Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?

Started by Angelo, October 22, 2020, 10:36:07 AM

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Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?

Yes
122 (71.8%)
No
48 (28.2%)

Total Members Voted: 170

Franko

Quote from: Angelo on November 12, 2020, 09:20:52 AM
So the Pfizer CEO sold $5.5m worth of shares on the day the vaccine was announced.......

Another weird correlation in the whole Covid debate.

Those who complain most about 'fearmongering' in relation to the disease are the worst proponents of it when it comes to the vaccine.

No doubt you didn't mean to do this Angelo and the ....... after your sentence was meant to read "in a deal that was initially pre-arranged in February and extended again in August"

armaghniac

Quote from: Franko on November 12, 2020, 05:32:10 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 12, 2020, 09:20:52 AM
So the Pfizer CEO sold $5.5m worth of shares on the day the vaccine was announced.......

Another weird correlation in the whole Covid debate.

Those who complain most about 'fearmongering' in relation to the disease are the worst proponents of it when it comes to the vaccine.

No doubt you didn't mean to do this Angelo and the ....... after your sentence was meant to read "in a deal that was initially pre-arranged in February and extended again in August"

Quite. They downplay the disease that has killed 1.3m people, while fearmongering about the vaccine that has been delveoped to the highest medical standard, tested on tens of thousands of people and approved by independent experts. That's logical.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

Angelo

Quote from: dublin7 on November 12, 2020, 11:20:02 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 12, 2020, 09:20:52 AM
So the Pfizer CEO sold $5.5m worth of shares on the day the vaccine was announced.......

What you left out there was this was done as he had arranged a deal with his broker months ago that he was to sell a percentage of his shares if the share price reached a certain price.

This is what happened this week. While the optics of it certainly aren't good his remaining shares are worth 9 times his annual salary and it's not like he sold his entire holding.   

The US stock exchange would be all over this if they suspected insider trading and you can do jail time for that in the US.

How does that change things?

You seem to have great faith in the ethics of the US stock exchange and billion dollar pharma.....
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dublin7

Quote from: Angelo on November 13, 2020, 10:39:02 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 12, 2020, 11:20:02 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 12, 2020, 09:20:52 AM
So the Pfizer CEO sold $5.5m worth of shares on the day the vaccine was announced.......

What you left out there was this was done as he had arranged a deal with his broker months ago that he was to sell a percentage of his shares if the share price reached a certain price.

This is what happened this week. While the optics of it certainly aren't good his remaining shares are worth 9 times his annual salary and it's not like he sold his entire holding.   

The US stock exchange would be all over this if they suspected insider trading and you can do jail time for that in the US.

How does that change things?

You seem to have great faith in the ethics of the US stock exchange and billion dollar pharma.....

The CEO of Pfizer must be very well qualified and intelligent to even get appointed in the first place, but I doubt fortune telling or ability to tell the future is on his CV or a factor for him being appointed.

August 19th Mr. Borla signed a contract to sell a portion of his shares if they reached a certain price. He can't set the price of the shares on the stock market. That's set based on all manner of factors such as company performance, dividends, projections for example. He's been with the company in one role or another for the last 25 years, has an annual salary of $17m and this deal followed all rules and regulations for insider trading.

Every major pharmaceutical company in the world is working on a vaccine at the moment. There is no way back in August he could have known Pfizer would be the first to company to announce they have a potential vaccine.



   

armaghniac

If someone who had shares then sells shares after the public announcement then there is nothing untoward about that. What would be suspicious would be buying shares last week in order to sell them this week.

Meanwhile the Russians have said that their vaccine is also effective and Moderna will shortly be announcing similar success to Pfizer.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

Angelo

Quote from: dublin7 on November 13, 2020, 11:14:39 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 13, 2020, 10:39:02 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 12, 2020, 11:20:02 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 12, 2020, 09:20:52 AM
So the Pfizer CEO sold $5.5m worth of shares on the day the vaccine was announced.......

What you left out there was this was done as he had arranged a deal with his broker months ago that he was to sell a percentage of his shares if the share price reached a certain price.

This is what happened this week. While the optics of it certainly aren't good his remaining shares are worth 9 times his annual salary and it's not like he sold his entire holding.   

The US stock exchange would be all over this if they suspected insider trading and you can do jail time for that in the US.

How does that change things?

You seem to have great faith in the ethics of the US stock exchange and billion dollar pharma.....

The CEO of Pfizer must be very well qualified and intelligent to even get appointed in the first place, but I doubt fortune telling or ability to tell the future is on his CV or a factor for him being appointed.

August 19th Mr. Borla signed a contract to sell a portion of his shares if they reached a certain price. He can't set the price of the shares on the stock market. That's set based on all manner of factors such as company performance, dividends, projections for example. He's been with the company in one role or another for the last 25 years, has an annual salary of $17m and this deal followed all rules and regulations for insider trading.

Every major pharmaceutical company in the world is working on a vaccine at the moment. There is no way back in August he could have known Pfizer would be the first to company to announce they have a potential vaccine.





He signed that contract three months ago. Why do you think they reached that price?
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Baile Brigín 2

Quote from: Angelo on November 13, 2020, 10:39:02 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 12, 2020, 11:20:02 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 12, 2020, 09:20:52 AM
So the Pfizer CEO sold $5.5m worth of shares on the day the vaccine was announced.......

What you left out there was this was done as he had arranged a deal with his broker months ago that he was to sell a percentage of his shares if the share price reached a certain price.

This is what happened this week. While the optics of it certainly aren't good his remaining shares are worth 9 times his annual salary and it's not like he sold his entire holding.   

The US stock exchange would be all over this if they suspected insider trading and you can do jail time for that in the US.

How does that change things?

You seem to have great faith in the ethics of the US stock exchange and billion dollar pharma.....

You have an interesting relationship with facts

Franko

Quote from: Angelo on November 13, 2020, 12:12:33 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 13, 2020, 11:14:39 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 13, 2020, 10:39:02 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 12, 2020, 11:20:02 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 12, 2020, 09:20:52 AM
So the Pfizer CEO sold $5.5m worth of shares on the day the vaccine was announced.......

What you left out there was this was done as he had arranged a deal with his broker months ago that he was to sell a percentage of his shares if the share price reached a certain price.

This is what happened this week. While the optics of it certainly aren't good his remaining shares are worth 9 times his annual salary and it's not like he sold his entire holding.   

The US stock exchange would be all over this if they suspected insider trading and you can do jail time for that in the US.

How does that change things?

You seem to have great faith in the ethics of the US stock exchange and billion dollar pharma.....

The CEO of Pfizer must be very well qualified and intelligent to even get appointed in the first place, but I doubt fortune telling or ability to tell the future is on his CV or a factor for him being appointed.

August 19th Mr. Borla signed a contract to sell a portion of his shares if they reached a certain price. He can't set the price of the shares on the stock market. That's set based on all manner of factors such as company performance, dividends, projections for example. He's been with the company in one role or another for the last 25 years, has an annual salary of $17m and this deal followed all rules and regulations for insider trading.

Every major pharmaceutical company in the world is working on a vaccine at the moment. There is no way back in August he could have known Pfizer would be the first to company to announce they have a potential vaccine.





He signed that contract three months ago. Why do you think they reached that price?

If you've a point to make in relation to this, then you should probably make it.

'Back yourself' as you might say.

GetOverTheBar

The question I have here is, did any of you think that these people raced to get this vaccine over the line for anything other than the cash reward?

Milltown Row2

Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 13, 2020, 02:20:38 PM
The question I have here is, did any of you think that these people raced to get this vaccine over the line for anything other than the cash reward?

Cash helps but the likes of Louis Pasteur developed vaccines because they wanted to help people
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LCohen

Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 13, 2020, 02:20:38 PM
The question I have here is, did any of you think that these people raced to get this vaccine over the line for anything other than the cash reward?

Yes

GetOverTheBar

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 13, 2020, 02:54:30 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 13, 2020, 02:20:38 PM
The question I have here is, did any of you think that these people raced to get this vaccine over the line for anything other than the cash reward?

Cash helps but the likes of Louis Pasteur developed vaccines because they wanted to help people

There was no stock market in those days though. First past the post in this race paid big.

LCohen

Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 13, 2020, 03:13:17 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 13, 2020, 02:54:30 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 13, 2020, 02:20:38 PM
The question I have here is, did any of you think that these people raced to get this vaccine over the line for anything other than the cash reward?

Cash helps but the likes of Louis Pasteur developed vaccines because they wanted to help people

There was no stock market in those days though. First past the post in this race paid big.

No stock market?? When exactly do you think Louis Pasteur was around??

Also a bit early to say the big reward is for the first vaccine to be approved. It's not even approved yet

Angelo

Quote from: LCohen on November 13, 2020, 03:28:00 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 13, 2020, 03:13:17 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 13, 2020, 02:54:30 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 13, 2020, 02:20:38 PM
The question I have here is, did any of you think that these people raced to get this vaccine over the line for anything other than the cash reward?

Cash helps but the likes of Louis Pasteur developed vaccines because they wanted to help people

There was no stock market in those days though. First past the post in this race paid big.

No stock market?? When exactly do you think Louis Pasteur was around??

Also a bit early to say the big reward is for the first vaccine to be approved. It's not even approved yet

A bit early for the EU to be ordering 300m doses so?
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GetOverTheBar

Quote from: LCohen on November 13, 2020, 03:28:00 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 13, 2020, 03:13:17 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 13, 2020, 02:54:30 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 13, 2020, 02:20:38 PM
The question I have here is, did any of you think that these people raced to get this vaccine over the line for anything other than the cash reward?

Cash helps but the likes of Louis Pasteur developed vaccines because they wanted to help people

There was no stock market in those days though. First past the post in this race paid big.

No stock market?? When exactly do you think Louis Pasteur was around??

Also a bit early to say the big reward is for the first vaccine to be approved. It's not even approved yet

Modern stock market as we know it......

I'm assuming it's formality for approval since we have various people saying publicly saying they would have no problem injecting their relatives with it etc

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-professor-jonathan-van-tam-uses-mum-test-to-reassure-britons-over-vaccine-safety-12129815