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Re: Super 8s
« Reply #750 on: August 07, 2017, 02:54:19 PM »
We should just change it to the Super 4. Top 2 play in final

Super 8 is going to be a complete balls up given the gap between the top 4 and the rest

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« Reply #751 on: August 07, 2017, 03:10:49 PM »
We should just change it to the Super 4. Top 2 play in final

Super 8 is going to be a complete balls up given the gap between the top 4 and the rest

One of the "Super 4" didn't make the semis last year

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Re: Super 8s
« Reply #752 on: August 07, 2017, 03:15:17 PM »
The kick-out has been a big issue in some of the unexpected hammerings dished out this year. Certainly in Donegal's losses to Tyrone and Galway, and absolutely today.

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« Reply #753 on: August 07, 2017, 03:21:24 PM »
Tipp got to last 4 last year but do you honestly think they would have beaten mayo Dublin kerry or tyrone had they met? Only reason tyrone did not get to semi final was because they met mayo in last 8

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« Reply #754 on: August 07, 2017, 03:27:49 PM »
While it's not looking good for the super 8 based on this years QF's that's not to say the gap will be as big next year or the year after. Kildare will certainly improve, as will Roscommon. You'd expect Galway, Armagh, Donegal, Cork and, maybe, Monaghan and Meath to do so too. The top four might do so as well but the likes of Roscommon and Kildare certainly have more room for improvement. It doesn't matter the format if we have a few teams miles ahead of the rest but I don't think the gap will be the same in the coming years.

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Re: Super 8s
« Reply #755 on: August 07, 2017, 03:36:20 PM »
We have sometimes heard the strange concept that the winners of the any B championship should be allowed back into the AI series at a late stage. I think events this weekend show how pointless that would be.
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Re: Super 8s
« Reply #756 on: August 07, 2017, 04:11:32 PM »
Tyrone, Mayo, Dublin and Kerry to play one another home and away every year for the next decade to decide Sam.  Winner takes all.  All other county teams to take up hurling and/or camogie.

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« Reply #757 on: August 07, 2017, 05:02:53 PM »
Tyrone, Mayo, Dublin and Kerry to play one another home and away every year for the next decade to decide Sam.  Winner takes all.  All other county teams to take up hurling and/or camogie.

Hilarious how Tyrone having one good year and Donegal having one bad year means we are going to be the dominant force for the next decade.

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« Reply #758 on: August 07, 2017, 05:04:02 PM »
So the top 4 teams have all destroyed the lower ranking teams and now there is going to be a super 8  :o ;D

Can the GAA do anything right?!

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« Reply #759 on: August 07, 2017, 09:31:15 PM »
Yeah, time for two sixteen team championships.
Sorry, time for a three tiered championship.
Nope, that won't work again.
In the absence of a solution, let's blame Duffy and the Super 8.

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Re: Super 8s
« Reply #760 on: August 07, 2017, 10:21:23 PM »
While it's not looking good for the super 8 based on this years QF's that's not to say the gap will be as big next year or the year after. Kildare will certainly improve, as will Roscommon. You'd expect Galway, Armagh, Donegal, Cork and, maybe, Monaghan and Meath to do so too. The top four might do so as well but the likes of Roscommon and Kildare certainly have more room for improvement. It doesn't matter the format if we have a few teams miles ahead of the rest but I don't think the gap will be the same in the coming years.
You'll have entropy in the top 4 and growth in the pretenders so things should be better over the next few years
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« Reply #761 on: August 08, 2017, 07:51:02 AM »
Two 16 team championships. Straight knock out. No back door.
8 teams beaten in round 1 (senior) play off. Bottom 4 drop to the second tier the next year.
4 Semi-finalists in the second tier move up to Senior the following year.
8 teams beaten in round 1 (2nd tier) play off for a 3rd tier trophy if there is a need to ensure everyone gets a minimum of 2 games.

Win 2 games and you play with the big boys the following year. Lose 2 and you go back down.

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« Reply #762 on: August 08, 2017, 09:40:05 AM »
I have to laugh at the nonsense about splitting the championship into tiers.  We have four teams a mile ahead of the rest.  On their day, some of the rest will give them a game if they are at the top of their game and the top teams under perform.  Outside that it is competitive among the remainder.  The other division 1 teams (2017/18), Monaghan, Donegal, Cavan, Galway and Kildare were all beaten by Division 2 / 3 opposition in the Championship this year. 

If you were trying to tier the Championship on this years form, you would segment the top four from Division 1.  Another segment from the bottom half of Division 1, all of Division 2 and the top three teams in Division 3.  The remainder of Division 3 and 4 would be in a third tier (although that would be tough on Carlow). Obviously you would have to make an exception for Longford given their uncanny ability to perform in the qualifiers. 

The nonsense is that if you were to segment on the basis of performance, the top tier would start at Semi-Finals.


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« Reply #763 on: August 11, 2017, 05:28:08 PM »
I think one of the big pluses that the Super 8s will give us is more matches for those 2nd tier teams against the top 4.
If you work backwards, there is always going to be one winner, then the top 2, top 4 and top 8
Usually those teams who make it to the quarterfinals like say Monaghan, Galway, Cork and maybe Kildare in recent years tend to only get one game in Croke park as their reward for getting that far.

Now they get 3 more games against 2 provincial winners and against another qualifier team. As we call know, you only get better by playing teams that are better than you and so in my view this new structure rewards those teams with 3 more games rather than just one more where they might get hockeyed by a provincial winner.
Those of you, like Brolly said, could argue that they could get 3 more hammerings (or at least two) but at least they are getting games. I'd say Armagh, Monaghan, Roscommon and Galway would all love to play 3 more championship games so that they can better themselves.

I'd be curious what fans from those counties would prefer next year. A once off game against one of the provincial winners or 3 more games.

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Re: Super 8s
« Reply #764 on: August 11, 2017, 05:36:09 PM »
We got 2 games this year!!
Our lads need to train more than this year's  starting in April lark if we're to be able for 3 big games in successive weeks.
A once off game is great if you win but 3 slightly less pressurised games would be better for a developing team in my humble.
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