Who is the most bitter after Dubs do 5 in a row

[TheGreatest]

Did anyone ask Peter where the €120m from the British Govt to the Ulster council is gone? has this been distributed equally among all 32 counties?

Most immature post of the year.

How so? This funding coincided with the AI wins of Armagh & Tyrone did it not?

It did. People have short memories, however i would never say the great Tyrone team of the noughties was financially doped. Or were they?

From 2009 share Curren interview:

Former Roscommon goalkeeper Shane Curran has made the extraordinary claim that Tyrone and Armagh's recent All-Ireland successes were down to generous funding from the British Government. His controversial comments in this week's Roscommon Champion newspaper are sure to raise the ire of GAA players, officials and supporters in the North. Curran insists that the extra funding has given northern counties a distinct advantage over their southern counterparts in terms of preparation, and that their success has little to do with ability. "Since the inception of the backdoor, demographics along with financial clout, have dictated who does and does not compete for All-Ireland honours," the St. Brigid's clubman said. "The emergence of the northern counties owes as much to the peace process and financial assistance afforded to them by Her Majesty than any real innovation. "Money has played a significant part in the development to which Tyrone and to a lesser extent Armagh have made to the modern game." Curran will be on the sideline in Mullingar tomorrow when his Caulry charges face St. Paul's This makes alot of sense getting funding off 2 countrys.

[Rossfan]

If Cake is your evidence......

[TheGreatest]

What a facility, Dublin can only dream of. A far cry from Innisfails in Kinsealy where even the pitch is slanted.

https://www.the42.ie/tyrone-garvaghey-project-1124677-Oct2013/

[Will it ever end]

 Agreed Dublin financial clout is extraordinary but you still have to stand back & appreciate they have some of the finest players in a generation playing together which has underpinned any of their success.

The redistribution of money from Central Council certainly should be looked at but that's only part of the answer, if you have the wrong people within the county boards spending said money it's only wasted.

[Lar Naparka]

Did anyone ask Peter where the €120m from the British Govt to the Ulster council is gone? has this been distributed equally among all 32 counties?

Most immature post of the year.

How so? This funding coincided with the AI wins of Armagh & Tyrone did it not?

It did. People have short memories, however i would never say the great Tyrone team of the noughties was financially doped. Or were they?

From 2009 share Curren interview:

Former Roscommon goalkeeper Shane Curran has made the extraordinary claim that Tyrone and Armagh's recent All-Ireland successes were down to generous funding from the British Government. His controversial comments in this week's Roscommon Champion newspaper are sure to raise the ire of GAA players, officials and supporters in the North. Curran insists that the extra funding has given northern counties a distinct advantage over their southern counterparts in terms of preparation, and that their success has little to do with ability. "Since the inception of the backdoor, demographics along with financial clout, have dictated who does and does not compete for All-Ireland honours," the St. Brigid's clubman said. "The emergence of the northern counties owes as much to the peace process and financial assistance afforded to them by Her Majesty than any real innovation. "Money has played a significant part in the development to which Tyrone and to a lesser extent Armagh have made to the modern game." Curran will be on the sideline in Mullingar tomorrow when his Caulry charges face St. Paul's This makes alot of sense getting funding off 2 countrys.

Dunno if there is a connection or not but Curran made his claim the week after Brolly said something similar in the Irish News.
He clammed that Tyrone was the one all others would be chasing and he put it down to the development work going on at underage level, thanks to the funds from the GFA- or something like that.

[heffo]

If Cake is your evidence......

https://books.google.ie/books?id=eOL4AwAAQBAJ&pg=PT195&lpg=PT195&dq=ulster+council+british+grants+gaa&source=bl&ots=jRh_IhDej1&sig=ACfU3U1m2GJUrHOGUK3UA45PbvY1GOpSuA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjQuMPKudzkAhUG1xoKHV1eDqc4FBDoATACegQICBAB#v=onepage&q=ulster%20council%20british%20grants%20gaa&f=false

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[heffo]

If we want to have the funding discussion lets have it but it has to be balanced.

Is the funding (most of it cash) from the counties with big supporters clubs included in the annual figures?
What about cash from 'influential backers' such as those alluded to in getting rid of Stephen Rochford?
Do the Ulster counties get funding from multiple sources - Westminster/GAA HQ and Ulster council?
What happened to the (heavily funded by Intel) Kildare underage development scheme in the 90's? Cash get misplaced?
Are Kildare still getting six figure grants from Intel for their schools and clubs and if so, where is this money going?

[oakleafgael]

If we want to have the funding discussion lets have it but it has to be balanced.

Is the funding (most of it cash) from the counties with big supporters clubs included in the annual figures?
What about cash from 'influential backers' such as those alluded to in getting rid of Stephen Rochford?
Do the Ulster counties get funding from multiple sources - Westminster/GAA HQ and Ulster council?
What happened to the (heavily funded by Intel) Kildare underage development scheme in the 90's? Cash get misplaced?
Are Kildare still getting six figure grants from Intel for their schools and clubs and if so, where is this money going?

Heffo,

Thats a fair point in bold above, however, the link you provided gives no evidence of the 120 million other than stating it in writing?

[Lar Naparka]

If we want to have the funding discussion lets have it but it has to be balanced.

Is the funding (most of it cash) from the counties with big supporters clubs included in the annual figures?
What about cash from 'influential backers' such as those alluded to in getting rid of Stephen Rochford?
Do the Ulster counties get funding from multiple sources - Westminster/GAA HQ and Ulster council?
What happened to the (heavily funded by Intel) Kildare underage development scheme in the 90's? Cash get misplaced?
Are Kildare still getting six figure grants from Intel for their schools and clubs and if so, where is this money going?

I'm all for that but I can't see it happening any time soon.
I can't see the Dublin CB disclosing the full list of sponsors partners and how much each individual deal is worth.

[mup]

If we want to have the funding discussion lets have it but it has to be balanced.

Is the funding (most of it cash) from the counties with big supporters clubs included in the annual figures?
What about cash from 'influential backers' such as those alluded to in getting rid of Stephen Rochford?
Do the Ulster counties get funding from multiple sources - Westminster/GAA HQ and Ulster council?
What happened to the (heavily funded by Intel) Kildare underage development scheme in the 90's? Cash get misplaced?
Are Kildare still getting six figure grants from Intel for their schools and clubs and if so, where is this money going?

What money from Intel? Can you provide a link to these figures?

[seafoid]

Does anyone see things going back to normal in the next few years?

[Blowitupref]

Does anyone see things going back to normal in the next few years?

What is the definition of normal, Dublin losing championship games?

[Rossfan]

What do you call normal?
We'll have a biteen of local excitement in Connacht and th'Ulsters will have their annual love in. Only 3 teams won Ulster in this decade?
Munster will see if Kerry reach 100 before Cork reach 50.
Leinster will be about who gets to lose to Dublin in the Final .
The AI (tier 1 if it hapoens) will be about who Dublin with its huge numbers, resources, finances, home venue etc. beat in the Final.
If Tier 2 happens might generate a bit of excitement for the bottom 16 and the Leagues will at least give every County a chance of a pre season Cupeen.

[seafoid]

What do you call normal?
We'll have a biteen of local excitement in Connacht and th'Ulsters will have their annual love in. Only 3 teams won Ulster in this decade?
Munster will see if Kerry reach 100 before Cork reach 50.
Leinster will be about who gets to lose to Dublin in the Final .
The AI (tier 1 if it hapoens) will be about who Dublin with its huge numbers, resources, finances, home venue etc. beat in the Final.
If Tier 2 happens might generate a bit of excitement for the bottom 16 and the Leagues will at least give every County a chance of a more season Cupeen.

Normal would be :
- the Dubs losing a Leinster final
- Someone else winning the all Ireland or maybe 2 different teams winning the next 3 Sams
- Dubs getting no All Stars

as opposed to the current Dub Japanese knotweed model

[Halfquarter]

Topic was on prime time there this evening. Anyone with RTE1 +1 will get it at 22:30

Link ?
Great praise for those Dublin GAA volunteers from the chairman of Na Fianna. Undoubtably the best and hardest working volunteers in the land. And an example to the rest of us.

The Na Fianna man refused to acknowledge the exorbitant funding available to Dublin GAA. He confirmed the bar has been raised and it is up to all other counties to raise their levels to catch up. And  he mentioned the hundreds of thousands of hours the volunteers put in including his club's 174 teams

It was pretty pointless having someone like him on prime time (a club mate of John Horan). He had no authority to speak about the Dublin finances.

You have to admit it was poorly covered. McStay was asked his opinion and he danced around the issue.  The Na Fianna lad stuck to the script, ''we have suffered, it's our time now, full credit to our amazing volunteers''. Sounbytes were played from an Ewan McKenna interview done earlier on Skype. Ewan on Twitter said the interview was 19 minutes long and was condensed to 90 seconds. So you can imagine how much detail was used from that interview.

In all it had a feel of RTE wanting to cover the topic but not wanting to ruffle any feathers in the Capital.

It's dangerous ground here. You don't want to be upsetting sponsors and a majority of the work force in RTE are from Dublin.

So here we are the rhetoric from Dublin who has set the bar so high, telling us (the rest of the Gaelic family) To get our house in order and try harder.

"Qu'ils mangent de la brioche"

Answer these questions though:

Is your county team manager and his backroom team as good as Jim Gavin and his crew?
Have they instilled the same humility, dedication to the process and mental strength into their panellists?
Is your county board as good as Dublin's?
Does your county board develop strategic plans to move your county forward and see them through?
Do you have a defined, successful pathway to develop underage players through to the county setup?
Do you rush players into the senior team in the hope they can bring instant success rather than introduce them gradually?

I think nearly all counties are falling short in some way. Dublin are probably at maximum at present. My experience over my lifetime tells me that this doesn't last forever and no Dublin supporter I talk to thinks it will either. And it won't. This crying and cribbing over money used to coach kids in national schools is pitiful really.

Peter Canavan said that Dublin uphold an amateur ethos with a professional structure while the rest maintain an amateur ethos within an amateur structure.
They have professionalised player development.
Dublin Country board insist that they still have loads of work to do in Cherrywood so please keep the money flowing in.
They don't care about the health of the game of Gaelic Football.
Neither do the suits in Croke Park.

Did anyone ask Peter where the €120m from the British Govt to the Ulster council is gone? has this been distributed equally among all 32 counties?

Link ?