China Coronavirus

[Milltown Row2]

273 cases in the North today. The biggest daily figure in the 6 Counties since the pandemic began.

Did it quote deaths?

[6th sam]

273 cases in the North today. The biggest daily figure in the 6 Counties since the pandemic began.

Did it quote deaths?

Tbh, I think the quality of the data we get is lazy and often lacks relevance.

The daily increased numbers can be affected by time and day of testing and results, the accuracy of the tests( false positives and negatives) , amount of testing being done , availability of testing etc.

The age profile is relevant , as now more young people are being tested because of increased testing capacity and the fact that they are now more exposed than older generations.

There are several other relevant factors which contextualise the rise in cases.

We must demand more relevant data and evidence based measures to stay on top of the disease whilst not destroying the economy and increasing other preventable health problems .

There are certain easy evidenced-based measures which we can all buy in to : distancing, masks, hygiene , isolation if positive or symptoms, get your flu vaccination, look after your health otherwise. But we must also work hard to keep society functional . This means sensible workable restrictions that take into account the overall welfare of the population not just the direct impact of the virus.
All sensible people I know, feel this is the best approach , why is this voice not being Heard? Is it because right-wing elements have latched on to some of these ideas , in the midst of their other nonsense , therefore undermining them?

[armaghniac]

Tbh, I think the quality of the data we get is lazy and often lacks relevance.

The daily increased numbers can be affected by time and day of testing and results, the accuracy of the tests( false positives and negatives) , amount of testing being done , availability of testing etc.

Testing availability is fairly constant now, if you compare week on week numbers are increasing greatly. Comparisons with March would be flawed.

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There are certain easy evidenced-based measures which we can all buy in to : distancing, masks, hygiene , isolation if positive or symptoms, get your flu vaccination, look after your health otherwise. But we must also work hard to keep society functional . This means sensible workable restrictions that take into account the overall welfare of the population not just the direct impact of the virus.
All sensible people I know, feel this is the best approach , why is this voice not being Heard? Is it because right-wing elements have latched on to some of these ideas , in the midst of their other nonsense , therefore undermining them?

You would think that sensible people would think this, but a large number do not wear masks, they go on golf outings, they do not maintain distance if their team wins the Tyrone championship,  they do not isolate on returning from abroad or when their contacts are tested. The measures in place would probably be sufficient if people actually followed them, but everyone seems to think that these measures are for other people.

[Kidder81]

Yeah there is a larger proportion of the general public than you think will just refuse to be inconvenienced in any way & you won't tell me what to do attitude. Be that wearing a mask, washing your hands, self isolating after holiday etc

The playbook to drive down infection rate is well established here and all other countries, social distancing, wash your hands, masks etc

People aren't doing it

[armaghniac]

The link O'Neill posted about Italy, where people are getting on with things, but they do wear masks, keep their distance etc. This may reflect a recognition of the danger after the scenes earlier in the year of army trucks carrying bodies and relatively young medical staff dying because of their work. So rates in Italy have not increased as quickly as many places, likewise in New York.
Here, with a health service that is stressed at the best of times, many people do not seem to accept there is a problem, or if there is that they personally have any requirement to do anything about it. 

[Fear Bun Na Sceilpe]

The link O'Neill posted about Italy, where people are getting on with things, but they do wear masks, keep their distance etc. This may reflect a recognition of the danger after the scenes earlier in the year of army trucks carrying bodies and relatively young medical staff dying because of their work. So rates in Italy have not increased as quickly as many places, likewise in New York.
Here, with a health service that is stressed at the best of times, many people do not seem to accept there is a problem, or if there is that they personally have any requirement to do anything about it.

What do you expect when your deputy first minister deliberately and publicly broke the law.

[armaghniac]

The link O'Neill posted about Italy, where people are getting on with things, but they do wear masks, keep their distance etc. This may reflect a recognition of the danger after the scenes earlier in the year of army trucks carrying bodies and relatively young medical staff dying because of their work. So rates in Italy have not increased as quickly as many places, likewise in New York.
Here, with a health service that is stressed at the best of times, many people do not seem to accept there is a problem, or if there is that they personally have any requirement to do anything about it.

What do you expect when your deputy first minister deliberately and publicly broke the law.

Many people who would disagree politically with Sammy Wilson or Michelle O'Neill still follow their example.

[Fear Bun Na Sceilpe]

The link O'Neill posted about Italy, where people are getting on with things, but they do wear masks, keep their distance etc. This may reflect a recognition of the danger after the scenes earlier in the year of army trucks carrying bodies and relatively young medical staff dying because of their work. So rates in Italy have not increased as quickly as many places, likewise in New York.
Here, with a health service that is stressed at the best of times, many people do not seem to accept there is a problem, or if there is that they personally have any requirement to do anything about it.

What do you expect when your deputy first minister deliberately and publicly broke the law.

Many people who would disagree politically with Sammy Wilson or Michelle O'Neill still follow their example.

Yeah.

[Rudi]

The timelines for test and trace in the republic is a total ch%t show, waste of time informing close contacts 6 days later.

[Eire90]

a group of anti mask anti 5g people showed up outside rte last night as they thought dr fauci was on late late show and in rte studios

[Blowitupref]

a group of anti mask anti 5g people showed up outside rte last night as they thought dr fauci was on late late show and in rte studios

Highlighting the stupid level of that group of people.

[Mario]

The link O'Neill posted about Italy, where people are getting on with things, but they do wear masks, keep their distance etc. This may reflect a recognition of the danger after the scenes earlier in the year of army trucks carrying bodies and relatively young medical staff dying because of their work. So rates in Italy have not increased as quickly as many places, likewise in New York.
Here, with a health service that is stressed at the best of times, many people do not seem to accept there is a problem, or if there is that they personally have any requirement to do anything about it.

So places where the virus spread like wild fire no longer have high numbers of cases. Do you really think people in NY are obeying the rules better than Ireland? Perhaps rates haven't increased here because there is more immunity from t cells and antibodies in these places. All strict lockdown does is kick the can down the road.

[armaghniac]

In Italy there might be some immunity in Bergamo, but mask wearing etc is still better in areas that had few enough cases. In New York the Orthodox Jews are banjaxing the regulations as they are extremists.

[sid waddell]

The link O'Neill posted about Italy, where people are getting on with things, but they do wear masks, keep their distance etc. This may reflect a recognition of the danger after the scenes earlier in the year of army trucks carrying bodies and relatively young medical staff dying because of their work. So rates in Italy have not increased as quickly as many places, likewise in New York.
Here, with a health service that is stressed at the best of times, many people do not seem to accept there is a problem, or if there is that they personally have any requirement to do anything about it.

So places where the virus spread like wild fire no longer have high numbers of cases. Do you really think people in NY are obeying the rules better than Ireland? Perhaps rates haven't increased here because there is more immunity from t cells and antibodies in these places. All strict lockdown does is kick the can down the road.

What's "the can"?

[armaghniac]

Nothing wrong with kicking the can down the road. As Fauci said to Tubridy, a vaccine s coming and this will greatly help things.