The Many Faces of US Politics...

[easytiger95]

Republicans aren't racists, you're so f@*king ignorant.

(Except Carl Palladino, Jeff Sessions, the Charlottesville neo-Nazis/young Republicans....and Texas)

[CiKe]

At the risk of lighting a touchpaper, How was Obama care supposed to work? 

Did it mean that everyone was supposed to able to  buy health insurance?  I thought it was a form of NHS/HSE healthcare?  Was it?

It was supposed to be Universal healthcare, everyone was supposed to have it, Obama had noble intentions but they simply ram stammed it home and promises were made that you could keep your current GP/ Neurologists to push it trough, that was not the case and Obama lied to the people.

You got fined if you did not buy insurance and the younger you were the more of the burden you were going t carry over your lifetime, in other words the young carried the old under Obamacare.

If you were unemployed and at the lower end of the financial spectrum you got help and in fairness millions did benefit from it, the insurance companies started losing money and a lot of HMO's pull the plug in certain States. it is and was a monumental undertaking however the disastrous rollout for me encapsulated the Obama Presidency in a nutshell.

The companies that did not up stakes increased their premium year over year on average 53%, depending on who you listen to, sadly I see no end to the Obamacare debacle as the Republicans are just as inept and clueless and the Dems were ad that is bad news for the American people.

No it wasn't.

The fact that you are so angry at about something you clearly do not understand is the Republican voter mindset personified.

I am not angry about anything to do with Obamacare, I had the absolute best healthcare a man could want for his family and I merely offered my opinion on Obamacare[/b].

WTF are you on about? What am I angry about now ffs?

It wasn't meant to be universal health care. The ACA is actually a compromise bill, based on the Romneycare Massachusetts model. That Republican format was forced on Obama by the GOP initially, who were allowed and encouraged to participate in drawing up the bill. So after he had moved rightwards, after the Republicans had tabled hundreds of amendments that were considered during the committee stage, after they had blocked the government providing a public option for private insurance, which would have forced all insurance companies to price competitively or go out of business (of course the insurance companies spent millions lobbying the GOP to make sure that happened), the Republicans walked away from it and still didn't vote for it. Obama's big mistake was in not pushing the public option once it was clear that the GOP were engaging in sabotage rather than negotiation.

It was billed as Universal healthcare when it was being promoted by the left, that is a fact.

And then they push the line that it was "rammed" through, despite a full 10 months consideration, and complete adherence to parliamentary precedent. And people like you lap that up, throw out figures like 53% premium rises that you can't back up, and even if there was rises of that size, that is what the subsidies are there for. Of course, if there was a public option, those subsidies would not be needed in their present volume.

A simple google search will back me up, the fact HMOs left Obamacare will back me up.

So you post online, in sadness and rage about a subject that, objectively, given that you think Obamacare was a failed attempt at universal healthcare, you don't even understand. You don't use unbiased sources, you don't do the maths, you don't consider the policy, and all you give us on this board is incoherent, primal screams about corrupt Dems - which has basically been the Republican manifesto since the American people had the temerity to put a black man in the Oval office.

I did not post anything in sadness nor rage ffs!

I have met less than five people who I would consider racists who commented on Obama being black with any tainted or warped feelings, two of them were liberals albeit elderly.

Republicans, no matter how much you bleat about race are not racists, you are ignorant on this subject easytiger, f**king ignorant!

Stew, I have no doubt that you met some Dems you thought were corrupt. That does not mean that all Dems are corrupt, or that Hillary was corrupt or that their policies are corrupt.

Hillary is the epitome of corruption, if you cannot see that you are either stupid or in denial, you are in denial in my opinion and I am being kind.

Republicans, on health care, tax reform, environmental issues - in fact everything that would matter to you, as a citizen (former, I know) in your daily life, long ago sacrificed compassion and the public good to crazed, discredited, trickledown, Darwinian, market worshipping ideology - which is nothing more than a beard to disguise the fact that donors pay Republicans to make sure those donors get more money.

Are you kidding me? Americans are capitalists and capitalism has been the single greatest economic power the world has ever seen, you know absolutely f**k all about the American right, you equate people who want people to earn their corn and pay their way with people who do not care about others, that is simply not true, they simply want those who are fit to work to do so, to pay their taxes and contribute to society as a whole, wtf is wrong with that.

I don't mind that you're angry that you're being screwed - but you don't even know who by. And that is sad.

I was screwed by nobody, you have no idea how blessed I was and how successful in life I was during my time living in Green Bay, I have not one thing to be angry about on a personal level save my abject disgust at the slimy, repugnant left I will despise to my dying day, you presume to know me and you do not, I have had the sum total of one GAA board member in my life in my home in the states, we got on well there even though his politics and mine are poles apart, he got a snippet of who I am, plenty of others from Armagh know me and few would agree with me but so what, it is a discussion board for facks sake, I do take umbridge at you presuming to know me because you clearly do not, I will never presume to know you.

Man not ball. Never a good sign in a debate.

[stew]

At the risk of lighting a touchpaper, How was Obama care supposed to work? 

Did it mean that everyone was supposed to able to  buy health insurance?  I thought it was a form of NHS/HSE healthcare?  Was it?

It was supposed to be Universal healthcare, everyone was supposed to have it, Obama had noble intentions but they simply ram stammed it home and promises were made that you could keep your current GP/ Neurologists to push it trough, that was not the case and Obama lied to the people.

You got fined if you did not buy insurance and the younger you were the more of the burden you were going t carry over your lifetime, in other words the young carried the old under Obamacare.

If you were unemployed and at the lower end of the financial spectrum you got help and in fairness millions did benefit from it, the insurance companies started losing money and a lot of HMO's pull the plug in certain States. it is and was a monumental undertaking however the disastrous rollout for me encapsulated the Obama Presidency in a nutshell.

The companies that did not up stakes increased their premium year over year on average 53%, depending on who you listen to, sadly I see no end to the Obamacare debacle as the Republicans are just as inept and clueless and the Dems were ad that is bad news for the American people.

No it wasn't.

The fact that you are so angry at about something you clearly do not understand is the Republican voter mindset personified.

I am not angry about anything to do with Obamacare, I had the absolute best healthcare a man could want for his family and I merely offered my opinion on Obamacare[/b].

WTF are you on about? What am I angry about now ffs?

It wasn't meant to be universal health care. The ACA is actually a compromise bill, based on the Romneycare Massachusetts model. That Republican format was forced on Obama by the GOP initially, who were allowed and encouraged to participate in drawing up the bill. So after he had moved rightwards, after the Republicans had tabled hundreds of amendments that were considered during the committee stage, after they had blocked the government providing a public option for private insurance, which would have forced all insurance companies to price competitively or go out of business (of course the insurance companies spent millions lobbying the GOP to make sure that happened), the Republicans walked away from it and still didn't vote for it. Obama's big mistake was in not pushing the public option once it was clear that the GOP were engaging in sabotage rather than negotiation.

It was billed as Universal healthcare when it was being promoted by the left, that is a fact.

And then they push the line that it was "rammed" through, despite a full 10 months consideration, and complete adherence to parliamentary precedent. And people like you lap that up, throw out figures like 53% premium rises that you can't back up, and even if there was rises of that size, that is what the subsidies are there for. Of course, if there was a public option, those subsidies would not be needed in their present volume.

A simple google search will back me up, the fact HMOs left Obamacare will back me up.

So you post online, in sadness and rage about a subject that, objectively, given that you think Obamacare was a failed attempt at universal healthcare, you don't even understand. You don't use unbiased sources, you don't do the maths, you don't consider the policy, and all you give us on this board is incoherent, primal screams about corrupt Dems - which has basically been the Republican manifesto since the American people had the temerity to put a black man in the Oval office.

I did not post anything in sadness nor rage ffs!

I have met less than five people who I would consider racists who commented on Obama being black with any tainted or warped feelings, two of them were liberals albeit elderly.

Republicans, no matter how much you bleat about race are not racists, you are ignorant on this subject easytiger, f**king ignorant!

Stew, I have no doubt that you met some Dems you thought were corrupt. That does not mean that all Dems are corrupt, or that Hillary was corrupt or that their policies are corrupt.

Hillary is the epitome of corruption, if you cannot see that you are either stupid or in denial, you are in denial in my opinion and I am being kind.

Republicans, on health care, tax reform, environmental issues - in fact everything that would matter to you, as a citizen (former, I know) in your daily life, long ago sacrificed compassion and the public good to crazed, discredited, trickledown, Darwinian, market worshipping ideology - which is nothing more than a beard to disguise the fact that donors pay Republicans to make sure those donors get more money.

Are you kidding me? Americans are capitalists and capitalism has been the single greatest economic power the world has ever seen, you know absolutely f**k all about the American right, you equate people who want people to earn their corn and pay their way with people who do not care about others, that is simply not true, they simply want those who are fit to work to do so, to pay their taxes and contribute to society as a whole, wtf is wrong with that.

I don't mind that you're angry that you're being screwed - but you don't even know who by. And that is sad.

I was screwed by nobody, you have no idea how blessed I was and how successful in life I was during my time living in Green Bay, I have not one thing to be angry about on a personal level save my abject disgust at the slimy, repugnant left I will despise to my dying day, you presume to know me and you do not, I have had the sum total of one GAA board member in my life in my home in the states, we got on well there even though his politics and mine are poles apart, he got a snippet of who I am, plenty of others from Armagh know me and few would agree with me but so what, it is a discussion board for facks sake, I do take umbridge at you presuming to know me because you clearly do not, I will never presume to know you.

Man not ball. Never a good sign in a debate.

Eh?

[stew]

At the risk of lighting a touchpaper, How was Obama care supposed to work? 

Did it mean that everyone was supposed to able to  buy health insurance?  I thought it was a form of NHS/HSE healthcare?  Was it?

It was supposed to be Universal healthcare, everyone was supposed to have it, Obama had noble intentions but they simply ram stammed it home and promises were made that you could keep your current GP/ Neurologists to push it trough, that was not the case and Obama lied to the people.

You got fined if you did not buy insurance and the younger you were the more of the burden you were going t carry over your lifetime, in other words the young carried the old under Obamacare.

If you were unemployed and at the lower end of the financial spectrum you got help and in fairness millions did benefit from it, the insurance companies started losing money and a lot of HMO's pull the plug in certain States. it is and was a monumental undertaking however the disastrous rollout for me encapsulated the Obama Presidency in a nutshell.

The companies that did not up stakes increased their premium year over year on average 53%, depending on who you listen to, sadly I see no end to the Obamacare debacle as the Republicans are just as inept and clueless and the Dems were ad that is bad news for the American people.

No it wasn't.

The fact that you are so angry at about something you clearly do not understand is the Republican voter mindset personified.

WTF are you on about? What am I angry about now ffs?

It wasn't meant to be universal health care. The ACA is actually a compromise bill, based on the Romneycare Massachusetts model. That Republican format was forced on Obama by the GOP initially, who were allowed and encouraged to participate in drawing up the bill. So after he had moved rightwards, after the Republicans had tabled hundreds of amendments that were considered during the committee stage, after they had blocked the government providing a public option for private insurance, which would have forced all insurance companies to price competitively or go out of business (of course the insurance companies spent millions lobbying the GOP to make sure that happened), the Republicans walked away from it and still didn't vote for it. Obama's big mistake was in not pushing the public option once it was clear that the GOP were engaging in sabotage rather than negotiation.

And then they push the line that it was "rammed" through, despite a full 10 months consideration, and complete adherence to parliamentary precedent. And people like you lap that up, throw out figures like 53% premium rises that you can't back up, and even if there was rises of that size, that is what the subsidies are there for. Of course, if there was a public option, those subsidies would not be needed in their present volume.

So you post online, in sadness and rage about a subject that, objectively, given that you think Obamacare was a failed attempt at universal healthcare, you don't even understand. You don't use unbiased sources, you don't do the maths, you don't consider the policy, and all you give us on this board is incoherent, primal screams about corrupt Dems - which has basically been the Republican manifesto since the American people had the temerity to put a black man in the Oval office.

Stew, I have no doubt that you met some Dems you thought were corrupt. That does not mean that all Dems are corrupt, or that Hillary was corrupt or that their policies are corrupt.

Republicans, on health care, tax reform, environmental issues - in fact everything that would matter to you, as a citizen (former, I know) in your daily life, long ago sacrificed compassion and the public good to crazed, discredited, trickledown, Darwinian, market worshipping ideology - which is nothing more than a beard to disguise the fact that donors pay Republicans to make sure those donors get more money.

I don't mind that you're angry that you're being screwed - but you don't even know who by. And that is sad.

The ever sadder part is that this is fairly symptomatic of US political life with voters taking entrenched positions and living in echo bubbles where all of their media is reinforcing these beliefs.  Support for political parties and ideologies is not based on thought out processes underpinned by advanced citizenship.  It is more akin to supporting a football team, where your team can do nothing wrong and the other team are a dirty, hateful shower of b***tids.   Not much different to the kind of politics we have in the six counties, only the ideology they are fighting over here is flags, parades and the past. People here are divided on stuff that doesn't matter in the greater scheme of things.  In America its healthcare, society and the economy.

The media (right wing in particular), commentators, politicians and interest groups there have done a fantastic job at segmenting people on the grounds of liberal versus conservative and people have been sucked into believing they are on the right side.  Anyone that allows themselves to be labelled, or uses these labels to define others is buying into this system and exacerbating divisiveness. I see it here daily from people on both sides of the political spectrum.

On the right wing in particular, there is a form of political brainwashing going on. This has been getting gradully worse over the last 20 years and I don't know how whole sections of society people will step back from these entrenched positions without some major event.  It is almost like some sort of jolt is required to pull people from this very skewed thinking which ignores logic and evidence in favour of agenda and ideaology. 

Stew, I have lurked on this board for years and have always found you to be a fascinating character.  I have wondered, how someone who has grown up in Armagh during the troubles and who must surely understand what it is like to be marginalised, can appear to support those who advocate policies that would be more at home with the Vanguard Unionists of the 1970s.

APM I understand lurking, I have friends that love this board that have lurked for years, they too are fascinated by certain posters, mostly its Fearon and O'Neill.

To answer your question you must look at your own post, you equate Stateside conservatism with vanguard Unionism, you seem to have disdain for the American press yet the right wing press is a little worse, in other words you are compromised and biased, how much time have you spent in the states and are you aware that the vast majority of the news mediums in the states have a liberal bent, as do the colleges and Universities.

I get angry not because I am a republican, I am not, I get mad on here because there is a collective of posters on here who have little to no experience of living in the states yet are subject masters on every subject pertaining to the USA, I have a lot of time for  Heganboy,he is a liberal and I respect that, has lived in the states and has formed his own opinions, he drives me doolally at times but at least he has lived in the States and actively listens to differing perspectives, most don't and most are ignorant of, or worse, close minded to the opinions of the right and dismiss those opinions as racist, politically incorrect and plain wrong, they seem to be able to be wrong on all fronts yet here we sit with all three branches republican.

The left wingers on here can only see left, they don't look right because they think it is beneath them and that gets on my tits, the arrogance of it all, the support for Clinton, the rule of law meaning nothing if said law does not suit their agenda, all of this is why I fight my corner on here.

[stew]

It went the same way as the "death panels."

Accountable for nothing as per!

[omochain]

At the risk of lighting a touchpaper, How was Obama care supposed to work? 

Did it mean that everyone was supposed to able to  buy health insurance?  I thought it was a form of NHS/HSE healthcare?  Was it?

It was supposed to be Universal healthcare, everyone was supposed to have it, Obama had noble intentions but they simply ram stammed it home and promises were made that you could keep your current GP/ Neurologists to push it trough, that was not the case and Obama lied to the people.

You got fined if you did not buy insurance and the younger you were the more of the burden you were going t carry over your lifetime, in other words the young carried the old under Obamacare.

If you were unemployed and at the lower end of the financial spectrum you got help and in fairness millions did benefit from it, the insurance companies started losing money and a lot of HMO's pull the plug in certain States. it is and was a monumental undertaking however the disastrous rollout for me encapsulated the Obama Presidency in a nutshell.

The companies that did not up stakes increased their premium year over year on average 53%, depending on who you listen to, sadly I see no end to the Obamacare debacle as the Republicans are just as inept and clueless and the Dems were ad that is bad news for the American people.

No it wasn't.

The fact that you are so angry at about something you clearly do not understand is the Republican voter mindset personified.

WTF are you on about? What am I angry about now ffs?

It wasn't meant to be universal health care. The ACA is actually a compromise bill, based on the Romneycare Massachusetts model. That Republican format was forced on Obama by the GOP initially, who were allowed and encouraged to participate in drawing up the bill. So after he had moved rightwards, after the Republicans had tabled hundreds of amendments that were considered during the committee stage, after they had blocked the government providing a public option for private insurance, which would have forced all insurance companies to price competitively or go out of business (of course the insurance companies spent millions lobbying the GOP to make sure that happened), the Republicans walked away from it and still didn't vote for it. Obama's big mistake was in not pushing the public option once it was clear that the GOP were engaging in sabotage rather than negotiation.

And then they push the line that it was "rammed" through, despite a full 10 months consideration, and complete adherence to parliamentary precedent. And people like you lap that up, throw out figures like 53% premium rises that you can't back up, and even if there was rises of that size, that is what the subsidies are there for. Of course, if there was a public option, those subsidies would not be needed in their present volume.

So you post online, in sadness and rage about a subject that, objectively, given that you think Obamacare was a failed attempt at universal healthcare, you don't even understand. You don't use unbiased sources, you don't do the maths, you don't consider the policy, and all you give us on this board is incoherent, primal screams about corrupt Dems - which has basically been the Republican manifesto since the American people had the temerity to put a black man in the Oval office.

Stew, I have no doubt that you met some Dems you thought were corrupt. That does not mean that all Dems are corrupt, or that Hillary was corrupt or that their policies are corrupt.

Republicans, on health care, tax reform, environmental issues - in fact everything that would matter to you, as a citizen (former, I know) in your daily life, long ago sacrificed compassion and the public good to crazed, discredited, trickledown, Darwinian, market worshipping ideology - which is nothing more than a beard to disguise the fact that donors pay Republicans to make sure those donors get more money.

I don't mind that you're angry that you're being screwed - but you don't even know who by. And that is sad.

Stew... please read this post and tell me where it is incorrect. The last sentence is unnecessary and you should not use it as an excuse for dismissing the rest of the post. The reality is Obama tried to improve the Healthcare system in the US and was met with cynical opposition from all sides. Despite the opposition he actually managed to improve it. He did not get what he wanted but he compromised to get improvement. In my world that is OK.
But the God of the Old Testament does not compromise because he is right!!! That encapsulates the politics of the right.".  God is on our side. So  "no surrender", no compromise. Does that remind you of anyone from your youth in Portadown.

[sid waddell]

I get angry not because I am a republican, I am not, I get mad on here because there is a collective of posters on here who have little to no experience of living in the states yet are subject masters on every subject pertaining to the USA,

Nobody needs to have lived in the north of Ireland in the 1960s to know that unionism was batshit crazy and that Catholics were treated like dirt.

Nobody needs to live there now to know that a significant proportion of unionists and loyalists still are batshit crazy.

Nobody needs to live in England to know that most Brexiteers are deluded fantasists.

Nobody needs to have lived in South Africa to know that apartheid was a rotten system that was an affront to humanity.

Nobody needs to live in Venezuela now to know that the place is falling apart.

Nobody needs to live in the United States now to come to the conclusion that the Republican party is batshit crazy, inherently racist, and by far the most dangerous major political organisation in the western world.

It's called being able to decipher reality from fiction.

[seafoid]

I get angry not because I am a republican, I am not, I get mad on here because there is a collective of posters on here who have little to no experience of living in the states yet are subject masters on every subject pertaining to the USA,

Nobody needs to have lived in the north of Ireland in the 1960s to know that unionism was batshit crazy and that Catholics were treated like dirt.

Nobody needs to live there now to know that a significant proportion of unionists and loyalists still are batshit crazy.

Nobody needs to live in England to know that most Brexiteers are deluded fantasists.

Nobody needs to have lived in South Africa to know that apartheid was a rotten system that was an affront to humanity.

Nobody needs to live in Venezuela now to know that the place is falling apart.

Nobody needs to live in the United States now to come to the conclusion that the Republican party is batshit crazy, inherently racist, and by far the most dangerous major political organisation in the western world.

It's called being able to decipher reality from fiction.

You don't live there so you can't know is a very poor argument.

[stew]

I get angry not because I am a republican, I am not, I get mad on here because there is a collective of posters on here who have little to no experience of living in the states yet are subject masters on every subject pertaining to the USA,

Nobody needs to have lived in the north of Ireland in the 1960s to know that unionism was batshit crazy and that Catholics were treated like dirt.

Proof please that unionism was batshit crazy?


Nobody needs to live there now to know that a significant proportion of unionists and loyalists still are batshit crazy.

Proof please that a significant portion of unionist and loyalists are batshit crazy.

Nobody needs to live in England to know that most Brexiteers are deluded fantasists.

proof please that most brexiteers are deluded fantasists.



Nobody needs to have lived in South Africa to know that apartheid was a rotten system that was an affront to humanity.

I never said they did but it helps.

Nobody needs to live in Venezuela now to know that the place is falling apart.

I never said they did, but it helps.

Nobody needs to live in the United States now to come to the conclusion that the Republican party is batshit crazy, inherently racist, and by far the most dangerous major political organisation in the western world.

It is because you say it is, in my time there I met very few racists and half of the ones I did meet were democrats, you know damn all about the states, that much is obvious.

It's called being able to decipher reality from fiction.

You don't know enough to know nothing on this subject.

You don't live there so you can't know is a very
poor argument.

Not my argument, it really really helps when you live there for a couple of decades, you tend to know the place better than some **** that thinks he knows it because he has someone read him a book about it.

[seafoid]

Stew

I can send you a presentation of stats on how bad things are in the US. Life expectancy is falling . You don't need to live in rural Appalachia to know there is an opioid epidemic.Ever since Gutenberg invented the printing press you haven't needed to be there to know.

You don't need a vagina to know about how babies happen. 

[stew]

Stew

I can send you a presentation of stats on how bad things are in the US. Life expectancy is falling . You don't need to live in rural Appalachia to know there is an opioid epidemic.Ever since Gutenberg invented the printing press you haven't needed to be there to know.

You don't need a vagina to know about how babies happen.

Unless you have lived there you really don't know, I lived in rural America and the place was thriving, the people are fantastic and as for opioids, I never met an opioid user that I know of, Oregon and California are full of them but drugs are very prevalent in Ireland so what is your point?

Your line on Gutternerg is dangerous, if you blindly believe what you read you are at the mercy of the leanings of the writer,, this explains a lot, tanks for the clarification, I now know why so many on here believe the liberal media, makes sense.

[seafoid]

Stew

I can send you a presentation of stats on how bad things are in the US. Life expectancy is falling . You don't need to live in rural Appalachia to know there is an opioid epidemic.Ever since Gutenberg invented the printing press you haven't needed to be there to know.

You don't need a vagina to know about how babies happen.

Unless you have lived there you really don't know, I lived in rural America and the place was thriving, the people are fantastic and as for opioids, I never met an opioid user that I know of, Oregon and California are full of them but drugs are very prevalent in Ireland so what is your point?

Your line on Gutternerg is dangerous, if you blindly believe what you read you are at the mercy of the leanings of the writer,, this explains a lot, tanks for the clarification, I now know why so many on here believe the liberal media, makes sense.

If you read from many sources Stew and you understand charts you know the US is in a depression.
This is not ideal.

[stew]

Stew

I can send you a presentation of stats on how bad things are in the US. Life expectancy is falling . You don't need to live in rural Appalachia to know there is an opioid epidemic.Ever since Gutenberg invented the printing press you haven't needed to be there to know.

You don't need a vagina to know about how babies happen.

Unless you have lived there you really don't know, I lived in rural America and the place was thriving, the people are fantastic and as for opioids, I never met an opioid user that I know of, Oregon and California are full of them but drugs are very prevalent in Ireland so what is your point?

Your line on Gutternerg is dangerous, if you blindly believe what you read you are at the mercy of the leanings of the writer,, this explains a lot, tanks for the clarification, I now know why so many on here believe the liberal media, makes sense.

If you read from many sources Stew and you understand charts you know the US is in a depression.
This is not ideal.

Tell that to the stock market, tell that to the unemployment figures, the USA is nowhere near a depression Seafoid!

[Eamonnca1]

Tell that to the stock market, tell that to the unemployment figures, the USA is nowhere near a depression Seafoid!

Yeah. Thank Obama!

[seafoid]

Stew,
No financial asset has an intrinsic value.
Is perky eternal?
Why do women wear bras?