Brexit.

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armaghniac

Quote from: sensethetone on February 22, 2021, 12:40:39 PM
Sam McBride's view on it was, Boris J. would have to take in lawyers to parliament to defend a border in the Irish sea- which Boris also maintains doesn't exist.

it isn't a border, it is a differential application of UK tax and health regulations .
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

johnnycool

Quote from: sensethetone on February 22, 2021, 12:40:39 PM
Sam McBride's view on it was, Boris J. would have to take in lawyers to parliament to defend a border in the Irish sea- which Boris also maintains doesn't exist.

boris and the torys don't give one shíte for the law as can be seen by how Matt Hancock is still in his position after being found to have broken the law..

Who's paying the DUP/UUP/TUV legal fees?

sensethetone

Quote from: johnnycool on February 22, 2021, 04:10:32 PM
Quote from: sensethetone on February 22, 2021, 12:40:39 PM
Sam McBride's view on it was, Boris J. would have to take in lawyers to parliament to defend a border in the Irish sea- which Boris also maintains doesn't exist.

boris and the torys don't give one shíte for the law as can be seen by how Matt Hancock is still in his position after being found to have broken the law..

Who's paying the DUP/UUP/TUV legal fees?

Can't imagine the Scottish Tories or Leave.EU giving a crap, maybe the guy who gives you a bigger back garden? If Jim Allister drops the case against the hotel near the Gaints Causeway it would be suspicious.


Main Street

The Isle of Man is distancing itself from the UK and striking a bespoke fishing deal with the EU, seriously peeing off the Tory government.
Apparently Boris and his crew were ignorant about  IoM not actually being in the EU but just enjoyed EU benefits  due to having a relationship with the UK.
The IoM did not vote in the Brexit referendum.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/isle-of-man-jettisons-itself-from-uk-to-secure-fishing-agreement-with-eu-222046/

Isle of Man's chief minister Howard Quayle

Speaking in the Tynwald, he said without access for EU boats in Manx waters there would be difficulty exporting island goods, making it a no-brainer for such an export-reliant industry.

He added: "I know that some people would have wanted a future where no foreign vessels were able to fish in our waters.

"If we had refused access to this limited number of EU vessels and as a result had not secured the goods part of the deal, Manx-caught products would have been subject to tariffs when sold into Europe."

Mr Quayle added on the fisheries arrangements with the EU: "We will have the right to license these vessels and manage our waters in a way that puts sustainability of our waters, and our industry, at its heart."


bennydorano

Quote from: trailer on February 24, 2021, 12:25:04 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 23, 2021, 02:31:02 PM
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2020/12/22/transition-period-almost-over-51-40-britons-think-

Hard to believe that 1 out of every 10 remain voters now think it was right to leave the EU.
Shows the difference some really poor Politicing makes, the Economic self harm argument remains exactly the same.

five points

Quote from: bennydorano on February 24, 2021, 04:01:37 PM
Shows the difference some really poor Politicing makes, the Economic self harm argument remains exactly the same.

Has the EU's vaccination nightmare not punctured a large hole in that argument?

bennydorano



Quote from: five points on February 24, 2021, 04:25:21 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on February 24, 2021, 04:01:37 PM
Shows the difference some really poor Politicing makes, the Economic self harm argument remains exactly the same.

Has the EU's vaccination nightmare not punctured a large hole in that argument?
Up for debate but likely a temporary blip in the grand Economic scheme. The main Economic argument was / is cutting yourself off from the single market and the friction that that will bring, the trade deal is a piss poor replacement.

five points

Quote from: bennydorano on February 24, 2021, 04:32:32 PM
Up for debate but likely a temporary blip in the grand Economic scheme. The main Economic argument was / is cutting yourself off from the single market and the friction that that will bring, the trade deal is a piss poor replacement.

I know but it also relied upon the assumption that the single market was being run competently. This assumption is now weaker than it was at Christmas.

lenny

Quote from: five points on February 24, 2021, 04:25:21 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on February 24, 2021, 04:01:37 PM
Shows the difference some really poor Politicing makes, the Economic self harm argument remains exactly the same.

Has the EU's vaccination nightmare not punctured a large hole in that argument?

The EU is expected to have caught up or overtaken the Uk by September/ October. Also the EU will have generally used the Pfizer vaccine which seems to be more effective than the Oxford one particularly against the variants. Because of that the EU could be in a better position by the autumn.

Main Street

There's no evidence that anything vaccine related has affected Scotland's overwhelming majority  in favor of a return to the EU.
All the pomp about the vaccine distribution  is also designed to mask a disastrous leadership during the pandemic by the Brexit mob, which wasn't appreciated in Scotland.
On everything covid related, Nicola  left Johnson well behind in the dust.  In fact Johnson tried to rally attention to the Brexit cause recently when visiting a vaccine centre in Scotland, ended up bumbling around the lab getting in the way and making an idiot of himself. He was publicly censured by Nicola. when she deigned to  pay scant notice to his visit.

clonadmad

Quote from: five points on February 24, 2021, 04:25:21 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on February 24, 2021, 04:01:37 PM
Shows the difference some really poor Politicing makes, the Economic self harm argument remains exactly the same.

Has the EU's vaccination nightmare not punctured a large hole in that argument?

Ni Fully vaccinated 31,000

Republic Fully vaccinated 113,291

I know maths don't tend to be a strong point of Unionism or suit the narrative the likes of Paisley are peddling

But it looks like NI is lagging behind in the number of Fully vaccinated in comparison to the Republic

Rossfan

Did 5 Points expect a load of EU Countties to apply to join the "U"K? ;D
I know 3 that won't anyway!

Brits strategy seems to be to give everyone a 1st jab ASAP and get round to no2 at some stage.
A relation in England is getting her Jab Friday but 2nd one not till end of May.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

bennydorano

Quote from: lenny on February 24, 2021, 05:44:35 PM
Quote from: five points on February 24, 2021, 04:25:21 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on February 24, 2021, 04:01:37 PM
Shows the difference some really poor Politicing makes, the Economic self harm argument remains exactly the same.

Has the EU's vaccination nightmare not punctured a large hole in that argument?

The EU is expected to have caught up or overtaken the Uk by September/ October. Also the EU will have generally used the Pfizer vaccine which seems to be more effective than the Oxford one particularly against the variants. Because of that the EU could be in a better position by the autumn.
Caught up by September/October? The UK target is to have completed first jabs in all adults by the end of July with various vaccines, even taking into account the WHO endorsed strategy of 12 week between jabs for the Oxford - that's full completion of the adult population by the end of September.