China Coronavirus

[Milltown Row2]

Smokers know what they are doing to themselves, but don't give a shit. Now that's an addiction

[Rawhide]

There's gonna be a certain amount of the population who refuse to get vaccinated. They should however just stay at home if they get ill and refuse medical intervention.

Why should they stay at home and why would anyone refuse medical treatment?

People should not oppose medical intervention that benefits society as well as themselves and then use medical intervention that only benefits themselves, and takes up a bed from someone else.

A common societal habit is smoking, I am sure smokers take up lots of medical time and money, all medical practitioners warn against smoking, should smokers be denied medical intervention that only benefits themselves, something they willingly self inflicted on themselves against all medical advice?

They shouldn't get free treatment on the NHS if their illness is self inflicted.

What an utterly idiotic argument you are all making. Hitler would live you guys. What next the obese folk from eating, anorexia, drug addiction people who end up with copd due to the work they did. Ffs listen to yourselves

[armaghniac]

What an utterly idiotic argument you are all making. Hitler would live you guys. What next the obese folk from eating, anorexia, drug addiction people who end up with copd due to the work they did. Ffs listen to yourselves

These illnesses harm the person concerned, their actions do not have implications for others, as failing to get a vaccination does.
Will you listen to yourself or perhaps engage brain before posting?

[Fear Bun Na Sceilpe]

What an utterly idiotic argument you are all making. Hitler would live you guys. What next the obese folk from eating, anorexia, drug addiction people who end up with copd due to the work they did. Ffs listen to yourselves

These illnesses harm the person concerned, their actions do not have implications for others, as failing to get a vaccination does.
Will you listen to yourself or perhaps engage brain before posting?

We are paying for them but,

[Rawhide]

You do realise when your vaccinated you can equally pass on the virus. Its also recognised the vaccine only treats one strain, it won't treat the new variants. Protect the old, the obese and folk with underlying conditions, after that 99.9% of the population will be grand.

[armaghniac]

You do realise when your vaccinated you can equally pass on the virus.

You do not "equally" pass on the virus when vaccinated because you are less likely to be infected.

Its also recognised the vaccine only treats one strain, it won't treat the new variants. Protect the old, the obese and folk with underlying conditions, after that 99.9% of the population will be grand.

Recognised by whom, Gemma O'Doherty? The vaccine is effective against all variants, although slightly less effective against some than others. The best way to protect the old is to ensure that those they come into contact with are vaccinated.

[trueblue1234]

You do realise when your vaccinated you can equally pass on the virus. Its also recognised the vaccine only treats one strain, it won't treat the new variants. Protect the old, the obese and folk with underlying conditions, after that 99.9% of the population will be grand.

If you are vaccinated you are less likely to pick it up. Therefore you are less likely to spread it.

Forbes

People who have received both doses of a Covid-19 vaccine are half as likely to be infected with the delta coronavirus variant than those who have not been vaccinated, according to a new study led by researchers at Imperial College London, though the scientists warned a new vaccine targeting the infectious delta variant may be needed to combat concerns over vaccine efficacy.

[Tony Baloney]

Smokers know what they are doing to themselves, but don't give a shit. Now that's an addiction

From the shape of some people on here it seems being stupid is an addiction.

[Main Street]

You do realise when your vaccinated you can equally pass on the virus. Its also recognised the vaccine only treats one strain, it won't treat the new variants. Protect the old, the obese and folk with underlying conditions, after that 99.9% of the population will be grand.

If you are vaccinated you are less likely to pick it up. Therefore you are less likely to spread it.

Forbes

People who have received both doses of a Covid-19 vaccine are half as likely to be infected with the delta coronavirus variant than those who have not been vaccinated, according to a new study led by researchers at Imperial College London, though the scientists warned a new vaccine targeting the infectious delta variant may be needed to combat concerns over vaccine efficacy.

"According to new study"  has very little currency. I said from the outset when people were clinging to vaccination immunity myths, that the vaccination method compares poorly to acquired immunity. Vaccine immunity does not last long and fares poorly in adapting to variants.
Naturally acquired immunity is the gold standard, it's life long and adapts much better, in part  or full, to variants.
People now are jumping onboard the idea of the 3rd vaccine booster as if it is a scientific truth. It's still a theory to be updated when more is known. What is not  known is why some people are susceptible to the virus, get very sick and what can help them. Israeli medics are keen on the effectiveness of an interesting and very cheap medication to effectively assist susceptible  covid infected patients, meanwhile the drug companies are peddling a very expensive and complicated treatment.

[Jell 0 Biafra]

There's gonna be a certain amount of the population who refuse to get vaccinated. They should however just stay at home if they get ill and refuse medical intervention.

Why should they stay at home and why would anyone refuse medical treatment?

People should not oppose medical intervention that benefits society as well as themselves and then use medical intervention that only benefits themselves, and takes up a bed from someone else.

A common societal habit is smoking, I am sure smokers take up lots of medical time and money, all medical practitioners warn against smoking, should smokers be denied medical intervention that only benefits themselves, something they willingly self inflicted on themselves against all medical advice?

They shouldn't get free treatment on the NHS if their illness is self inflicted.

That idea is gaining credence here in the US at least.  Higher premiums on employer-provided health insurance for the unvaccinated.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/26/business/delta-insurance-fee-unvaccinated.html

[Mikhail Prokhorov]

You do realise when your vaccinated you can equally pass on the virus. Its also recognised the vaccine only treats one strain, it won't treat the new variants. Protect the old, the obese and folk with underlying conditions, after that 99.9% of the population will be grand.

absolutely do not protect the obese, that is ridiculous 

your grammar is almost as bad as that suggestion 

[lenny]

You do realise when your vaccinated you can equally pass on the virus. Its also recognised the vaccine only treats one strain, it won't treat the new variants. Protect the old, the obese and folk with underlying conditions, after that 99.9% of the population will be grand.

If you are vaccinated you are less likely to pick it up. Therefore you are less likely to spread it.

Forbes

People who have received both doses of a Covid-19 vaccine are half as likely to be infected with the delta coronavirus variant than those who have not been vaccinated, according to a new study led by researchers at Imperial College London, though the scientists warned a new vaccine targeting the infectious delta variant may be needed to combat concerns over vaccine efficacy.

"According to new study"  has very little currency. I said from the outset when people were clinging to vaccination immunity myths, that the vaccination method compares poorly to acquired immunity. Vaccine immunity does not last long and fares poorly in adapting to variants.
Naturally acquired immunity is the gold standard, it's life long and adapts much better, in part  or full, to variants.
People now are jumping onboard the idea of the 3rd vaccine booster as if it is a scientific truth. It's still a theory to be updated when more is known. What is not  known is why some people are susceptible to the virus, get very sick and what can help them. Israeli medics are keen on the effectiveness of an interesting and very cheap medication to effectively assist susceptible  covid infected patients, meanwhile the drug companies are peddling a very expensive and complicated treatment.

You're talking absolute rubbish. If a person gets infected their immunity lasts only a few months, I know several people who've been infected twice. It also doesn't protect against other strains. Any virologist or epidemiologist will say that you get much more widespread and long lasting protection from the vaccines. The vaccines have done a brilliant job so far and the vast, vast majority of vaccinated people are protected against serious illness or symptoms from anyof the variants which have emerged so far.

[trueblue1234]

You do realise when your vaccinated you can equally pass on the virus. Its also recognised the vaccine only treats one strain, it won't treat the new variants. Protect the old, the obese and folk with underlying conditions, after that 99.9% of the population will be grand.

If you are vaccinated you are less likely to pick it up. Therefore you are less likely to spread it.

Forbes

People who have received both doses of a Covid-19 vaccine are half as likely to be infected with the delta coronavirus variant than those who have not been vaccinated, according to a new study led by researchers at Imperial College London, though the scientists warned a new vaccine targeting the infectious delta variant may be needed to combat concerns over vaccine efficacy.

"According to new study"  has very little currency. I said from the outset when people were clinging to vaccination immunity myths, that the vaccination method compares poorly to acquired immunity. Vaccine immunity does not last long and fares poorly in adapting to variants.
Naturally acquired immunity is the gold standard, it's life long and adapts much better, in part  or full, to variants.
People now are jumping onboard the idea of the 3rd vaccine booster as if it is a scientific truth. It's still a theory to be updated when more is known. What is not  known is why some people are susceptible to the virus, get very sick and what can help them. Israeli medics are keen on the effectiveness of an interesting and very cheap medication to effectively assist susceptible  covid infected patients, meanwhile the drug companies are peddling a very expensive and complicated treatment.

No offence, but a new study from the Imperial College in London carries more weight for me than "Main Street's always said".

No one was discussing the issue with natural vs vaccine debate. The problem and risk with aquiring natural immunity is a big issue.

[TMAC]

There's gonna be a certain amount of the population who refuse to get vaccinated. They should however just stay at home if they get ill and refuse medical intervention.

Why should they stay at home and why would anyone refuse medical treatment?

People should not oppose medical intervention that benefits society as well as themselves and then use medical intervention that only benefits themselves, and takes up a bed from someone else.

A common societal habit is smoking, I am sure smokers take up lots of medical time and money, all medical practitioners warn against smoking, should smokers be denied medical intervention that only benefits themselves, something they willingly self inflicted on themselves against all medical advice?

They shouldn't get free treatment on the NHS if their illness is self inflicted.

Who draws up the criteria off self inflicted, what about extreme sports, drunken injuries, illness relating to obesity, drug related illnesses, the list goes on?

[JoG2]

You do realise when your vaccinated you can equally pass on the virus. Its also recognised the vaccine only treats one strain, it won't treat the new variants. Protect the old, the obese and folk with underlying conditions, after that 99.9% of the population will be grand.

Not you specifically Rawhide, but when I read posts like these at this stage of proceedings, I realise we'll not be out of this for a long long time. The amount of misinformation floating around as a fact is absolutely staggering. Without social media, vaccine uptake would probably have been at MMR levels and we'd be pretty much there now. When you've grifters monetising the situation and the right wing all doing their thing, it's a case of round and round we go