China Coronavirus

[Angelo]

When you let it spread widely in the community it's probably virtually impossible to keep it out of hospitals. And once people are in hospitals in a busy indoor environment it's going to spread. The best way to keep it out of the hospitals is to reduce spread in the community through various measures including lockdown type laws when necessary.

And people shouldn't be losing their lives too soon whether they're 60 or 30. A 65 year old could have 15 good years left to spend with their family and enjoy their retirement etc. Their life isn't any less valuable than anyone else's.

Of course but you are neglecting and deflecting away from the fact of the spread in hospitals. There are no excuses for that, it's a scandal and has cost lives but hey it's easier to put the blame on the people.

Its chicken and egg thing

I haven't read a post or anything from anyone outside of the government that hasn't said there needs to be an inquiry into the spread of the virus in hospitals and nursing homes.

This seems to be your new depression, 17/18 flu drum at the minute

You catch covid and bring covid into the hospital, then others catch it... pretty straight forward I'd have thought.. Reduce covid in the community will reduce covid in the hospitals and nursing homes..

Everyone is in agreement that the 18% extra transmissions of covid in these areas is a scandal that really needs looking into.

How do you think it should be reduced in the hospitals? just let them die in the street?

You're trying to excuse the level of transmission in hospitals. It's utterly scandalous, there is no excusing it.

Why have we not consigned specialist hospitals to deal solely with Covid? Why is pretty much every hosptial we have is seeing Covid patients and Covid wards in them? Surely this only serves to expose and increase the risk of patients contracting Covid. These are issues which should have been addressed long ago.

I'm not excusing it, the bit in bold in my post.

The nightinggale hospitals should have been used, strictly for covid or ordinary patients, no both.

You said there is no excuse for it... I've asked you how it would be reduced? you haven't answered.

You still have the problem of, porters. nurses, cleaners, doctors and admin staff that would be in contact in all of these places, who through no fault of their own, bring with them the virus into a 'clean' hospital.

I'm not arguing with you but again you haven't put up a solution that would stop the virus (which I think is impossible) spreading in a hospital

I have answered on ways we could have tried to reduce it, instead nothing was done and transmission rates in hospital with severely exposed patients reached utterly unacceptable levels and no doubt contributed to the death tolls. My suggestion is repeated below:

Why have we not consigned specialist hospitals to deal solely with Covid? Why is pretty much every hosptial we have is seeing Covid patients and Covid wards in them? Surely this only serves to expose and increase the risk of patients contracting Covid. These are issues which should have been addressed long ago.

The govt and health dept have sat on their hands for the past 12 months and made no sort of contingency or forward planning on this. They are the ones charged with this and they did nothing.

[Milltown Row2]

When you let it spread widely in the community it's probably virtually impossible to keep it out of hospitals. And once people are in hospitals in a busy indoor environment it's going to spread. The best way to keep it out of the hospitals is to reduce spread in the community through various measures including lockdown type laws when necessary.

And people shouldn't be losing their lives too soon whether they're 60 or 30. A 65 year old could have 15 good years left to spend with their family and enjoy their retirement etc. Their life isn't any less valuable than anyone else's.

Of course but you are neglecting and deflecting away from the fact of the spread in hospitals. There are no excuses for that, it's a scandal and has cost lives but hey it's easier to put the blame on the people.

Its chicken and egg thing

I haven't read a post or anything from anyone outside of the government that hasn't said there needs to be an inquiry into the spread of the virus in hospitals and nursing homes.

This seems to be your new depression, 17/18 flu drum at the minute

You catch covid and bring covid into the hospital, then others catch it... pretty straight forward I'd have thought.. Reduce covid in the community will reduce covid in the hospitals and nursing homes..

Everyone is in agreement that the 18% extra transmissions of covid in these areas is a scandal that really needs looking into.

How do you think it should be reduced in the hospitals? just let them die in the street?

You're trying to excuse the level of transmission in hospitals. It's utterly scandalous, there is no excusing it.

Why have we not consigned specialist hospitals to deal solely with Covid? Why is pretty much every hosptial we have is seeing Covid patients and Covid wards in them? Surely this only serves to expose and increase the risk of patients contracting Covid. These are issues which should have been addressed long ago.

I'm not excusing it, the bit in bold in my post.

The nightinggale hospitals should have been used, strictly for covid or ordinary patients, no both.

You said there is no excuse for it... I've asked you how it would be reduced? you haven't answered.

You still have the problem of, porters. nurses, cleaners, doctors and admin staff that would be in contact in all of these places, who through no fault of their own, bring with them the virus into a 'clean' hospital.

I'm not arguing with you but again you haven't put up a solution that would stop the virus (which I think is impossible) spreading in a hospital

There is no staff.
DUP under Edwin Poots cut Nursing places
MON refused to increase Nursing pay in line with rest of GB.
If you want to understand the response from the Health Service then you need to look at who is in charge making decisions. And you can't blame "The Tories". Stormont was given the money but couldn't run things.

You cannot criticise the the health service and exonerate SF and the DUP. We have gotten exactly what we deserve for electing these fools.

There's no staff because the government haven't any measures in place to deal with pandemics, the fact that with a pandemic, staff levels would naturally fall because staff would be front line and come down with the virus they are fighting. Its penny pinching but what do you do with staffing levels when there is no pandemic?

There should be, and I said this before, a part-time trained staff, who during the week have their own jobs but are trained in hospital services, can cover hospitals at the weekend or some nights, a bit like the TA for the army.

Its a clusterfuck and typically the governments, and it doesn't and would not have made a pile of difference who was involved will always take the cheap action.

The blame game is pointless at this point, no one is coming out of this with a big cape on looking good. We are in it and when we are out of it go to the ballot box and remember the clowns that let you down. Now in this strange set up, the people that complained only need reminding that a UI is far worse than a pandemic and will vote accordingly, and Arlene has no problem stoking fires, as do SF in calling for a UI at the drop of a hat

[Angelo]

When you let it spread widely in the community it's probably virtually impossible to keep it out of hospitals. And once people are in hospitals in a busy indoor environment it's going to spread. The best way to keep it out of the hospitals is to reduce spread in the community through various measures including lockdown type laws when necessary.

And people shouldn't be losing their lives too soon whether they're 60 or 30. A 65 year old could have 15 good years left to spend with their family and enjoy their retirement etc. Their life isn't any less valuable than anyone else's.

Of course but you are neglecting and deflecting away from the fact of the spread in hospitals. There are no excuses for that, it's a scandal and has cost lives but hey it's easier to put the blame on the people.

Its chicken and egg thing

I haven't read a post or anything from anyone outside of the government that hasn't said there needs to be an inquiry into the spread of the virus in hospitals and nursing homes.

This seems to be your new depression, 17/18 flu drum at the minute

You catch covid and bring covid into the hospital, then others catch it... pretty straight forward I'd have thought.. Reduce covid in the community will reduce covid in the hospitals and nursing homes..

Everyone is in agreement that the 18% extra transmissions of covid in these areas is a scandal that really needs looking into.

How do you think it should be reduced in the hospitals? just let them die in the street?

You're trying to excuse the level of transmission in hospitals. It's utterly scandalous, there is no excusing it.

Why have we not consigned specialist hospitals to deal solely with Covid? Why is pretty much every hosptial we have is seeing Covid patients and Covid wards in them? Surely this only serves to expose and increase the risk of patients contracting Covid. These are issues which should have been addressed long ago.

I'm not excusing it, the bit in bold in my post.

The nightinggale hospitals should have been used, strictly for covid or ordinary patients, no both.

You said there is no excuse for it... I've asked you how it would be reduced? you haven't answered.

You still have the problem of, porters. nurses, cleaners, doctors and admin staff that would be in contact in all of these places, who through no fault of their own, bring with them the virus into a 'clean' hospital.

I'm not arguing with you but again you haven't put up a solution that would stop the virus (which I think is impossible) spreading in a hospital

There is no staff.
DUP under Edwin Poots cut Nursing places
MON refused to increase Nursing pay in line with rest of GB.
If you want to understand the response from the Health Service then you need to look at who is in charge making decisions. And you can't blame "The Tories". Stormont was given the money but couldn't run things.

You cannot criticise the the health service and exonerate SF and the DUP. We have gotten exactly what we deserve for electing these fools.

Do you realise the SDLP and UUP are part of the power sharing executive too? The health service actually being under a UUP minister?

Anyway, the political system in Stormont is not designed to work but seems a bit bizarre you don't know the structure of it.

[Milltown Row2]

When you let it spread widely in the community it's probably virtually impossible to keep it out of hospitals. And once people are in hospitals in a busy indoor environment it's going to spread. The best way to keep it out of the hospitals is to reduce spread in the community through various measures including lockdown type laws when necessary.

And people shouldn't be losing their lives too soon whether they're 60 or 30. A 65 year old could have 15 good years left to spend with their family and enjoy their retirement etc. Their life isn't any less valuable than anyone else's.

Of course but you are neglecting and deflecting away from the fact of the spread in hospitals. There are no excuses for that, it's a scandal and has cost lives but hey it's easier to put the blame on the people.

Its chicken and egg thing

I haven't read a post or anything from anyone outside of the government that hasn't said there needs to be an inquiry into the spread of the virus in hospitals and nursing homes.

This seems to be your new depression, 17/18 flu drum at the minute

You catch covid and bring covid into the hospital, then others catch it... pretty straight forward I'd have thought.. Reduce covid in the community will reduce covid in the hospitals and nursing homes..

Everyone is in agreement that the 18% extra transmissions of covid in these areas is a scandal that really needs looking into.

How do you think it should be reduced in the hospitals? just let them die in the street?

You're trying to excuse the level of transmission in hospitals. It's utterly scandalous, there is no excusing it.

Why have we not consigned specialist hospitals to deal solely with Covid? Why is pretty much every hosptial we have is seeing Covid patients and Covid wards in them? Surely this only serves to expose and increase the risk of patients contracting Covid. These are issues which should have been addressed long ago.

I'm not excusing it, the bit in bold in my post.

The nightinggale hospitals should have been used, strictly for covid or ordinary patients, no both.

You said there is no excuse for it... I've asked you how it would be reduced? you haven't answered.

You still have the problem of, porters. nurses, cleaners, doctors and admin staff that would be in contact in all of these places, who through no fault of their own, bring with them the virus into a 'clean' hospital.

I'm not arguing with you but again you haven't put up a solution that would stop the virus (which I think is impossible) spreading in a hospital

I have answered on ways we could have tried to reduce it, instead nothing was done and transmission rates in hospital with severely exposed patients reached utterly unacceptable levels and no doubt contributed to the death tolls. My suggestion is repeated below:

Why have we not consigned specialist hospitals to deal solely with Covid? Why is pretty much every hosptial we have is seeing Covid patients and Covid wards in them? Surely this only serves to expose and increase the risk of patients contracting Covid. These are issues which should have been addressed long ago.

The govt and health dept have sat on their hands for the past 12 months and made no sort of contingency or forward planning on this. They are the ones charged with this and they did nothing.

You are not in government, no one will listen to you and if they read this discussion board they defo wouldn't listen to you.

You can't train up staff in a year, they haven't the numbers, we did have specialist hospitals, but they didn't use them, as they didn't have the staff!

There was/is a pandemic protocol, apparently the brits had a very good one, they just didn't apply it! 

You can't wave a magic wand when the horse has bolted to fix things, they are plugging gaps and sticking tape over things, remember this when you go to vote next day out

[Angelo]

When you let it spread widely in the community it's probably virtually impossible to keep it out of hospitals. And once people are in hospitals in a busy indoor environment it's going to spread. The best way to keep it out of the hospitals is to reduce spread in the community through various measures including lockdown type laws when necessary.

And people shouldn't be losing their lives too soon whether they're 60 or 30. A 65 year old could have 15 good years left to spend with their family and enjoy their retirement etc. Their life isn't any less valuable than anyone else's.

Of course but you are neglecting and deflecting away from the fact of the spread in hospitals. There are no excuses for that, it's a scandal and has cost lives but hey it's easier to put the blame on the people.

Its chicken and egg thing

I haven't read a post or anything from anyone outside of the government that hasn't said there needs to be an inquiry into the spread of the virus in hospitals and nursing homes.

This seems to be your new depression, 17/18 flu drum at the minute

You catch covid and bring covid into the hospital, then others catch it... pretty straight forward I'd have thought.. Reduce covid in the community will reduce covid in the hospitals and nursing homes..

Everyone is in agreement that the 18% extra transmissions of covid in these areas is a scandal that really needs looking into.

How do you think it should be reduced in the hospitals? just let them die in the street?

You're trying to excuse the level of transmission in hospitals. It's utterly scandalous, there is no excusing it.

Why have we not consigned specialist hospitals to deal solely with Covid? Why is pretty much every hosptial we have is seeing Covid patients and Covid wards in them? Surely this only serves to expose and increase the risk of patients contracting Covid. These are issues which should have been addressed long ago.

I'm not excusing it, the bit in bold in my post.

The nightinggale hospitals should have been used, strictly for covid or ordinary patients, no both.

You said there is no excuse for it... I've asked you how it would be reduced? you haven't answered.

You still have the problem of, porters. nurses, cleaners, doctors and admin staff that would be in contact in all of these places, who through no fault of their own, bring with them the virus into a 'clean' hospital.

I'm not arguing with you but again you haven't put up a solution that would stop the virus (which I think is impossible) spreading in a hospital

I have answered on ways we could have tried to reduce it, instead nothing was done and transmission rates in hospital with severely exposed patients reached utterly unacceptable levels and no doubt contributed to the death tolls. My suggestion is repeated below:

Why have we not consigned specialist hospitals to deal solely with Covid? Why is pretty much every hosptial we have is seeing Covid patients and Covid wards in them? Surely this only serves to expose and increase the risk of patients contracting Covid. These are issues which should have been addressed long ago.

The govt and health dept have sat on their hands for the past 12 months and made no sort of contingency or forward planning on this. They are the ones charged with this and they did nothing.

You are not in government, no one will listen to you and if they read this discussion board they defo wouldn't listen to you.

You can't train up staff in a year, they haven't the numbers, we did have specialist hospitals, but they didn't use them, as they didn't have the staff!

There was/is a pandemic protocol, apparently the brits had a very good one, they just didn't apply it! 

You can't wave a magic wand when the horse has bolted to fix things, they are plugging gaps and sticking tape over things, remember this when you go to vote next day out

You could recruit staff though.

If you look at down south, they had a huge amount of Irish doctors, nurses and other health workers returning home from abroad to offer their services at the start of the pandemic. Very few of them were actually employed.


The issue is what happened and reality is nothing was done about it when something could have been done about it.

[restorepride]

When you let it spread widely in the community it's probably virtually impossible to keep it out of hospitals. And once people are in hospitals in a busy indoor environment it's going to spread. The best way to keep it out of the hospitals is to reduce spread in the community through various measures including lockdown type laws when necessary.

And people shouldn't be losing their lives too soon whether they're 60 or 30. A 65 year old could have 15 good years left to spend with their family and enjoy their retirement etc. Their life isn't any less valuable than anyone else's.

Of course but you are neglecting and deflecting away from the fact of the spread in hospitals. There are no excuses for that, it's a scandal and has cost lives but hey it's easier to put the blame on the people.

Its chicken and egg thing

I haven't read a post or anything from anyone outside of the government that hasn't said there needs to be an inquiry into the spread of the virus in hospitals and nursing homes.

This seems to be your new depression, 17/18 flu drum at the minute

You catch covid and bring covid into the hospital, then others catch it... pretty straight forward I'd have thought.. Reduce covid in the community will reduce covid in the hospitals and nursing homes..

Everyone is in agreement that the 18% extra transmissions of covid in these areas is a scandal that really needs looking into.

How do you think it should be reduced in the hospitals? just let them die in the street?

You're trying to excuse the level of transmission in hospitals. It's utterly scandalous, there is no excusing it.

Why have we not consigned specialist hospitals to deal solely with Covid? Why is pretty much every hosptial we have is seeing Covid patients and Covid wards in them? Surely this only serves to expose and increase the risk of patients contracting Covid. These are issues which should have been addressed long ago.

I'm not excusing it, the bit in bold in my post.

The nightinggale hospitals should have been used, strictly for covid or ordinary patients, no both.

You said there is no excuse for it... I've asked you how it would be reduced? you haven't answered.

You still have the problem of, porters. nurses, cleaners, doctors and admin staff that would be in contact in all of these places, who through no fault of their own, bring with them the virus into a 'clean' hospital.

I'm not arguing with you but again you haven't put up a solution that would stop the virus (which I think is impossible) spreading in a hospital

I have answered on ways we could have tried to reduce it, instead nothing was done and transmission rates in hospital with severely exposed patients reached utterly unacceptable levels and no doubt contributed to the death tolls. My suggestion is repeated below:

Why have we not consigned specialist hospitals to deal solely with Covid? Why is pretty much every hosptial we have is seeing Covid patients and Covid wards in them? Surely this only serves to expose and increase the risk of patients contracting Covid. These are issues which should have been addressed long ago.

The govt and health dept have sat on their hands for the past 12 months and made no sort of contingency or forward planning on this. They are the ones charged with this and they did nothing.

You are not in government, no one will listen to you and if they read this discussion board they defo wouldn't listen to you.

You can't train up staff in a year, they haven't the numbers, we did have specialist hospitals, but they didn't use them, as they didn't have the staff!

There was/is a pandemic protocol, apparently the brits had a very good one, they just didn't apply it! 

You can't wave a magic wand when the horse has bolted to fix things, they are plugging gaps and sticking tape over things, remember this when you go to vote next day out

Naomh Gall abú!  Ní dhéanfar dearmad ar a rud a phostáilt tú.

[Smurfy123]

Question

Why has the big spike not happened after the snow fall last week?
Thousands upon thousands of young and old out and about in close quarters?

[Milltown Row2]

Question

Why has the big spike not happened after the snow fall last week?
Thousands upon thousands of young and old out and about in close quarters?

Source?

[Smurfy123]

Source what?
You milltown are a denier
Anything that doesn't suit your opinion
You and I both know the streets and villages were packed last Sunday with snow enthusiasts
You can not deny that
Why have we not seen a spike

[lenny]

Question

Why has the big spike not happened after the snow fall last week?
Thousands upon thousands of young and old out and about in close quarters?

Only 1% of transmissions have been estimated to happen outside in the fresh air.

[imtommygunn]

It's barely been a week too. Christmas had a predicted spike. Who predicted a spike from the snow?

[lenny]

It's barely been a week too. Christmas had a predicted spike. Who predicted a spike from the snow?

At Christmas lots of people were congregated indoors and with it being cold there was little ventilation. Perfect conditions for the virus to spread. Plus it took 2 or 3 weeks to really see the effects of that.

[restorepride]

Source what?
You milltown are a denier
Anything that doesn't suit your opinion
You and I both know the streets and villages were packed last Sunday with snow enthusiasts
You can not deny that
Why have we not seen a spike

At least the Moderator is keeping a good eye on his posts and deleting when required. 

[imtommygunn]

It's barely been a week too. Christmas had a predicted spike. Who predicted a spike from the snow?

At Christmas lots of people were congregated indoors and with it being cold there was little ventilation. Perfect conditions for the virus to spread. Plus it took 2 or 3 weeks to really see the effects of that.

Exactly. I don't think any spike is envisaged from the snow so not sure why anyone is expecting one especially so soon.

[Milltown Row2]

Source what?
You milltown are a denier
Anything that doesn't suit your opinion
You and I both know the streets and villages were packed last Sunday with snow enthusiasts
You can not deny that
Why have we not seen a spike

At least the Moderator is keeping a good eye on his posts and deleting when required.

What are you on about you muppet