The Many Faces of US Politics...

[HiMucker]

Bad Gyal Ting 🇯🇲 (@lovelo_xoxo) Tweeted:
STAY WOKE!!! They had a brick trying to cause destruction. #TampaProtest https://t.co/S0apXO4W0p


Antifa caught hijacking BLM protest

Fair fucks to that lady.

is covid gone now how come the news channels have quit talking about it ? They don't want to call out protesters/rioters gutless pieces of shit ,Sacramento kings broadcaster was forced to resign for tweeting all lives matter it's pretty f$$ked up world when that is an outrageous statement.

1. I don't know about where you are, but there's plenty of fretting and discussion here in NY about the potential effects of the protests and riots on the COVID outbreak. Fact is though that the protests and riots are bigger news at the moment. COVID has been with us for months and it still be with us when things settle down.

2. That broadcaster was asked what he thought about BLM by a player and responded with All Lives Matter. From the little bit I read it sounded like he was bated into his response; Cousins was expecting it, I guess, based on past interactions. And All Lives Matter IS an inflammatory response. Its meant to invalidate or dismiss BLM. BLM has never been about "only black lives matter". The whole point is "black lives matter TOO!". All Lives Matter is the response of those who don't want to hear about the problems black people have suffered with the authorities. The broadcaster was an idiot.
I'm sure he'll be all right though and secure a gig on Fox News or somewhere else on the right wing white victimhood media

thats what you think it means I don't ,

Really? Some of the posts on here are extremely revealing. You might as well say "I don't know why black people are complaining, they are treated the same as everyone else". Which is obviously balls to any right thinking individual. "Black lives matter" means exactly what J70 has said it means, and thats how it's interpreted all round the world by anyone who has a shred of empathy.

[whitey]

Josh Caplan (@joshdcaplan) Tweeted:
Road Rage: Man with 'Wolverine Claw' Confronts Teens Who Reportedly Threw Objects at His Car https://t.co/SNePv2ekfo

J70....this guy is from your neck of the woods. Is he a mate of yours?

[J70]

Josh Caplan (@joshdcaplan) Tweeted:
Road Rage: Man with 'Wolverine Claw' Confronts Teens Who Reportedly Threw Objects at His Car https://t.co/SNePv2ekfo

J70....this guy is from your neck of the woods. Is he a mate of yours?

Guy looks deranged. What the f**k was that weapon?? Why would you have something like that in your car??

No doubt mouthing off at the teenage protesters, they throw something at him in response, then he does a ridiculous u-turn on a busy flyover (I know it well) and chases a bunch of sixteen year old girls and boys with some bizarre knife array.

[Gmac]

Bad Gyal Ting 🇯🇲 (@lovelo_xoxo) Tweeted:
STAY WOKE!!! They had a brick trying to cause destruction. #TampaProtest https://t.co/S0apXO4W0p


Antifa caught hijacking BLM protest

Fair fucks to that lady.

is covid gone now how come the news channels have quit talking about it ? They don't want to call out protesters/rioters gutless pieces of shit ,Sacramento kings broadcaster was forced to resign for tweeting all lives matter it's pretty f$$ked up world when that is an outrageous statement.

1. I don't know about where you are, but there's plenty of fretting and discussion here in NY about the potential effects of the protests and riots on the COVID outbreak. Fact is though that the protests and riots are bigger news at the moment. COVID has been with us for months and it still be with us when things settle down.

2. That broadcaster was asked what he thought about BLM by a player and responded with All Lives Matter. From the little bit I read it sounded like he was bated into his response; Cousins was expecting it, I guess, based on past interactions. And All Lives Matter IS an inflammatory response. Its meant to invalidate or dismiss BLM. BLM has never been about "only black lives matter". The whole point is "black lives matter TOO!". All Lives Matter is the response of those who don't want to hear about the problems black people have suffered with the authorities. The broadcaster was an idiot.
I'm sure he'll be all right though and secure a gig on Fox News or somewhere else on the right wing white victimhood media

thats what you think it means I don't ,

Really? Some of the posts on here are extremely revealing. You might as well say "I don't know why black people are complaining, they are treated the same as everyone else". Which is obviously balls to any right thinking individual. "Black lives matter" means exactly what J70 has said it means, and thats how it's interpreted all round the world by anyone who has a shred of empathy.

but not all black lives matter either, have you heard about the black federal agent shot dead in Oakland Friday night or the 77 year old ex police chief shot in the head in St. Louis Monday night ? I think you are in Ireland honest question have you heard about these two men .

[J70]

Bad Gyal Ting 🇯🇲 (@lovelo_xoxo) Tweeted:
STAY WOKE!!! They had a brick trying to cause destruction. #TampaProtest https://t.co/S0apXO4W0p


Antifa caught hijacking BLM protest

Fair fucks to that lady.

is covid gone now how come the news channels have quit talking about it ? They don't want to call out protesters/rioters gutless pieces of shit ,Sacramento kings broadcaster was forced to resign for tweeting all lives matter it's pretty f$$ked up world when that is an outrageous statement.

1. I don't know about where you are, but there's plenty of fretting and discussion here in NY about the potential effects of the protests and riots on the COVID outbreak. Fact is though that the protests and riots are bigger news at the moment. COVID has been with us for months and it still be with us when things settle down.

2. That broadcaster was asked what he thought about BLM by a player and responded with All Lives Matter. From the little bit I read it sounded like he was bated into his response; Cousins was expecting it, I guess, based on past interactions. And All Lives Matter IS an inflammatory response. Its meant to invalidate or dismiss BLM. BLM has never been about "only black lives matter". The whole point is "black lives matter TOO!". All Lives Matter is the response of those who don't want to hear about the problems black people have suffered with the authorities. The broadcaster was an idiot.
I'm sure he'll be all right though and secure a gig on Fox News or somewhere else on the right wing white victimhood media

thats what you think it means I don't ,

Really? Some of the posts on here are extremely revealing. You might as well say "I don't know why black people are complaining, they are treated the same as everyone else". Which is obviously balls to any right thinking individual. "Black lives matter" means exactly what J70 has said it means, and thats how it's interpreted all round the world by anyone who has a shred of empathy.

but not all black lives matter either, have you heard about the black federal agent shot dead in Oakland Friday night or the 77 year old ex police chief shot in the head in St. Louis Monday night ? I think you are in Ireland honest question have you heard about these two men .

Who says their lives didn't matter?

Will there be a reluctance on the part of the authorities to hold those responsible accountable?

[Gmac]

Bad Gyal Ting 🇯🇲 (@lovelo_xoxo) Tweeted:
STAY WOKE!!! They had a brick trying to cause destruction. #TampaProtest https://t.co/S0apXO4W0p


Antifa caught hijacking BLM protest

Fair fucks to that lady.

is covid gone now how come the news channels have quit talking about it ? They don't want to call out protesters/rioters gutless pieces of shit ,Sacramento kings broadcaster was forced to resign for tweeting all lives matter it's pretty f$$ked up world when that is an outrageous statement.

1. I don't know about where you are, but there's plenty of fretting and discussion here in NY about the potential effects of the protests and riots on the COVID outbreak. Fact is though that the protests and riots are bigger news at the moment. COVID has been with us for months and it still be with us when things settle down.

2. That broadcaster was asked what he thought about BLM by a player and responded with All Lives Matter. From the little bit I read it sounded like he was bated into his response; Cousins was expecting it, I guess, based on past interactions. And All Lives Matter IS an inflammatory response. Its meant to invalidate or dismiss BLM. BLM has never been about "only black lives matter". The whole point is "black lives matter TOO!". All Lives Matter is the response of those who don't want to hear about the problems black people have suffered with the authorities. The broadcaster was an idiot.
I'm sure he'll be all right though and secure a gig on Fox News or somewhere else on the right wing white victimhood media

thats what you think it means I don't ,

Really? Some of the posts on here are extremely revealing. You might as well say "I don't know why black people are complaining, they are treated the same as everyone else". Which is obviously balls to any right thinking individual. "Black lives matter" means exactly what J70 has said it means, and thats how it's interpreted all round the world by anyone who has a shred of empathy.

but not all black lives matter either, have you heard about the black federal agent shot dead in Oakland Friday night or the 77 year old ex police chief shot in the head in St. Louis Monday night ? I think you are in Ireland honest question have you heard about these two men .

Who says their lives didn't matter?

Will there be a reluctance on the part of the authorities to hold those responsible accountable?

i think we should all start singing imagine.

[Eamonnca1]

Bad Gyal Ting 🇯🇲 (@lovelo_xoxo) Tweeted:
STAY WOKE!!! They had a brick trying to cause destruction. #TampaProtest https://t.co/S0apXO4W0p


Antifa caught hijacking BLM protest

Fair fucks to that lady.

is covid gone now how come the news channels have quit talking about it ? They don't want to call out protesters/rioters gutless pieces of shit ,Sacramento kings broadcaster was forced to resign for tweeting all lives matter it's pretty f$$ked up world when that is an outrageous statement.

If you can't see what's wrong with the "All lives matter" bullshit then there's probably not much anyone can do for you.

[Eamonnca1]

Let's see our resident Trump fans defend this bit of driving by one of their own in San Jose last night, about five blocks from my home:

https://www.facebook.com/noe.palomino/videos/10222745820772469/

[Eamonnca1]

Sid - while I admire your stance but it is more complex than that.

To just say 'I am wrong' and then tar millions of people with the same brush with no evidence is 'wrong'.

Im no Trump supporter and the biggest issue in the US right now is Police brutality & racism - period.

You can surely see the violent protestors is pushing people towards Trump?

Regarding who was voted in last time - perhaps given the choices Clinton or Trump - it means that many voted as the least worst in their eyes - not that every single one of them was racist?

Hillary Clinton was not a racist, fascist demagogue. Neither is Joe Biden. Each is problematic in their own way but very much within a normal frame of reference and each was/is unquestionably a better option than a racist, fascist demagogue. Jacques Chirac was problematic within a normal frame of reference in 2002 but was unquestionably a better option than the racist, fascist demagogue Jean Marie Le Pen. Similarly with Emmanuel Macron over Le Pen's daughter in 2017.

People don't get "pushed" into voting for Trump. That's an excuse for giving in to their own bigotry. If they vote for Trump it's because they're happy to accept a racist, fascist demagogue in the White House.

Do you accept there is significant interference being run here by far right agent provocateurs to turn protests violent?

That's a naked attack on the right of the black community to protest. It's telling the black community - "if you protest, we will interfere to make things violent with the express aim of deligitimising and demonising you". I'm sure you can see the problem for democracy there.

Which is a much, much more important story than some hangers on going too far and looting some shops. Maybe not for people who have a predisposition to vote for a racist, fascist demagogue.

We rightly say white America has never come to terms with its original sin. It has never dealt with its endemic racism, and thus, we have police brutality against black people. What could be more demonstrative of the undealt with endemic racism than mass support for a racist, fascist demagogue? Support for that demagogue is the banality of evil. I'm certain those in Germany who supported Hitler in the 1930s mainly thought of themselves as good people. Most people think of themselves as good people. The majority of Trump supporters would not inflict violence on somebody of an ethnic minority. They're likely polite in person, and capable of compassion. But that's not the point. That's not what everyday racism is. If somebody supports a racist, fascist demagogue, they are giving support to evil. They are participating in the. perpetuation of endemic and vicious racism

Trump literally campaigned on chaos. He is on record as calling for riots and chaos and for things to "go to total hell".

A significant amount of his supporters desire chaos. My evidence is the following.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/04/opinion/trump-voters-chaos.html

Last week, at the annual meeting of the American Political Science Association, the winner of the best paper award in the Political Psychology division was "A 'Need for Chaos' and the Sharing of Hostile Political Rumors in Advanced Democracies."

The paper, which the award panel commended for its "ambitious scope, rigor, and creativity," is the work of Michael Bang Petersen and Mathias Osmundsen, both political scientists at Aarhus University in Denmark, and Kevin Arceneaux, a political scientist at Temple.

It argues that a segment of the American electorate that was once peripheral is drawn to "chaos incitement" and that this segment has gained decisive influence through the rise of social media.

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How do Petersen, Osmundsen and Arceneaux measure this "need for chaos"? They conducted six surveys, four in the United States, in which they interviewed 5157 participants, and two in Denmark, with 1336. They identified those who are "drawn to chaos" through their affirmative responses to the following statements:

I fantasize about a natural disaster wiping out most of humanity such that a small group of people can start all over.

I think society should be burned to the ground.

When I think about our political and social institutions, I cannot help thinking "just let them all burn."

We cannot fix the problems in our social institutions, we need to tear them down and start over.

Sometimes I just feel like destroying beautiful things.

In an email, Petersen wrote that preliminary examination of the data shows "that the 'need for chaos' correlates positively with sympathy for Trump but also — although less strongly — with sympathy for Sanders. It correlates negatively with sympathy for Hillary Clinton." (After publication of this column, Petersen asked to clarify his comment. "The information given in the above quote," he said, "solely reflected an initial interpretation of a preliminary analysis, which is not part of the research on which the column is based.")

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https://www.rawstory.com/2019/09/trumps-hardcore-fans-crave-chaos-and-think-society-should-be-burned-to-the-ground-political-scientists/

The study's authors — political scientists Michael Bang Petersen and Mathias Osmundsen of Aarhus University in Denmark, and Kevin Arceneaux of Temple University — found that Trump supporters were far more likely than other voters to be sympathetic toward statements such as "I fantasize about a natural disaster wiping out most of humanity such that a small group of people can start all over" and "I think society should be burned to the ground."

These views are a minority among voters, the authors claim, but they nonetheless have "incredible amounts of support" among the general population. In fact, the study found that 24 percent of all 6,000-plus people surveyed said they believed society "should be burned to the ground."

You know what I find hilarious? The people who go on the most about "personal responsibility" and who won't accept any other explanation for crime (poverty, income inequality, discrimination, etc.) are the same people who refuse to take responsibility for voting for Trump and other racist candidates. It's the "Oh but the nasty liburl meeja made me do it because I read something in the Washington Post and it made me cry" defense.  It'd sicken your hole listening to them. They'll use any excuse to justify their racism, and they sure as shit won't take "personal responsibility" for it. Just like they accused Obama of being divisive by provoking their racism with that unreasonably dark skin of his.

This conservative victimhood act is pathetic.

[sid waddell]

So 24% of 6,000 people thought this........just over 1400.

And this study is linked to the 65m who voted for Trump? Right so.

I get you despise Trump and everything he stands for but there are other things at work here.

Is Trump to blame for the Rodney King riots?
What about the King assassination riots?

62.9 million voted for Trump, that's if you're to believe all his votes were actually legitimate ones.

The point of political science studies and polling is to extrapolate the views of larger groups of people by using representative sampling. And despite what some people might claim, it generally works very well.

You'll have to expand when you say that "there are other things at work here", I don't know what you mean by that.

I'm not sure what function your last two questions serve.

Amazingly enough, there was also massive and righteous anger felt within the black community after MLK was murdered and after the Rodney King verdict.

The same injustice and the same fights continue. Nothing has changed - except that in 1968 and 1992 there weren't presidents who were publicly mobilising white America to act as a racist lynch mob. There is in 2020.

[sid waddell]

You know what I find hilarious? The people who go on the most about "personal responsibility" and who won't accept any other explanation for crime (poverty, income inequality, discrimination, etc.) are the same people who refuse to take responsibility for voting for Trump and other racist candidates. It's the "Oh but the nasty liburl meeja made me do it because I read something in the Washington Post and it made me cry" defense.  It'd sicken your hole listening to them. They'll use any excuse to justify their racism, and they sure as shit won't take "personal responsibility" for it. Just like they accused Obama of being divisive by provoking their racism with that unreasonably dark skin of his.

This conservative victimhood act is pathetic.

Obama being "too black"? File under "legitimate grievances".

Fascism has always been kitsch and camp. And it has always been filled with paranoid neuroticisms. It is mass projection of insecurities and weaknesses. Among those who carry it out, it is mass projection of criminal behaviour.

It also has a bizarre sort of sexual frustration aspect to it which is tied in with the above.

It's like performance art where people whose whole self identity is tied up in their own worthlessness and sense of inadequacy effectively masturbate in public about being caricatures of what they imagine alpha males to be.

There was a terrible air of sexual inadequacy about that vomit inducing photo op Trump did where he "marched" out of the White House. It was like he was publicly airing his intractable inner conflict. He knows he's a pathetically weak and cowardly man, who is deeply embarrassed about people rightly seeing him as such, especially after the hiding in a bunker, so he staged a creepy, neeurotic and deeply camp set piece to try and convince himself, more than anybody else, that he is strong, masculine, like Vladimir Putin topless on horseback, because that's what he imagines "masculinity" (raaaarrrr) to be (nobody with a functioning brain does).

And I've read few online posts from Trump supporters where it doesn't come across as if they are masturbating furiously behind their keyboard in a similar neurotic, fantastical fashion.

And yet, despite the fantasies of being "strong men" of Trump and his supporters, the fake victimhood complex is ever present, front and centre.

Fake victimhood being about the least masculine and most cowardly, pathetic and weak character trait one can think of.

[sid waddell]

I see James Mattis is now a "loony left communist crackpot" or a "cuck", depending on which term of abuse you prefer.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/06/james-mattis-denounces-trump-protests-militarization/612640/

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/03/james-mattis-comdemns-trump-george-floyd-protests

I love the way Trump supporters use the word "cuck".

It's perfect representation of their projection of sexual inadequacy I was talking about in my previous post.

[Gabriel_Hurl]

Quite appropriate

"Most of the forces here in the riot gear, they're from the Bureau of Prisons. In essence ... the White House is now being guarded by prison guards," @MarquardtA says on CNN.

https://twitter.com/oliverdarcy/status/1268327551929389058

[J70]

"Mad Dog" Mattis, as Trump used to call him, has now left the reservation?

I recall him demuring last year when he brought out a book, saying that it wasn't proper to have a go at sitting presidents.

[sid waddell]

Mattis invoked the Nazis in his Atlantic article about Trump.

I'd like a few apologies from a few people for them ridiculing me invoking the Nazis about Trump.

His original Defense Secretary is now doing so.

Let me guess the excuses here from the usual suspects:

"DISGRUNTLED EX-EMPLOYEE!" (funny how they didn't use that one about the ludicrous Biden rape allegation)

"HE'S JUST JEALOUS OF TRUMP'S SUPERDOOPERMAGASUCCESS WITHOUT HIM!"

"HE HATES AMERICA!"

"MAD DOG? TOTAL PUSSY!"



Thread:

https://twitter.com/sarahkendzior/status/1268331239645347845

Sarah Kendzior
@sarahkendzior
Amazing the way pundits tip-toe around using words like "fascism" or "authoritarianism" even now. Because you know who DIDN'T hesitate to use those terms in 2016? Actual scholars of authoritarianism, who agreed that Trump was an aspiring autocrat and that democracy was in danger.

The pundits who proclaimed scholars warning of authoritarianism to be "alarmists" are equivalent to flat-earthers who denounce scientists. That's how unambiguous the warnings of the scholars were, and that's how ignorant the pundits were -- and, in many cases, still are.

Do you know how rare it is for a large group of PhDs to agree on anything?! But in 2016, scholars of varied disciplines, regional specializations, and political orientations all agreed on the threat of Trump. We spoke out, loudly, to a receptive public and a vacuous elite.

Scholars of authoritarianism weren't alone. People who lived in authoritarian states said the same thing. The targets of Trump -- ethnic and religious minorities who had already endured autocratic policies in the US -- called it out too. As did many with simple common sense.

Complicity, denial, selfishness -- take your pick, you needed a LOT of it to not see this threat coming. Why they refuse to do so is a serious question. Academics should study the "good Germans" dominating our media and political institutions. They continue to inflict great harm.