Antrim Football Thread

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paddyjohn

Quote from: Dunsilly King on June 11, 2018, 12:52:19 PM
Quote from: paddyjohn on June 11, 2018, 12:18:52 PM
I think one thing we can all agree on is that we are totally scunnered with the lack of success over the last few years. Now that can be laid at the door of the old guard and they can be blamed, Saffron Vision maybe changed it.

Telling a lad on the bus down he isn't starting and then putting him on and taking him off isn't really decent man management is it?

What's wrong with it, he was informed he wasn't starting. He came on and the manager thought he wasn't performing or he was injured and he was replaced. Seriously wtf is wrong with it

I'm not saying its right or wrong, I just don't think that telling a lad on the bus on the way to the game that he isn't playing is decent man management. Surely Lenny knew before the journey he wasn't playing.


belfastsaff

#14896
I don't understand his reasoning behind not playing him. His size and ball winning ability would get him onto most teams in ulster - he is also not a full forward the fella has good hands not feet. Lenny baffles me some of the players on the panel would struggle to make some of the top club teams on the county. Another disappointing year for the saffrons :(

paddyjohn

Quote from: belfastsaff on June 11, 2018, 03:34:19 PM
I don't understand his reasoning behind not playing him. His size and ball winning ability would get him onto most teams in ulster - he is also not a full forward the fella has good hands not feet. Lenny baffles me some of the players on the panel would struggle to make some of the top club teams on the county. Another disappointing year for the saffrons :(

Some of these players are the only ones who will make themselves available. Their maybe not the best but they are trying their best and that is all you can ask if they are willing to commit. 

Spike

Quote from: Belfast GAA man on June 10, 2018, 08:16:54 PM
Brendan, I think you are missing the point of discussion boards i.e. to facilitate debate
We all know the guys on the county board and are working extremely hard to turn Antrim around and its also obvious that no improvements are yet visible on the pitch

IMO we need the following

- Program for Belfast primary schools - achieved
- Program for Belfast secondary schools
- Support program for clubs coaching
- Financial support for clubs who want do develop their facilities
- Casement open

With only one of these in place to start we have many more years in the doldrums I fear..........

All opinions welcome to be heard on this !

Everyone quite raw - completely understandable. That was a bad season by anyones reckoning but what are the positives? what are we going to do about it?

SV have been doing good work (in regards to finances so leave them to it) but the main selling points - your intercounty teams - have been dismal. Theres no short term fix but the mental attitude of antrim footballers needs to be targeted - Steve Peters & his chimp anyone??

Actual physique, decision making and mental strength just not good enough currently.

SV, for all their work off the pitch, seem to be forgetting that its whats on the pitch that really matters.  We've been exceedingly poor during their tenure.  That was the worst Antrim county footballing squad I saw in my lifetime. And ive seen some really really bad ones.

What would it take to get casement open in its current guise?  Has anyone been around it lately? is it a matter of temporary changing facilities on the Andersonstown Road side and cordon off the main stand plus a relaying of grass or is it totally fecked?  We need a suitable base and a place for county football. Theres a degree of pride that comes from your own home. We need a proper base and that's not Corrigan in its current format.  This nomad nonsense is an embarrassment.

All football and hurling training needs to be in Dunsilly - this place needs to be established.  No ifs or buts. Sell the place if this isn't going to happen and direct the money elsewhere. We need a stand there and we need one other club to get a stand.

Lenny isn't my choice but he is others so either hes not up to the job and needs more help,  or someone else is brought in with the correct team.  Regardless of money, in any walk of life, you put the best man you have in to do the job.  So, in relation to football matters, have SV got the right setup there - I don't believe so.

More primary school time needs to be linked with the clubs, whether extended lunchtimes or whatever. Sounds simple but usually depends on the attitude of the head teacher.

Target St Louis, one north Belfast, one west Belfast and one south Belfast secondary/grammar school for specialist input & coaching. Academies linked to Antrim.

Perhaps the biggest problem of all is lack of pride, or resignation that failure is just around the corner.   - Irish version of Steve Peters anywhere??

Not a rant - trying to be constructive.



paddyjohn

Quote from: Spike on June 11, 2018, 04:34:38 PM
Quote from: Belfast GAA man on June 10, 2018, 08:16:54 PM
Brendan, I think you are missing the point of discussion boards i.e. to facilitate debate
We all know the guys on the county board and are working extremely hard to turn Antrim around and its also obvious that no improvements are yet visible on the pitch

IMO we need the following

- Program for Belfast primary schools - achieved
- Program for Belfast secondary schools
- Support program for clubs coaching
- Financial support for clubs who want do develop their facilities
- Casement open

With only one of these in place to start we have many more years in the doldrums I fear..........

All opinions welcome to be heard on this !

Everyone quite raw - completely understandable. That was a bad season by anyones reckoning but what are the positives? what are we going to do about it?

SV have been doing good work (in regards to finances so leave them to it) but the main selling points - your intercounty teams - have been dismal. Theres no short term fix but the mental attitude of antrim footballers needs to be targeted - Steve Peters & his chimp anyone??

Actual physique, decision making and mental strength just not good enough currently.

SV, for all their work off the pitch, seem to be forgetting that its whats on the pitch that really matters.  We've been exceedingly poor during their tenure.  That was the worst Antrim county footballing squad I saw in my lifetime. And ive seen some really really bad ones.

What would it take to get casement open in its current guise?  Has anyone been around it lately? is it a matter of temporary changing facilities on the Andersonstown Road side and cordon off the main stand plus a relaying of grass or is it totally fecked?  We need a suitable base and a place for county football. Theres a degree of pride that comes from your own home. We need a proper base and that's not Corrigan in its current format.  This nomad nonsense is an embarrassment.

All football and hurling training needs to be in Dunsilly - this place needs to be established.  No ifs or buts. Sell the place if this isn't going to happen and direct the money elsewhere. We need a stand there and we need one other club to get a stand.

Lenny isn't my choice but he is others so either hes not up to the job and needs more help,  or someone else is brought in with the correct team.  Regardless of money, in any walk of life, you put the best man you have in to do the job.  So, in relation to football matters, have SV got the right setup there - I don't believe so.

More primary school time needs to be linked with the clubs, whether extended lunchtimes or whatever. Sounds simple but usually depends on the attitude of the head teacher.

Target St Louis, one north Belfast, one west Belfast and one south Belfast secondary/grammar school for specialist input & coaching. Academies linked to Antrim.

Perhaps the biggest problem of all is lack of pride, or resignation that failure is just around the corner.   - Irish version of Steve Peters anywhere??

Not a rant - trying to be constructive.

Hard to disagree with any of that tbh. Lack of pride is the thing that really annoys me!

belfastsaff

Quote from: paddyjohn on June 11, 2018, 04:10:19 PM
Quote from: belfastsaff on June 11, 2018, 03:34:19 PM
I don't understand his reasoning behind not playing him. His size and ball winning ability would get him onto most teams in ulster - he is also not a full forward the fella has good hands not feet. Lenny baffles me some of the players on the panel would struggle to make some of the top club teams on the county. Another disappointing year for the saffrons :(

Some of these players are the only ones who will make themselves available. Their maybe not the best but they are trying their best and that is all you can ask if they are willing to commit.

I understand that but the amount  of top players we don't have representing our county is a disgrace no other county has this situation. Crozier McCann brothers Dermot McAleese, John Mcnabb - who best keeper in the county by a mile, Niall oneill worth his place, Martin Johnston ,  Eoin McKeown , Donal Nugent if he got into shape I could go on I know there are different reasons and it is unrealistic that every player will commit every year but we need these type of players in the saffron jersey - Phone calls need to be made accommodating these players situations or else sadly we will be in the basement for the foreseeable future.

Milltown Row2

Quote from: belfastsaff on June 12, 2018, 10:25:00 AM
Quote from: paddyjohn on June 11, 2018, 04:10:19 PM
Quote from: belfastsaff on June 11, 2018, 03:34:19 PM
I don't understand his reasoning behind not playing him. His size and ball winning ability would get him onto most teams in ulster - he is also not a full forward the fella has good hands not feet. Lenny baffles me some of the players on the panel would struggle to make some of the top club teams on the county. Another disappointing year for the saffrons :(

Some of these players are the only ones who will make themselves available. Their maybe not the best but they are trying their best and that is all you can ask if they are willing to commit.

I understand that but the amount  of top players we don't have representing our county is a disgrace no other county has this situation. Crozier McCann brothers Dermot McAleese, John Mcnabb - who best keeper in the county by a mile, Niall oneill worth his place, Martin Johnston ,  Eoin McKeown , Donal Nugent if he got into shape I could go on I know there are different reasons and it is unrealistic that every player will commit every year but we need these type of players in the saffron jersey - Phone calls need to be made accommodating these players situations or else sadly we will be in the basement for the foreseeable future.


Meaning? Let these players who couldnt commit to come and go as they please? not have a panel as such and pick it on availablity and the hearsay of people watching games and judging the merits of this footballer and that? Or maybe a Gaaboard selected team, though who would we blame if that team was shown its arse..
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

oakleaflad

Quote from: belfastsaff on June 12, 2018, 10:25:00 AM
Quote from: paddyjohn on June 11, 2018, 04:10:19 PM
Quote from: belfastsaff on June 11, 2018, 03:34:19 PM
I don't understand his reasoning behind not playing him. His size and ball winning ability would get him onto most teams in ulster - he is also not a full forward the fella has good hands not feet. Lenny baffles me some of the players on the panel would struggle to make some of the top club teams on the county. Another disappointing year for the saffrons :(

Some of these players are the only ones who will make themselves available. Their maybe not the best but they are trying their best and that is all you can ask if they are willing to commit.

I understand that but the amount  of top players we don't have representing our county is a disgrace no other county has this situation. Crozier McCann brothers Dermot McAleese, John Mcnabb - who best keeper in the county by a mile, Niall oneill worth his place, Martin Johnston ,  Eoin McKeown , Donal Nugent if he got into shape I could go on I know there are different reasons and it is unrealistic that every player will commit every year but we need these type of players in the saffron jersey - Phone calls need to be made accommodating these players situations or else sadly we will be in the basement for the foreseeable future.
Nonsense

belfastsaff

Quote from: oakleaflad on June 12, 2018, 11:23:15 AM
Quote from: belfastsaff on June 12, 2018, 10:25:00 AM
Quote from: paddyjohn on June 11, 2018, 04:10:19 PM
Quote from: belfastsaff on June 11, 2018, 03:34:19 PM
I don't understand his reasoning behind not playing him. His size and ball winning ability would get him onto most teams in ulster - he is also not a full forward the fella has good hands not feet. Lenny baffles me some of the players on the panel would struggle to make some of the top club teams on the county. Another disappointing year for the saffrons :(

Some of these players are the only ones who will make themselves available. Their maybe not the best but they are trying their best and that is all you can ask if they are willing to commit.

I understand that but the amount  of top players we don't have representing our county is a disgrace no other county has this situation. Crozier McCann brothers Dermot McAleese, John Mcnabb - who best keeper in the county by a mile, Niall oneill worth his place, Martin Johnston ,  Eoin McKeown , Donal Nugent if he got into shape I could go on I know there are different reasons and it is unrealistic that every player will commit every year but we need these type of players in the saffron jersey - Phone calls need to be made accommodating these players situations or else sadly we will be in the basement for the foreseeable future.
Nonsense
Will be interesting in division 4 next year !

themac_23

Quote from: oakleaflad on June 12, 2018, 11:23:15 AM
Quote from: belfastsaff on June 12, 2018, 10:25:00 AM
Quote from: paddyjohn on June 11, 2018, 04:10:19 PM
Quote from: belfastsaff on June 11, 2018, 03:34:19 PM
I don't understand his reasoning behind not playing him. His size and ball winning ability would get him onto most teams in ulster - he is also not a full forward the fella has good hands not feet. Lenny baffles me some of the players on the panel would struggle to make some of the top club teams on the county. Another disappointing year for the saffrons :(

Some of these players are the only ones who will make themselves available. Their maybe not the best but they are trying their best and that is all you can ask if they are willing to commit.

I understand that but the amount  of top players we don't have representing our county is a disgrace no other county has this situation. Crozier McCann brothers Dermot McAleese, John Mcnabb - who best keeper in the county by a mile, Niall oneill worth his place, Martin Johnston ,  Eoin McKeown , Donal Nugent if he got into shape I could go on I know there are different reasons and it is unrealistic that every player will commit every year but we need these type of players in the saffron jersey - Phone calls need to be made accommodating these players situations or else sadly we will be in the basement for the foreseeable future.
Nonsense

Pretty much every county outside the top 6 or so has this problem, in smaller counties you tend not to see too many players over 25 as work and life at home becomes more a priority and the fact the chances of winning something is slim makes opting out of the county panel a bit easier.

paddyjohn

Pretty much every club has those issues to. I spoke to a Div3 manager here in Antrim at the weekend who said hes lost 5 lads to the States this season. He's working with a panel of 17 now.

NAG1

#14906
I think this is problem wider than just Antrim in general.

Look at the likes of say Cork/ Armagh/ Meath - massive football counties with decent tradition and they have no chance utterly no chance of winning the competition that they are entering year on year. How long is it before players realise this too and start to weigh it up and say feck it this isn't worth it.

Thats before you even get the length of the likes of Antrim.

The whole system is flawed completely flawed. We have in every county more players sitting idle because of this system. The whole thing is eating itself and unless it is addressed and sharpish the eliteism will have killed the whole organisation.

paddyjohn

Quote from: NAG1 on June 12, 2018, 02:00:15 PM
I think this is problem wider than just Antrim in general.

Look at the likes of say Cork/ Armagh/ Meath - massive football counties with decent tradition and they have no chance utterly no chance of winning the competition that they are entering year on year. How long is it before players realise this too and start to weigh it up and say feck it this isn't worth it.

Thats before you even get the length of the likes of Antrim.

The whole system is flawed completely flawed. We have in every county more players sitting idle because of this system. The whole thing is eating itself and unless it is addressed and sharpish the eliteism will have killed the whole organisation.

Best post on this board in months.

AntrimRealist

I've asked this question a number of times on the county website without response.  Can someone explain the thinking behind the scheduling of league games less than 24 hours after the Down game.  Perhaps some consideration of player welfare might help player commitment.

Spike

Quote from: NAG1 on June 12, 2018, 02:00:15 PM
I think this is problem wider than just Antrim in general.

Look at the likes of say Cork/ Armagh/ Meath - massive football counties with decent tradition and they have no chance utterly no chance of winning the competition that they are entering year on year. How long is it before players realise this too and start to weigh it up and say feck it this isn't worth it.

Thats before you even get the length of the likes of Antrim.

The whole system is flawed completely flawed. We have in every county more players sitting idle because of this system. The whole thing is eating itself and unless it is addressed and sharpish the eliteism will have killed the whole organisation.

hear hear