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GAA Discussion / Re: Ulster Senior football cha...

Last post by David McKeown - Today at 10:57:16 PM

Not quoting that but in reply^ yeah theres probably genuine reasons for not valuing it as much as years gone by and I agree the back door was the start of that, but personally Ulster will always mean something to me (unless we do a Dublin and win the next 10 )

Totally understand why you'd see it as less meaningful now though but I'd say you'll roar as loud as me if we do go on and win it this year!

I would say you are right. But come game day all rational thought goes out the window anyway.

#2

General discussion / Re: European Leagues.

Last post by Armagh18 - Today at 10:43:45 PM

I thought Barca's Gundogen was clipped in the penaalty box before PSG got a goal in the econd half?

The one he got booked after for for arguing? Never for me, he wad going nowhere and looked for it.

#3

General discussion / Re: European Leagues.

Last post by marty34 - Today at 10:34:41 PM

I thought Barca's Gundogen was clipped in the penaalty box before PSG got a goal in the econd half?

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GAA Discussion / Re: Ulster Senior football cha...

Last post by Blowitupref - Today at 10:23:05 PM

I just want to point out this stat. Cavan are unbeaten in championship against Tyrone in Breffni for more than 40 years.

How many Cavan v Tyrone championship matches has been played in Breffni the last 40 years?

That's irrelevant

It's all relevant.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Ulster Senior football cha...

Last post by Armagh18 - Today at 10:22:45 PM

Not quoting that but in reply^ yeah theres probably genuine reasons for not valuing it as much as years gone by and I agree the back door was the start of that, but personally Ulster will always mean something to me (unless we do a Dublin and win the next 10 )

Totally understand why you'd see it as less meaningful now though but I'd say you'll roar as loud as me if we do go on and win it this year!

#6

GAA Discussion / Re: Leinster U20 football cham...

Last post by Blowitupref - Today at 10:22:22 PM

Result tonight

Meath 4-8 Laois 1-10
Louth 2-11 Wicklow 1-9

Semi final line up

Dublin v Louth
Meath v Kildare

#7

General discussion / Re: The Offical Glasgow Celtic...

Last post by Main Street - Today at 10:20:12 PM

Got my last 5 fixtures slightly wrong...

Sunday 28th April v Dundee (A)
Saturday 4th May v Hearts (H)
Saturday 11th May v Huns (H)
Wednesday 15th May v Kilmarnock (A)
Saturday 18th May v St Mirren (H)

What Rangers run in?

Here you go you lazy bollix
    Sunday, April 28 - St Mirren (A) - 12.30pm.
    Sunday, May 5 - Kilmarnock (H) - 1pm.
    Saturday, May 11 - Celtic (A) - 12.30pm.
    Tuesday, May 14 - Dundee (H) - 7.30pm.
    Saturday, May 18 - Hearts (A) - 12.30pm.

#8

General discussion / Re: European Leagues.

Last post by Main Street - Today at 10:15:49 PM

I didn't think it was a clear foul/red card in the Barca v PSG game,  50/50  but I can accept the ref saw it as a clear red card.

What pees me off are those occasions when a ref up with the play, with clear sight does decide such and such an incident was not a penalty or red card,  the VAR calls the ref to note some minuscule touch by a defender, even editing the scope of the video replay.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Ulster Senior football cha...

Last post by David McKeown - Today at 10:15:29 PM

Is it really? Most counties have goals at the start of the year, get promoted, avoid relegation, beat neighbours etc. do they really need a coping mechanism of devaluing competitions, I seriously doubt it.  There are about 26 counties under the new system never going win Sam, Derry don't need another Ulster but will probably win it, any other county would relish it.

I believe JoG2 was referring the fans attempting to devalue a competition as a defense mechanism for if they don't win it. Armagh will have failed this year (again) if they do not win Ulster. How anyone can think different is beyond me.

What if they lose Ulster but play in an All Ireland final. Is that a bigger failure than winning Ulster and then going out in the groups?

You're changing angles here. What is having a good year, which reaching an AI final for most teams is, got to do with questioning the value of the Anglo Celt cup which you did? A hypothetical appearance in an AI final shouldn't come into the equation.
You're Armagh yes, very surprising considering the last 15+ years winning nothing. Derry winning 2 years ago was incredible, winning back to back was, well incredible. The thought of winning a treble, well that's the stuff of dreams. Worry about any attack on a Sam after.

The answer is the Ulster Championship is not viewed in isolation You've said Armagh will have failed this year if they don't win Ulster. I disagree. They could miss out on Ulster and make an All Ireland final which to me would be far less of a failure than winning Ulster and going out in the group stages. Similarly I'd rather have been promoted this year than win Ulster. That's not to say doing both wouldn't be nice but simply that Ulster can be viewed in isolation.

You are holding the Anglo Celt up as some kind of be all and end all for the season. It's not. For me If your county would prefer to win an Ulster and nothing else this year then it's extremely meaningful. If your county would prefer a deep run in the All Ireland series then Ulster is less meaningful.

Hmm, honestly if you said to me now win Ulster and go out in group or lose in Ulster and lose in a semi final I think I'd take an Ulster given a fair chunk of our team were in primary school when we last won it.

(Pointless argument anyway because if you win Ulster and go in as top seed there would be something seriously wrong if you couldnt at least make a preliminary QF)

That's a perfectly valid view but I don't think it's one universally shared. I don't feel that way and I feel a provincial championship is as meaningful as it once was.

When you have 6 teams capable of beating eachother in a one off game in a competition it's certainly an achievement to win it!!

I genuinely don't think you have that in Ulster this year but I take your point. My issue is that it's not as meaningful as it once was. I don't think any of those 6 counties are going 100% to win an Ulster at the expense of their future progress certainly not to the extent they might have in years gone bye. For me that makes it less meaningful than it used to be. As has the introduction of the back door. As has the moved to being played in April/May. As has the talk of it potentially being axed all together etc etc.

So I don't think I'm devaluing it out of some kind of coping mechanism for not winning it. I think it merely has become devalued. That's not a view shared by all and I accept that.

#10

General discussion / Re: European Leagues.

Last post by Armagh18 - Today at 10:11:10 PM

He shouldn't have went for that tackle but I still think he got the ball. The ball changed direction and I just don't see how it would have without that tackle touching the ball

Thought he hit your mans foot then followed through and hit the ball tbh. Silly enough challenge.