China Coronavirus

[Hound]

There are plenty not taking the vaccine, but doing everything else right to prevent spread. And there are many more that are double jabbed and doing feck all in terms of stopping the spread, wearing masks etc.

Benny still doesn't realize that getting the vaccine means you're very unlikely to pass on Covid. Not impossible, but very unlikely.

[armaghniac]

There are plenty not taking the vaccine, but doing everything else right to prevent spread. And there are many more that are double jabbed and doing feck all in terms of stopping the spread, wearing masks etc.

That's a bit like saying that there are plenty that drink and drive, but are otherwise careful.

[JoG2]

There are plenty not taking the vaccine, but doing everything else right to prevent spread. And there are many more that are double jabbed and doing feck all in terms of stopping the spread, wearing masks etc.

Benny still doesn't realize that getting the vaccine means you're very unlikely to pass on Covid. Not impossible, but very unlikely.

Hard to believe Benny's contributions at this stage of proceedings. Lunacy

[BennyCake]

There are plenty not taking the vaccine, but doing everything else right to prevent spread. And there are many more that are double jabbed and doing feck all in terms of stopping the spread, wearing masks etc.

Benny still doesn't realize that getting the vaccine means you're very unlikely to pass on Covid. Not impossible, but very unlikely.

And by wearing masks, social distancing, etc etc means you're unlikely to pass on covid either.

[armaghniac]

There are plenty not taking the vaccine, but doing everything else right to prevent spread. And there are many more that are double jabbed and doing feck all in terms of stopping the spread, wearing masks etc.

Benny still doesn't realize that getting the vaccine means you're very unlikely to pass on Covid. Not impossible, but very unlikely.

And by wearing masks, social distancing, etc etc means you're unlikely to pass on covid either.

Are people going to continue to do this when things open up, I think not.

[johnnycool]

There are plenty not taking the vaccine, but doing everything else right to prevent spread. And there are many more that are double jabbed and doing feck all in terms of stopping the spread, wearing masks etc.

Benny still doesn't realize that getting the vaccine means you're very unlikely to pass on Covid. Not impossible, but very unlikely.

And by wearing masks, social distancing, etc etc means you're unlikely to pass on covid either.

Are people going to continue to do this when things open up, I think not.

You know what, come the 19th, every ballbag whose had their "freedoms" restricted will be out and about, no mask even on public transport and confined spaces irrespective of what the local guidelines are as Boris has decreed so in England..

[seafoid]

https://www.ft.com/content/8c3ec364-e687-4daf-9442-e73065aa2649
cCases have ticked up since Israel lifted all remaining Covid restrictions on June 1, with many experts blaming the highly transmissible Delta variant brought into Israel by returning travellers.
After weeks of single-digit daily infection rates, the number of new cases has ballooned to more than 400 per day this week. As of Wednesday, the country had more than 3,345 active cases — almost triple that of the previous week —
"[Israel's] numbers are rising, and will continue to rise.

[Armagh18]

https://www.ft.com/content/8c3ec364-e687-4daf-9442-e73065aa2649
cCases have ticked up since Israel lifted all remaining Covid restrictions on June 1, with many experts blaming the highly transmissible Delta variant brought into Israel by returning travellers.
After weeks of single-digit daily infection rates, the number of new cases has ballooned to more than 400 per day this week. As of Wednesday, the country had more than 3,345 active cases — almost triple that of the previous week —
"[Israel's] numbers are rising, and will continue to rise.

To be expected as things reopen, given Delta is meant to be more transmissible, not everyone has the vaccine and vaccine doesn't totally stop the spread.  How are hospitalisations and deaths?

[Rossfan]

https://www.rte.ie/sport/olympics/2021/0708/1233810-state-of-emergency-declared-in-tokyo-ahead-of-olympics/

[Captain Obvious]

https://www.ft.com/content/8c3ec364-e687-4daf-9442-e73065aa2649
cCases have ticked up since Israel lifted all remaining Covid restrictions on June 1, with many experts blaming the highly transmissible Delta variant brought into Israel by returning travellers.
After weeks of single-digit daily infection rates, the number of new cases has ballooned to more than 400 per day this week. As of Wednesday, the country had more than 3,345 active cases — almost triple that of the previous week —
"[Israel's] numbers are rising, and will continue to rise.

To be expected as things reopen, given Delta is meant to be more transmissible, not everyone has the vaccine and vaccine doesn't totally stop the spread.  How are hospitalisations and deaths?

[armaghniac]

There are not going to be a large number of deaths in Isreal, but some will happen 4 or 6 weeks after case numbers increase. Comparing cases today with deaths today is misleading.

[Captain Obvious]

There are not going to be a large number of deaths in Isreal, but some will happen 4 or 6 weeks after case numbers increase. Comparing cases today with deaths today is misleading.

Some deaths instead of a lot gives countries the opportunity to live with this virus in a simliar way that they did with influenza viruses.

[armaghniac]

There are not going to be a large number of deaths in Isreal, but some will happen 4 or 6 weeks after case numbers increase. Comparing cases today with deaths today is misleading.

Some deaths instead of a lot gives countries the opportunity to live with this virus in a simliar way that they did with influenza viruses.

Israel isn't in a bad way, but they have reintroduced mask requirements in shops and buses and some other modest measures. The UK is much worse, but is proposing to remove these restrictions nonetheless.

[BennyCake]

Boris couldn't be seen to keep restrictions for another few weeks, as there would be too much opposition to it, and that would  basically mean the summer is gone, and hospitality, cafes, pubs etc with it too.

So, open up knowing people will go mad, cases will rise... and before you know it, it's more restrictions.  But it's not Boris' fault, it's all your fault! See you next spring! (If you make it)

[seafoid]

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/gemma-o-doherty-ordered-to-remove-defamatory-videos-1.4615956

Eoin McCullough SC, with Michael Binchy BL, for the hospital and its director of Nursing, Maria Murray, sought the orders in proceeding alleging defamation in the videos in which Ms O'Doherty claimed, inter alia, hospital staff are being "forced" to take "experimental Covid-19 injections" which, she alleged, have killed thousands of people.

Ms O'Doherty also claimed in the videos that staff who did not take vaccines were harassed and demoted, described the hospital as "a death camp," and said it employed "psychopaths" and "had committed crimes against humanity".

She further claimed the hospital had denied life-saving treatment to patients, and is administering "lethal" injections of Covid-19 vaccines.

Defamatory
In his judgment, Mr Justice Senan Allen found they were defamatory, Ms O'Doherty had no reasonable defence to that, and said he was making various orders, including injunctions, requiring Ms O'Doherty to take them down.

What Ms O'Doherty had said in her reporting about the hospital and Ms Murray was "devoid of substance" and there was no prospect of her ever standing it up, he said.

He said courts must be careful not to interfere with free speech or the free expression of opinions but they will intervene if it can be shown statements have been made, and are liable to be repeated, for which there is no reasonable basis.

Gemma O'Doherty says hospital's action against her over videos 'spurious'
Hospital seeks injunctions against Gemma O'Doherty over 'clearly defamatory' videos
The judge said he absolutely agreed with Ms O'Doherty that journalists have a duty to report and comment on matters in the public interest, even if what is reported has a negative impact on the reputations of those involved.

He further agreed with her,that journalists have a role in holding powerful institutions like the hospital to account, and that shining a light on poor behaviour forces public bodies to do better and improve standards.

However, he rejected Ms Doherty's claim the pursuit of the injunctions against her was tantamount to denying journalists the human right to freely report on matters of public importance.

With the right of free speech "comes the responsibility not to wantonly or recklessly impugn the good name of others," he said.

'Goes much too far'
He was satisfied to make orders requiring the defendant to remove the videos and cease publishing the defamatory statements at the centre of the action.

He declined to make an order restraining Ms O'Doherty publishing anything about the hospital or Ms Murray because that "goes much too far."

The orders are to remain in place pending the outcome of the full hearing of the plaintiffs' defamation action against Ms O'Doherty.

In opposing the injunctions , Ms O'Doherty said she would "not be silenced" over what she said was one of the biggest scandals in the history of the State which she had been reporting on. She said she stood over what she had said in the videos.

She submitted the action was "spurious", "outrageous" and "a waste of public money".

Mr Justice Allen said the action was not about Ms O'Doherty's "fringe views" on vaccines or on Covid-19. She was entitled to her own opinion whether there is an emergency or not, he said.

What she has said in the videos was that the plaintiffs "well knowing that there is no Covid-19 crisis" had engaged in practises such as restricting life-saving medical treatment, and had administered Covid-19 vaccines to staff without consent, he said.

It was his firm view she has no reasonable prospect of establishing the truth of what she has said about the plaintiffs, he said.