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[including armed reistence]

Sure its ok to miss quote, you have littered the thread with it

Well if NI is not comparable I haven't seen you knock anyone on here with their use of NI as a comparison

It will, like all wars end up around a table, the sooner they get there the more mothers will be alive, sons will grow to be adults and men will be able to go out and provide for their families

That is unfortunately a lot to do with what the Israelis do going forward. The US, UK and others will eventually sway to public demand and call a stop on their support.

Too late for the thousands that have lost their lives and continue to do so. Armed resistance won't cut it, if another similar Hamas attack happened again in the future be rest assured the same thing will happen again, like it has done for 75 years   

I have knocked using comparisons and try and avoid them myself..  I think I might have even mentioned it yesterday when I mentioned the Warsaw ghetto (posted at 12.45 yesterday) and its not the first time I mentioned it..

there wasn't armed resistence for (all) that 75 years and the Palestinians are still being murdered without consequence.

we are going around in circles..

should palestinans use all legal avenues to get self determination, including armed reistence?

if not, are you saying they need to wait and accept whatever faith comes ther way until Uk/US/EU decides the stop supporting Israel and then Israel also decides to take a difference approach to the last 75 years?

to be clear the faith that has come there way sees daily murders, 2.2m caged in Gaza, starvation, apartheid in Israel, and the west bank. And little or no sign of any chance of self determination.

'including armed reistence' in reality what will that achieve, it like throwing rocks at a tank, or poking the bear with a stick to see if it will chase you..

From history of conflicts the invaded people generally come out on top, but they have usually put up more resistance because there has been a huge financial backer and provider of weapons, America Russia China lets say in Vietnam being an obvious recent war, that impasse and body count of American soldiers and protests back home eventually brought about negotiations to bringing that to an end, same in Afghanistan.

The Palestinians don't have that outside body to fund that, Iran won't get much more involved, as they have no one to back them either. Its got to come to some sort of talks, and a 2 state solution is the only way to have agreement. Israel at the minute won't entertain that, the current and past governments have/had no love for it either.

Current conditions are not healthy for it

Might not happen though for another 75 years! 

Oh, and I haven't said they shouldn't have armed resistance, I'm just saying its futile 

It's no more futile than sitting at a talks table with someone who has no interest in talking to you

Or who hasn't even turned up to the talks because they've no incentive to

They might as well throw rocks at the tanks

And there's another school of thought ref. the 6 county conflict, namely that the only thing that brought the British to the talks table in a serious way was a series of bombs in England

I think there's validity in that

If you think there is validity in blowing innocent people into smithereens grand, whatever floats your boat

They were setting off bombs in England during the 70's 80's and 90's over 30 years it didn't help or changed the mindset for a long time, if that was actually was the reason

What brought people to the table or behind close doors  there was no end game other than dialogue that and the republican movement was completely infiltrated by touts, and needed to go down the political process, which has brought about a SF minister, still under British rule but a lot further down the road than 50 years ago.

As php said there is no comparison though

Look anything is better than doing nothing internationally, but the big guns are still rowing in behind the Israelis, all I've said is that it will only stop when they talk, are the conditions there at the minute for that? no..

Marches and protests will obviously bring and keep attention/focus on the genocide, but the main governments, mainly the US as the rest will fall in behind them need to demand the talks

You know full well that's not what I meant

But you decided, pathetically, to go for the cheap point score anyway

Which I shouldn't be surprised about I suppose


You keep mentioning talks - but talks only work when both sides WANT to engage

For any negotiation to happen, in any setting, both sides need some sort of leverage

The Palestinians currently have none

When one side just wants to keep murdering your citizens and stealing your land - and can do so with total impunity, pray tell me what the fcuk the point would be of turning up to sit and talk about it

I stand by what I said - and it's generally recognised by many people a lot more qualified than either of us - the bombing in England was a crucial factor in making the British govt realise that talks were the only way - they had tried the military route and it got them nowhere

You are fond of the cheap shots also, so dry your eyes

I've said repeatedly that the the conditions are nowhere near right for talks, but talks will be the only way this conflict will have better ending.

What do Hamas want to bring to the table? They want a 2 state solution to be part of the PLO and be legitimised, that said they still ant to destroy Israel (and who can blame them) but that rhetoric isn't helpful either..

Talks 20 years ago should have been upheld and the Israelis kept in check on land grabbing and abuse to those living in Gaza, that's on those that set up those talks, it allowed Israel to do what it wanted.

I've no idea how any resolution will come about, to even go into talks, but that doesn't mean armed resistance is the other solution. It's not and won't, regardless of what you think happened over here, stop those feckers from doing what they are doing now 

My views on how this place, it was purely political in the end. I don't think bombings that spanned the 3 decades actually made a difference. If nearly taking out the Tory government in Brighton didn't work I fail to see how it was the main reason, that was in 84, Good Friday Agreement 98..

As you said though there are smarter people than us that good give many reasons. And look you can throw out cheap pot shots at me till the cows come home, you are a nobody person (like me) behind a screen, you've no impact on my life

It's always political in the end - that's a nothing observation.

As is the rest of it to be frank.  A whole lot of if, but and shouldn't.  Nothing

Brolly had a good line on it somewhere... basically something along the lines that in the whole history of human kind, people who lived under oppressive regimes for sustained periods ALWAYS ended up resorting to violence.  It's human nature - nothing more.

Someone (you?) asked he question earlier regarding what Hamas expected in retaliation to October 7th.  The question should actually be - What did Israel expect after 75 years of subjugation?

And finally - please drop the perma-victim routine.  I engaged with you in good faith, you acted the child, I called you out.  No need for the histrionics - nobody cares

[including armed reistence]

Sure its ok to miss quote, you have littered the thread with it

Well if NI is not comparable I haven't seen you knock anyone on here with their use of NI as a comparison

It will, like all wars end up around a table, the sooner they get there the more mothers will be alive, sons will grow to be adults and men will be able to go out and provide for their families

That is unfortunately a lot to do with what the Israelis do going forward. The US, UK and others will eventually sway to public demand and call a stop on their support.

Too late for the thousands that have lost their lives and continue to do so. Armed resistance won't cut it, if another similar Hamas attack happened again in the future be rest assured the same thing will happen again, like it has done for 75 years   

I have knocked using comparisons and try and avoid them myself..  I think I might have even mentioned it yesterday when I mentioned the Warsaw ghetto (posted at 12.45 yesterday) and its not the first time I mentioned it..

there wasn't armed resistence for (all) that 75 years and the Palestinians are still being murdered without consequence.

we are going around in circles..

should palestinans use all legal avenues to get self determination, including armed reistence?

if not, are you saying they need to wait and accept whatever faith comes ther way until Uk/US/EU decides the stop supporting Israel and then Israel also decides to take a difference approach to the last 75 years?

to be clear the faith that has come there way sees daily murders, 2.2m caged in Gaza, starvation, apartheid in Israel, and the west bank. And little or no sign of any chance of self determination.

'including armed reistence' in reality what will that achieve, it like throwing rocks at a tank, or poking the bear with a stick to see if it will chase you..

From history of conflicts the invaded people generally come out on top, but they have usually put up more resistance because there has been a huge financial backer and provider of weapons, America Russia China lets say in Vietnam being an obvious recent war, that impasse and body count of American soldiers and protests back home eventually brought about negotiations to bringing that to an end, same in Afghanistan.

The Palestinians don't have that outside body to fund that, Iran won't get much more involved, as they have no one to back them either. Its got to come to some sort of talks, and a 2 state solution is the only way to have agreement. Israel at the minute won't entertain that, the current and past governments have/had no love for it either.

Current conditions are not healthy for it

Might not happen though for another 75 years! 

Oh, and I haven't said they shouldn't have armed resistance, I'm just saying its futile 

It's no more futile than sitting at a talks table with someone who has no interest in talking to you

Or who hasn't even turned up to the talks because they've no incentive to

They might as well throw rocks at the tanks

And there's another school of thought ref. the 6 county conflict, namely that the only thing that brought the British to the talks table in a serious way was a series of bombs in England

I think there's validity in that

If you think there is validity in blowing innocent people into smithereens grand, whatever floats your boat

They were setting off bombs in England during the 70's 80's and 90's over 30 years it didn't help or changed the mindset for a long time, if that was actually was the reason

What brought people to the table or behind close doors  there was no end game other than dialogue that and the republican movement was completely infiltrated by touts, and needed to go down the political process, which has brought about a SF minister, still under British rule but a lot further down the road than 50 years ago.

As php said there is no comparison though

Look anything is better than doing nothing internationally, but the big guns are still rowing in behind the Israelis, all I've said is that it will only stop when they talk, are the conditions there at the minute for that? no..

Marches and protests will obviously bring and keep attention/focus on the genocide, but the main governments, mainly the US as the rest will fall in behind them need to demand the talks

You know full well that's not what I meant

But you decided, pathetically, to go for the cheap point score anyway

Which I shouldn't be surprised about I suppose


You keep mentioning talks - but talks only work when both sides WANT to engage

For any negotiation to happen, in any setting, both sides need some sort of leverage

The Palestinians currently have none

When one side just wants to keep murdering your citizens and stealing your land - and can do so with total impunity, pray tell me what the fcuk the point would be of turning up to sit and talk about it

I stand by what I said - and it's generally recognised by many people a lot more qualified than either of us - the bombing in England was a crucial factor in making the British govt realise that talks were the only way - they had tried the military route and it got them nowhere

[including armed reistence]

Sure its ok to miss quote, you have littered the thread with it

Well if NI is not comparable I haven't seen you knock anyone on here with their use of NI as a comparison

It will, like all wars end up around a table, the sooner they get there the more mothers will be alive, sons will grow to be adults and men will be able to go out and provide for their families

That is unfortunately a lot to do with what the Israelis do going forward. The US, UK and others will eventually sway to public demand and call a stop on their support.

Too late for the thousands that have lost their lives and continue to do so. Armed resistance won't cut it, if another similar Hamas attack happened again in the future be rest assured the same thing will happen again, like it has done for 75 years   

I have knocked using comparisons and try and avoid them myself..  I think I might have even mentioned it yesterday when I mentioned the Warsaw ghetto (posted at 12.45 yesterday) and its not the first time I mentioned it..

there wasn't armed resistence for (all) that 75 years and the Palestinians are still being murdered without consequence.

we are going around in circles..

should palestinans use all legal avenues to get self determination, including armed reistence?

if not, are you saying they need to wait and accept whatever faith comes ther way until Uk/US/EU decides the stop supporting Israel and then Israel also decides to take a difference approach to the last 75 years?

to be clear the faith that has come there way sees daily murders, 2.2m caged in Gaza, starvation, apartheid in Israel, and the west bank. And little or no sign of any chance of self determination.

'including armed reistence' in reality what will that achieve, it like throwing rocks at a tank, or poking the bear with a stick to see if it will chase you..

From history of conflicts the invaded people generally come out on top, but they have usually put up more resistance because there has been a huge financial backer and provider of weapons, America Russia China lets say in Vietnam being an obvious recent war, that impasse and body count of American soldiers and protests back home eventually brought about negotiations to bringing that to an end, same in Afghanistan.

The Palestinians don't have that outside body to fund that, Iran won't get much more involved, as they have no one to back them either. Its got to come to some sort of talks, and a 2 state solution is the only way to have agreement. Israel at the minute won't entertain that, the current and past governments have/had no love for it either.

Current conditions are not healthy for it

Might not happen though for another 75 years! 

Oh, and I haven't said they shouldn't have armed resistance, I'm just saying its futile 

It's no more futile than sitting at a talks table with someone who has no interest in talking to you

Or who hasn't even turned up to the talks because they've no incentive to

They might as well throw rocks at the tanks

And there's another school of thought ref. the 6 county conflict, namely that the only thing that brought the British to the talks table in a serious way was a series of bombs in England

I think there's validity in that

Irexit incoming? What would the vote be like for that? Controlling your own borders and having all shape bananas

Surely, when they look at the mess that's the UK's been in, anyone with half a brain would realise this is madness

Lets face it - the brits did it 'cos of da foreigners'

And the foreigners have never been spilling into the country quicker

Even the far right looney bins can see that?  No?

My god there are some crying hoors in the GAA who want everything for free, I surely hope they are over represented on this board or the organisation is truely in trouble.

Crying about the price of tickets to games, and the price of diesel to get to games, and how much a feed costs, and having to get a ticket for the wains, and not getting to see every game on FTA tv, and the game they just saw was lateral shite, and the forward mark, and the studio analysis, and negative managers, and people coming to the door selling tickets for their club, and the amount of money the GAA has, and the lack of money the GAA gives our club, ad nauseum ad nauseum ad nauseum.

And then thinking they are great GAA men when they've not ever wore a shirt or even washed a shirt.

I would say the vast majority of posters on here are not even GAA members.

Keyser, in my experience a good auld moan and gripe is the common language of humanity. I've spent plenty of time abroad and worked with many nationalities and the average gaa fan or poster on this board is no different to the majority everywhere else (well west coast USA with their unwavering positivity might be the exception).
And as for your comment on posters probably not being members, I suspect the vast majority of us are pretty involved with gaa at some level. We are the diehards or we wouldn't be on here in the first place. Not that many people find discussions on the kickout strategies of Armagh all that interesting you know....

There certainly are diehards on here but a majority, definitely not.

There was a thread on ticket selling on here recently.

Not only was there just one poster, of the many who contributed to the thread, who had actually gone out to sell tickets, but there were quite a few who were complaining about being asked to buy a ticket by clubs coming to their door, and there were even a few calling for it to be banned.

Like what sort of GAA person would begrudge being ASKED to voluntarily contribute a few quid to the GAA, by a person who is giving up their time to travel around the country to raise funds for their local club. The people selling the tickets are diehards, people whinging about it on Gaaboard are blowhards.

So no I don't agree that a majority are GAA diehards, their diehardness extends to going to county matches and complaining their hole off on GAA board about stuff they probably know very little about.

And yes that would indeed include Armagh kickout strategies

You seem to have a very narrow agenda.

I've:

- played football for 35 years.
- coached and selected at teams from under-8 to senior, including the past 8 years unbroken.
- spent over 15 years on our club committee, including 5 as treasurer.
- served as our county board rep for a couple of years and on a county board subcommittee for a year.
- acted as a team liaison for our county minors for two years.

And my sincere opinion is that if a club from say County Derry cannot find the funds within their own parish, community, town, county to build whatever it they think they need, then they've no business asking people from say County Down to put their hands in their pockets and pay for it.

Am I not GAA enough to be entitled to this opinion?

No issue with you holding that opinion at all.

My opinion would be that the GAA is a national organisation and one which raison d'etre was to promote Irish games and pastimes on a national basis.  (Just checked there - the words Nation/National are mentioned in the preface to the Official Guide 10 times).

My sincerely held opinion is that there should be zero issue with clubs fundraising on a national basis (if practicalities allowed).

I think we should take it as a source of pride that members a club in Antrim would see fit to contribute to a club in Kerry (or vice versa).  Indeed, it is entirely in line with the aims and ethos of the association.

The parish/town/county element of it should be left to the actual games only.

If you feel so strongly about it, you can always just emmm... not buy them?

Some of you lads could start a row in an empty room.

Hands up, I did reluctantly engage, but sometimes someone is just blowing out their hole so much that you can't resist having a say

[Of course it plays a part in sport. I've never said it didn't.]

Of course it plays a part in sport. I've never said it didn't.

My point is and was that the "product on the table" you're sitting at home watching on TV today compared to 20 or 30 or 40 years ago has barely changed at all, other than for the actual standard of it going up. Admittedly you can see the table considerably more clearly since they stopped them smoking.

If your argument is "snooker is shit these days because Kyren Wilsen doesn't eat sweets with fans" I'd suggest your issue isn't with the snooker itself.

Ah right?

So what part would it play?

Like - could it influence shot selection in a snooker match perhaps?  Or fan interaction?

Could that shot selection/fan interaction then have a part to play in how interesting the game was from a spectator's point of view?


I don't know why you bothered typing the last paragraph, other than sheer desperation.

The levels of cognitive dissonance here are off the charts

Clearly that's nothing to do with your personality though gallsman

You're just good at it and trying to win

I don't think you know what all those words mean. Wouldn't be a first for you though, so at least that's absolutely in line with your personality.

 

Some bit of crowbarring to get that one in gallsman

Mine was nicer

Anyway, just to clear it up - does the personality of the competitors play no part in any sport, or is it just snooker?

 

The levels of cognitive dissonance here are off the charts

Clearly that's nothing to do with your personality though gallsman

You're just good at it and trying to win

His nickname is the Welsh Potting Machine. It's a skill, not a personality trait ffs

I shouldn't... but anyway

You do realise that in order to pot the ball he has to decide to try it first? The shots aren't bloody mandatory. 

This f**king nonsense again about "characters". What you see on the screen in terms of people playing snooker hasn't changed a bit, whether it's Higgins or White or Jak Jones. It's just a lad at a table potting balls. Some do it faster than others. Some are incredibly slow. Same as it ever was.

If you can't see the player's personalities (or lack of them) come through in the way the they actually play the game, you know fcuk all about snooker.

They're all playing the same game, but they're not playing it the same way.  Same in any sport.

Unfortunately snooker right now seems chock full of risk averse players with a serious shortage of natural flair.

Which makes it all a bit boring.

Basket case

Seemingly this is the only permitted descriptor for the 6 county economy

There are no shortages of jobs going at the minute.  At least it curtails the "them foreigners coming over here and taking all our jobs" rhetoric/excuse.

they can have our jobs, it is the houses they take that are the problem

Have 'they' taken your job or your house or a house from anyone you know ? Genuine question

It is simple logic that if you allow in more immigrants than you build houses then you somebody is going to have problems getting a house. I'm quite comfortable and am not one of those people. In general, this debate seems to be unable to distinguish between the aggregate effect and situations of individuals.

So you're worried for others (us Irish with the great bloodline that will hopefully never get diluted by the bad foreigner's bloodline).. Helping out other folk who need our help isn't the issue, they are not your enemy. Why not worry and look out for those less fortunate than us?
The real enemy here looks very like you and me, not the unfortunate on the boats, not trans etc...

I am not in the least worried about the bloodline, and nothing that I said indicated that I was, so you are making it up. I also did not say that we should not help the less fortunate. The people who come here are not the most deserving, the most deserving are stuck in some camp and do not have tens of thousands of Euro to pay people smugglers, those who cannot come are those that we should help, not the chancers who lie their way across the world.

An Easter message to warm the heart

The sheer humanity of it

From the boards chief Catholic Church spokesperson

On Good Friday

The party of God, led by the following...

Ian Paisley - Inciter in chief of countless acts of sectarian violence and murder and otherwise too many things to mention

Peter Robinson - Invader of clontibret and up to his oxters in dodgy Nama dealings.  Wife shagged a young'un

Arlene Foster - RHI overseer and suspected of cruelty to crocodiles

Edwin Poots - Prima facie clean, but the young boy's a suspected crook with planning shenanigans

Jeffrey Donaldson - Charged with sexual abuse

Gavin Robinson - TBC...