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« Reply #16110 on: June 12, 2018, 12:02:11 PM »
I don't understand his reasoning behind not playing him. His size and ball winning ability would get him onto most teams in ulster - he is also not a full forward the fella has good hands not feet. Lenny baffles me some of the players on the panel would struggle to make some of the top club teams on the county. Another disappointing year for the saffrons :(

Some of these players are the only ones who will make themselves available. Their maybe not the best but they are trying their best and that is all you can ask if they are willing to commit.

I understand that but the amount  of top players we don't have representing our county is a disgrace no other county has this situation. Crozier McCann brothers Dermot McAleese, John Mcnabb - who best keeper in the county by a mile, Niall oneill worth his place, Martin Johnston ,  Eoin McKeown , Donal Nugent if he got into shape I could go on I know there are different reasons and it is unrealistic that every player will commit every year but we need these type of players in the saffron jersey - Phone calls need to be made accommodating these players situations or else sadly we will be in the basement for the foreseeable future.
Nonsense

Pretty much every county outside the top 6 or so has this problem, in smaller counties you tend not to see too many players over 25 as work and life at home becomes more a priority and the fact the chances of winning something is slim makes opting out of the county panel a bit easier.

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« Reply #16111 on: June 12, 2018, 01:05:12 PM »
Pretty much every club has those issues to. I spoke to a Div3 manager here in Antrim at the weekend who said hes lost 5 lads to the States this season. He's working with a panel of 17 now.

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« Reply #16112 on: June 12, 2018, 02:00:15 PM »
I think this is problem wider than just Antrim in general.

Look at the likes of say Cork/ Armagh/ Meath - massive football counties with decent tradition and they have no chance utterly no chance of winning the competition that they are entering year on year. How long is it before players realise this too and start to weigh it up and say feck it this isn't worth it.

Thats before you even get the length of the likes of Antrim.

The whole system is flawed completely flawed. We have in every county more players sitting idle because of this system. The whole thing is eating itself and unless it is addressed and sharpish the eliteism will have killed the whole organisation.
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« Reply #16113 on: June 12, 2018, 02:42:56 PM »
I think this is problem wider than just Antrim in general.

Look at the likes of say Cork/ Armagh/ Meath - massive football counties with decent tradition and they have no chance utterly no chance of winning the competition that they are entering year on year. How long is it before players realise this too and start to weigh it up and say feck it this isn't worth it.

Thats before you even get the length of the likes of Antrim.

The whole system is flawed completely flawed. We have in every county more players sitting idle because of this system. The whole thing is eating itself and unless it is addressed and sharpish the eliteism will have killed the whole organisation.

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« Reply #16114 on: June 13, 2018, 12:34:12 PM »
Iíve asked this question a number of times on the county website without response.  Can someone explain the thinking behind the scheduling of league games less than 24 hours after the Down game.  Perhaps some consideration of player welfare might help player commitment.

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« Reply #16115 on: June 13, 2018, 12:40:06 PM »
I think this is problem wider than just Antrim in general.

Look at the likes of say Cork/ Armagh/ Meath - massive football counties with decent tradition and they have no chance utterly no chance of winning the competition that they are entering year on year. How long is it before players realise this too and start to weigh it up and say feck it this isn't worth it.

Thats before you even get the length of the likes of Antrim.

The whole system is flawed completely flawed. We have in every county more players sitting idle because of this system. The whole thing is eating itself and unless it is addressed and sharpish the eliteism will have killed the whole organisation.

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« Reply #16116 on: June 13, 2018, 01:47:36 PM »
Iíve asked this question a number of times on the county website without response.  Can someone explain the thinking behind the scheduling of league games less than 24 hours after the Down game.  Perhaps some consideration of player welfare might help player commitment.

Considering the effort put in, I'd say they were fit enough for the club matches  ;)

2% of the players controlling the games, managers playing their star players could give the others ago and bring on the rest if needs be?
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« Reply #16117 on: June 13, 2018, 02:25:52 PM »
Iíve asked this question a number of times on the county website without response.  Can someone explain the thinking behind the scheduling of league games less than 24 hours after the Down game.  Perhaps some consideration of player welfare might help player commitment.

Considering the effort put in, I'd say they were fit enough for the club matches  ;)

2% of the players controlling the games, managers playing their star players could give the others ago and bring on the rest if needs be?


There you have it, utter and complete lack of respect in one post. Sacrificed there lives from January for Antrim, regardless of how it went, and for the fixtures committee not to have even the slightest awareness of player welfare is beyond contempt. Give respect, get respect my arse.

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« Reply #16118 on: June 13, 2018, 04:31:40 PM »
Iíve asked this question a number of times on the county website without response.  Can someone explain the thinking behind the scheduling of league games less than 24 hours after the Down game.  Perhaps some consideration of player welfare might help player commitment.

Considering the effort put in, I'd say they were fit enough for the club matches  ;)

2% of the players controlling the games, managers playing their star players could give the others ago and bring on the rest if needs be?


There you have it, utter and complete lack of respect in one post. Sacrificed there lives from January for Antrim, regardless of how it went, and for the fixtures committee not to have even the slightest awareness of player welfare is beyond contempt. Give respect, get respect my arse.

And you never got my post at all, I'm taking the piss with my first line ya muppet
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« Reply #16119 on: June 13, 2018, 09:17:14 PM »
I asked a member of the county fixtures about it last season and he told me that it was they could fit them in, taking both codes into account, availability of refs and other commitments. Itís not an easy task Iíd say, one that I wouldnít want to be honest.

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« Reply #16120 on: June 13, 2018, 10:20:02 PM »
Iíve asked this question a number of times on the county website without response.  Can someone explain the thinking behind the scheduling of league games less than 24 hours after the Down game.  Perhaps some consideration of player welfare might help player commitment.

Considering the effort put in, I'd say they were fit enough for the club matches  ;)

2% of the players controlling the games, managers playing their star players could give the others ago and bring on the rest if needs be?


There you have it, utter and complete lack of respect in one post. Sacrificed there lives from January for Antrim, regardless of how it went, and for the fixtures committee not to have even the slightest awareness of player welfare is beyond contempt. Give respect, get respect my arse.

And you never got my post at all, I'm taking the piss with my first line ya muppet

Iíll assume that ďbring on the rest if needs beĒ was also a piss take.  To have a situation where players and/or clubs are having to make a decision whether to play two games in 24 hours is pathetic.

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« Reply #16121 on: June 13, 2018, 10:36:06 PM »
Iíve asked this question a number of times on the county website without response.  Can someone explain the thinking behind the scheduling of league games less than 24 hours after the Down game.  Perhaps some consideration of player welfare might help player commitment.

Considering the effort put in, I'd say they were fit enough for the club matches  ;)

2% of the players controlling the games, managers playing their star players could give the others ago and bring on the rest if needs be?


There you have it, utter and complete lack of respect in one post. Sacrificed there lives from January for Antrim, regardless of how it went, and for the fixtures committee not to have even the slightest awareness of player welfare is beyond contempt. Give respect, get respect my arse.

And you never got my post at all, I'm taking the piss with my first line ya muppet

Iíll assume that ďbring on the rest if needs beĒ was also a piss take.  To have a situation where players and/or clubs are having to make a decision whether to play two games in 24 hours is pathetic.

You point of view is pathetic! Player welfare? Players are far more conditioned nowadays than ever before, and more aware of their bodyís limits.. if a player plays when heís not fit then heís daft and so is his manager for playing him!

Clubs at senior level should be using the squad, if you think the leagues are top of the list then youíre deluded.. championship is the be and end all.. plus why should 99% of club players sit around every year waiting on one/two players from their club so they get can actually play?
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« Reply #16122 on: June 14, 2018, 09:11:45 AM »
Iíve asked this question a number of times on the county website without response.  Can someone explain the thinking behind the scheduling of league games less than 24 hours after the Down game.  Perhaps some consideration of player welfare might help player commitment.

Considering the effort put in, I'd say they were fit enough for the club matches  ;)

2% of the players controlling the games, managers playing their star players could give the others ago and bring on the rest if needs be?


There you have it, utter and complete lack of respect in one post. Sacrificed there lives from January for Antrim, regardless of how it went, and for the fixtures committee not to have even the slightest awareness of player welfare is beyond contempt. Give respect, get respect my arse.

And you never got my post at all, I'm taking the piss with my first line ya muppet

Iíll assume that ďbring on the rest if needs beĒ was also a piss take.  To have a situation where players and/or clubs are having to make a decision whether to play two games in 24 hours is pathetic.

You point of view is pathetic! Player welfare? Players are far more conditioned nowadays than ever before, and more aware of their bodyís limits.. if a player plays when heís not fit then heís daft and so is his manager for playing him!

Clubs at senior level should be using the squad, if you think the leagues are top of the list then youíre deluded.. championship is the be and end all.. plus why should 99% of club players sit around every year waiting on one/two players from their club so they get can actually play?

I wasnít suggesting that they should sit around. My point is about less than 24 hours. That round of games could have been played the following Wednesday without any impact on county preparations for the qualifier game.  Everyone gets their matches and county players get a reasonable break.
If you are suggesting that county players do not play certain league games, put the proposal properly to clubs instead of putting it in the hands of individual players. 

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« Reply #16123 on: June 14, 2018, 11:04:17 AM »
We did it before and probably never give it a chance, it was called starred games and non starred games, and with the way things are going with the games coming so quick it may not be the worst idea, bring in play offs so that all the teams will have their one or two county players back and that will  help come deciding the leagues..

 but spare me player welfare, burn out.. With no strength and conditioning done back in the day an average dual player was out possibly (or more) 3 games a week, plus training! Squads need to use all of its players, county players can opt out if they feel tired, looking to the strength of your squad can help come the buisness end of things.

With the name AntrimRealist, AntrimNegative sounds better ;)  we cant keep holding up all the games to suit county players, there are set nights for all the teams, not just senior, all the underage hurling/football, ladies and reserve teams need to be playing. We've only so many pitches and time slots plus referees to fit that all in, its a lot harder I'd imagine as PJ has said earlier to organise than you think

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« Reply #16124 on: June 14, 2018, 11:25:27 AM »
It's a thankless task. Some clubs have only 1 pitch and take into consideration that clubs offer Football, Hurling, Camogie & Ladies Football from Un8 right up to senior, only so many hours in the day and days of the week.