Kerry v donegal .....what a wonderful display of manliness? ....southern media headlines
Donegal is very South alright :o
Dirty action from Mc Gee (one which I have seen him do a few times before)
While I have sympathy for Fitzgerald, the referee was left with no option only to send him off.
Fitzgerald should have not been sent off, what was he meant to do?
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 08, 2016, 10:43:51 AM
Fitzgerald should have not been sent off, what was he meant to do?
Of course he should have been sent off, he threw about 4 punches.
I have every sympathy for him and I would say most of us would have done the same, but the referee had no choice really.
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Quote from: nrico2006 on March 08, 2016, 10:43:51 AM
Fitzgerald should have not been sent off, what was he meant to do?
Of course he should have been sent off, he threw about 4 punches.
I have every sympathy for him and I would say most of us would have done the same, but the referee had no choice really.
as someone said earlier, along the lines of 'provocation is highly rewarded' in football, which is so true. By the letter of the law,AF had to go. I'd rescind the red card and ban McGee, send out a message
I would like to see McGee getting a ban for that alright, I just couldnt see them recinding AF red.
on what basis would fitzgerald's red card be rescinded?
Whilst I think everyone here agrees that he was provoked and we'd all have done the same (or similiar) after being provoked in that way, but there is no way he can escape punishment. If we were to go down that road, we'd end up with the question of what provocation gives a player a free pass to throw a punch (or three!). If mcgee had punched him in the face and Fitzgerald reacted by throwing a punch back at him no-one would be saying fitzgerald should get off because he was provoked. This is effectively the same thing.
McGee should also be punished and in my opinion he should get at least the same ban as fitzgerald.
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Quote from: nrico2006 on March 08, 2016, 10:43:51 AM
Fitzgerald should have not been sent off, what was he meant to do?
Of course he should have been sent off, he threw about 4 punches.
I have every sympathy for him and I would say most of us would have done the same, but the referee had no choice really.
as someone said earlier, along the lines of 'provocation is highly rewarded' in football, which is so true. By the letter of the law,AF had to go. I'd rescind the red card and ban McGee, send out a message
You can't just change the rules to retrospectively ban someone, there is an incredibly selective and unfair aspect to that.
I do agree the rule should be changed to stop serious provocation being rewarding and encouraged, which the rules in their current guise do.
I do have a problem with the hysteria being made out around McGee at the minute though, what he did was nasty and underhand, no question.
Is it uncommon in today's game? No.
Is it any worse than a sneaky dig to the ribs or from behind, somebody deliberately stepping on an opponents toes or the other various forms of antagonism and provocation that regularly happens in the game across all teams? No, it's not, The Screaming Marys are out in force to pillar McGee as a pariah on a saintly game where only a marginal band of reprobates engage in such actions.
The rules should be changed from here on in but knowing the GAA, probably won't, allowing for such tactics to fester and prosper.
Last year, we had the watershed moment of McCann's dive and the hysterical outrage in the aftermath that saw McCann hit with a makey up ban. What the GAA should have done was say enough is enough, from here on in, players who engage in such simulation run the risk of being retrospectively banned. As far as I am aware they have failed to change any rule after the farce they made of the McCann ban.
Fitzgerald's card can't possibly be rescinded or you may let mob rule take over altogether.
Maybe if his name was Connolly and he played for Dublin...... ::)
Quote from: westbound on March 08, 2016, 11:01:39 AM
on what basis would fitzgerald's red card be rescinded?
Whilst I think everyone here agrees that he was provoked and we'd all have done the same (or similiar) after being provoked in that way, but there is no way he can escape punishment. If we were to go down that road, we'd end up with the question of what provocation gives a player a free pass to throw a punch (or three!). If mcgee had punched him in the face and Fitzgerald reacted by throwing a punch back at him no-one would be saying fitzgerald should get off because he was provoked. This is effectively the same thing.
McGee should also be punished and in my opinion he should get at least the same ban as fitzgerald.
+1
Quote from: Rossfan on March 08, 2016, 11:17:26 AM
Fitzgerald's card can't possibly be rescinded or you may let mob rule take over altogether.
Maybe if his name was Connolly and he played for Dublin...... ::)
Or Keegan and Keane if they played for Mayo.
QuoteIs it any worse than a sneaky dig to the ribs or from behind, somebody deliberately stepping on an opponents toes or the other various forms of antagonism and provocation that regularly happens in the game across all teams? No, it's not,
I would say yes, its much worse.
We are talking about deliberately trying to inflict an injury that would have at least took him out of that game and potential been out for a while. Its far worse than a dig in the ribs or standing on the toes (which is more annoying than anything)
I would also say, while i have seen that done before a few times ( and Mcgee being one of them) I certainly wouldn't say its a common occurrence.
No problem with McGee getting a long ban, what he did is completely unacceptable.
However I wouldn't stop there, the assault on Murphy by Donaghy at the start was equally as dangerous, equally unacceptable & equally deserving of a long ban.
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QuoteIs it any worse than a sneaky dig to the ribs or from behind, somebody deliberately stepping on an opponents toes or the other various forms of antagonism and provocation that regularly happens in the game across all teams? No, it's not,
I would say yes, its much worse.
We are talking about deliberately trying to inflict an injury that would have at least took him out of that game and potential been out for a while. Its far worse than a dig in the ribs or standing on the toes (which is more annoying than anything)
I would also say, while i have seen that done before a few times ( and Mcgee being one of them) I certainly wouldn't say its a common occurrence.
Are you saying he was deliberately trying to break his fingers? Ridiculous assertion to make.
I was watching it, waiting to see whether it would be worth recording the deferred match coming after (spoiler: it was (https://deiseach.wordpress.com/2016/03/07/the-deise-roar/)) and would like to note that the second half of the football was tremendous.
Yes, thats what I am saying.
McGee has previous for this which ended up with breaking an opponents fingers , so he knew what he was at.
Whether he was trying to break fingers or not is irrelevant as it was a cheap, cowardly act that should be punished in the harshest way the rules allow.
Quote from: BluestackBoy on March 08, 2016, 11:31:45 AM
No problem with McGee getting a long ban, what he did is completely unacceptable.
However I wouldn't stop there, the assault on Murphy by Donaghy at the start was equally as dangerous, equally unacceptable & equally deserving of a long ban.
+1
And this is my issue, McGee was out of order and if the rules are in place should be banned but I have a big problem in the isolating of him when actions on a par with that went on in a game were ignored.
Was delighted to see Mc Gee get hit, didn't get hit hard enough for the action he was at. The melee at the start which was the result of Donagahy on Murphy was a lot of bluster, not a punch in it, rolling, pushing and slobbering, ref dealt with sensibly.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on March 08, 2016, 11:34:43 AM
Yes, thats what I am saying.
McGee has previous for this which ended up with breaking an opponents fingers , so he knew what he was at.
Grand so next lad to deliberately trod on someone's toes in a game must be trying to break their toes. Next player to deliver a nasty shot in the ribs must be trying yo break their opponents ribs.
I don't for one second believemail McGee was trying to break his fingers.
Was it dangerous yet? Nasty and underhand? Yes.
But you jump to the assertion he was trying to cause an injury to him rather than a momentary period of pain/distress with the aim of provoking a reaction is ridiculous and if you're in anyway consistent you'll apply the same logic to every incident of sneaky play
Quote from: Zulu on March 08, 2016, 11:35:59 AM
Whether he was trying to break fingers or not is irrelevant as it was a cheap, cowardly act that should be punished in the harshest way the rules allow.
Yes but it's not unusual, we've all heard the story of famous olden day full backs greeting their marker with a knee to the thigh and such. It's something that's always been common in the game and still is.
I don't see anything worse about bending someone's fingers back than standing on their toes or delivering sneaky close fist shots to the ribcage or knees to the thigh. All are common in the game and none are recent developments.
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Quote from: blewuporstuffed on March 08, 2016, 11:34:43 AM
Yes, thats what I am saying.
McGee has previous for this which ended up with breaking an opponents fingers , so he knew what he was at.
Grand so next lad to deliberately trod on someone's toes in a game must be trying to break their toes. Next player to deliver a nasty shot in the ribs must be trying yo break their opponents ribs.
I don't for one second believemail McGee was trying to break his fingers.
Was it dangerous yet? Nasty and underhand? Yes.
But you jump to the assertion he was trying to cause an injury to him rather than a momentary period of pain/distress with the aim of provoking a reaction is ridiculous and if you're in anyway consistent you'll apply the same logic to every incident of sneaky play
He carried out an action that was very likely to result in breaking /dislocating a finger, regardless of his intention.
To compare it to troding on someones toes or hitting them a dig in the ribs is ridiculous as those actions a re far less likely to cause injury.
what did donaghy do to murphy? I haven't seen any footage of that
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Yes, thats what I am saying.
McGee has previous for this which ended up with breaking an opponents fingers , so he knew what he was at.
Grand so next lad to deliberately trod on someone's toes in a game must be trying to break their toes. Next player to deliver a nasty shot in the ribs must be trying yo break their opponents ribs.
I don't for one second believemail McGee was trying to break his fingers.
Was it dangerous yet? Nasty and underhand? Yes.
But you jump to the assertion he was trying to cause an injury to him rather than a momentary period of pain/distress with the aim of provoking a reaction is ridiculous and if you're in anyway consistent you'll apply the same logic to every incident of sneaky play
He carried out an action that was very likely to result in breaking /dislocating a finger, regardless of his intention.
To compare it to troding on someones toes or hitting them a dig in the ribs is ridiculous as those actions a re far less likely to cause injury.
A 15/16 stone lad trdodding on your toes with studs is very likely to break someone's toes.
A highly conditioned player delivering a close fist pinch to the ribs is very likely to crack/break someone's ribs.
A knee to the groin/thigh is very likely to give someone a dead leg.
Did Lee Keegan try and murder Diarmuid Connolly last year because when I try and apply your logic to that situation then that's what I'm coming up with.
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Yes, thats what I am saying.
McGee has previous for this which ended up with breaking an opponents fingers , so he knew what he was at.
Grand so next lad to deliberately trod on someone's toes in a game must be trying to break their toes. Next player to deliver a nasty shot in the ribs must be trying yo break their opponents ribs.
I don't for one second believemail McGee was trying to break his fingers.
Was it dangerous yet? Nasty and underhand? Yes.
But you jump to the assertion he was trying to cause an injury to him rather than a momentary period of pain/distress with the aim of provoking a reaction is ridiculous and if you're in anyway consistent you'll apply the same logic to every incident of sneaky play
He carried out an action that was very likely to result in breaking /dislocating a finger, regardless of his intention.
To compare it to troding on someones toes or hitting them a dig in the ribs is ridiculous as those actions a re far less likely to cause injury.
A 15/16 stone lad trdodding on your toes with studs is very likely to break someone's toes.
A highly conditioned player delivering a close fist pinch to the ribs is very likely to crack/break someone's ribs.
A knee to the groin/thigh is very likely to give someone a dead leg.
Did Lee Keegan try and murder Diarmuid Connolly last year because when I try and apply your logic to that situation then that's what I'm coming up with.
I think that says more about your logic than mine
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Quote from: blewuporstuffed on March 08, 2016, 11:34:43 AM
Yes, thats what I am saying.
McGee has previous for this which ended up with breaking an opponents fingers , so he knew what he was at.
Grand so next lad to deliberately trod on someone's toes in a game must be trying to break their toes. Next player to deliver a nasty shot in the ribs must be trying yo break their opponents ribs.
I don't for one second believemail McGee was trying to break his fingers.
Was it dangerous yet? Nasty and underhand? Yes.
But you jump to the assertion he was trying to cause an injury to him rather than a momentary period of pain/distress with the aim of provoking a reaction is ridiculous and if you're in anyway consistent you'll apply the same logic to every incident of sneaky play
He carried out an action that was very likely to result in breaking /dislocating a finger, regardless of his intention.
To compare it to troding on someones toes or hitting them a dig in the ribs is ridiculous as those actions a re far less likely to cause injury.
A 15/16 stone lad trdodding on your toes with studs is very likely to break someone's toes.
A highly conditioned player delivering a close fist pinch to the ribs is very likely to crack/break someone's ribs.
A knee to the groin/thigh is very likely to give someone a dead leg.
Did Lee Keegan try and murder Diarmuid Connolly last year because when I try and apply your logic to that situation then that's what I'm coming up with.
I think that says more about your logic than mine
You can't kill someone in a headlock?
Good to see a bit of aul physicality though the finger incident was nasty...
Another thing that really annoys me about the modern game, is all this goading and 'manly' bravado that goes on.
As an example, after mcGee started the incident with Fitzgerald and fitzgerald was then sent off mcgee shouldered him as he was going off. What was the point of that? Mcgee initiated the incident and got (presumably) the reaction he wanted and fitzgerald was sent off? This sh1te of shouldering lads in the back and going chest to chest is really awful to watch!
Aidan O'Mahoney is another one who was at it on sunday.
And Bryan Sheehan was at it with one of the Donegal players (can't remember which one). They were pushing each other for ages looking for each other to react. It's awful sh1te to watch.
Just get on with the game lads FFS.
And by the way this is not an anti Donegal/Kerry rant. This rubbish goes on in lots of games. This is just the most recent game!
You're right the mouthing these days is terrible and is everywhere. Club players including underage copied it.
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 08, 2016, 11:51:00 AM
what did donaghy do to murphy? I haven't seen any footage of that
He got him in a headlock & swung him to the ground. It set the tone for everything that came after.
Quote from: BluestackBoy on March 08, 2016, 12:17:50 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 08, 2016, 11:51:00 AM
what did donaghy do to murphy? I haven't seen any footage of that
He got him in a headlock & swung him to the ground. It set the tone for everything that came after.
Yes forgot the bit were it was a Kerry free and Murphy wouldnt let go of the ball. A delaying tactic that donegal do all the time. The tone for this match was set during the week by Rory Gallagher, there's no doubt about that
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Quote from: tonto1888 on March 08, 2016, 11:51:00 AM
what did donaghy do to murphy? I haven't seen any footage of that
He got him in a headlock & swung him to the ground. It set the tone for everything that came after.
Yes forgot the bit were it was a Kerry free and Murphy wouldnt let go of the ball. A delaying tactic that donegal do all the time. The tone for this match was set during the week by Rory Gallagher, there's no doubt about that
Fellas not handing the ball up immediately is as old as the hills & every team does it. If spotted the referee moves the free up, that's how it should be dealt with. Donaghy's headlock was a first, was dangerous and set the tone.
How you figure that Gallagher thought it was in Donegal's interest to get into a slugfest in baffling. they were playing the best football in the division, scoring to beat the band & have a number of young inexperienced new players. Why would they change tack when what they were doing was working so well?
Gallagher is not everyone's cup of tea, I get that. He annoy's the head off me sometimes as well. I don't think he was behind affairs on Sunday though.
I hope that McGee gets an appropriate sanction for what was a terrible act. I hope that the Kerry lads get's his red card rescinded. I hope that Rory and the rest of the management team take a good long look at discipline in the team and in the support team, and make some changes for the rest of the year.
In any sport, behavior that can give a team an advantage will grow and prosper. That's why flopping became such a big deal in basketball, why diving became such a big deal in soccer, why waving the ball wide became such a big deal in hurling and football. If we want certain behaviors to change (and I really do), we have to make it so they don't lead to a reward. Aidan O'Mahoney spend most of Sunday roaring in Murphy's face in the hope that he would react and get sent off. Kavanagh was needling Brian Sheehan for exactly the same reason. They are not doing it to pass the time; they are doing it because it gives them an advantage. It's up to us as members of the GAA to decide if we want to see more of this, and if not, to change the rules/enforce the rules so that it is no longer an advantage to do it.
I know that Fitzgerald won't have his card rescinded. The rules were followed and he was sent-off. Its just going back to something I mentioned last summer regarding provocation and how the GAA should not be treating the initial recipient of violence in the same way as the aggressor. The rules should be changed and that change should not punish someone like Fitzgerald on Sunday. It was an instinctive reaction to a scummy act that was obviously causing his alot of pain, what should he have done?
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Quote from: blewuporstuffed on March 08, 2016, 11:34:43 AM
Yes, thats what I am saying.
McGee has previous for this which ended up with breaking an opponents fingers , so he knew what he was at.
Grand so next lad to deliberately trod on someone's toes in a game must be trying to break their toes. Next player to deliver a nasty shot in the ribs must be trying yo break their opponents ribs.
I don't for one second believemail McGee was trying to break his fingers.
Was it dangerous yet? Nasty and underhand? Yes.
But you jump to the assertion he was trying to cause an injury to him rather than a momentary period of pain/distress with the aim of provoking a reaction is ridiculous and if you're in anyway consistent you'll apply the same logic to every incident of sneaky play
He carried out an action that was very likely to result in breaking /dislocating a finger, regardless of his intention.
To compare it to troding on someones toes or hitting them a dig in the ribs is ridiculous as those actions a re far less likely to cause injury.
A 15/16 stone lad trdodding on your toes with studs is very likely to break someone's toes.
A highly conditioned player delivering a close fist pinch to the ribs is very likely to crack/break someone's ribs.
A knee to the groin/thigh is very likely to give someone a dead leg.
Did Lee Keegan try and murder Diarmuid Connolly last year because when I try and apply your logic to that situation then that's what I'm coming up with.
I think that says more about your logic than mine
You can't kill someone in a headlock?
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=26794.0 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=26794.0)
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Quote from: blewuporstuffed on March 08, 2016, 11:34:43 AM
Yes, thats what I am saying.
McGee has previous for this which ended up with breaking an opponents fingers , so he knew what he was at.
Grand so next lad to deliberately trod on someone's toes in a game must be trying to break their toes. Next player to deliver a nasty shot in the ribs must be trying yo break their opponents ribs.
I don't for one second believemail McGee was trying to break his fingers.
Was it dangerous yet? Nasty and underhand? Yes.
But you jump to the assertion he was trying to cause an injury to him rather than a momentary period of pain/distress with the aim of provoking a reaction is ridiculous and if you're in anyway consistent you'll apply the same logic to every incident of sneaky play
He carried out an action that was very likely to result in breaking /dislocating a finger, regardless of his intention.
To compare it to troding on someones toes or hitting them a dig in the ribs is ridiculous as those actions a re far less likely to cause injury.
A 15/16 stone lad trdodding on your toes with studs is very likely to break someone's toes.
A highly conditioned player delivering a close fist pinch to the ribs is very likely to crack/break someone's ribs.
A knee to the groin/thigh is very likely to give someone a dead leg.
Did Lee Keegan try and murder Diarmuid Connolly last year because when I try and apply your logic to that situation then that's what I'm coming up with.
I think that says more about your logic than mine
You can't kill someone in a headlock?
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=26794.0 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=26794.0)
So McGee was deliberately trying to break a lad's fingers while Keegan was giving Connolly a few cuddles, was it?
At no stage have i mentioned Lee Keegan.
I was going to add a post here but really, there's already a longer, more measured and generally better discussion on this in the Division 1 thread for anyone interested :D
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on March 08, 2016, 01:30:00 PM
At no stage have i mentioned Lee Keegan.
I am and I'm asking you if you apply the same standards to similar incidents. You are accusing McGee of deliberately trying to break an opponent's fingers.
Quote from: StephenC on March 08, 2016, 12:46:31 PM
I hope that McGee gets an appropriate sanction for what was a terrible act. I hope that the Kerry lads get's his red card rescinded. I hope that Rory and the rest of the management team take a good long look at discipline in the team and in the support team, and make some changes for the rest of the year.
In any sport, behavior that can give a team an advantage will grow and prosper. That's why flopping became such a big deal in basketball, why diving became such a big deal in soccer, why waving the ball wide became such a big deal in hurling and football. If we want certain behaviors to change (and I really do), we have to make it so they don't lead to a reward. Aidan O'Mahoney spend most of Sunday roaring in Murphy's face in the hope that he would react and get sent off. Kavanagh was needling Brian Sheehan for exactly the same reason. They are not doing it to pass the time; they are doing it because it gives them an advantage. It's up to us as members of the GAA to decide if we want to see more of this, and if not, to change the rules/enforce the rules so that it is no longer an advantage to do it.
O Mahoney is a complete asshole, reminds me of a guy who is well well past it, and tries to compensate by mouthing off, and throwing his weight around. Is he related to Fitzmaurice or one of the selectors, how the hell is he on the panel. Having said that I hope to see him on the field in August or September, as will most of his opponents.
How Donaghy stayed on the field is a mystery, incident with Murphy was a yellow at minimum. The tackle on McHugh likewise.
People who say Kinsella is a good ref may be off the mark, he cannot keep up with the play. Full stop.
On a side note, I have to laugh at one of our favorite journalists Eugene,
The following is a quote from his report on the game Sunday.
"Several new players made big impressions and as always a few veterans like Sheehan, Aidan O'Mahony and Kieran Donaghy showed leadership that was vital in the more tempestuous periods of the game"
Methinks it may be time to take his pencil away.
Quote from: longballin on March 08, 2016, 11:58:42 AM
You're right the mouthing these days is terrible and is everywhere. Club players including underage copied it.
Black card there to rid the game of that. Referees rarely use it, more is the pity.
Btw , lord help the referee who righty clamps down with cards etc on the mouthing etc in a league game as the "let it flow" / "referee lost control of the game" pundits get into full flow.
Speaking to and hearing Donegal people, they I think anyway genuinely feel they were seen as "soft touches" for many years by opposing teams. I think this explains why they are now a flinty , abrasive bunch although this will lose its benefits if they are at it every game and opposing teams are expecting and preparing for it (which now no doubt they are).
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Quote from: longballin on March 08, 2016, 11:58:42 AM
You're right the mouthing these days is terrible and is everywhere. Club players including underage copied it.
Black card there to rid the game of that. Referees rarely use it, more is the pity.
Correct. Playing Rule 5 isn't it?
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Quote from: blewuporstuffed on March 08, 2016, 01:30:00 PM
At no stage have i mentioned Lee Keegan.
I am and I'm asking you if you apply the same standards to similar incidents. You are accusing McGee of deliberately trying to break an opponent's fingers.
They are in no way similar incidents.
I am judging the mcgee incident on what I saw him do, not on something a different player form a different county did 6 months earlier.
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what did donaghy do to murphy? I haven't seen any footage of that
He got him in a headlock & swung him to the ground. It set the tone for everything that came after.
Yes forgot the bit were it was a Kerry free and Murphy wouldnt let go of the ball. A delaying tactic that donegal do all the time. The tone for this match was set during the week by Rory Gallagher, there's no doubt about that
Fellas not handing the ball up immediately is as old as the hills & every team does it. If spotted the referee moves the free up, that's how it should be dealt with. Donaghy's headlock was a first, was dangerous and set the tone.
How you figure that Gallagher thought it was in Donegal's interest to get into a slugfest in baffling. they were playing the best football in the division, scoring to beat the band & have a number of young inexperienced new players. Why would they change tack when what they were doing was working so well?
Gallagher is not everyone's cup of tea, I get that. He annoy's the head off me sometimes as well. I don't think he was behind affairs on Sunday though.
Maybe I'm wrong but I just think Gallagher is trying to put his stamp on the team. This is still really mcguiness team. Same players and same style of play. Although it will have a negative impact now, I think it will benefit donegal later on in the year. Some teams will have that bit of fear in the back of there minds. Donaghey def had a big say in the tone of the game, but Hugh McFadden did his best to rise him at a hop ball just after the throw in. McFadden continued with this until he was taken off. Has Rory put him in as a spoiler because it's def not for his football ability. Big Neil Gallagher is still very important to donegal
Both teams fined €7500 and Neil McGee get's a one match suspension. He won't play agin Roscommon.
Hugh McFadden is a fine footballer
Not saying he is the next jack o'shea but to insinuate he has no football ability is wrong.you don't get on that Donegal team if you can't play football.
Quote from: StephenC on March 08, 2016, 08:31:42 PM
Both teams fined €7500 and Neil McGee get's a one match suspension. He won't play agin Roscommon.
Good. If Armagh and Fermanagh were fined, the least you'd expect would be a similar stance taken here.
Quote from: east down gael on March 08, 2016, 08:43:43 PM
Not saying he is the next jack o'shea but to insinuate he has no football ability is wrong.you don't get on that Donegal team if you can't play football.
He has performed well for the U21s but IMO has yet to show he's going to be in the mix come championship. He's a big body but his tackling is poor and he tends (perhaps under instruction) to be very conservative in his passing. And for the love of god he needs to stop bitchin and complaining.
Yeah I agree with you,I was just saying that he's not some eejit who can't play football.He'd be welcome in down put it that way.The bitching and complaining I don't really know about,when it comes to the very top teams like dublin,Kerry,Donegal or Mayo I'd be of the opinion that nearly all they do on the pitch is set by the manager. That would include whinging,sledging,off the ball stuff.
Quote from: east down gael on March 08, 2016, 08:58:26 PM
Yeah I agree with you,I was just saying that he's not some eejit who can't play football.He'd be welcome in down put it that way.The bitching and complaining I don't really know about,when it comes to the very top teams like dublin,Kerry,Donegal or Mayo I'd be of the opinion that nearly all they do on the pitch is set by the manager. That would include whinging,sledging,off the ball stuff.
Well I hope he can continue to develop. Big Neil and Rory will be gone soon and our future MF picture is looking pretty bleak at the moment.
Quote from: east down gael on March 08, 2016, 08:39:18 PM
Hugh McFadden is a fine footballer
Hugh McFadden is no more a county footballer than I am.
His only contribution last Sunday was getting involved in silly stuff & getting frees moved up.
Quote from: east down gael on Today at 08:39:18 PM
Hugh McFadden is a fine footballer
Hugh McFadden is no more a county footballer than I am.
His only contribution last Sunday was getting involved in silly stuff & getting frees moved up.
You too would be welcome in Down then!
Come to think of it Colm cavanagh was pretty shit for a year or two when he started playing for Tyrone so there hope yet.
Quote from: redzone on March 08, 2016, 09:28:33 PM
Come to think of it Colm cavanagh was pretty shit for a year or two when he started playing for Tyrone so there hope yet.
I could mark fresh air for frigs sake! Do not understand this new love in with Colm C and Cian O'Sullivan. Two average midfielders (footballers) who are now sitting in front of defenses having a grand old time of it!
Ah come on,Cian o'sullivan is a quality footballer.
Quote from: JoG2 on March 08, 2016, 09:38:54 PM
Quote from: redzone on March 08, 2016, 09:28:33 PM
Come to think of it Colm cavanagh was pretty shit for a year or two when he started playing for Tyrone so there hope yet.
I could mark fresh air for frigs sake! Do not understand this new love in with Colm C and Cian O'Sullivan. Two average midfielders (footballers) who are now sitting in front of defenses having a grand old time of it!
There's definitely times I think I could play county ball as well. Colly has really improved over the years and we wouldn't be without him.cian osulliavan a grt player to.
I see McGee hasn't got a ban but a proposed ban according to John fogarty on Twitter
While I do sometimes think that he may have been better off training up as a keeper, Hugh is occasionally exceptional in midfield at club level, for spells, but he has yet to put it all together really. One thing that's noticeable at county level is his reluctance to shoot - he really rakes them from distance for Killybegs.
And JoG2, if you have Colm Cavanagh and Cian O'Sullivan marked down as poor players you must have exceptional standards! Both lads have grown with responsibility, and are perfect role models for Hugh really.
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Quote from: JoG2 on March 08, 2016, 09:38:54 PM
Quote from: redzone on March 08, 2016, 09:28:33 PM
Come to think of it Colm cavanagh was pretty shit for a year or two when he started playing for Tyrone so there hope yet.
I could mark fresh air for frigs sake! Do not understand this new love in with Colm C and Cian O'Sullivan. Two average midfielders (footballers) who are now sitting in front of defenses having a grand old time of it!
There's definitely times I think I could play county ball as well. Colly has really improved over the years and we wouldn't be without him.cian osulliavan a grt player to.
I see McGee hasn't got a ban but a proposed ban according to John fogarty on Twitter
Colm has definitely improved over the years
Said it before, 3rd man into any skirmish sees the line, it would stop large scale melees over night!
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QuoteI must admit to only seeing the tail-end of the incident live — it was impossible to catch every flash point. But from watching it back, McGee was most deserving of the few dunts he received for what he tried to do to Fitzgerald's fingers. It was right up there with eye gouging or spitting at an opponent, in my book. A nasty, deliberate act designed to inflict real damage and provoke an opponent. Completely unnecessary and unwarranted, no matter what colour jersey you're wearing, or what county you hail from.
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So you're entitled to hit a lad a few boxes then?
QuoteIf anything, Donaghy lit the fuse with his man-handling of Donegal's pack leader Michael Murphy following an early hop ball. He threw him to the turf in what seemed like a statement of intent... 'ye boys won't come into our house and bully us today'.
So players are allowed to do that now? rugby tackle lads to the ground to make a statement of intent?
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 09, 2016, 08:08:15 AM
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QuoteI must admit to only seeing the tail-end of the incident live — it was impossible to catch every flash point. But from watching it back, McGee was most deserving of the few dunts he received for what he tried to do to Fitzgerald's fingers. It was right up there with eye gouging or spitting at an opponent, in my book. A nasty, deliberate act designed to inflict real damage and provoke an opponent. Completely unnecessary and unwarranted, no matter what colour jersey you're wearing, or what county you hail from.
Out of interest, what do people think the correct punishment for Donaghy's 'round the neck pull down of murphy' would have been if the ref dealt with it at the time?
Take the personalities out of it and look at it objectively (as if it happened in a low key club game).
I think most would agree that there wasn't a red card offence committed. But I'm interested to see if people think it wsa a black card or yellow card offence?
It was surely a deliberate pull down so did he deserve a black card? Or does the black card state that the ball has to be in play?
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So you're entitled to hit a lad a few boxes then?
QuoteIf anything, Donaghy lit the fuse with his man-handling of Donegal's pack leader Michael Murphy following an early hop ball. He threw him to the turf in what seemed like a statement of intent... 'ye boys won't come into our house and bully us today'.
So players are allowed to do that now? rugby tackle lads to the ground to make a statement of intent?
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 09, 2016, 08:08:15 AM
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QuoteI must admit to only seeing the tail-end of the incident live — it was impossible to catch every flash point. But from watching it back, McGee was most deserving of the few dunts he received for what he tried to do to Fitzgerald's fingers. It was right up there with eye gouging or spitting at an opponent, in my book. A nasty, deliberate act designed to inflict real damage and provoke an opponent. Completely unnecessary and unwarranted, no matter what colour jersey you're wearing, or what county you hail from.
*************
So you're entitled to hit a lad a few boxes then?
QuoteIf anything, Donaghy lit the fuse with his man-handling of Donegal's pack leader Michael Murphy following an early hop ball. He threw him to the turf in what seemed like a statement of intent... 'ye boys won't come into our house and bully us today'.
So players are allowed to do that now? rugby tackle lads to the ground to make a statement of intent?
McGee deserved a lot more than a few boxes and a 1 match ban. He got off lightly in both respects.
Quirke called the Donaghy incident lawless, he's hardly saying it's OK as you're insinuating
Quote from: blanketattack on March 09, 2016, 09:12:08 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 09, 2016, 08:08:15 AM
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QuoteI must admit to only seeing the tail-end of the incident live — it was impossible to catch every flash point. But from watching it back, McGee was most deserving of the few dunts he received for what he tried to do to Fitzgerald's fingers. It was right up there with eye gouging or spitting at an opponent, in my book. A nasty, deliberate act designed to inflict real damage and provoke an opponent. Completely unnecessary and unwarranted, no matter what colour jersey you're wearing, or what county you hail from.
*************
So you're entitled to hit a lad a few boxes then?
QuoteIf anything, Donaghy lit the fuse with his man-handling of Donegal's pack leader Michael Murphy following an early hop ball. He threw him to the turf in what seemed like a statement of intent... 'ye boys won't come into our house and bully us today'.
So players are allowed to do that now? rugby tackle lads to the ground to make a statement of intent?
McGee deserved a lot more than a few boxes and a 1 match ban. He got off lightly in both respects.
Quirke called the Donaghy incident lawless, he's hardly saying it's OK as you're insinuating
+1 McGee didn't get half hard enough. There was a time in football when if you did that you'd expect a slap in the mouth for your troubles. The problem now is that you're rewarded for sly cowardly actions. What McGee did was way worse than what Fitzgerald did.
What's going on in football at the moment is shaming our game and it's high time a good few IC teams and individuals had a rethink about some of their ways.
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Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 09, 2016, 08:08:15 AM
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QuoteI must admit to only seeing the tail-end of the incident live — it was impossible to catch every flash point. But from watching it back, McGee was most deserving of the few dunts he received for what he tried to do to Fitzgerald's fingers. It was right up there with eye gouging or spitting at an opponent, in my book. A nasty, deliberate act designed to inflict real damage and provoke an opponent. Completely unnecessary and unwarranted, no matter what colour jersey you're wearing, or what county you hail from.
*************
So you're entitled to hit a lad a few boxes then?
QuoteIf anything, Donaghy lit the fuse with his man-handling of Donegal's pack leader Michael Murphy following an early hop ball. He threw him to the turf in what seemed like a statement of intent... 'ye boys won't come into our house and bully us today'.
So players are allowed to do that now? rugby tackle lads to the ground to make a statement of intent?
McGee deserved a lot more than a few boxes and a 1 match ban. He got off lightly in both respects.
Quirke called the Donaghy incident lawless, he's hardly saying it's OK as you're insinuating
+1 McGee didn't get half hard enough. There was a time in football when if you did that you'd expect a slap in the mouth for your troubles. The problem now is that you're rewarded for sly cowardly actions. What McGee did was way worse than what Fitzgerald did.
What's going on in football at the moment is shaming our game and it's high time a good few IC teams and individuals had a rethink about some of their ways.
Totally 100% agree. Tyrone, under harte, with ricey, gormley etc brought in most of these horrible dark provocative acts and have used it to their advantage. Donegal are one of the teams who have seen that it can be used to the advantage of a team as the player who retaliates is often the one more severely punished.
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QuoteI must admit to only seeing the tail-end of the incident live — it was impossible to catch every flash point. But from watching it back, McGee was most deserving of the few dunts he received for what he tried to do to Fitzgerald's fingers. It was right up there with eye gouging or spitting at an opponent, in my book. A nasty, deliberate act designed to inflict real damage and provoke an opponent. Completely unnecessary and unwarranted, no matter what colour jersey you're wearing, or what county you hail from.
*************
So you're entitled to hit a lad a few boxes then?
QuoteIf anything, Donaghy lit the fuse with his man-handling of Donegal's pack leader Michael Murphy following an early hop ball. He threw him to the turf in what seemed like a statement of intent... 'ye boys won't come into our house and bully us today'.
So players are allowed to do that now? rugby tackle lads to the ground to make a statement of intent?
McGee deserved a lot more than a few boxes and a 1 match ban. He got off lightly in both respects.
Quirke called the Donaghy incident lawless, he's hardly saying it's OK as you're insinuating
+1 McGee didn't get half hard enough. There was a time in football when if you did that you'd expect a slap in the mouth for your troubles. The problem now is that you're rewarded for sly cowardly actions. What McGee did was way worse than what Fitzgerald did.
What's going on in football at the moment is shaming our game and it's high time a good few IC teams and individuals had a rethink about some of their ways.
Totally 100% agree. Tyrone, under harte, with ricey, gormley etc brought in most of these horrible dark provocative acts and have used it to their advantage. Donegal are one of the teams who have seen that it can be used to the advantage of a team as the player who retaliates is often the one more severely punished.
+1
There's no doubt about this. Tyrone invented this stuff and some are carrying it on. Thankfully Kerry haven't succumbed to the darks arts yet.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 09, 2016, 08:08:15 AM
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QuoteI must admit to only seeing the tail-end of the incident live — it was impossible to catch every flash point. But from watching it back, McGee was most deserving of the few dunts he received for what he tried to do to Fitzgerald's fingers. It was right up there with eye gouging or spitting at an opponent, in my book. A nasty, deliberate act designed to inflict real damage and provoke an opponent. Completely unnecessary and unwarranted, no matter what colour jersey you're wearing, or what county you hail from.
*************
So you're entitled to hit a lad a few boxes then?
QuoteIf anything, Donaghy lit the fuse with his man-handling of Donegal's pack leader Michael Murphy following an early hop ball. He threw him to the turf in what seemed like a statement of intent... 'ye boys won't come into our house and bully us today'.
So players are allowed to do that now? rugby tackle lads to the ground to make a statement of intent?
would you expect him to wait till mcgee broke his fingers to retaliate or until the CCCC decide that Mcgee was doing something wrong.
Remonds me of the Time con counihan (i think) grabbed Jack os sheas Manhood , O shea rightly wasnt worried about what committees or refs would think if his actions as he laid into the corkman . Sometimes instant action is the Only way
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QuoteI must admit to only seeing the tail-end of the incident live — it was impossible to catch every flash point. But from watching it back, McGee was most deserving of the few dunts he received for what he tried to do to Fitzgerald's fingers. It was right up there with eye gouging or spitting at an opponent, in my book. A nasty, deliberate act designed to inflict real damage and provoke an opponent. Completely unnecessary and unwarranted, no matter what colour jersey you're wearing, or what county you hail from.
*************
So you're entitled to hit a lad a few boxes then?
QuoteIf anything, Donaghy lit the fuse with his man-handling of Donegal's pack leader Michael Murphy following an early hop ball. He threw him to the turf in what seemed like a statement of intent... 'ye boys won't come into our house and bully us today'.
So players are allowed to do that now? rugby tackle lads to the ground to make a statement of intent?
McGee deserved a lot more than a few boxes and a 1 match ban. He got off lightly in both respects.
Quirke called the Donaghy incident lawless, he's hardly saying it's OK as you're insinuating
+1 McGee didn't get half hard enough. There was a time in football when if you did that you'd expect a slap in the mouth for your troubles. The problem now is that you're rewarded for sly cowardly actions. What McGee did was way worse than what Fitzgerald did.
What's going on in football at the moment is shaming our game and it's high time a good few IC teams and individuals had a rethink about some of their ways.
Totally 100% agree. Tyrone, under harte, with ricey, gormley etc brought in most of these horrible dark provocative acts and have used it to their advantage. Donegal are one of the teams who have seen that it can be used to the advantage of a team as the player who retaliates is often the one more severely punished.
Meath were dark in the 1990s or is tramping on a player's head or emptying a player as they kick the ball noble and tough?
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QuoteI must admit to only seeing the tail-end of the incident live — it was impossible to catch every flash point. But from watching it back, McGee was most deserving of the few dunts he received for what he tried to do to Fitzgerald's fingers. It was right up there with eye gouging or spitting at an opponent, in my book. A nasty, deliberate act designed to inflict real damage and provoke an opponent. Completely unnecessary and unwarranted, no matter what colour jersey you're wearing, or what county you hail from.
*************
So you're entitled to hit a lad a few boxes then?
QuoteIf anything, Donaghy lit the fuse with his man-handling of Donegal's pack leader Michael Murphy following an early hop ball. He threw him to the turf in what seemed like a statement of intent... 'ye boys won't come into our house and bully us today'.
So players are allowed to do that now? rugby tackle lads to the ground to make a statement of intent?
McGee deserved a lot more than a few boxes and a 1 match ban. He got off lightly in both respects.
Quirke called the Donaghy incident lawless, he's hardly saying it's OK as you're insinuating
+1 McGee didn't get half hard enough. There was a time in football when if you did that you'd expect a slap in the mouth for your troubles. The problem now is that you're rewarded for sly cowardly actions. What McGee did was way worse than what Fitzgerald did.
What's going on in football at the moment is shaming our game and it's high time a good few IC teams and individuals had a rethink about some of their ways.
Totally 100% agree. Tyrone, under harte, with ricey, gormley etc brought in most of these horrible dark provocative acts and have used it to their advantage. Donegal are one of the teams who have seen that it can be used to the advantage of a team as the player who retaliates is often the one more severely punished.
Meath were dark in the 1990s or is tramping on a player's head or emptying a player as they kick the ball noble and tough?
Meath were a big physical side and everything they did v tyrone in 1996 was done openly in front of the ref and should have been dealt with as it was in open play. what I'm talking about is the underhand provoking of players using sledging or trying to injure way off the ball and out of sight of the play.
Kerry have been well able to rough teams up for decades and usually get away with it too
Does anyone know for certain what the role of an umpire is, apart from signalling a score or a wide in relation to rough house tactics? Occasionally a ref will speak to one re a passage of play so I assume they have some kind of power in relation to off the ball antics. Linesmen cannot make calls re the actual play, but can for any off the ball caper, but umpires??
During county matches in the last few years, I've seen forwards getting half strangled by defenders, continuously elbowed in the adam's apple, stamped on repeatedly, kicked on the achilles repeatedly, getting slabbered at etc etc..Its all happening with a few feet of 2 x umpires who 99% of the time do sweet f all about it. I've seen forwards shouting at the umpires to do something, and the umpires respond by looking down at the ground (well if they can see the ground beyond their rotundness) not wanting to get involved.
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QuoteI must admit to only seeing the tail-end of the incident live — it was impossible to catch every flash point. But from watching it back, McGee was most deserving of the few dunts he received for what he tried to do to Fitzgerald's fingers. It was right up there with eye gouging or spitting at an opponent, in my book. A nasty, deliberate act designed to inflict real damage and provoke an opponent. Completely unnecessary and unwarranted, no matter what colour jersey you're wearing, or what county you hail from.
*************
So you're entitled to hit a lad a few boxes then?
QuoteIf anything, Donaghy lit the fuse with his man-handling of Donegal's pack leader Michael Murphy following an early hop ball. He threw him to the turf in what seemed like a statement of intent... 'ye boys won't come into our house and bully us today'.
So players are allowed to do that now? rugby tackle lads to the ground to make a statement of intent?
McGee deserved a lot more than a few boxes and a 1 match ban. He got off lightly in both respects.
Quirke called the Donaghy incident lawless, he's hardly saying it's OK as you're insinuating
+1 McGee didn't get half hard enough. There was a time in football when if you did that you'd expect a slap in the mouth for your troubles. The problem now is that you're rewarded for sly cowardly actions. What McGee did was way worse than what Fitzgerald did.
What's going on in football at the moment is shaming our game and it's high time a good few IC teams and individuals had a rethink about some of their ways.
Totally 100% agree. Tyrone, under harte, with ricey, gormley etc brought in most of these horrible dark provocative acts and have used it to their advantage. Donegal are one of the teams who have seen that it can be used to the advantage of a team as the player who retaliates is often the one more severely punished.
Meath were dark in the 1990s or is tramping on a player's head or emptying a player as they kick the ball noble and tough?
Meath were a big physical side and everything they did v tyrone in 1996 was done openly in front of the ref and should have been dealt with as it was in open play. what I'm talking about is the underhand provoking of players using sledging or trying to injure way off the ball and out of sight of the play.
I could never condone that stuff is a blight on the game.
What's going on now is way worse. What went on in times past is irrelevant anyway and we were right to stamp out some of the more violent elements of the game but what's replaced it has absolutely no honour or merit. It's pathetic and harmful to the game.
Quote from: JoG2 on March 09, 2016, 10:56:50 AM
Does anyone know for certain what the role of an umpire is, apart from signalling a score or a wide in relation to rough house tactics? Occasionally a ref will speak to one re a passage of play so I assume they have some kind of power in relation to off the ball antics. Linesmen cannot make calls re the actual play, but can for any off the ball caper, but umpires??
During county matches in the last few years, I've seen forwards getting half strangled by defenders, continuously elbowed in the adam's apple, stamped on repeatedly, kicked on the achilles repeatedly, getting slabbered at etc etc..Its all happening with a few feet of 2 x umpires who 99% of the time do sweet f all about it. I've seen forwards shouting at the umpires to do something, and the umpires respond by looking down at the ground (well if they can see the ground beyond their rotundness) not wanting to get involved.
When you live abroad like myself, you rarely get to see this stuff, as it's never highlighted, presumably because a lot of it is not picked up by cameras. Unless all teams are at it, why are managers and players not highlighting it? Neil McGee and Philly McMahon and the odd other incident are highlighted, but that's once or twice a year. The GAA needs to clean up its act.
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Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 09, 2016, 08:08:15 AM
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QuoteI must admit to only seeing the tail-end of the incident live — it was impossible to catch every flash point. But from watching it back, McGee was most deserving of the few dunts he received for what he tried to do to Fitzgerald's fingers. It was right up there with eye gouging or spitting at an opponent, in my book. A nasty, deliberate act designed to inflict real damage and provoke an opponent. Completely unnecessary and unwarranted, no matter what colour jersey you're wearing, or what county you hail from.
*************
So you're entitled to hit a lad a few boxes then?
QuoteIf anything, Donaghy lit the fuse with his man-handling of Donegal's pack leader Michael Murphy following an early hop ball. He threw him to the turf in what seemed like a statement of intent... 'ye boys won't come into our house and bully us today'.
So players are allowed to do that now? rugby tackle lads to the ground to make a statement of intent?
McGee deserved a lot more than a few boxes and a 1 match ban. He got off lightly in both respects.
Quirke called the Donaghy incident lawless, he's hardly saying it's OK as you're insinuating
+1 McGee didn't get half hard enough. There was a time in football when if you did that you'd expect a slap in the mouth for your troubles. The problem now is that you're rewarded for sly cowardly actions. What McGee did was way worse than what Fitzgerald did.
What's going on in football at the moment is shaming our game and it's high time a good few IC teams and individuals had a rethink about some of their ways.
Totally 100% agree. Tyrone, under harte, with ricey, gormley etc brought in most of these horrible dark provocative acts and have used it to their advantage. Donegal are one of the teams who have seen that it can be used to the advantage of a team as the player who retaliates is often the one more severely punished.
Meath were dark in the 1990s or is tramping on a player's head or emptying a player as they kick the ball noble and tough?
Meath were a big physical side and everything they did v tyrone in 1996 was done openly in front of the ref and should have been dealt with as it was in open play. what I'm talking about is the underhand provoking of players using sledging or trying to injure way off the ball and out of sight of the play.
What sort of blathering idiot are you?
Colm O'Rourke was rejoicing in the recent past about hitting DJ Keane with a blindside box to the head, off the ball with the referee no doubt oblivious to it as he was following the play ending up with the incident going unpunished . Nothing brave or manly about that but very much the act of a a coward.
What has changed today is that you won't get away with these cowardly punches off the ball, as there are too many cameras, match officials etc on the game. Thus the battlefield has moved to more sophisticated and stealthier methods of provocation. Retrospective banning and linesmen reporting incidents to referees means you now have to be much more careful in how blatant you are.
Meath were a team who had absolutely no confliction in deliberately breaking the rules to get an advantage. They didn't do it because they were hard and tough, they did because they knew they could get an advantage from it.
What McGee did was wrong and should be punished but don't be such a glaringly obvious hypocrite.
That's all good and well and nobody is denying there were unsavoury incedents in the past but the tone of the games were hard, fair and honest - it's not that now. It was never a utopian version of hard but fair football, however there wasn't a systematic attempt to get players sent off or to exaggerate contact to get a red card. In the past you might have got a dig in the ribs and you'd give one back to let him know you'd not put up with that shite, now you'd be as likely to get your ass felt and if you reacted at all the guy would fling himself to the ground holding his face as if you'd hit him with a shovel. Neither are great for the game but only one is devious, cowardly and embarrassing to the sport.
Quote from: Zulu on March 09, 2016, 03:09:22 PM
That's all good and well and nobody is denying there were unsavoury incedents in the past but the tone of the games were hard, fair and honest - it's not that now. It was never a utopian version of hard but fair football, however there wasn't a systematic attempt to get players sent off or to exaggerate contact to get a red card. In the past you might have got a dig in the ribs and you'd give one back to let him know you'd not put up with that shite, now you'd be as likely to get your ass felt and if you reacted at all the guy would fling himself to the ground holding his face as if you'd hit him with a shovel. Neither are great for the game but only one is devious, cowardly and embarrassing to the sport.
They're all devious, nasty and embarrassing to the sport. Retrospective bans and having match officials report incidents to the referee have certainly helped reduce the dirty strikes of the ball, at senior county level, at least. The GAA need to come down hard on those who engage in this behaviour and they to put rules in place not after the next big talking point occurs.
I'd say you were also a lot more likely to get a broken jaw from a dirty unprovoked stroke off the ball in the past than you are likely today.
The problem is all down to the rules and officiating quality. A strong referee will be able to stamp that nonsense out early on in the game, if the players think they'll get away with it then they'll do it.
I don't think any of the serious sides will think twice about doing something underhand if they think they can gain an advantage out of it and get away with it. The standard of refereeing is a complete joke as are the disciplinary procedures, this is the breeding ground for most of the nonsense occurring.
No point trying to appeal to players better natures so rules & procedures have to be put in place.
1. Only the captain allowed to talk to the ref, as in rugby.
2. Linesmen & umpires to police foul play & report to referee.
3. Video to be used after games to catch unseen misdemeanours.
None of this would be difficult to introduce or need votes at congress, just a manly set of balls to enforce.
In the 1980s the late Mick Holden lifted his own player Barney Rock off the ground by the scruff of the neck when he lay playacting... no chance of that happening these days.
Quote from: BluestackBoy on March 09, 2016, 03:51:47 PM
No point trying to appeal to players better natures so rules & procedures have to be put in place.
1. Only the captain allowed to talk to the ref, as in rugby.
2. Linesmen & umpires to police foul play & report to referee.
3. Video to be used after games to catch unseen misdemeanours.
None of this would be difficult to introduce or need votes at congress, just a manly set of balls to enforce.
These all seem reasonable to me, and should be able to be enforced at intercounty championship level at least.
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Quote from: BluestackBoy on March 09, 2016, 03:51:47 PM
No point trying to appeal to players better natures so rules & procedures have to be put in place.
1. Only the captain allowed to talk to the ref, as in rugby.
2. Linesmen & umpires to police foul play & report to referee.
3. Video to be used after games to catch unseen misdemeanours.
None of this would be difficult to introduce or need votes at congress, just a manly set of balls to enforce.
These all seem reasonable to me, and should be able to be enforced at intercounty championship level at least.
The first one could be difficult as in rugby all the players move together more or less but like if an incident happens in GAA say in corner forward it is a long haul for a keeper as captain to go up to speak to ref. Waste enough time waiting for Cluxton to come out and take a free as it is..
Quote from: longballin on March 09, 2016, 04:24:17 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on March 09, 2016, 04:14:22 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on March 09, 2016, 03:51:47 PM
No point trying to appeal to players better natures so rules & procedures have to be put in place.
1. Only the captain allowed to talk to the ref, as in rugby.
2. Linesmen & umpires to police foul play & report to referee.
3. Video to be used after games to catch unseen misdemeanours.
None of this would be difficult to introduce or need votes at congress, just a manly set of balls to enforce.
These all seem reasonable to me, and should be able to be enforced at intercounty championship level at least.
The first one could be difficult as in rugby all the players move together more or less but like if an incident happens in GAA say in corner forward it is a long haul for a keeper as captain to go up to speak to ref. Waste enough time waiting for Cluxton to come out and take a free as it is..
You are right.
It's a great idea in theory, but in practise it'd just waste too much time.
I think referees just need to get much tougher on back chat! Use the black card rule that is in place!
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Quote from: BluestackBoy on March 09, 2016, 03:51:47 PM
No point trying to appeal to players better natures so rules & procedures have to be put in place.
1. Only the captain allowed to talk to the ref, as in rugby.
2. Linesmen & umpires to police foul play & report to referee.
3. Video to be used after games to catch unseen misdemeanours.
None of this would be difficult to introduce or need votes at congress, just a manly set of balls to enforce.
These all seem reasonable to me, and should be able to be enforced at intercounty championship level at least.
The first one could be difficult as in rugby all the players move together more or less but like if an incident happens in GAA say in corner forward it is a long haul for a keeper as captain to go up to speak to ref. Waste enough time waiting for Cluxton to come out and take a free as it is..
Point taken.
Hi Zulu
You are posting since 2007 and you have posted over 6000 times , twice a day
You have an opinion on everything
So why don't you just cop on.
Well now that's an odd post from samwin08. Your post is rubbish on pretty much every level but odd as well. Thanks though for taking the time to post that nonsense.
Quote from: BluestackBoy on March 09, 2016, 06:07:24 PM
Quote from: longballin on March 09, 2016, 04:24:17 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on March 09, 2016, 04:14:22 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on March 09, 2016, 03:51:47 PM
No point trying to appeal to players better natures so rules & procedures have to be put in place.
1. Only the captain allowed to talk to the ref, as in rugby.
2. Linesmen & umpires to police foul play & report to referee.
3. Video to be used after games to catch unseen misdemeanours.
None of this would be difficult to introduce or need votes at congress, just a manly set of balls to enforce.
These all seem reasonable to me, and should be able to be enforced at intercounty championship level at least.
The first one could be difficult as in rugby all the players move together more or less but like if an incident happens in GAA say in corner forward it is a long haul for a keeper as captain to go up to speak to ref. Waste enough time waiting for Cluxton to come out and take a free as it is..
Point taken.
Easily gotten around by nominating a vice captain, who plays out field. The captain takes care of issues in one half of the field and, the vice captain takes care of the other half. Solves the problem of a goal keeper or a corner forward having to run the entire length of the pitch, every time the ref blows his whistle.
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Quote from: BluestackBoy on March 09, 2016, 06:07:24 PM
Quote from: longballin on March 09, 2016, 04:24:17 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on March 09, 2016, 04:14:22 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on March 09, 2016, 03:51:47 PM
No point trying to appeal to players better natures so rules & procedures have to be put in place.
1. Only the captain allowed to talk to the ref, as in rugby.
2. Linesmen & umpires to police foul play & report to referee.
3. Video to be used after games to catch unseen misdemeanours.
None of this would be difficult to introduce or need votes at congress, just a manly set of balls to enforce.
These all seem reasonable to me, and should be able to be enforced at intercounty championship level at least.
The first one could be difficult as in rugby all the players move together more or less but like if an incident happens in GAA say in corner forward it is a long haul for a keeper as captain to go up to speak to ref. Waste enough time waiting for Cluxton to come out and take a free as it is..
Point taken.
Easily gotten around by nominating a vice captain, who plays out field. The captain takes care of issues in one half of the field and, the vice captain takes care of the other half. Solves the problem of a goal keeper or a corner forward having to run the entire length of the pitch, every time the ref blows his whistle.
Even if you nominate 3 'captains' or vice captains, there is no guarantee that any of them will be near an incident when it occurs. In rugby the 15 players are almost always in a small area (not to mention that a rugby pitch is significantly smaller) so the captain will always be near an incident. Also, rugby is much more stop start that we want football to be so again it lends itself better to pausing to wait for the captain to talk to the ref.
I'm all for something that would prevent every player feeling like they have a right to question every decision with the ref, but a workable solution would need to be found.
The last thing we'd want to do is take direction from a shit sport like rugby.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on March 10, 2016, 10:17:36 AM
The last thing we'd want to do is take direction from a shit sport like rugby.
In fairness, whatever you think about the sport, the respect shown to referees in rugby is top class.
Quote from: westbound on March 10, 2016, 10:41:35 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on March 10, 2016, 10:17:36 AM
The last thing we'd want to do is take direction from a shit sport like rugby.
In fairness, whatever you think about the sport, the respect shown to referees in rugby is top class.
The flip side of that is that the respect shown to players from referees and the way they explain their decisions is very good.
Unfortunately this is also something that is usually missing in our game.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on March 10, 2016, 10:44:51 AM
Quote from: westbound on March 10, 2016, 10:41:35 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on March 10, 2016, 10:17:36 AM
The last thing we'd want to do is take direction from a shit sport like rugby.
In fairness, whatever you think about the sport, the respect shown to referees in rugby is top class.
The flip side of that is that the respect shown to players from referees and the way they explain their decisions is very good.
Unfortunately this is also something that is usually missing in our game.
I'd agree with that too.
Quote from: westbound on March 10, 2016, 10:52:44 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on March 10, 2016, 10:44:51 AM
Quote from: westbound on March 10, 2016, 10:41:35 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on March 10, 2016, 10:17:36 AM
The last thing we'd want to do is take direction from a shit sport like rugby.
In fairness, whatever you think about the sport, the respect shown to referees in rugby is top class.
The flip side of that is that the respect shown to players from referees and the way they explain their decisions is very good.
Unfortunately this is also something that is usually missing in our game.
I'd agree with that too.
That would be the best entertainment of all!
I watched this game last Sunday with interest as I thought it would be a big test for both teams. With the good start Donegal have made and with the bad start Kerry had made I expected this game to have fireworks.
As many of you have learnt Donegal have added a sharp edge to their game since McGuinness was their manager and they learned the lesson you gotta earn the right to play football sometimes against the big teams.
Dublin can waltz through Leinster and most games in Croke park without getting into a war of attrition but as you saw last few times in Ulster that games between Donegal, Monaghan and Tyrone tend to be high intensity with all sorts of unsportsmanlike conduct going on. Dublin took this attitude up for the battle of Omagh back (http://"http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/battle-of-omagh-how-the-tyronedublin-saga-unfolded-26399876.html") in 2006 and it won them the game and was a huge turning point for Dublin as they showed themselves they do have the bottle to win very ugly against Ulster teams.
Sadly this is the type of game which occurs when one team comes with a "in your face" plan of attack and the other team take the "You won't bully us" attitude.
Apparently the referee tried to talk to both managers at half time but who was going to back down. Kerry knew they had to win if they wanted to stay in Div 1.
Tyrone in the past were well capable of playing such a style of game but I'm not sure if we have any such players any more. I think that's why perhaps we've struggled in Ulster in the last number of years.
I think the rules are there for refs and the CCCC to punish such behaviour but too often or not players get away with it for one reason or another. Fans don't like to see such incidents even if it does make it much more exciting.
Good post Fuzzman
Yes, except when the Dubs were getting their bellyful of it in Leinster, from Meath and Kildare, and even with Laois and Westmeath winning Leinsters, I don't recall this sort of bolloxology. It's a relatively recent development, and I agree with those who say it adds absolutely nothing to our games.
"Kerry manager Éamonn Fitzmaurice may have to make do without Marc Ó Sé for Sunday's trip to Castlebar as the veteran defender recovers from a nose injury.
Ó Sé sustained a broken nose during the opening stages of Kerry's fiery league clash with Donegal last Sunday in Tralee, where he went on to play the entire 70 minutes as the Kingdom recorded a five-point win over the visitors.
Speaking on Radio Kerry, Ó Sé claimed that he had been "blindsided" when he shipped a blow to the face and the injury now leaves him doubtful for Sunday's showdown with Mayo at McHale Park (throw-in 2.30pm)."
Quote from: westbound on March 10, 2016, 09:40:56 AM
Quote from: Beffs on March 09, 2016, 09:15:00 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on March 09, 2016, 06:07:24 PM
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Quote from: blewuporstuffed on March 09, 2016, 04:14:22 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on March 09, 2016, 03:51:47 PM
No point trying to appeal to players better natures so rules & procedures have to be put in place.
1. Only the captain allowed to talk to the ref, as in rugby.
2. Linesmen & umpires to police foul play & report to referee.
3. Video to be used after games to catch unseen misdemeanours.
None of this would be difficult to introduce or need votes at congress, just a manly set of balls to enforce.
These all seem reasonable to me, and should be able to be enforced at intercounty championship level at least.
The first one could be difficult as in rugby all the players move together more or less but like if an incident happens in GAA say in corner forward it is a long haul for a keeper as captain to go up to speak to ref. Waste enough time waiting for Cluxton to come out and take a free as it is..
Point taken.
Easily gotten around by nominating a vice captain, who plays out field. The captain takes care of issues in one half of the field and, the vice captain takes care of the other half. Solves the problem of a goal keeper or a corner forward having to run the entire length of the pitch, every time the ref blows his whistle.
Even if you nominate 3 'captains' or vice captains, there is no guarantee that any of them will be near an incident when it occurs. In rugby the 15 players are almost always in a small area (not to mention that a rugby pitch is significantly smaller) so the captain will always be near an incident. Also, rugby is much more stop start that we want football to be so again it lends itself better to pausing to wait for the captain to talk to the ref.
I'm all for something that would prevent every player feeling like they have a right to question every decision with the ref, but a workable solution would need to be found.
Realistically, the captain/player spokesman should not need to jog to the ref every time he blows his whistle. Games like the Kerry/Donegal one are the exception. not the rule imo.
Scenario one: Player commits a foul. Ref blows for the free. Player is pissed, but not prone to argue or make a fuss & the game just carries on. No need for ref and player to speak, or anyone else to get involved.
Scenario two: Player commits a free. Ref wants to talk to player to issue a warning or give him a card. Points to player, calls out his name and number & beckons him over. Situation is relatively calm. No one else gets involved.
(All players are told that during breaks in play, they are not to approach the ref, unless he is specifically summoned by the ref. Anyone who does gets a warning, do it twice, get 10 mins in a sin bin.)
Scenario three: Player commits a foul. Situation is tense. Shit could kick off. Ref raises his arm to signal to captain/player ref that he wants to talk to him. Ref and player rep handle the situation together. Anyone else who tries to get involved, gets an automatic black card, or 10 mins in the sin bin.
The captain/player rep only gets involved when the ref thinks he needs back up. Regardless of where he has to travel to from the pitch, it is a good investment time wise. Considering how much time is currently wasted with players surrounding the ref and yapping at him, a quick job from the full forward line to the middle of the pitch, a couple of times during the game is not that bad.
OK. But that's effectively the same as the rules now. Except that the ref currently never gives a black card for mouthing!!!!!!!
Quote from: westbound on March 10, 2016, 02:38:50 PM
OK. But that's effectively the same as the rules now. Except that the ref currently never gives a black card for mouthing!!!!!!!
If that was applied properly, Donaghy wouldn't have had much of a career.
Quote from: westbound on March 10, 2016, 02:38:50 PM
OK. But that's effectively the same as the rules now. Except that the ref currently never gives a black card for mouthing!!!!!!!
It's not the same rules as now. Where in the current rules does it say that the players can not harangue the ref, or that only the captain/player rep can address the ref, or that a player goes to the sin bin if he is too mouthy and pushy and shovey?
I accept that under the current system, a ref can award a black card for mouthing off to the ref. It's just not enforced enough.
Quote from: Beffs on March 10, 2016, 02:51:55 PM
Quote from: westbound on March 10, 2016, 02:38:50 PM
OK. But that's effectively the same as the rules now. Except that the ref currently never gives a black card for mouthing!!!!!!!
It's not the same rules as now. Where in the current rules does it say that the players can not harangue the ref, or that only the captain/player rep can address the ref, or that a player goes to the sin bin if he is too mouthy and pushy and shovey?
I accept that under the current system, a ref can award a black card for mouthing off to the ref. It's just not enforced enough.
I suppose the the point I was making was that for your rules to work they would have to be enforced properly. But the problem with the current rules around this area is that they are not enforced.
Award a few black cards for mouthing and the players wont be long shutting their mouths.