Super 8s

Started by theticklemister, February 19, 2017, 10:55:16 PM

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BennyCake

This had to be passed now, before the CPA became stronger.

The CPA will do nothing about it now. It's the little guy v the corporation.

macdanger2

Don't think this is a good idea. Like AZ, Rossfan and a few others, I think it's primarily driven by commercial interests rather than anything else.

However, it'll be a huge success in the first few years due to the novelty of it and the quality of the teams involved. I think that will level off in subsequent years as it becomes stale with the same teams competing all the time. The new phrase will be "sure the championship doesn't start properly til the semi finals"

Any talk of it improving the lot of "weaker" counties is rubbish and in fairness, a change in the fixtures calendar isn't the way to improve standards - extra coaches and money is the only way to do that.

What I'd like to see is something like this:

Club season from Jan-mid May, county from mid-may-Sept
League played off first to qualify for the all Ireland series - say top 6 in D1, top 3 in D2, top 2 in 3 and top in D4 or something similar.
Provincials played next since they can't be abolished. Four winners qualify for the all Ireland series (maybe with home adv). Some sort of system to be devised for who replaces teams who've won two spots in the all Ireland series.
Seeded knockout competition from there on in.

Zulu

Quote from: vallankumous on February 25, 2017, 02:49:53 PM
Quote from: Zulu on February 25, 2017, 02:41:55 PM
Lot of ill informed hysteria here. It's two rounds of games played within 8 days added to the calendar that's already there. To listen to some posters here hurling has been disbanded, clubs have to play all their games Christmas week and Paraic Duffy is more interested in partying with Jay Z than helping the GAA.

At the very least, this is worth giving a go and unlike the pessimistic soothsayers claims here we can actually review and change it in 2020.

Reductio ad absurdum rather than make a point makes it seem like you have a weak argument.

I wonder why they would propose this? The major thing here is more games for top teams for no reason other than to have more games for top teams. What would be the motivation behind that? Could it be sponsorship or TV deals? If so then is this not a genuine reason to be concerned?

Well first off the vast majority of people accept what we have doesn't work, secondly the provincials had to be kept so making a change which helps clubs, provincial champions and the promotion and finance of the GAA had to be done on this basis.

It isn't perfect but there isn't a perfect system so why not give this a go rather than complain about the current system yet have no realistic alternative?

Rossfan

What difference will this make to Johnny who plays for Aughawillan for example?
A chap who never did and never will get near a County team.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

johnpower

Well good to see some change never thought it would get through

Syferus

Quote from: johnpower on February 25, 2017, 03:30:28 PM
Well good to see some change never thought it would get through

You weren't paying much attention to Duffy's gerrymandering, then.

From the Bunker

Quote from: Maroon Manc on February 25, 2017, 01:31:48 PM
I'm not a fan but this is the start of the experiment which if works will see a Champions League type format brought in for everyone which I'd be happy with.

Going to be a very busy July & August for the 2 counties who reach the final next year with 6 games to be played over 8 or 9 weekends. The county with the biggest squad is really going to benefit here, can't think who that is!

This has Dublin Dominance written all over it! More games in Croker to feed that monster. Professionalism has arrived.

Kuwabatake Sanjuro

2 home games for Dublin every year when the other 7 will only get 1, how will that be fair?

Syferus

Quote from: From the Bunker on February 25, 2017, 03:38:46 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on February 25, 2017, 01:31:48 PM
I'm not a fan but this is the start of the experiment which if works will see a Champions League type format brought in for everyone which I'd be happy with.

Going to be a very busy July & August for the 2 counties who reach the final next year with 6 games to be played over 8 or 9 weekends. The county with the biggest squad is really going to benefit here, can't think who that is!

This has Dublin Dominance written all over it! More games in Croker to feed that monster. Professionalism has arrived.

Once a lot of counties are out of their province the season's over pretty much now for them. There's no carrot on the stick bar multiple drubbings in August for them now. Very disappointing how the GAA has gone from a genuinely amateur organisation to one fixated on profits over the last two decades. People are going to stop bothering and caring in a lot of counties.

sid waddell

Bringing forward the All-Ireland finals to August while expanding the football championship simply doesn't make sense.

There is going to be a serious squeeze on the calendar.

The hurling championship will be dwarfed by football.

Inevitably hurling will then look to incorporate its own round robin Super 8 or Super 6 series, and then the All-Ireland finals will have to be moved back to their original September dates.

Esmarelda

Quote from: Rossfan on February 25, 2017, 03:24:27 PM
What difference will this make to Johnny who plays for Aughawillan for example?
A chap who never did and never will get near a County team.
None.

sid waddell

Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on February 25, 2017, 04:21:03 PM
2 home games for Dublin every year when the other 7 will only get 1, how will that be fair?
Dublin play all of their All-Ireland football quarter-finals at Croke Park as it is.

So it'll be going from Dublin having 100% of their quarter-final stage games at home to having 66.666% of their quarter-final stage games at home.

And their opponents will go from having 0% of their quarter-final stage games at home to having 33.333% of them at home.


Aughafad

The only time Dublin will be out of Croke park it'll be against so called weaker teams! Not against Kerry, Cork,Donegal, Mayo or Tyrone. And when they do play one of these teams away from home it'll be when they are weaker

Farrandeelin

Quote from: sid waddell on February 25, 2017, 05:22:12 PM
Bringing forward the All-Ireland finals to August while expanding the football championship simply doesn't make sense.

There is going to be a serious squeeze on the calendar.

The hurling championship will be dwarfed by football.

Inevitably hurling will then look to incorporate its own round robin Super 8 or Super 6 series, and then the All-Ireland finals will have to be moved back to their original September dates.
It's a wonder that hurling counties haven't kicked up about this.
Inaugural Football Championship Prediction Winner.

Rossfan

Hurling counties wouldn't lower themselves to think about how they should vote on mere football matters.
Anyway it's up to the hurley to re organise their own  little championshipeen.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM