Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?

[JoG2]

James OBrien on LBC atm talking about the vaccine and conspiracy theories.. Worth a listen

[Seaney]

And yet you still haven't made your point.

If you can't understand the point, that's not my issue.  You are first in the queue with the family so any point will be irrelevant to you.

[Franko]

And yet you still haven't made your point.

If you can't understand the point, that's not my issue.  You are first in the queue with the family so any point will be irrelevant to you.

Another post.  No points made.

[Seaney]

Looks like you have made 2000+ pointless posts.

[Franko]

Looks like you have made 2000+ pointless posts.

And another one.

[Seaney]

You are embarrassing yourself at this stage kid, it's quite sad.  Please reply and another one!

[Franko]

You are embarrassing yourself at this stage kid, it's quite sad.  Please reply and another one!

You are on a roll here.

[dublin7]

So why are you comparing the results of clinical trials for a new vaccine with something that has been around for 50 years?

I'm comparing the effectiveness of todays MMR vaccine with the clinical trials of the Covid vaccine.

Surely you are not suggesting the with unlimited cash, 50 years of scientific improvements, and the fact that they are different diseases/vaccines, the initial clinical trial results should be the same?

Where did I say that - please let me know - I never mentioned MMR it was you and someone else brought it up!

I brought up MMR because while I have don't have any experience or knowledge when it comes to creating vaccines I am aware how successful and important the MMR vaccine is and I wondered how your chemical engineer friend could have forgotten that when he claimed no vaccine is close to 90% successful

I also looked up the original trials for testing measles vaccinations and in the early 60s they introduced the first vaccine after a 95% success rate in trials. You might want to check that with your chemical engineer friend the next time your talking to him (or her)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4007870/

[Seaney]

So why are you comparing the results of clinical trials for a new vaccine with something that has been around for 50 years?

I'm comparing the effectiveness of todays MMR vaccine with the clinical trials of the Covid vaccine.

Surely you are not suggesting the with unlimited cash, 50 years of scientific improvements, and the fact that they are different diseases/vaccines, the initial clinical trial results should be the same?

Where did I say that - please let me know - I never mentioned MMR it was you and someone else brought it up!

I brought up MMR because while I have don't have any experience or knowledge when it comes to creating vaccines I am aware how successful and important the MMR vaccine is and I wondered how your chemical engineer friend could have forgotten that when he claimed no vaccine is close to 90% successful

I also looked up the original trials for testing measles vaccinations and in the early 60s they introduced the first vaccine after a 95% success rate in trials. You might want to check that with your chemical engineer friend the next time your talking to him (or her)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4007870/

He didn't say that nor did I post that but lets not allow facts to cloud your lies there.  As for your article why not cut and paste the evidence of the clinical trials before the vaccine went live for the 95% success for it.

[Seaney]

You are embarrassing yourself at this stage kid, it's quite sad.  Please reply and another one!

You are on a roll here.

Complete redner - you should be totally embarrassed, maybe go for a walk.

[dublin7]

So why are you comparing the results of clinical trials for a new vaccine with something that has been around for 50 years?

I'm comparing the effectiveness of todays MMR vaccine with the clinical trials of the Covid vaccine.

Surely you are not suggesting the with unlimited cash, 50 years of scientific improvements, and the fact that they are different diseases/vaccines, the initial clinical trial results should be the same?

Where did I say that - please let me know - I never mentioned MMR it was you and someone else brought it up!

I brought up MMR because while I have don't have any experience or knowledge when it comes to creating vaccines I am aware how successful and important the MMR vaccine is and I wondered how your chemical engineer friend could have forgotten that when he claimed no vaccine is close to 90% successful

I also looked up the original trials for testing measles vaccinations and in the early 60s they introduced the first vaccine after a 95% success rate in trials. You might want to check that with your chemical engineer friend the next time your talking to him (or her)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4007870/

He didn't say that nor did I post that but lets not allow facts to cloud your lies there.  As for your article why not cut and paste the evidence of the clinical trials before the vaccine went live for the 95% success for it.

Quote from: Seaney on November 10, 2020, 09:56:41 PM
Talking to a chemical engineer tonight, none. The 90% apparently has never been achieved in history not even close.

As I said previously I don't know alot about medicines/vaccines, but I can read at a decent level and I'm quite good with numbers. The problem with bullsh**ing is it gets very hard to remember what you said/posted previously.

[LCohen]

Seaney - help me out here.

Do you think that an unsafe vaccine will be rolled out?
If so what is your basis?
In what circumstances would you take a vaccine?
What is your appetite for risk in this regard?

[Franko]

So why are you comparing the results of clinical trials for a new vaccine with something that has been around for 50 years?

I'm comparing the effectiveness of todays MMR vaccine with the clinical trials of the Covid vaccine.

Surely you are not suggesting the with unlimited cash, 50 years of scientific improvements, and the fact that they are different diseases/vaccines, the initial clinical trial results should be the same?

Where did I say that - please let me know - I never mentioned MMR it was you and someone else brought it up!

I brought up MMR because while I have don't have any experience or knowledge when it comes to creating vaccines I am aware how successful and important the MMR vaccine is and I wondered how your chemical engineer friend could have forgotten that when he claimed no vaccine is close to 90% successful

I also looked up the original trials for testing measles vaccinations and in the early 60s they introduced the first vaccine after a 95% success rate in trials. You might want to check that with your chemical engineer friend the next time your talking to him (or her)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4007870/

He didn't say that nor did I post that but lets not allow facts to cloud your lies there.  As for your article why not cut and paste the evidence of the clinical trials before the vaccine went live for the 95% success for it.

So not only are you unwilling to make an actual point, you are now denying the half story that you DID tell.

Redner indeed.

[Seaney]

So why are you comparing the results of clinical trials for a new vaccine with something that has been around for 50 years?

I'm comparing the effectiveness of todays MMR vaccine with the clinical trials of the Covid vaccine.

Surely you are not suggesting the with unlimited cash, 50 years of scientific improvements, and the fact that they are different diseases/vaccines, the initial clinical trial results should be the same?

Where did I say that - please let me know - I never mentioned MMR it was you and someone else brought it up!

I brought up MMR because while I have don't have any experience or knowledge when it comes to creating vaccines I am aware how successful and important the MMR vaccine is and I wondered how your chemical engineer friend could have forgotten that when he claimed no vaccine is close to 90% successful

I also looked up the original trials for testing measles vaccinations and in the early 60s they introduced the first vaccine after a 95% success rate in trials. You might want to check that with your chemical engineer friend the next time your talking to him (or her)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4007870/

He didn't say that nor did I post that but lets not allow facts to cloud your lies there.  As for your article why not cut and paste the evidence of the clinical trials before the vaccine went live for the 95% success for it.

Quote from: Seaney on November 10, 2020, 09:56:41 PM
Talking to a chemical engineer tonight, none. The 90% apparently has never been achieved in history not even close.

As I said previously I don't know alot about medicines/vaccines, but I can read at a decent level and I'm quite good with numbers. The problem with bullsh**ing is it gets very hard to remember what you said/posted previously.

It is like talking to a child trying to do their homework!

Apologies I assumed most would know that the new vaccine was only in clinical trials as it's only the biggest story in the world. Ill add that bit as folk on here really just want to mock and think they are winning something rather than debate, but whatever floats your boat.

Talking to a chemical engineer tonight, none. The 90% apparently has never been achieved in history not even close. (In clinical trials)

Happy?

[Seaney]

The vaccine is not live yet - do you now get it? Penny dropping at all?