Joe Brolly

[haranguerer]

Unreal

[Hound]

Sugarman is demanding an enquiry into something that would probably bring down our economy.

He has the moral high ground, certainly, but since McCreevy and Harney, our 'best little country to do business in' model is based on light touch regulation. And light touch means DON'T TOUCH.

We would lose most of our banking industry (and a few other sectors) overnight if we start having real investigations.

Personally, I think its wrong to blame McCreevy and Harney for that. Yes, we did not have heavy red-tape regulation. But our light touch regulation absolutely did not mean "Don't Touch". That was a case of the regulators being under the thumb of the bankers. There is not a hope that McCreevy or Harney would have agreed that a Regulator should ignore the lighter rules that were in place.   

When it comes to shipping, Irish-owned vessels are registered in places like Bahamas, Bermuda, Cambodia, Cyprus, France, Malta, Marshall Islands, Panama (source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flags_of_convenience)

Dirty rotten flags of convenience b'stards.

But when it comes to aviation: http://www.thejournal.ie/aircraft-leasing-ireland-640059-Oct2012/ Half of the world's aviation fleet now managed from Ireland

This of course is great news and is all down to our genius, our tax regime and etc......

What do you think is wrong with this?
Aircraft leasing sector is a very successful niche for the country. Employs over 1,000 people (and very well paid!). Our tax regime is good, but absolutely nothing "hairy" about it or anything that the EU or OECD have ever complained about. Irish companies get capital allowances based only on genuine expenditure incurred on the cost of the aircraft, and pay tax on their profits at 12.5%.
Like any good venture, success breeds success. We've become known to have the expertise in this country for aircarft leasing, so more and more keep coming.
Not sure what anyone would have to moan about that? 

Didn't want to give the Indo the page views by reading it on their site so missed it until now, that is a disgraceful article.

Just the extremely distasteful Kevin Lynch paragraph or all of it?
Is it wrong to equate the sectarian massacre in January 1976 of three South Armagh brothers with the Kingsmill atrocity and the Claudy bombing?

[tonto1888]

Sugarman is demanding an enquiry into something that would probably bring down our economy.

He has the moral high ground, certainly, but since McCreevy and Harney, our 'best little country to do business in' model is based on light touch regulation. And light touch means DON'T TOUCH.

We would lose most of our banking industry (and a few other sectors) overnight if we start having real investigations.

Personally, I think its wrong to blame McCreevy and Harney for that. Yes, we did not have heavy red-tape regulation. But our light touch regulation absolutely did not mean "Don't Touch". That was a case of the regulators being under the thumb of the bankers. There is not a hope that McCreevy or Harney would have agreed that a Regulator should ignore the lighter rules that were in place.   

When it comes to shipping, Irish-owned vessels are registered in places like Bahamas, Bermuda, Cambodia, Cyprus, France, Malta, Marshall Islands, Panama (source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flags_of_convenience)

Dirty rotten flags of convenience b'stards.

But when it comes to aviation: http://www.thejournal.ie/aircraft-leasing-ireland-640059-Oct2012/ Half of the world's aviation fleet now managed from Ireland

This of course is great news and is all down to our genius, our tax regime and etc......

What do you think is wrong with this?
Aircraft leasing sector is a very successful niche for the country. Employs over 1,000 people (and very well paid!). Our tax regime is good, but absolutely nothing "hairy" about it or anything that the EU or OECD have ever complained about. Irish companies get capital allowances based only on genuine expenditure incurred on the cost of the aircraft, and pay tax on their profits at 12.5%.
Like any good venture, success breeds success. We've become known to have the expertise in this country for aircarft leasing, so more and more keep coming.
Not sure what anyone would have to moan about that? 

Didn't want to give the Indo the page views by reading it on their site so missed it until now, that is a disgraceful article.

Just the extremely distasteful Kevin Lynch paragraph or all of it?
Is it wrong to equate the sectarian massacre in January 1976 of three South Armagh brothers with the Kingsmill atrocity and the Claudy bombing?

I know Brolly brought up the Reavy murders but there was no need for that. From either man. The paragraph about Kevin Lynch was the worst part of it though.

[Hound]

I know Brolly brought up the Reavy murders but there was no need for that. From either man. The paragraph about Kevin Lynch was the worst part of it though.

The Lynch paragraph completely deflected from / wrecked the point he was trying to make. And it seems that Brolly was very  quick to jump on that, hence the removal 

[Dinny Breen]

Seems Joe can giveth but can't taketh. Precious Joe!

[AZOffaly]

In fairness Dinny, that article is horrendous. Never mind all the attacks on Brolly, calling our country's flag a 'rag' is OTT.

[MoChara]

I get the impression he tried to write the article with a crude humor but he really just comes of as an irreverent dick.

[Dinny Breen]

In fairness Dinny, that article is horrendous. Never mind all the attacks on Brolly, calling our country's flag a 'rag' is OTT.

I don't disagree. I just see the irony as our narcissistic friend is the epitome of OTT. 

[OgraAnDun]

Didn't want to give the Indo the page views by reading it on their site so missed it until now, that is a disgraceful article.

Just the extremely distasteful Kevin Lynch paragraph or all of it?
Is it wrong to equate the sectarian massacre in January 1976 of three South Armagh brothers with the Kingsmill atrocity and the Claudy bombing?

1) To compare Brolly to a man who claimed that Catholics 'breed like rats and multiply like vermin' and basically fanned the flames of the Troubles, never mind his founding of the UPA while innocent blood stains his coffin is uncalled for.

2) Comparing anyone to a jihadist and then taking the piss out of someone for admiring the men and women of 1916 (let alone in such a manner) is out of order.

3) 'A bit of killing for Ireland, a bit of dying for Ireland' Hadn't eaten his grub in Long Kesh'. If only the author of the piece had even a fraction of the courage the hunger strikers had.

4) Giving off about the GAA being a cultural organisation? It was founded to be both a sporting and a cultural organisation and it stayed true to its goals, unlike many things in Irish society after 1922.

5) Anyone alive while Rule 21 was still around is a bigot. No, it denied membership to the very organisations murdering innocent Gaels.

6) Reference to 'Ulster nationalism' - it's Irish nationalism, no matter how much Freestaters like him might want to wash their hands of the forgotten Irish citizens in the north east.

[screenexile]

Seems Joe can giveth but can't taketh. Precious Joe!

Has Joe even made a comment on the article??

There's plenty in Conlon's article that would get a lot of people wound up "the rag and dirge" in reference to the Irish Flag and National Anthem I'm sure wouldn't go down well with most!!

[EastTyrone]

Didn't want to give the Indo the page views by reading it on their site so missed it until now, that is a disgraceful article.

Just the extremely distasteful Kevin Lynch paragraph or all of it?
Is it wrong to equate the sectarian massacre in January 1976 of three South Armagh brothers with the Kingsmill atrocity and the Claudy bombing?

1) To compare Brolly to a man who claimed that Catholics 'breed like rats and multiply like vermin' and basically fanned the flames of the Troubles, never mind his founding of the UPA while innocent blood stains his coffin is uncalled for.

2) Comparing anyone to a jihadist and then taking the piss out of someone for admiring the men and women of 1916 (let alone in such a manner) is out of order.

3) 'A bit of killing for Ireland, a bit of dying for Ireland' Hadn't eaten his grub in Long Kesh'. If only the author of the piece had even a fraction of the courage the hunger strikers had.

4) Giving off about the GAA being a cultural organisation? It was founded to be both a sporting and a cultural organisation and it stayed true to its goals, unlike many things in Irish society after 1922.

5) Anyone alive while Rule 21 was still around is a bigot. No, it denied membership to the very organisations murdering innocent Gaels.

6) Reference to 'Ulster nationalism' - it's Irish nationalism, no matter how much Freestaters like him might want to wash their hands of the forgotten Irish citizens in the north east.

+1

[tonto1888]

Didn't want to give the Indo the page views by reading it on their site so missed it until now, that is a disgraceful article.

Just the extremely distasteful Kevin Lynch paragraph or all of it?
Is it wrong to equate the sectarian massacre in January 1976 of three South Armagh brothers with the Kingsmill atrocity and the Claudy bombing?

1) To compare Brolly to a man who claimed that Catholics 'breed like rats and multiply like vermin' and basically fanned the flames of the Troubles, never mind his founding of the UPA while innocent blood stains his coffin is uncalled for.

2) Comparing anyone to a jihadist and then taking the piss out of someone for admiring the men and women of 1916 (let alone in such a manner) is out of order.

3) 'A bit of killing for Ireland, a bit of dying for Ireland' Hadn't eaten his grub in Long Kesh'. If only the author of the piece had even a fraction of the courage the hunger strikers had.

4) Giving off about the GAA being a cultural organisation? It was founded to be both a sporting and a cultural organisation and it stayed true to its goals, unlike many things in Irish society after 1922.

5) Anyone alive while Rule 21 was still around is a bigot. No, it denied membership to the very organisations murdering innocent Gaels.

6) Reference to 'Ulster nationalism' - it's Irish nationalism, no matter how much Freestaters like him might want to wash their hands of the forgotten Irish citizens in the north east.

excellent post

[longballin]

Didn't want to give the Indo the page views by reading it on their site so missed it until now, that is a disgraceful article.

Just the extremely distasteful Kevin Lynch paragraph or all of it?
Is it wrong to equate the sectarian massacre in January 1976 of three South Armagh brothers with the Kingsmill atrocity and the Claudy bombing?

1) To compare Brolly to a man who claimed that Catholics 'breed like rats and multiply like vermin' and basically fanned the flames of the Troubles, never mind his founding of the UPA while innocent blood stains his coffin is uncalled for.

2) Comparing anyone to a jihadist and then taking the piss out of someone for admiring the men and women of 1916 (let alone in such a manner) is out of order.

3) 'A bit of killing for Ireland, a bit of dying for Ireland' Hadn't eaten his grub in Long Kesh'. If only the author of the piece had even a fraction of the courage the hunger strikers had.

4) Giving off about the GAA being a cultural organisation? It was founded to be both a sporting and a cultural organisation and it stayed true to its goals, unlike many things in Irish society after 1922.

5) Anyone alive while Rule 21 was still around is a bigot. No, it denied membership to the very organisations murdering innocent Gaels.

6) Reference to 'Ulster nationalism' - it's Irish nationalism, no matter how much Freestaters like him might want to wash their hands of the forgotten Irish citizens in the north east.

excellent post

Well said. The article was disgusting.

[BennyHarp]

Did that article by Conlon actually appear in the printed version of the Independent? Its a horrendous piece of journalism. However, I must admit I felt a little uncomfortable by the way Joe used certain events to make his point. He was always going to evoke strong emotions with  the tone of his own article (and he has caught the big fish that he was looking for) and I just wonder did he need to revive the memories of those specific atrocities to make his point about flags and a national anthem. Once again, in my view Joe has given little consideration to the collateral damage of his words and has given this mouth piece Conlon an opportunity to sling mud in the direction of Ulster GAA and at the same time rake up a lot of painful memories in the media.

[Walter Cronc]

Did that article by Conlon actually appear in the printed version of the Independent? Its a horrendous piece of journalism. However, I must admit I felt a little uncomfortable by the way Joe used certain events to make his point. He was always going to evoke strong emotions with  the tone of his own article. (and he has caught the big fish that he was looking for) I just wonder did he need to revive the memories of those specific atrocities to make his point about flags and a national anthem. Once again, in my view Joe has given little consideration to the collateral damage of his words and has given this mouth piece Conlon an opportunity to sling mud in the direction of Ulster GAA and at the same time rake up a lot of painful memories in the media.

Anyone got a link to Conlon's article?