Man Utd Thread:

[Milltown Row2]

The notion that keyboard warriors on the internet (any of us) know more than Mourinho is laughable. I'd also take issue with the notion that having a different opinion than the norm means operating on 'blind faith' I'll debate my opinion here with anyone. All to quickly on here the debate turns into Mourinho is shite and/or the players are shite.

Do you need a hug? You seem very tense. Keyboard warriors - could you elaborate on what you mean by this and who you refer to? This is a discussion forum where we, errrr, discuss things. If you don't like things being discussed then it's kinda weird that you're here.

Making up things like this -

I'd also take issue with the notion that having a different opinion than the norm means operating on 'blind faith'

does you no favours. How you can take that out of any of the posts above is just incredible. What notion? Where was that said? Allow me to explain so - if you do the same thing over and over again and the results are the same over and over again - to expect anything different is blind faith at best. That's my point. Mourinho's teams have NEVER played attacking football (like even poor United sides have done) so to expect it to suddenly change is to me mind boggling. But of course MM is entitled to his opinion and he's right more than most....I only disagree with him on a few things TBH. I know I'm probably annoying him with my stance on Mourinho but to my mind it's a perfectly reasonable position and guess what - i'm entitled to my opinion as well.

Play the ball, not the man.

You play the ball or the man when talking about Jose?

[nrico2006]

Van Gaal got rid of a lot of the dead wood, but Mourinho still inherited quite a number.  However, the situation is worse by virtue of his apparent inability to get the best out of the players he has bought; his signings have been dreadful on the whole.  It has got to the stage that you wouldn't be confident of signing Messi and him doing well for us.  Surely it should be easy to get a team to be difficult to score against, the goals against record this season so far is shocking.  I think there are only 3/4 clubs in the league who have conceded more.

[Maroon Manc]

Good job there was no internet or social media back in late 89 as United languished in the bottom half of the table after 3 years of Fergie.

[seafoid]

Good job there was no internet or social media back in late 89 as United languished in the bottom half of the table after 3 years of Fergie.

I remember that season. He had to win something and they started playing well in the cup. Mark robins scored a few goals. And then they won the cup

[thewobbler]

United hadn't won a league in 25 years before Fergie came on board. Expectations were lower. I'm not saying social media hasn't ramped up expectations, but it was easier to give him time.

[BennyCake]

Van Gaal got rid of a lot of the dead wood, but Mourinho still inherited quite a number.  However, the situation is worse by virtue of his apparent inability to get the best out of the players he has bought; his signings have been dreadful on the whole.  It has got to the stage that you wouldn't be confident of signing Messi and him doing well for us.  Surely it should be easy to get a team to be difficult to score against, the goals against record this season so far is shocking.  I think there are only 3/4 clubs in the league who have conceded more.

LVG added to the dead wood.

He brought in Schneidelein, Depay, Schweinsteiger, Rojo, Falcao, Darmian. Blind and Herrera, while decent enough, never set the world on fire. He then got rid of RVP, Welbeck and Hernandez (which still annoys me). He left himself with 1 striker (Rooney), but that suited LVG, because his gameplan was clearly never to score any goals, which he managed many times.

Say what you like about Jose. His reign hasn't been good, but he was never as bad as that Dutch balloon.

[Maroon Manc]

The football under Fergie wasn't always that attacking. From 2003 until Fergie retired 10 years later we only saw about 3 years of brilliant football from the start of 2006 until 2009 and part of that was having a very special team with 7 or 8 genuine world class players. The football in the last 6 months of Ronaldo was very average stuff especially when you consider the team we had was better then anyone else in Europe have to offer now. In those last 4 years the football was now near as exciting as Peps team now, the great Bayern side of that era or the football Klopp's Dortmund team played.

From October last season the football was crap to watch but in recent league games apart from Sunday its been a lot better. If he can continue with that and produce a team that doesn't have such a bad 45 minutes in the other half and results pick up I'll be happy with that.

[AZOffaly]

Good job there was no internet or social media back in late 89 as United languished in the bottom half of the table after 3 years of Fergie.

I remember banners at United games back then demanding Fergie be sacked. Mark Robins goal v Notts Forest in the Cup I think it was basically saved him.

[magpie seanie]

Good job there was no internet or social media back in late 89 as United languished in the bottom half of the table after 3 years of Fergie.

There was more public disquiet back then without social media that there is today ("3 years of excuses, ta ra Fergie" - sign in stadium, plenty of Fergie out chants). Despite what Edwards says, the cup run thanfully saved him. I personally think the embarrassment over some of what went on at that time means the manager is now backed no matter what which I understand. My exception is this case where he simply shouldn't have been appointed in the first place.

Edit - I see AZ has posted it up.

[Boycey]

The guy responsible for this banner actually wrote a book about it many years later and still gets reminded of it til this day  . It backs up Maroons point in that it's the only bit of evidence of fan disapproval from the time wheras nowadays everyone has an arena for their opinion and extremes of opinion are nearly the norm..

[magpie seanie]

The guy responsible for this banner actually wrote a book about it many years later and still gets reminded of it til this day  . It backs up Maroons point in that it's the only bit of evidence of fan disapproval from the time wheras nowadays everyone has an arena for their opinion and extremes of opinion are nearly the norm..

That's a contradiction in terms. Opinions that vary from your own aren't necessarily "extreme". Can you for example give an example of "extreme" opinions from here?

[Maroon Manc]

Mourinho should have got the job when Fergie left, the money was there to bring in 5 or 6 top players and players weren't going for such high transfer fees.

Klopp was always the manager I wanted but unfortunatley the timing was never right when the job was available.

I really think Pep would be struggling just like Mourinho has; We'd definitely be playing better football but we wouldn't be challenging for the title. The City team he inherited in 2016 was a lot more talented than what we had in 2013 & 2016 and he's had a lot more money to spend too.

[magpie seanie]

Mourinho should have got the job when Fergie left, the money was there to bring in 5 or 6 top players and players weren't going for such high transfer fees.

Klopp was always the manager I wanted but unfortunatley the timing was never right when the job was available.

I really think Pep would be struggling just like Mourinho has; We'd definitely be playing better football but we wouldn't be challenging for the title. The City team he inherited in 2016 was a lot more talented than what we had in 2013 & 2016 and he's had a lot more money to spend too.

Like I've said - I don't think Mourinho should ever have been entertained by United. I think Fergie was of that opinion too.

Agree on Klopp.

I'm not Pep's biggest fane but I think if he was at United he'd have the team contending by now and of course playing beeter stuff.

[Boycey]

The guy responsible for this banner actually wrote a book about it many years later and still gets reminded of it til this day  . It backs up Maroons point in that it's the only bit of evidence of fan disapproval from the time wheras nowadays everyone has an arena for their opinion and extremes of opinion are nearly the norm..

That's a contradiction in terms. Opinions that vary from your own aren't necessarily "extreme". Can you for example give an example of "extreme" opinions from here?

Ah wind ur neck in Seanie, it's not about you or even this thread or forum. It's about what the internet and social media has done to the way we express our opinion. Everything is either the best or the worst with little in between that's what I mean by 'extreme' opinions.

If you want to use here as an example, in the last couple of pages I've seen the manager described as a cancer, Pogba as a sickness or illness and Lukaku as the worst striker that ever played for United . Go to any thread, forum, newspaper etc it's there. It's like the mad fella that's spouts shite in the pub except it's now everywhere..


And just in case anyone else thinks I'm singling them out, I'm pretty sure we're are guilty of this at some stage. I know I certainly am.


Play the ball not the man 

[screenexile]

So when Saudi take over Man Utd will you all stop supporting them given the thoughts many of you have about City's/PSG's regime??

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