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Agreed. And as mentioned before, in a game where Greencastle were fighting for a goal coming to the end of normal time, Sludden found fit to call 5 minutes of injury time desite there not being a single significant stoppage in the entire game.

Stew, above post just messing about. (But seriously, we do get it. Enough already.)

Genuine questions though (from someone who is leaning strongly towards Avery being guilty). What are you views on these issues:

1. No blood/blood splatter/DNA found in the bedroom or the garage, the two places where she was apparently killed?
2. No bullets found in the remains after the fire (and only one bullet apparently found, not until after repeated searches) despite prosecution claims that she was shot "multiple" times (and again, no blood splatter anywhere)
3. Why was the blood sample tampered with?

I had a Retail Store in Manitowoc when this was going on

I lived 35 miles from this maggot and I know all about his past

I watched yhe thing in real time and do not need to watch something that is slanted

I lived here during this trial

everybody I know over here knows he is guilty but you sheep, 3000 mile away know better

I lived through this trial .... I have known the details of this case for a decade, as does most people from the area,

This brings up some bad memories... probably the close proximity of the thing.

I worked out of seven Retail Stores during all of this in three counties, Manitowoc County, Sheboygan County and Calumet county, I know many, many people in this area as I have spent forty percent of my life in it

I have first hand experience with the Manitowoc PD

I lived in the area.

OK Stew. You used to live in the area. We get that.

[might give some small token of recognition to the fact that many Nationalist view the ROI team as theirs? You have three or four Northerners in the squad and a Northern manager. It is typically disingenuous behaviour by Unionist politicians who don't want any vestiges of Irishness about the place.]

How is it pathetic to expect that unionists might give some small token of recognition to the fact that many Nationalist view the ROI team as theirs? You have three or four Northerners in the squad and a Northern manager. It is typically disingenuous behaviour by Unionist politicians who don't want any vestiges of Irishness about the place.

If the comments over the last page or so are anything to go by, there are no shortage of "nationalists" (presumably nationalist anyway) who aren't all that keen on recognising that fact either.

South Kildare/Carow - lad. Well lad!

Nationwide, surely? Certainly the greeting of choice for young men in Tyrone too.

[till 1969]

They mainly ignored them till 1969 though.

And they (the free state) didn't ignore the six counties post-1969? Pull the other one ffs. Unless total disassociation and ambivalence/disdain can be done without first stopping the "ignoring" strategy first.

I will take on Danny Hughes with this team:
Cluxton, Marc O'Se, Moynihan, Keith Higgins, Tomas O'Se, Cian O'Sullivan, Jordan, Dara O'Se, S Cavanagh, Dooher, Cooper, McConville, Canavan, Murphy, B Brogan

Mine would be:
Cluxton. M O Se, Moynihan, K Lacey, T O Se, McGeeney, Jordan, D O Se, Cavanagh, Dooher, Declan o Sullivan, P Flynn, Cooper, Canavan, B Brogan.

Any 'Team of the Last 15 Years' that doesn't have Canavan and Gormely on it, is null and void from the discussion.

Does it go back beyond 2003?

In it's defence, as far as football goes, it's basically entirely focused on the club. So yeah, it goes back a few years before that 

This Teamtalk crowd are an embarrassment to the GAA and the good gaels of Tyrone!

You are embarrassment to the GAA and good gaels, care to clarify this comment at all now?

5. The Ulster council "we'll keep the statement private" approach says plenty without saying anything (IMO!) It says the incident happened but we have no independent proof so want to put it to bed. (Without proof players can't be suspended)

What you on about?
This teamtalk crowd have spun a story to suit a very very biased Tyrone agenda. I would expect this from an idiot on a high stool full of pints but not from a GAA publication. Perhaps on this occasion they are one in the same. I also find Bonners comments irresponsible.

Spun a story? They reported that the Ulster Council investigation concluded that the sledging about a player's father's death didn't happen and this report has proven to be 100% accurate.

This Teamtalk crowd are an embarrassment to the GAA and the good gaels of Tyrone!

For accurately reporting on a GAA story?

Couple of lads saying teamtalk have not been vindicated but haven't explained their logic.

Teamtalk got wind that the ulster council report found that sledging about a player's father's death didn't happen, and that has turned out to be 100% accurate.

[accept that the comments were not about the death of the player's father"]

Where did you see that?

The Irish News, Page 70.

" A copy of the report, seen by The Irish News, says "On balance of probabilities and following a review of the evidence it was likely that some Tyrone players made unwelcome verbal comments toward the Donegal player during the game. Both County Committees and the Investigation Committee accept that the comments were not about the death of the player's father".

I wonder if Donegal knew that it would get leaked to the paper, would they have been so quick to claim that Teamtalk's statement was "factually incorrect".

Irish News has reported on the Ulster Council report. It has found that while sledging did occur, it was not about the death of a player's father.

Looks to me like Teamtalk's version of events has been vindicated and Donegal's claim that the Teamtalk statement was factually incorrect, was itself factually incorrect.

I wonder will Declan Bonner man up and apologise.

[have]

You had Bonner hung out to dry when you weren't privy to the detail of what happened and that's wrong...

Yeah you shouldn't proclaim something to be the truth when you don't know the whole facts, eh Screenexile?

So not only have Tyrone players called out a lad for his Father dying of cancer but...

Teamtalk is like a self appointed spokesman for Tyrone GAA and not for the first time was way out on their 'facts'...

Teamtalk are not a "self appointed spokesman". They are a core of people with a passion for GAA, mainly at club level, who promote it across the county through match updates and weekly radio commentary from selected club games, and often weekly radio chat shows, and who run an annual club all-stars banquet to honour club footballers. All in all, they are a resource that club people in any other county would kill to have and they deserve continued support.