China Coronavirus

[grounded]

What do you all make of Eamon Ryan's allowance to get his positive test overturned? Anyone know of anybody else having this happen?

It actually seems extremely unusual. Anybody that has received a positive pcr test is surely isolating for 10 days as per guidelines.
      I mean you could understand if the first test was unreadable or some processing fault but why was it announced as a positive.
     

[armaghniac]

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/1104/1257971-covid-transmission-europe/

Daily Covid infections have hit an all-time high in Germany as the World Health Organization warned that another 500,000 people could die across Europe, with cases once again on the rise.

There are a lot of unvaccinated people in Germany. Brazil or Sri Lanka have a higher proportion vaccinated. Germany has a more robust ICU provision then here, but that number of people likely to become seriously ill will overwhelm them.

[Rossfan]

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/1107/1258414-eamon-ryan-covid/

[Armagh18]

What do you all make of Eamon Ryan's allowance to get his positive test overturned? Anyone know of anybody else having this happen?

I think it shows how serious this Pandemic really is?

Exactly.

[seafoid]

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/1104/1257971-covid-transmission-europe/

Daily Covid infections have hit an all-time high in Germany as the World Health Organization warned that another 500,000 people could die across Europe, with cases once again on the rise.

There are a lot of unvaccinated people in Germany. Brazil or Sri Lanka have a higher proportion vaccinated. Germany has a more robust ICU provision then here, but that number of people likely to become seriously ill will overwhelm them.

The Covid mortality rate for unvaccinated is 32x the rate for vaccinated.
Most of the 500k modelled will be unvaccinated.

[imtommygunn]

No health system can sustain this if it gets bad. I think in Ireland north or south we would break much quicker as we have a very fragile health system but absolutely no health system could have sustained this if (or tbh in a lot of cases when) it ran wild. Even <1% of people getting hospitalised is a massive number with anything so contagious.

SF where did you get that 32x stat?

[Last Man]

Yes that is a mighty big statement and really needs to be fact checked in terms of reference period in particular i.e. it should only be relevant for the time period post the availability of vaccine.

[Jeepers Creepers]

No health system can sustain this if it gets bad. I think in Ireland north or south we would break much quicker as we have a very fragile health system but absolutely no health system could have sustained this if (or tbh in a lot of cases when) it ran wild. Even <1% of people getting hospitalised is a massive number with anything so contagious.

SF where did you get that 32x stat?

Various media outlets had reported this figure was worked out by 'ONS' statistics based on current past & present mortality rate from/with/result of COVID?

[imtommygunn]

Yes that is a mighty big statement and really needs to be fact checked in terms of reference period in particular i.e. it should only be relevant for the time period post the availability of vaccine.

Yeah I agree. Also a lot of the anti vaccine stuff needs a lot of fact checking too. Tbh just reflective of the way the world is but some of the shite you read - I think it's magnified at the minute between covid and brexit. There are so many lies.

[seafoid]

No health system can sustain this if it gets bad. I think in Ireland north or south we would break much quicker as we have a very fragile health system but absolutely no health system could have sustained this if (or tbh in a lot of cases when) it ran wild. Even <1% of people getting hospitalised is a massive number with anything so contagious.

SF where did you get that 32x stat?

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-death-risk-32-times-higher-for-the-unvaccinated-figures-suggest-12457074

[seafoid]

There are different elements to Covid risk for hospitals.

The first is ICU capacity . This is fixed
The second is % unvaccinated
The third is unvaccinated mixing .

Governments don't want lockdowns. Lockdowns protected ICUs. Now  the % unvaccinated is the main driver.
There is no guarantee that ICU capacity is enough given the % unvaccinated.

[Rudi]

There are different elements to Covid risk for hospitals.

The first is ICU capacity . This is fixed
The second is % unvaccinated
The third is unvaccinated mixing .

Governments don't want lockdowns. Lockdowns protected ICUs. Now  the % unvaccinated is the main driver.
There is no guarantee that ICU capacity is enough given the % unvaccinated.

The 7% that can't mingle in an indoor area, where covid spreads are the main driver for future lockdowns.  Blame the ones who are excluded from society. Some double jabbed folk on here are in for a rude awakening when they get very ill from Covid.  No doubt the vaccine offers huge protection from Covid, not as much as folk think, plenty double jabbed dying at the moment.

[Milltown Row2]

There are different elements to Covid risk for hospitals.

The first is ICU capacity . This is fixed
The second is % unvaccinated
The third is unvaccinated mixing .

Governments don't want lockdowns. Lockdowns protected ICUs. Now  the % unvaccinated is the main driver.
There is no guarantee that ICU capacity is enough given the % unvaccinated.

The 7% that can't mingle in an indoor area, where covid spreads are the main driver for future lockdowns.  Blame the ones who are excluded from society. Some double jabbed folk on here are in for a rude awakening when they get very ill from Covid.  No doubt the vaccine offers huge protection from Covid, not as much as folk think, plenty double jabbed dying at the moment.

The 'told you so' brigade will love that

[imtommygunn]

There are different elements to Covid risk for hospitals.

The first is ICU capacity . This is fixed
The second is % unvaccinated
The third is unvaccinated mixing .

Governments don't want lockdowns. Lockdowns protected ICUs. Now  the % unvaccinated is the main driver.
There is no guarantee that ICU capacity is enough given the % unvaccinated.

The 7% that can't mingle in an indoor area, where covid spreads are the main driver for future lockdowns.  Blame the ones who are excluded from society. Some double jabbed folk on here are in for a rude awakening when they get very ill from Covid.  No doubt the vaccine offers huge protection from Covid, not as much as folk think, plenty double jabbed dying at the moment.

That could very well happen but statistically it is significantly less likely.

[From the Bunker]

No health system can sustain this if it gets bad. I think in Ireland north or south we would break much quicker as we have a very fragile health system but absolutely no health system could have sustained this if (or tbh in a lot of cases when) it ran wild. Even <1% of people getting hospitalised is a massive number with anything so contagious.

SF where did you get that 32x stat?

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-death-risk-32-times-higher-for-the-unvaccinated-figures-suggest-12457074

32 x 0 is still 0 for the all the healthy youths out there.