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« Reply #16095 on: June 11, 2018, 08:53:56 AM »
The problem is that to many posters on this board have their own agenda to promote and their own mates to protect.

 Lenny may or may not get it right in the second year, I don't know, what I do know is that if you doing what you always did, you'll get the same results as you always have.

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« Reply #16096 on: June 11, 2018, 09:24:29 AM »
Poor enough end to the season for Antrim in both codes and thats becoming the norm now.... There is a mindset I believe that Antrim players have settled for less than they deserve... Pride in the jersey has been missing, yes Baker brought us to an Ulster final and we scared Kerry one day, but thats been one period in over 40 odd years..

Some sort of think tank with clubs/players/managers and concerned Antrim Gaels needs to be done, I'm sure it has been done in the past but a frank and open debate on the best foot forward.. and none of it should be throwing dirt and people, constructive conversations, because at the minute there is, I suppose always has been a cancerous element within Antrim which has dragged us down even further (if thats possible)
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« Reply #16097 on: June 11, 2018, 11:16:14 AM »
what was the issue with mckeever on Saturday ?

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« Reply #16098 on: June 11, 2018, 12:18:52 PM »
I think one thing we can all agree on is that we are totally scunnered with the lack of success over the last few years. Now that can be laid at the door of the old guard and they can be blamed, Saffron Vision maybe changed it.

Telling a lad on the bus down he isn't starting and then putting him on and taking him off isn't really decent man management is it?

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« Reply #16099 on: June 11, 2018, 12:38:42 PM »
I think one thing we can all agree on is that we are totally scunnered with the lack of success over the last few years. Now that can be laid at the door of the old guard and they can be blamed, Saffron Vision maybe changed it.

Telling a lad on the bus down he isn't starting and then putting him on and taking him off isn't really decent man management is it?

What was the circumstances to that? Its not ideal, I'd a similar problem in a Club hurling semi final once..possibly slightly different but the manager is only doing his best for the team, and none of it is personal with the players..
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« Reply #16100 on: June 11, 2018, 12:52:19 PM »
I think one thing we can all agree on is that we are totally scunnered with the lack of success over the last few years. Now that can be laid at the door of the old guard and they can be blamed, Saffron Vision maybe changed it.

Telling a lad on the bus down he isn't starting and then putting him on and taking him off isn't really decent man management is it?

What's wrong with it, he was informed he wasn't starting. He came on and the manager thought he wasn't performing or he was injured and he was replaced. Seriously wtf is wrong with it

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« Reply #16101 on: June 11, 2018, 03:23:36 PM »
I think one thing we can all agree on is that we are totally scunnered with the lack of success over the last few years. Now that can be laid at the door of the old guard and they can be blamed, Saffron Vision maybe changed it.

Telling a lad on the bus down he isn't starting and then putting him on and taking him off isn't really decent man management is it?

What's wrong with it, he was informed he wasn't starting. He came on and the manager thought he wasn't performing or he was injured and he was replaced. Seriously wtf is wrong with it

I'm not saying its right or wrong, I just don't think that telling a lad on the bus on the way to the game that he isn't playing is decent man management. Surely Lenny knew before the journey he wasn't playing.


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« Reply #16102 on: June 11, 2018, 03:34:19 PM »
I don't understand his reasoning behind not playing him. His size and ball winning ability would get him onto most teams in ulster - he is also not a full forward the fella has good hands not feet. Lenny baffles me some of the players on the panel would struggle to make some of the top club teams on the county. Another disappointing year for the saffrons :(
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« Reply #16103 on: June 11, 2018, 04:10:19 PM »
I don't understand his reasoning behind not playing him. His size and ball winning ability would get him onto most teams in ulster - he is also not a full forward the fella has good hands not feet. Lenny baffles me some of the players on the panel would struggle to make some of the top club teams on the county. Another disappointing year for the saffrons :(

Some of these players are the only ones who will make themselves available. Their maybe not the best but they are trying their best and that is all you can ask if they are willing to commit. 

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« Reply #16104 on: June 11, 2018, 04:34:38 PM »
Brendan, I think you are missing the point of discussion boards i.e. to facilitate debate
We all know the guys on the county board and are working extremely hard to turn Antrim around and its also obvious that no improvements are yet visible on the pitch

IMO we need the following

- Program for Belfast primary schools - achieved
- Program for Belfast secondary schools
- Support program for clubs coaching
- Financial support for clubs who want do develop their facilities
- Casement open

With only one of these in place to start we have many more years in the doldrums I fear..........

All opinions welcome to be heard on this !

Everyone quite raw - completely understandable. That was a bad season by anyones reckoning but what are the positives? what are we going to do about it?

SV have been doing good work (in regards to finances so leave them to it) but the main selling points - your intercounty teams - have been dismal. Theres no short term fix but the mental attitude of antrim footballers needs to be targeted - Steve Peters & his chimp anyone??

Actual physique, decision making and mental strength just not good enough currently.

SV, for all their work off the pitch, seem to be forgetting that its whats on the pitch that really matters.  We've been exceedingly poor during their tenure.  That was the worst Antrim county footballing squad I saw in my lifetime. And ive seen some really really bad ones.

What would it take to get casement open in its current guise?  Has anyone been around it lately? is it a matter of temporary changing facilities on the Andersonstown Road side and cordon off the main stand plus a relaying of grass or is it totally fecked?  We need a suitable base and a place for county football. Theres a degree of pride that comes from your own home. We need a proper base and that's not Corrigan in its current format.  This nomad nonsense is an embarrassment.

All football and hurling training needs to be in Dunsilly - this place needs to be established.  No ifs or buts. Sell the place if this isn't going to happen and direct the money elsewhere. We need a stand there and we need one other club to get a stand.

Lenny isn't my choice but he is others so either hes not up to the job and needs more help,  or someone else is brought in with the correct team.  Regardless of money, in any walk of life, you put the best man you have in to do the job.  So, in relation to football matters, have SV got the right setup there - I don't believe so.

More primary school time needs to be linked with the clubs, whether extended lunchtimes or whatever. Sounds simple but usually depends on the attitude of the head teacher.

Target St Louis, one north Belfast, one west Belfast and one south Belfast secondary/grammar school for specialist input & coaching. Academies linked to Antrim.

Perhaps the biggest problem of all is lack of pride, or resignation that failure is just around the corner.   - Irish version of Steve Peters anywhere??

Not a rant - trying to be constructive.



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« Reply #16105 on: June 12, 2018, 09:31:21 AM »
Brendan, I think you are missing the point of discussion boards i.e. to facilitate debate
We all know the guys on the county board and are working extremely hard to turn Antrim around and its also obvious that no improvements are yet visible on the pitch

IMO we need the following

- Program for Belfast primary schools - achieved
- Program for Belfast secondary schools
- Support program for clubs coaching
- Financial support for clubs who want do develop their facilities
- Casement open

With only one of these in place to start we have many more years in the doldrums I fear..........

All opinions welcome to be heard on this !

Everyone quite raw - completely understandable. That was a bad season by anyones reckoning but what are the positives? what are we going to do about it?

SV have been doing good work (in regards to finances so leave them to it) but the main selling points - your intercounty teams - have been dismal. Theres no short term fix but the mental attitude of antrim footballers needs to be targeted - Steve Peters & his chimp anyone??

Actual physique, decision making and mental strength just not good enough currently.

SV, for all their work off the pitch, seem to be forgetting that its whats on the pitch that really matters.  We've been exceedingly poor during their tenure.  That was the worst Antrim county footballing squad I saw in my lifetime. And ive seen some really really bad ones.

What would it take to get casement open in its current guise?  Has anyone been around it lately? is it a matter of temporary changing facilities on the Andersonstown Road side and cordon off the main stand plus a relaying of grass or is it totally fecked?  We need a suitable base and a place for county football. Theres a degree of pride that comes from your own home. We need a proper base and that's not Corrigan in its current format.  This nomad nonsense is an embarrassment.

All football and hurling training needs to be in Dunsilly - this place needs to be established.  No ifs or buts. Sell the place if this isn't going to happen and direct the money elsewhere. We need a stand there and we need one other club to get a stand.

Lenny isn't my choice but he is others so either hes not up to the job and needs more help,  or someone else is brought in with the correct team.  Regardless of money, in any walk of life, you put the best man you have in to do the job.  So, in relation to football matters, have SV got the right setup there - I don't believe so.

More primary school time needs to be linked with the clubs, whether extended lunchtimes or whatever. Sounds simple but usually depends on the attitude of the head teacher.

Target St Louis, one north Belfast, one west Belfast and one south Belfast secondary/grammar school for specialist input & coaching. Academies linked to Antrim.

Perhaps the biggest problem of all is lack of pride, or resignation that failure is just around the corner.   - Irish version of Steve Peters anywhere??

Not a rant - trying to be constructive.

Hard to disagree with any of that tbh. Lack of pride is the thing that really annoys me!

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« Reply #16106 on: June 12, 2018, 10:25:00 AM »
I don't understand his reasoning behind not playing him. His size and ball winning ability would get him onto most teams in ulster - he is also not a full forward the fella has good hands not feet. Lenny baffles me some of the players on the panel would struggle to make some of the top club teams on the county. Another disappointing year for the saffrons :(

Some of these players are the only ones who will make themselves available. Their maybe not the best but they are trying their best and that is all you can ask if they are willing to commit.

I understand that but the amount  of top players we don't have representing our county is a disgrace no other county has this situation. Crozier McCann brothers Dermot McAleese, John Mcnabb - who best keeper in the county by a mile, Niall oneill worth his place, Martin Johnston ,  Eoin McKeown , Donal Nugent if he got into shape I could go on I know there are different reasons and it is unrealistic that every player will commit every year but we need these type of players in the saffron jersey - Phone calls need to be made accommodating these players situations or else sadly we will be in the basement for the foreseeable future.

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« Reply #16107 on: June 12, 2018, 11:19:43 AM »
I don't understand his reasoning behind not playing him. His size and ball winning ability would get him onto most teams in ulster - he is also not a full forward the fella has good hands not feet. Lenny baffles me some of the players on the panel would struggle to make some of the top club teams on the county. Another disappointing year for the saffrons :(

Some of these players are the only ones who will make themselves available. Their maybe not the best but they are trying their best and that is all you can ask if they are willing to commit.

I understand that but the amount  of top players we don't have representing our county is a disgrace no other county has this situation. Crozier McCann brothers Dermot McAleese, John Mcnabb - who best keeper in the county by a mile, Niall oneill worth his place, Martin Johnston ,  Eoin McKeown , Donal Nugent if he got into shape I could go on I know there are different reasons and it is unrealistic that every player will commit every year but we need these type of players in the saffron jersey - Phone calls need to be made accommodating these players situations or else sadly we will be in the basement for the foreseeable future.


Meaning? Let these players who couldnt commit to come and go as they please? not have a panel as such and pick it on availablity and the hearsay of people watching games and judging the merits of this footballer and that? Or maybe a Gaaboard selected team, though who would we blame if that team was shown its arse..
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« Reply #16108 on: June 12, 2018, 11:23:15 AM »
I don't understand his reasoning behind not playing him. His size and ball winning ability would get him onto most teams in ulster - he is also not a full forward the fella has good hands not feet. Lenny baffles me some of the players on the panel would struggle to make some of the top club teams on the county. Another disappointing year for the saffrons :(

Some of these players are the only ones who will make themselves available. Their maybe not the best but they are trying their best and that is all you can ask if they are willing to commit.

I understand that but the amount  of top players we don't have representing our county is a disgrace no other county has this situation. Crozier McCann brothers Dermot McAleese, John Mcnabb - who best keeper in the county by a mile, Niall oneill worth his place, Martin Johnston ,  Eoin McKeown , Donal Nugent if he got into shape I could go on I know there are different reasons and it is unrealistic that every player will commit every year but we need these type of players in the saffron jersey - Phone calls need to be made accommodating these players situations or else sadly we will be in the basement for the foreseeable future.
Nonsense

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« Reply #16109 on: June 12, 2018, 11:26:07 AM »
I don't understand his reasoning behind not playing him. His size and ball winning ability would get him onto most teams in ulster - he is also not a full forward the fella has good hands not feet. Lenny baffles me some of the players on the panel would struggle to make some of the top club teams on the county. Another disappointing year for the saffrons :(

Some of these players are the only ones who will make themselves available. Their maybe not the best but they are trying their best and that is all you can ask if they are willing to commit.

I understand that but the amount  of top players we don't have representing our county is a disgrace no other county has this situation. Crozier McCann brothers Dermot McAleese, John Mcnabb - who best keeper in the county by a mile, Niall oneill worth his place, Martin Johnston ,  Eoin McKeown , Donal Nugent if he got into shape I could go on I know there are different reasons and it is unrealistic that every player will commit every year but we need these type of players in the saffron jersey - Phone calls need to be made accommodating these players situations or else sadly we will be in the basement for the foreseeable future.
Nonsense
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