English FA Cup 2017

Started by From the Bunker, January 08, 2017, 09:04:18 PM

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From the Bunker

Does anybody care?

Cardiff City v Fulham



Hull v Swansea




thewobbler

You cared enough to open a thread

From the Bunker

Quote from: thewobbler on January 08, 2017, 09:07:38 PM
You cared enough to open a thread

Yeah, I'm old Skool! When the FA Cup final day took up your full day on a Saturday morning! Cameras on the team bus going to Wembley! B rated Pop stars writing songs about their teams getting to the Final and performing on TOTP. The Premiership, the Champions League have all but put paid to this romance. The third place play-off for promotion to the Premiership is a bigger game now a days.

thewobbler


What the FA Cup romantics don't seem to understand is that the magic of the FA CUp is that it was televised.

For anyone under 35, i.e. people who've had SKY coverage of the EPL since they're old enough to remember, the FA Cup is only a distraction.

Tony Baloney

The teams in the higher echelons of the league don't give a shit about it so the punters are hardly going to shell out to see 2 reserve teams play. If the winner went into the qualifying stage of the CL you might see more interest.

mrdeeds

The day Utd withdrew from it was the day it died.

BennyCake

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Quote from: mrdeeds on January 08, 2017, 10:11:42 PM
The day Utd withdrew from it was the day it died.

Nope. When TV money for the PL became absolutely ridiculous was when it died. Dozens of teams that were capable of winning the cup became fixated with staying in the PL or gaining promotion to it, rendering the cup worthless.

Boycey

Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 08, 2017, 10:00:27 PM
The teams in the higher echelons of the league don't give a shit about it so the punters are hardly going to shell out to see 2 reserve teams play. If the winner went into the qualifying stage of the CL you might see more interest.

27 of the last 30 finals have been won by teams currently in the top six I'd say the top teams are interested enough..

BennyCake

Quote from: Boycey on January 08, 2017, 10:24:30 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 08, 2017, 10:00:27 PM
The teams in the higher echelons of the league don't give a shit about it so the punters are hardly going to shell out to see 2 reserve teams play. If the winner went into the qualifying stage of the CL you might see more interest.

27 of the last 30 finals have been won by teams currently in the top six I'd say the top teams are interested enough..

The top 6 are the only teams who can play reserve teams and still good enough to go far in the cup. Lower teams don't have that luxury, and go out early.

mrdeeds

When you see Bournemouth putting out reserves what's the point. Won't win league and won't get relegated and still won't try to win a cup.

J70

Quote from: Boycey on January 08, 2017, 10:24:30 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 08, 2017, 10:00:27 PM
The teams in the higher echelons of the league don't give a shit about it so the punters are hardly going to shell out to see 2 reserve teams play. If the winner went into the qualifying stage of the CL you might see more interest.

27 of the last 30 finals have been won by teams currently in the top six I'd say the top teams are interested enough..

But its going the same way as the league cup. Play the reserves and if you get through, great, you can take a serious interest if you make the semis (or meet a rival). If you don't get through, no one cares. Its just that one of the top teams always does seem to sleepwalk their way through the early-mid rounds.

What is the make-up of the semis in recent years? Have those featured a lot of the top six teams?

seafoid

Quote from: BennyCake on January 08, 2017, 10:17:00 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 08, 2017, 10:11:42 PM
The day Utd withdrew from it was the day it died.

Nope. When TV money for the PL became absolutely ridiculous was when it died. Dozens of teams that were capable of winning the cup became fixated with staying in the PL or gaining promotion to it, rendering the cup worthless.
The FA own the PL so they killed the FA Cup
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Tony Baloney

Quote from: J70 on January 08, 2017, 10:46:19 PM
Quote from: Boycey on January 08, 2017, 10:24:30 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 08, 2017, 10:00:27 PM
The teams in the higher echelons of the league don't give a shit about it so the punters are hardly going to shell out to see 2 reserve teams play. If the winner went into the qualifying stage of the CL you might see more interest.

27 of the last 30 finals have been won by teams currently in the top six I'd say the top teams are interested enough..

But its going the same way as the league cup. Play the reserves and if you get through, great, you can take a serious interest if you make the semis (or meet a rival). If you don't get through, no one cares. Its just that one of the top teams always does seem to sleepwalk their way through the early-mid rounds.

What is the make-up of the semis in recent years? Have those featured a lot of the top six teams?
That's what I meant but expressed more effectively  :D.

T Fearon

FA Cup has always been an anomaly.Great managers like Clough and Paisley never won it.Second division teams like Sunderland and Southampton won it against the odds in the 1970s.The fact that up to the 90s only Spurs and Arsenal managed to do the double in the 20th Century shows how difficult it was for teams with good league records to sustain a cup run,even more so nowadays when they might have Champions League to contend with as well.

Romance in the old days was largely due to it being the only televised club game live all year.

BennyCake

Quote from: seafoid on January 08, 2017, 11:25:35 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 08, 2017, 10:17:00 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 08, 2017, 10:11:42 PM
The day Utd withdrew from it was the day it died.

Nope. When TV money for the PL became absolutely ridiculous was when it died. Dozens of teams that were capable of winning the cup became fixated with staying in the PL or gaining promotion to it, rendering the cup worthless.
The FA own the PL so they killed the FA Cup

The GAA own the AI championships, so they killed the provincial championships.

But there's more money involved in the PL. More coverage, more games. Sure it's even got to the stage where teams aren't taking Europe seriously as the PL is more important to them.