The IRISH RUGBY thread

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Itchy

Quote from: LCohen on November 18, 2018, 09:20:15 PM
Quote from: Itchy on November 18, 2018, 09:14:18 PM
One other thing. Just because rugby tells you November is in Autumn doesn't mean it is!!

What season is it?

Well that is interesting as I always understood November to be winter but a quick Google tells me the world now says it's autumn. However I was chatting with a gang at work other day and we all were agreed it was in winter. So was November ever in winter or what's the story. Are me and my work colleagues all thick and now re- educated by rugby?

LCohen

Quote from: Itchy on November 18, 2018, 09:39:47 PM
Quote from: LCohen on November 18, 2018, 09:20:15 PM
Quote from: Itchy on November 18, 2018, 09:14:18 PM
One other thing. Just because rugby tells you November is in Autumn doesn't mean it is!!

What season is it?

Well that is interesting as I always understood November to be winter but a quick Google tells me the world now says it's autumn. However I was chatting with a gang at work other day and we all were agreed it was in winter. So was November ever in winter or what's the story. Are me and my work colleagues all thick and now re- educated by rugby?

Self diagnosis can be dangerous but not always inaccurate

bennydorano

Never ever heard November referred to as a Winter month. Similar with February, lot of chat about Spring but it ain't Spring either.

Itchy

Everything I've ever known is a lie. I fell like I'm in the Truman show.

Lar Naparka

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 18, 2018, 08:47:45 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 18, 2018, 08:28:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 18, 2018, 06:45:55 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 18, 2018, 06:07:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 18, 2018, 01:19:13 PM
Quote from: Hardy on November 18, 2018, 01:10:12 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 18, 2018, 11:34:35 AM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on November 18, 2018, 10:56:49 AM
Am I wrong in thinking Rory Best is a weak link in that team?

Only in the minds of some Leinster and Munster people.

Cronin has some extra speed but his line outs last night prevented Ireland putting up quite a score on NZ.

Best is still the best option in terms of experience, all round game and leadership.  Look how many times he was into the ruck with O'Mahoney, how well he led the scrum and how he took the right decisions for the team.

When Sexton, he who would be captain, wanted to go again for the line out at the end of the first half, Best told him to take the score, impetuous Sexton wasn't pleased but those 3 points made it a two score game for a long time and made it more difficult for NZ.  That's what you get with Best, he may not be the best hooker but he brings much more to the team than Cronin, Scannell or Herring.

Fair play to Toner on last nights performance given being out of favour as first choice for a while.



I wouldn't know much about lineouts but it seemed to me that Cronin threw the ball exactly where he was supposed to for both lineouts that were lost. In both cases, NZ out-jumped the receiver, which wasn't happening when Toner and O'Mahony were on.

I don't know much about being a rugby captain either and leadership is an intangible concept, but Best seems to have it in abundance and more than his rivals for the hooker position. If it were not for that I'd say Cronin would be the first choice.

So by your own admission, you don't know much
???
Am I missing something?
I see nowt wrong with what Hardy observations here. Dunno about Cronin being first choice but the rest is spot on.

So if Best throws them he'd be throwing them to the right place?  And those in the line out don't catch them?

I don't think Ireland are great at line outs regardless of Toner or not. But Best isn't just there to do lineouts, but most of what you said is right, you don't know much  ;)
Geez, what am I to make of that? Best is also the pack leader and for anyone on the sideline, it can be difficult to know what goes on out on the field at times but Best fits the job description to a tee- he never goes up exhorting his colleagues and he leads from the front- all the time. Best certainly isn't just there to throw in the ball. He does an above average job at that and at every other facet of the game as well.
However, I don't see any point in nit picking or ballbagging either.
It was an historic win and let's just take it for what it's worth.

This was about Hardys post admitting he knew nothing lineouts etc... while at the same time giving an opinion on having Best on the team! Clearly more intelligent people on the sport (the manager) feel he's more important and a better player overall than the other replacements..

This is a result business and Ireland are number 2 beating the number 1 team if he was wrong and results went against him he'd know about it! Plus people with limited knowledge (like myself btw) will look at Best as the weak link!
Ah, I see what you mean now. Fair enough.
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macdanger2

Quote from: Itchy on November 18, 2018, 09:39:47 PM
Quote from: LCohen on November 18, 2018, 09:20:15 PM
Quote from: Itchy on November 18, 2018, 09:14:18 PM
One other thing. Just because rugby tells you November is in Autumn doesn't mean it is!!

What season is it?

Well that is interesting as I always understood November to be winter but a quick Google tells me the world now says it's autumn. However I was chatting with a gang at work other day and we all were agreed it was in winter. So was November ever in winter or what's the story. Are me and my work colleagues all thick and now re- educated by rugby?

Traditionally in Celtic Ireland, November was seen as being the beginning of winter - as evidenced by October being named "Deireadh Fomhar"

Cunny Funt

Do New Zealand call theses challenges "spring Internationals" seeing that its late spring over there?


Dolph1

While beating New Zealand is an achievement it still doesn't hide the fact that the win is tainted by using foreign mercenaries to achieve the result. You can't really call it an 'Irish" win when you're stacking your team with lads who have no actual ties to the country they play for.
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Milltown Row2

Quote from: Dolph1 on November 18, 2018, 10:59:20 PM
While beating New Zealand is an achievement it still doesn't hide the fact that the win is tainted by using foreign mercenaries to achieve the result. You can't really call it an 'Irish" win when you're stacking your team with lads who have no actual ties to the country they play for.

Do you apply that logic to all sports within Ireland that have 'foreigners' ?
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

rodney trotter

England have a much bigger pick in Rugby and they have players from Tonga, Samoa and NZ. The rules are their so Ireland and others take advantage of it. They should change the eligibility rule to 5 years instead of 3. Bundee Aki was probaly never in Ireland before, and 3 years later he was an Ireland International.

Itchy

Quote from: macdanger2 on November 18, 2018, 10:39:01 PM
Quote from: Itchy on November 18, 2018, 09:39:47 PM
Quote from: LCohen on November 18, 2018, 09:20:15 PM
Quote from: Itchy on November 18, 2018, 09:14:18 PM
One other thing. Just because rugby tells you November is in Autumn doesn't mean it is!!

What season is it?

Well that is interesting as I always understood November to be winter but a quick Google tells me the world now says it's autumn. However I was chatting with a gang at work other day and we all were agreed it was in winter. So was November ever in winter or what's the story. Are me and my work colleagues all thick and now re- educated by rugby?

Traditionally in Celtic Ireland, November was seen as being the beginning of winter - as evidenced by October being named "Deireadh Fomhar"

Ah that makes sense now. I'm a celt and rugby heads aren't

Dougal Maguire

Quote from: yellowcard on November 18, 2018, 08:35:50 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 18, 2018, 08:25:36 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 18, 2018, 08:18:44 PM
Quote from: LCohen on November 18, 2018, 07:56:14 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 18, 2018, 07:52:02 PM
Those claiming that McKenna is a tit, an idiot, a ball bag and a clown are only doing so because they disagree with him. Which is fine. However McKenna is an excellent journalist and whilst I don't always agree with him, he never takes the populist approach and is willing to ask the hard questions that a proper journalist should. Some people mightn't always like this as it is human nature to want to join in with the team that is winning but the likes of McKenna and Kimmage are rarely ever too far off the mark either.

Rather than attack McKenna with personal insults it would be better if the points he raised were dissected and debunked where relevant. It's easy to join in with the mob and particularly in the aftermath of a victory like last nights but it doesn't make some of the points that he made in last weeks article any less relevant.

Post 7327

Fair enough, that was one of his points and one I would disagree with him on. But it's not enough for me to think he is an idiot either.

He did make some other good points about player welfare, player nationality and the medicalisation of the sport that media and former players ever rarely get asked about.


For players nationally, is he consistent across all sports?

I honestly don't know but few other other sports define nationality so loosely. Cricket possibly.

Personally I don't think Aki, Stander or Van der Flier should be playing in a green jersey. They aren't Irish and have no bloodline connection with the country. Other than being bought by a provincial side to make a living here, they would be lining out for their own countries.

However those are the rules even if I strongly disagree with them.
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CornerBackNo2

Quote from: Dougal Maguire on November 18, 2018, 11:40:27 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 18, 2018, 08:35:50 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 18, 2018, 08:25:36 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 18, 2018, 08:18:44 PM
Quote from: LCohen on November 18, 2018, 07:56:14 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 18, 2018, 07:52:02 PM
Those claiming that McKenna is a tit, an idiot, a ball bag and a clown are only doing so because they disagree with him. Which is fine. However McKenna is an excellent journalist and whilst I don't always agree with him, he never takes the populist approach and is willing to ask the hard questions that a proper journalist should. Some people mightn't always like this as it is human nature to want to join in with the team that is winning but the likes of McKenna and Kimmage are rarely ever too far off the mark either.

Rather than attack McKenna with personal insults it would be better if the points he raised were dissected and debunked where relevant. It's easy to join in with the mob and particularly in the aftermath of a victory like last nights but it doesn't make some of the points that he made in last weeks article any less relevant.

Post 7327

Fair enough, that was one of his points and one I would disagree with him on. But it's not enough for me to think he is an idiot either.

He did make some other good points about player welfare, player nationality and the medicalisation of the sport that media and former players ever rarely get asked about.


For players nationally, is he consistent across all sports?

I honestly don't know but few other other sports define nationality so loosely. Cricket possibly.

Personally I don't think Aki, Stander or Van der Flier should be playing in a green jersey. They aren't Irish and have no bloodline connection with the country. Other than being bought by a provincial side to make a living here, they would be lining out for their own countries.

However those are the rules even if I strongly disagree with them.
Are you Jamie Bryson?

Van Der Flier born and raised in Dublin I believe.....?

Dolph1

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 18, 2018, 11:03:48 PM
Quote from: Dolph1 on November 18, 2018, 10:59:20 PM
While beating New Zealand is an achievement it still doesn't hide the fact that the win is tainted by using foreign mercenaries to achieve the result. You can't really call it an 'Irish" win when you're stacking your team with lads who have no actual ties to the country they play for.

Do you apply that logic to all sports within Ireland that have 'foreigners' ?

In this case some of the players have 0% connection to the country so realistically it's makes the win null and void as "Ireland".

At least Jack Charlton's lads had a granny (except Cascarino)
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Milltown Row2

90 players alone were born in England!
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea