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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=84qWb8i_Q_A

Cac bó ar bharr ardáin.

[there needs to be an inquiry into the spread of the virus in hospitals and nursing homes.]

When you let it spread widely in the community it's probably virtually impossible to keep it out of hospitals. And once people are in hospitals in a busy indoor environment it's going to spread. The best way to keep it out of the hospitals is to reduce spread in the community through various measures including lockdown type laws when necessary.

And people shouldn't be losing their lives too soon whether they're 60 or 30. A 65 year old could have 15 good years left to spend with their family and enjoy their retirement etc. Their life isn't any less valuable than anyone else's.

Of course but you are neglecting and deflecting away from the fact of the spread in hospitals. There are no excuses for that, it's a scandal and has cost lives but hey it's easier to put the blame on the people.

Its chicken and egg thing

I haven't read a post or anything from anyone outside of the government that hasn't said there needs to be an inquiry into the spread of the virus in hospitals and nursing homes.

This seems to be your new depression, 17/18 flu drum at the minute

You catch covid and bring covid into the hospital, then others catch it... pretty straight forward I'd have thought.. Reduce covid in the community will reduce covid in the hospitals and nursing homes..

Everyone is in agreement that the 18% extra transmissions of covid in these areas is a scandal that really needs looking into.

How do you think it should be reduced in the hospitals? just let them die in the street?

You're trying to excuse the level of transmission in hospitals. It's utterly scandalous, there is no excusing it.

Why have we not consigned specialist hospitals to deal solely with Covid? Why is pretty much every hosptial we have is seeing Covid patients and Covid wards in them? Surely this only serves to expose and increase the risk of patients contracting Covid. These are issues which should have been addressed long ago.

I'm not excusing it, the bit in bold in my post.

The nightinggale hospitals should have been used, strictly for covid or ordinary patients, no both.

You said there is no excuse for it... I've asked you how it would be reduced? you haven't answered.

You still have the problem of, porters. nurses, cleaners, doctors and admin staff that would be in contact in all of these places, who through no fault of their own, bring with them the virus into a 'clean' hospital.

I'm not arguing with you but again you haven't put up a solution that would stop the virus (which I think is impossible) spreading in a hospital

I have answered on ways we could have tried to reduce it, instead nothing was done and transmission rates in hospital with severely exposed patients reached utterly unacceptable levels and no doubt contributed to the death tolls. My suggestion is repeated below:

Why have we not consigned specialist hospitals to deal solely with Covid? Why is pretty much every hosptial we have is seeing Covid patients and Covid wards in them? Surely this only serves to expose and increase the risk of patients contracting Covid. These are issues which should have been addressed long ago.

The govt and health dept have sat on their hands for the past 12 months and made no sort of contingency or forward planning on this. They are the ones charged with this and they did nothing.

You are not in government, no one will listen to you and if they read this discussion board they defo wouldn't listen to you.

You can't train up staff in a year, they haven't the numbers, we did have specialist hospitals, but they didn't use them, as they didn't have the staff!

There was/is a pandemic protocol, apparently the brits had a very good one, they just didn't apply it! 

You can't wave a magic wand when the horse has bolted to fix things, they are plugging gaps and sticking tape over things, remember this when you go to vote next day out

Naomh Gall abú!  Ní dhéanfar dearmad ar a rud a phostáilt tú.

[What needs to be remembered however that when unionist politics are under pressure , sectarian foot soldiers appear , targetting innocent Catholics . A 32 county Ireland is potentially very close. If we feed the unionist bear with economic arguments, there'll be little resistance, but if we poke the bear with triumphalism , there could be a whole new generation of victims.]

As I stated a few time, I don't know why the UUP aren't going to town on the DUP over this.

Because Submariner Steve is as think as shit and rather than try and get the middle ground back from Alliance he's trying to outdo the DUP in being so loyal and never never never on anything and he's never going to succeed there........

From
A unionist perspective he could be very smart. Unionists best chance of short term survival is to merge DUP/UUP, which will
Keep a unionist party in power for another while. Unionists parties  never seem to play the long game, which would be to try and retain Britishness in an inevitable All-Island structure for future generations. instead they'll do anything to avoid a United ireland during their own lifetime at the expense of sorting out a deal for their descendants. There are strong economic arguments for an All-island solution that even moderate unionists and reluctant "freestaters " could back . These need to be quantified, and as NI inevitably gets totally unviable, there will be less resistance from pragmatic unionists. What needs to be remembered however that when unionist politics are under pressure , sectarian foot soldiers appear , targetting innocent Catholics . A 32 county Ireland is potentially very close. If we feed the unionist bear with economic arguments, there'll be little resistance, but if we poke the bear with triumphalism , there could be a whole new generation of victims.

+1 ... God forbid another innocent person loses their life because of unionist sabre rattling or nationalist triumphalism.  In this new island, all should be on the table for discussion, the good and bad of north and south, and the end product should be something better for all on the island, not one or the other.  Are we up for having a new national flag or anthem?  Symbolism will play a major part in whatever new island emerges.

Flag/anthem - will unionists recognise them? Very few will. Do nationalists recognise the flag/anthem of Norn Iron? Very few do, because it's a statelet they want no part of. Unionists will be the same way with regards to a UI.

If they were reluctantly dragged into a UÍ, you can sure that every ounce of Ireland and Irishness will be gnawed away at. Music, language, sport, culture, emblems etc. You seen how unionists reacted to city hall flag or blocked marches, so called erosion of their Protestant culture. Expect the same reactions in a UI by nationalists if similar happened.

What is this please?

[You know where I live?]

Good to see the European Court of Human Rights have passed legislation that allows for people to choose whether they are vaccinated or not.

https://pace.coe.int/en/files/29004/html

I know a good few posters here were on for abusing people's human rights and forcing a vaccine they have concerns with on them.

Be no good to you as you live outside of Europe now

You know where I live?

I knew that news would upset you though.

Cuckoo land? God knows where you live, thankfully nowhere near me
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Tá iontas orm go bhfuil cead ag Naomh Gall postáil go fóill.  Ábhar náire ag a chlub.

[Some of the smug comments on here are pretty shameful tbh.]

Teachers having a nice little injoke here about not having to work on full pay when people are seeing job losses and their businesses battling to stay afloat. Think it tells you an awful lot about their entitlement and lack of empathy.

To make it worse, it's the tax from front line workers who are keeping the show on the road day in day out that pays their wages.

Some of the smug comments on here are pretty shameful tbh.

Wise up and grow up, Angelo.   Looks like Itchy wasn't the only one who missed the 'humour' lessons.   Teachers have been front line workers since August and we are still working full time and getting the pay that we are entitled to, showing lots of empathy each lesson, every day and, guess what, using a bit of humour with the students!!   If businesses are closing, then it is the tax that others pay, including teachers, which is keeping the show on the road.

Humour should be funny. I and others don't really find comments sniggering about not having to work while on full pay while others are currently going through financial hardship and risk losing their jobs and livelihoods and where parents have to try and work their own job and do your job for you as funny.

Maybe you should have got some humility lessons.

Someone had a tough time at school.

The type of smug comment I've come to expect.

Afraid not.  Out of touch with reality of teaching in lockdown.

[McKenna, Canavan]

As many as you want

1. Your own county now - McKenna, Canavan
2. Your own county in the past - Jordan, O'Neill, McCabe, Donaghy, Canavan
3. Other counties now - Clifford, Kilkenny, Murphy, McGuigan
4. Other counties in the past - Cooper, Tohill, Reilly, Linden, Sheehy

Two or three games each at senior level and they're your favourite players. LOL

Lol?  Not really - his choice.  They are exciting players.  Look forward to reading yours.

Come on, shooters, lets be having ye.

A fair few posts deleted here.

Everyone needs to calm down a bit...thread might be locked for a while otherwise.

Personal insults will not be tolerated, as everyone seems to understand, and bans will follow.

Thank you.

[There are no circumstances bar eradication of Covid that they'd be happy to go back.]

The problem for parents is that sure the schools are closed but there is no situation in which teachers are happy to go back. There are no circumstances bar eradication of Covid that they'd be happy to go back. The unions offer no solutions. Some parents are able to teach and help their children but many aren't. Many haven't got the technical resources nor the understanding. Teachers well at least their representatives don't appear to get that.

What balls.  I haven't missed a day's teaching since Covid started.  I'll be teaching every day until the end of June.  I'll be back in school tomorrow morning, teaching.

I mean in f2f capacity. I don't doubt teachers are in providing a teaching service of sorts.

You are only hearing the negativity of moaners, scare mongers and unions.Their views do not reflect everyone's position.

I haven't seen any teachers groups come and disagree with the unions actions, have you?

Trailer summed it up best. Teachers are refusing to work until they get guarantees around covid that can't possibly be given. Thankfully the doctors, nurses, shop workers etc who work in far more dangerous environments for Covid than the teachers haven't gone on strike

More shite.  I teach full timetable every day, every week.  Some posters here are so out of touch it is pathetic.

[There are no circumstances bar eradication of Covid that they'd be happy to go back.]

The problem for parents is that sure the schools are closed but there is no situation in which teachers are happy to go back. There are no circumstances bar eradication of Covid that they'd be happy to go back. The unions offer no solutions. Some parents are able to teach and help their children but many aren't. Many haven't got the technical resources nor the understanding. Teachers well at least their representatives don't appear to get that.

What balls.  I haven't missed a day's teaching since Covid started.  I'll be teaching every day until the end of June.  I'll be back in school tomorrow morning, teaching.

No you won't. There is no face to face teaching in schools right now. You can plan lessons and upload work. Other than that, you'll be babysitting if you go into school.

Yes, I will.  I will be in school teaching my classes live on Microsoft Teams, speaking to each and every 120 of them.  No babysitting.  Teaching.  So don't try to talk shite on here.

[There are no circumstances bar eradication of Covid that they'd be happy to go back.]

The problem for parents is that sure the schools are closed but there is no situation in which teachers are happy to go back. There are no circumstances bar eradication of Covid that they'd be happy to go back. The unions offer no solutions. Some parents are able to teach and help their children but many aren't. Many haven't got the technical resources nor the understanding. Teachers well at least their representatives don't appear to get that.

What balls.  I haven't missed a day's teaching since Covid started.  I'll be teaching every day until the end of June.  I'll be back in school tomorrow morning, teaching.

I mean in f2f capacity. I don't doubt teachers are in providing a teaching service of sorts.

We are not allowed to do face to face at present.  There is this thing called a pandemic, public health is at risk, you see.  Any teacher I have spoken to would prefer to teach face to face so your "There are no circumstances bar eradication of Covid that they'd be happy to go back." is still balls. 

[24 hours on and not a whimper on the Mother and Baby Home Report.]

24 hours on and not a whimper on the Mother and Baby Home Report. Does the board reflect the misogyny of the era or are people too caught up in US politics and Covid? Report is a damning indictment of Ireland  and the society that evolved post "Independence"

And it came to pass once more, this time in the wee undemocratic six where Ian Óg Paisley has started to beat the sectarian drum again.  Dangerous times ahead - especially if you are gay, as the DUP's Nelson McCausland has rediscovered a cure.

Think your starting post was accurate enough.

[There are no circumstances bar eradication of Covid that they'd be happy to go back.]

The problem for parents is that sure the schools are closed but there is no situation in which teachers are happy to go back. There are no circumstances bar eradication of Covid that they'd be happy to go back. The unions offer no solutions. Some parents are able to teach and help their children but many aren't. Many haven't got the technical resources nor the understanding. Teachers well at least their representatives don't appear to get that.

What balls.  I haven't missed a day's teaching since Covid started.  I'll be teaching every day until the end of June.  I'll be back in school tomorrow morning, teaching. 

[Some of the smug comments on here are pretty shameful tbh.]

Teachers having a nice little injoke here about not having to work on full pay when people are seeing job losses and their businesses battling to stay afloat. Think it tells you an awful lot about their entitlement and lack of empathy.

To make it worse, it's the tax from front line workers who are keeping the show on the road day in day out that pays their wages.

Some of the smug comments on here are pretty shameful tbh.

Wise up and grow up, Angelo.   Looks like Itchy wasn't the only one who missed the 'humour' lessons.   Teachers have been front line workers since August and we are still working full time and getting the pay that we are entitled to, showing lots of empathy each lesson, every day and, guess what, using a bit of humour with the students!!   If businesses are closing, then it is the tax that others pay, including teachers, which is keeping the show on the road. 

So homelessness, corruption, massive wealth inequality, institutionalised coverup of sexual abuse, landing the debts of billionaires onto to citizens to pay back is the type of normal you strive for?

Corruption is everywhere that there is money. Inequality in the ROI is less than many places owing to a progressive tax system the GINI coefficient after tax is quite respectable. Some debts of billionaires were supported, but many debts also belong to those citizens in the form of pension funds and the like.

Sounds like justification of these things. Seems to me the only thing people promoting the Free State as a great country is that it's a tax haven for multinational companies.

They may not be unique to the free state but it gives you an idea how things work.

What sort of society would you like to live in, Angelo?

One where the needs of people are put ahead of vested interests, one where politicians are held to account for their decisions and abuses of power, one where governments strive to introduce fairer taxation on the high earners and corporations and one where the state provides the best quality of public services and facilities. In any form of equitable society the needs of citizens must come first and that' what we should aspire to.

Sounds good - I'll go with that.  Government free from church influence?

https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2021/01/25/bill-maher-says-racism-in-america-is-exaggerated/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Bill Maher says racism in America  is exaggerated

Liam Ó Meachair needs to examine his roots! 

As the native American said to the Irish native "Irish? Oh yes, you too have suffered at the hands of the white man."