Super 8s

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Fuzzman

Interesting article from ToS, especially where he says he would have been of to the US if Kerry were not in the running for titles every year.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/toms-s-joe-canning-was-on-the-money-the-attitude-towards-alcohol-in-the-gaa-is-all-wrong-36025988.html

I wonder how Jamie Clarke and McManus feel this year?
I'd say some of the Donegal lads who went to the States are glad they did now.

I think the reason the gap is widening is simply because the top 4 are more or less professional athletes now and play the game at a different level to the rest.
Many are saying Ulster is poor this year because the standard has fallen but I think its because Tyrone have had to move their standards to the next level. As Brian McGuigan said last Sunday Peter Donnelly has had a huge impact on the physicality of this Tyrone team. He said Dublin and Kerry were leaving them behind and so they are much stronger and fitter now. Did ye watch that video where Tiernan McCann was away ahead of the others on fitness tests?
I think Tyrone have just raised the bar on Ulster to the level that Dublin have in Leinster and Kerry have in Munster.

That's why Brolly and Co are not happy with how the competition is no longer interesting. It took this Tyrone team three years to get to this level though and it is quite likely it will all end on 2 weeks time.

seafoid

Quote from: Fuzzman on August 12, 2017, 08:46:51 PM
Interesting article from ToS, especially where he says he would have been of to the US if Kerry were not in the running for titles every year.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/toms-s-joe-canning-was-on-the-money-the-attitude-towards-alcohol-in-the-gaa-is-all-wrong-36025988.html

I wonder how Jamie Clarke and McManus feel this year?
I'd say some of the Donegal lads who went to the States are glad they did now.

I think the reason the gap is widening is simply because the top 4 are more or less professional athletes now and play the game at a different level to the rest.
Many are saying Ulster is poor this year because the standard has fallen but I think its because Tyrone have had to move their standards to the next level. As Brian McGuigan said last Sunday Peter Donnelly has had a huge impact on the physicality of this Tyrone team. He said Dublin and Kerry were leaving them behind and so they are much stronger and fitter now. Did ye watch that video where Tiernan McCann was away ahead of the others on fitness tests?
I think Tyrone have just raised the bar on Ulster to the level that Dublin have in Leinster and Kerry have in Munster.

That's why Brolly and Co are not happy with how the competition is no longer interesting. It took this Tyrone team three years to get to this level though and it is quite likely it will all end on 2 weeks time.
Fuzz

I think it's like whiskey. It takes time for whiskey to mature. Stuff that is 1 year old can never be as good as stuff that is 7 years old.
Before you needed skill, experience and team coherence . Now you need skill, experience, team coherence and to have enough work done on your physique.
In 96 Mayo came out of nowhere to beat Kerry but that wouldn't happen today.
The Dubs, Mayo and Kerry all have the experience and the physique. It is almost professional.  The barriers to entry are very high. Much higher than in the past. Colm O'Rourke was in the paper recently talking about the training they did in 91. Pretty relaxed compared to now.

Galway have been developing the current team for a few years. They got kicked around by Mayo a few times so they had to do the gym work. But that still wasn't enough. I can see why players might not be arsed.

"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

From the Bunker

Quote from: seafoid on August 12, 2017, 09:56:08 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 12, 2017, 08:46:51 PM
Interesting article from ToS, especially where he says he would have been of to the US if Kerry were not in the running for titles every year.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/toms-s-joe-canning-was-on-the-money-the-attitude-towards-alcohol-in-the-gaa-is-all-wrong-36025988.html

I wonder how Jamie Clarke and McManus feel this year?
I'd say some of the Donegal lads who went to the States are glad they did now.

I think the reason the gap is widening is simply because the top 4 are more or less professional athletes now and play the game at a different level to the rest.
Many are saying Ulster is poor this year because the standard has fallen but I think its because Tyrone have had to move their standards to the next level. As Brian McGuigan said last Sunday Peter Donnelly has had a huge impact on the physicality of this Tyrone team. He said Dublin and Kerry were leaving them behind and so they are much stronger and fitter now. Did ye watch that video where Tiernan McCann was away ahead of the others on fitness tests?
I think Tyrone have just raised the bar on Ulster to the level that Dublin have in Leinster and Kerry have in Munster.

That's why Brolly and Co are not happy with how the competition is no longer interesting. It took this Tyrone team three years to get to this level though and it is quite likely it will all end on 2 weeks time.
Fuzz

I think it's like whiskey. It takes time for whiskey to mature. Stuff that is 1 year old can never be as good as stuff that is 7 years old.
Before you needed skill, experience and team coherence . Now you need skill, experience, team coherence and to have enough work done on your physique.
In 96 Mayo came out of nowhere to beat Kerry but that wouldn't happen today.
The Dubs, Mayo and Kerry all have the experience and the physique. It is almost professional.  The barriers to entry are very high. Much higher than in the past. Colm O'Rourke was in the paper recently talking about the training they did in 91. Pretty relaxed compared to now.

Galway have been developing the current team for a few years. They got kicked around by Mayo a few times so they had to do the gym work. But that still wasn't enough. I can see why players might not be arsed.

In fairness Kerry (hard to believe) came from nowhere as well! Kerry had won one (yes one) of the previous nine Munster titles. That single title was won in 1991.

clarshack

Quote from: From the Bunker on August 12, 2017, 11:01:41 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 12, 2017, 09:56:08 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 12, 2017, 08:46:51 PM
Interesting article from ToS, especially where he says he would have been of to the US if Kerry were not in the running for titles every year.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/toms-s-joe-canning-was-on-the-money-the-attitude-towards-alcohol-in-the-gaa-is-all-wrong-36025988.html

I wonder how Jamie Clarke and McManus feel this year?
I'd say some of the Donegal lads who went to the States are glad they did now.

I think the reason the gap is widening is simply because the top 4 are more or less professional athletes now and play the game at a different level to the rest.
Many are saying Ulster is poor this year because the standard has fallen but I think its because Tyrone have had to move their standards to the next level. As Brian McGuigan said last Sunday Peter Donnelly has had a huge impact on the physicality of this Tyrone team. He said Dublin and Kerry were leaving them behind and so they are much stronger and fitter now. Did ye watch that video where Tiernan McCann was away ahead of the others on fitness tests?
I think Tyrone have just raised the bar on Ulster to the level that Dublin have in Leinster and Kerry have in Munster.

That's why Brolly and Co are not happy with how the competition is no longer interesting. It took this Tyrone team three years to get to this level though and it is quite likely it will all end on 2 weeks time.
Fuzz

I think it's like whiskey. It takes time for whiskey to mature. Stuff that is 1 year old can never be as good as stuff that is 7 years old.
Before you needed skill, experience and team coherence . Now you need skill, experience, team coherence and to have enough work done on your physique.
In 96 Mayo came out of nowhere to beat Kerry but that wouldn't happen today.
The Dubs, Mayo and Kerry all have the experience and the physique. It is almost professional.  The barriers to entry are very high. Much higher than in the past. Colm O'Rourke was in the paper recently talking about the training they did in 91. Pretty relaxed compared to now.

Galway have been developing the current team for a few years. They got kicked around by Mayo a few times so they had to do the gym work. But that still wasn't enough. I can see why players might not be arsed.

In fairness Kerry (hard to believe) came from nowhere as well! Kerry had won one (yes one) of the previous nine Munster titles. That single title was won in 1991.

whatever happened Pa Dennehy?

ONeill

Sick to the teeth of this acute analysis of the present.

Look back over provincial score lines right back the 70s or All Ireland semis or finals. Some real blitzing sessions, especially at AI semi final stage. It won't be like that this year. There have always been 2 or 3 teams far better than everyone else, bar a few years when there was an evening-out. Tyrone won't always be there. This Mayo team are on their last legs though they have been a fairly consistent county in my lifetime. Dublin and Kerry will nearly always be there. Galway, Meath and Cork will rise again...and so on.

The amount of football on TV now is only highlighting that fact to the general public.

Secondly, a lot of these 'club-first' men are lamenting the gap at the top of the county scene. Fcuk the county scene then.

Finally, football isn't a great product. Never was, unless the real class sides met. Again, TV saturation is only showing that now. It's a lot better, technically and physically,  than 20 years ago though.

Maybe I'm wrong but it's a bollocks to listen to. The county scene isn't the be-all and end-all.
I wanna have my kicks before the whole shithouse goes up in flames.

From the Bunker

Quote from: ONeill on August 12, 2017, 11:32:51 PM
Sick to the teeth of this acute analysis of the present.

Look back over provincial score lines right back the 70s or All Ireland semis or finals. Some real blitzing sessions, especially at AI semi final stage. It won't be like that this year. There have always been 2 or 3 teams far better than everyone else, bar a few years when there was an evening-out. Tyrone won't always be there. This Mayo team are on their last legs though they have been a fairly consistent county in my lifetime. Dublin and Kerry will nearly always be there. Galway, Meath and Cork will rise again...and so on.

The amount of football on TV now is only highlighting that fact to the general public.

Secondly, a lot of these 'club-first' men are lamenting the gap at the top of the county scene. Fcuk the county scene then.

Finally, football isn't a great product. Never was, unless the real class sides met. Again, TV saturation is only showing that now. It's a lot better, technically and physically,  than 20 years ago though.

Maybe I'm wrong but it's a bollocks to listen to. The county scene isn't the be-all and end-all.


Good post! What has confused everybody is that we had a era in the 90's where the Northern teams came good and the Connacht teams came good. The noughties was open to anybody having a go - Sligo, Westmeath, Wexford, Fermanagh, Laois to name a few. But now we are back to a domineering 4-6 with a real dominant Dublin!

There are people who follow their County team who don't really have a club! Just like there are People who follow the Rep. Of Ireland Soccer team but don't have a League of Ireland club. Those who do have a club in both codes usually put the club first!

ONeill

It's even more than that. We're being told how shit county football is by pundits on RTE who make a nice sum from telling us that...and that there needs to be a more socialist model. You have the same pundits monopolising print journalism for very handsome sums, regurgitating articles for various publications in the same week at the expense of qualified journalists.
I wanna have my kicks before the whole shithouse goes up in flames.

Owen Brannigan

Quote from: ONeill on August 13, 2017, 12:28:07 AM
It's even more than that. We're being told how shit county football is by pundits on RTE who make a nice sum from telling us that...and that there needs to be a more socialist model. You have the same pundits monopolising print journalism for very handsome sums, regurgitating articles for various publications in the same week at the expense of qualified journalists.

+1


Taylor

Quote from: Owen Brannigan on August 13, 2017, 01:20:24 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 13, 2017, 12:28:07 AM
It's even more than that. We're being told how shit county football is by pundits on RTE who make a nice sum from telling us that...and that there needs to be a more socialist model. You have the same pundits monopolising print journalism for very handsome sums, regurgitating articles for various publications in the same week at the expense of qualified journalists.

+1

And then you have boys like B Flynn calling out amateur players and continually trying to be controversial in order to make money

seafoid

Quote from: Owen Brannigan on August 13, 2017, 01:20:24 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 13, 2017, 12:28:07 AM
It's even more than that. We're being told how shit county football is by pundits on RTE who make a nice sum from telling us that...and that there needs to be a more socialist model. You have the same pundits monopolising print journalism for very handsome sums, regurgitating articles for various publications in the same week at the expense of qualified journalists.

+1
It is crap ,regardless of how much pundits get paid
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

LilySavage

ORourke getting it from RTE, The Sunday Indo and Paddy Power. Looks like he's just a token GAA contributor for each as he'd have surely got the road for his negativity . For the gambling crowd , he couldn't pick his nose so maybe they're happy enough with him. Class A hypocrite.

From the Bunker

Quote from: LilySavage on August 13, 2017, 01:50:28 PM
ORourke getting it from RTE, The Sunday Indo and Paddy Power. Looks like he's just a token GAA contributor for each as he'd have surely got the road for his negativity . For the gambling crowd , he couldn't pick his nose so maybe they're happy enough with him. Class A hypocrite.

O'Rourke needs all these sources of Income along with being the Principal of a School to cover bad debts from investments during the boom!  :-\

mrhardyannual

Quote from: From the Bunker on August 13, 2017, 02:10:22 PM
Quote from: LilySavage on August 13, 2017, 01:50:28 PM
ORourke getting it from RTE, The Sunday Indo and Paddy Power. Looks like he's just a token GAA contributor for each as he'd have surely got the road for his negativity . For the gambling crowd , he couldn't pick his nose so maybe they're happy enough with him. Class A hypocrite.

O'Rourke needs all these sources of Income along with being the Principal of a School to cover bad debts from investments during the boom!  :-\
Boom Boom  ;D

Il Bomber Destro

Quote from: From the Bunker on August 13, 2017, 02:10:22 PM
Quote from: LilySavage on August 13, 2017, 01:50:28 PM
ORourke getting it from RTE, The Sunday Indo and Paddy Power. Looks like he's just a token GAA contributor for each as he'd have surely got the road for his negativity . For the gambling crowd , he couldn't pick his nose so maybe they're happy enough with him. Class A hypocrite.

O'Rourke needs all these sources of Income along with being the Principal of a School to cover bad debts from investments during the boom!  :-\

I found it a bit hypocritical that a failed property developer  was putting forward a socialist GAA model.

Dublin and to a lesser degree, Kerry with a huge conglomerate behind them will always have financial advantages but if the likes of Tyrone, Donegal, Mayo can be competitive then why can't the likes of Kildare, Cork, Meath, Antrim, Galway. If the likes of Monaghan can win Ulster titles and be competitive with anyone outside of Dublin, then there's no reason why Cavan, Sligo, Laois, Westmeath etc can't. If Fermanagh can make an All Ireland quarter final and play the best team in the country and not disgrace themselves then what is stopping the likes of Leitrim, Carlow or Longford (who in fairness equip themselves well with what they've got) from doing similar.

There is a finance imbalance that certainly needs to be addressed but too many counties try and use it as an excuse when similar counties to them are getting the best out of themselves with similar resources.

The Trap

Oh shit.......super 2 and maybe in a few weeks we will all realise it's a super 1