China Coronavirus

[Angelo]

That's not an answer. The majority of flu deaths also in the same care homes and age category. Even allowing for 50% of deaths ( can you post source for this) means that over 500 deaths have been caused by Covid in January alone despite all the restrictions for near 10 months. I'll repeat that flu cause under deaths in the 5 month flu season 2017/18 including those in care homes.

Your argument as weak as water.

Health system far from perfect as we know but they have saved far more life's in current times than they can be responsibly for.

My argument is rock solid. What is telling is that you don't think that is absolutely scandalous that your government and health service's negligence costs thousands of lives.

These issues have been flagged from the INMO for years - check up their complaints the winter preceding the arrival of Covid where you had record numbers lying on hospital trolleys waiting for a bed.

[Milltown Row2]

So you don't have those figures Angelo? No? Or yes?

[Angelo]

So you don't have those figures Angelo? No? Or yes?

We don't test for flu.

The medical experts pointed to seasonal flu as the reason for those excess deaths so maybe you should query them on it.

What is telling that you think it's acceptable 2,101 people die as long as Covid didn't play a role.

That is a really insightful admission I have garnered from you.

[GetOverTheBar]

How are you lads still having the same row every day for about 6 weeks now. Angelo is leading you to the river and making you drink 

[Milltown Row2]

So you don't have those figures Angelo? No? Or yes?

We don't test for flu.

The medical experts pointed to seasonal flu as the reason for those excess deaths so maybe you should query them on it.

What is telling that you think it's acceptable 2,101 people die as long as Covid didn't play a role.

That is a really insightful admission I have garnered from you.

So 600 deaths more than the year before which was an average year?

You're not interested in anything but your argument.. mental health, you don't give a shit about, unless it suits your opinion, as you have not posted one thought on that thread

[Louther]

That's not an answer. The majority of flu deaths also in the same care homes and age category. Even allowing for 50% of deaths ( can you post source for this) means that over 500 deaths have been caused by Covid in January alone despite all the restrictions for near 10 months. I'll repeat that flu cause under deaths in the 5 month flu season 2017/18 including those in care homes.

Your argument as weak as water.

Health system far from perfect as we know but they have saved far more life's in current times than they can be responsibly for.

My argument is rock solid. What is telling is that you don't think that is absolutely scandalous that your government and health service's negligence costs thousands of lives.

These issues have been flagged from the INMO for years - check up their complaints the winter preceding the arrival of Covid where you had record numbers lying on hospital trolleys waiting for a bed.

It's well known the annual trolley crisis and everything associated with it. It's a massive point come election time and talking point throughout the year for a wide range of services and at all times - not just winter flu surge.

Everyone wants it run better and the vast resources thrown at it have to be applied and managed better. It's why there is a massive mistrust of all Gov parties in ROI as they've always been heavily criticised for this.

No one has said otherwise.

What can be said is that the actual public health and health care workers, be it covid, winter flu or whenever make the absolute best if the resources available to save countless lives.


You seem to want to blame everyone for everything cause you can't get to Benidorm to wear you Celtic vest on the beach.

[Angelo]

How are you lads still having the same row every day for about 6 weeks now. Angelo is leading you to the river and making you drink 

They keep unraveling when they try to justify the 2,101 deaths in Jan 2018 while maintaining that lockdowns are justified now because its Covid. If similar figures die from something else it's acceptable we take no preventative measures.

[trueblue1234]

How are you lads still having the same row every day for about 6 weeks now. Angelo is leading you to the river and making you drink 

They keep unraveling when they try to justify the 2,101 deaths in Jan 2018 while maintaining that lockdowns are justified now because its Covid. If similar figures die from something else it's acceptable we take no preventative measures.

No unraveling to be done. I just enjoy pointing out that your whole comparison is flawed. And enjoy watching you try to divert attention away from the fact that there was no lockdown in 2018. Passes a few minutes anyway before the wkend.

[Milltown Row2]

How are you lads still having the same row every day for about 6 weeks now. Angelo is leading you to the river and making you drink 

They keep unraveling when they try to justify the 2,101 deaths in Jan 2018 while maintaining that lockdowns are justified now because its Covid. If similar figures die from something else it's acceptable we take no preventative measures.

Are all the figures based on Aussie flu? We had 2,000 extra deaths for the year 2020 over 2018, the year 2017 was same numbers as 2018 for the year,

Your deflection is impressive, I think you believe covid is some seasonal flu, though its been here for over a year

[Angelo]

That's not an answer. The majority of flu deaths also in the same care homes and age category. Even allowing for 50% of deaths ( can you post source for this) means that over 500 deaths have been caused by Covid in January alone despite all the restrictions for near 10 months. I'll repeat that flu cause under deaths in the 5 month flu season 2017/18 including those in care homes.

Your argument as weak as water.

Health system far from perfect as we know but they have saved far more life's in current times than they can be responsibly for.

My argument is rock solid. What is telling is that you don't think that is absolutely scandalous that your government and health service's negligence costs thousands of lives.

These issues have been flagged from the INMO for years - check up their complaints the winter preceding the arrival of Covid where you had record numbers lying on hospital trolleys waiting for a bed.

It's well known the annual trolley crisis and everything associated with it. It's a massive point come election time and talking point throughout the year for a wide range of services and at all times - not just winter flu surge.

Everyone wants it run better and the vast resources thrown at it have to be applied and managed better. It's why there is a massive mistrust of all Gov parties in ROI as they've always been heavily criticised for this.

No one has said otherwise.

What can be said is that the actual public health and health care workers, be it covid, winter flu or whenever make the absolute best if the resources available to save countless lives.


You seem to want to blame everyone for everything cause you can't get to Benidorm to wear you Celtic vest on the beach.

The INMO have pointed the fingers at the govt and HSE for the outbreaks in hospitals.

50% of deaths occurred in nursing home residents which points to failures from govt and the health service.

[Angelo]

How are you lads still having the same row every day for about 6 weeks now. Angelo is leading you to the river and making you drink 

They keep unraveling when they try to justify the 2,101 deaths in Jan 2018 while maintaining that lockdowns are justified now because its Covid. If similar figures die from something else it's acceptable we take no preventative measures.

Are all the figures based on Aussie flu? We had 2,000 extra deaths for the year 2020 over 2018, the year 2017 was same numbers as 2018 for the year,

Your deflection is impressive, I think you believe covid is some seasonal flu, though its been here for over a year

What matters is amounts of lives.

When we had record amounts of lives lost in a month you thought it was completely acceptable that we did nothing to prevent them.

It's hard to find the consistency in your justification of record death totals to that of Covid.

The medical professionals cited seasonal flu as the main cause in record deaths in Jan 18, the reaction was to shrug our shoulders and say "awk, these things happen".

[Louther]

You do know a very large % of nursing homes in ROI are privately owned and operated?

[Angelo]

You do know a very large % of nursing homes in ROI are privately owned and operated?

And who oversees and regulates them?

Whose decision is it to turn healthcare over to the private sector so private interests can make profit from it?

[Milltown Row2]

How are you lads still having the same row every day for about 6 weeks now. Angelo is leading you to the river and making you drink 

They keep unraveling when they try to justify the 2,101 deaths in Jan 2018 while maintaining that lockdowns are justified now because its Covid. If similar figures die from something else it's acceptable we take no preventative measures.

Are all the figures based on Aussie flu? We had 2,000 extra deaths for the year 2020 over 2018, the year 2017 was same numbers as 2018 for the year,

Your deflection is impressive, I think you believe covid is some seasonal flu, though its been here for over a year

What matters is amounts of lives.

When we had record amounts of lives lost in a month you thought it was completely acceptable that we did nothing to prevent them.

It's hard to find the consistency in your justification of record death totals to that of Covid.

The medical professionals cited seasonal flu as the main cause in record deaths in Jan 18, the reaction was to shrug our shoulders and say "awk, these things happen".

Can you please post were I said the death rate was acceptable? In fact during that year there was a thread about it, and we discussed it and how it left a young man dead here in the north. There wasn't one post saying "sure its grand, these things happen"

[Louther]

You do know a very large % of nursing homes in ROI are privately owned and operated?

And who oversees and regulates them?

Whose decision is it to turn healthcare over to the private sector so private interests can make profit from it?

Governments regulate everything Wee Man from the food you eat to the roads you drive on and allow plenty make a profit on them.

Lots of people go into Care homes under choice of family and relatives who can't give them the care they need, provides reassurance for the family or you can use home care services.  Happens in every developed country in the world Wee Man with options available for everyone. It can be subsided by Governments or paid privately.