit your granny is a good thing but it does not mean that too many cars does not mean traffic jams.

Shortages in housing and hospital beds has nothing to do with immigration and everything to do with a government failing the people. Blaming these issues on immigrations exonerates those who should be doing their jobs better. It's a lazy stereotype.

Shortages in hospital staff has a lot to do with immigration 

[Milltown Row2]

It isn't racist to say that too much immigration is undesirable when there is a shortage of houses, people are on trolleys etc.
Immigrants are like traffic, driving to visit your granny is a good thing but it does not mean that too many cars does not mean traffic jams.

Shortages in housing and hospital beds has nothing to do with immigration and everything to do with a government failing the people. Blaming these issues on immigrations exonerates those who should be doing their jobs better. It's a lazy stereotype.

Shortages in hospital staff has a lot to do with immigration 

But sure there must have been a plan to cover those shortages with all the local hardworking highly motivated skilled workforce? No 

[Kidder81]

What are the Roman and Slovak gypsies fleeing that are now here in their thousands? Contributing zero

I'm don't know what they are contributing. But they are here (Ireland) legally. Perk of EU membership.
Plenty of Irish and Brits contribute very little. Probably should deport them to.

No you have proven my point, we have enough of our own layabouts to worry about

[Armagh18]

What are the Roman and Slovak gypsies fleeing that are now here in their thousands? Contributing zero

I'm don't know what they are contributing. But they are here (Ireland) legally. Perk of EU membership.
Plenty of Irish and Brits contribute very little. Probably should deport them to.

No you have proven my point, we have enough of our own layabouts to worry about

Plenty of our own layabouts is right and also import plenty more layabouts (call me racist if you want but it's true). Equally though and again from personal experience there are people who've emigrated to here and are among the most hard working, friendly and decent people I know

[imtommygunn]

The Roman gypsies aren't wanted in their own country  I don't know anything about the slovak ones. Tbh they are generally an exception. NHS backboned by immigrants and it will now be one of many, many, reasons it will struggle with this immigration strategy.

[Armagh Girl]

Well perhaps if the Benefit System in the UK not as generous and appealing they wouldn't be trying to get in.  When you can get £1400 a month as a single person to lie in your bed and not have to pay or worry about your Mortgage, Rates, etc and your Rent also paid for you, sure why wouldn't you want to get into UK, whilst the rest of us who are working, and have always worked pay for it! I agree with others it isn't just the Foreign Nationals that are not contributing.....there are plenty of Irish and Brits that have never contributed either. 

[Kidder81]

The Roman gypsies aren't wanted in their own country  I don't know anything about the slovak ones. Tbh they are generally an exception. NHS backboned by immigrants and it will now be one of many, many, reasons it will struggle with this immigration strategy.

You won't be able to tell the Slovak and Roman gypsies apart

[Ed Ricketts]

Well perhaps if the Benefit System in the UK not as generous and appealing they wouldn't be trying to get in.  When you can get £1400 a month as a single person to lie in your bed and not have to pay or worry about your Mortgage, Rates, etc and your Rent also paid for you, sure why wouldn't you want to get into UK, whilst the rest of us who are working, and have always worked pay for it! I agree with others it isn't just the Foreign Nationals that are not contributing.....there are plenty of Irish and Brits that have never contributed either.

Is that accurate?

[armaghniac]

Shortages in housing and hospital beds has nothing to do with immigration and everything to do with a government failing the people. Blaming these issues on immigrations exonerates those who should be doing their jobs better. It's a lazy stereotype.

It is ridiculous to say that an increase in people has nothing to do with housing shortages. That is one thing that characterises this debate, ridiculous blanket statements one way or the other.

[Armagh18]

Shortages in housing and hospital beds has nothing to do with immigration and everything to do with a government failing the people. Blaming these issues on immigrations exonerates those who should be doing their jobs better. It's a lazy stereotype.

It is ridiculous to say that an increase in people has nothing to do with housing shortages. That is one thing that characterises this debate, ridiculous blanket statements one way or the other.

How much of  the increase in people is due to immigration though?