https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2023/1110/1415789-a-farce-fermanagh-captain-slams-ahl-exclusion-plan/
A Fermanagh hurler has labelled proposals to potentially exclude a number of counties from the Allianz League from 2025 onwards as "a farce".
A recommendation from the GAA's Central Competitions Control Committee, if approved, would see any county with fewer than five adult hurling teams competing solely in the fifth-tier Lory Meagher Cup – meaning the Erne County, Cavan, Leitrim, Longford and Louth would be impacted.
With no league action, their county seasons would be reduced from six months to three with the saved spending, along with additional funding, instead aimed at improving hurling development in those counties.
Fermanagh captain Ryan Bogue, one of the longest serving inter-county hurlers having made his debut off the bench against Cavan in 2006, said he was gobsmacked when he was presented with the document explaining the possible changes.
"The whole thing seems to be made up and pulled out of the sky with no consideration put into it at all," he told RTÉ Sport.
"I wouldn't say I would be overly surprised. Over the last six, seven years, the treatment of hurling in counties like our own has definitely improved but previous to that you were always obviously second best in terms of privileges.
"I thought we had got past that but this is just back to that. Our county board is great, anything we want, we get, but this is coming from the top.
Quote from: seafoid on November 11, 2023, 02:15:29 PMhttps://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2023/1110/1415789-a-farce-fermanagh-captain-slams-ahl-exclusion-plan/
A Fermanagh hurler has labelled proposals to potentially exclude a number of counties from the Allianz League from 2025 onwards as "a farce".
A recommendation from the GAA's Central Competitions Control Committee, if approved, would see any county with fewer than five adult hurling teams competing solely in the fifth-tier Lory Meagher Cup – meaning the Erne County, Cavan, Leitrim, Longford and Louth would be impacted.
With no league action, their county seasons would be reduced from six months to three with the saved spending, along with additional funding, instead aimed at improving hurling development in those counties.
Fermanagh captain Ryan Bogue, one of the longest serving inter-county hurlers having made his debut off the bench against Cavan in 2006, said he was gobsmacked when he was presented with the document explaining the possible changes.
"The whole thing seems to be made up and pulled out of the sky with no consideration put into it at all," he told RTÉ Sport.
"I wouldn't say I would be overly surprised. Over the last six, seven years, the treatment of hurling in counties like our own has definitely improved but previous to that you were always obviously second best in terms of privileges.
"I thought we had got past that but this is just back to that. Our county board is great, anything we want, we get, but this is coming from the top.
Disgraceful decision by the GAA.
Hopefully it won't see the light of day.
The GAA has no interest in hurling in lower tier counties. In saying that, the football heads in these 5 counties have a lot to answer for. Spinning half truths.
Mc Kennna announcing, in the same week, that millions will be spent on upgrading seats etc. in the Cusack Stand.
Embarrassing by HQ.
Read about this and it seems the logic is that if you reduce the IC calendar for these counties the additional two months would be spent trying to develop more clubs...
From RTE;
If Central Council passes the recommendation, it would see Cavan, Fermanagh, Leitrim, Longford and Louth confined to the competition, reducing their inter-county season from six to three months. Louth are the only one of the counties that will play above Lory Meagher level this year.
The other three months would see an increased focus placed on hurling development on those counties.
Packages will be put in place to help raise the number of adult hurlers and teams in those counties. More coaches will be provided to schools and clubs, with a number of start-up grants available.
The CCCC says that once these counties are in a position to field five or more adult teams for a period of three years, they will be readmitted to the National Hurling League, where they currently compete in Division 3A and Division 3B.
It's estimated that a cumulative spend of €863,000 financed senior inter-county hurling panels in those counties alone this year.
The GAA is concerned that while positive work is ongoing at underage level in those counties, no progress has been made in terms of increasing adult participation. The number of teams has actually been trending in the wrong direction.
Since the GAA's annual report in 2008, Louth has gone from fielding eight sides to three (Knockbridge, Naomh Moninne, St Fechin's), Leitrim has seen a drop from five teams to two (Carrick, Glencar/Manorhamilton), Longford (Clonguish, Longford Slashers, Wolfe Tones) and Cavan (East Cavan Gaels, Cootehill Celtic, Mullahoran) have lost a team each and have three clubs, while Fermanagh is home to two teams from three (Lisbellaw, Erne Gaels).
Central Council will decide in December whether or not to adopt the motion.
I've deliberately highlighted the most important part as this isn't about developing hurling, it's about saving money...
So between these 5 county teams they'll save €863K, but I'd hazard a guess this "saving" won't be funnelled back into the club game in those respective counties.
I wondered if anyone has bothered to speak to the club hurlers in these counties to see what the actual issues are!
Surely if they are serious about promoting hurling in these 5 counties they would be providing funds for underage development. There would need to be a long term plan.
How many clubs has Mayo? Toreen and Ballyhaunis are only 2 I've heard off, how did they escape the chop. Toreen have been to an intermediate all ireland final, maybe the likes of the Mayo clubs should be used as a guide for hurling clubs in traditional football counties.
Tyrone have less than 5 too.
How much are Leitrim, Waterford and Carlow etc. spending on their senior football teams... for little in return.
How are these big shots in CP measuring value for money?
From the premierviewpodcast
The Plan to cut Intercounty Hurling in the "Weaker Counties"
November 10, 2023
Hurling Development in Weaker Counties
As part of the consultation process around the structures for the 2025 Allianz Hurling leagues,
additional feedback from some Counties focussed on the overall emphasis and spend on inter
county hurling versus progress being made in terms of broader Hurling Development.
The issue
There are five Counties who have less than 5 Adult Club Hurling teams participating annually. These
Counties, the number of adult hurling teams in each and their estimated spend on the Senior Inter
County Hurling team in 2023 are:
Cavan 3 East Cavan Gaels, Cootehill Celtic, Mullahoran (€142,000)
Fermanagh 2 Lisbellaw, Erne Gaels (€117,000)
Leitrim 2 Carrick, Glencar/Manorhamilton (€203,000)
Longford 3 Clonguish, Longford Slashers, Wolfe Tones (€182,000)
Louth 3 St Feichins, Naomh Monine, Knockbridge (€219,000)
One sample County in 2022 had two adult club hurling teams and spent in excess of €200,000 on their inter county team.
There were 29 players on the intercounty panel; 6 of these were from clubs OUTSIDE of the County
No fewer than 6 of the 23 players from inside the County FAILED to make the starting team for their
Club in that year's County final.
While there is positive work ongoing in terms of Underage Hurling Development in these counties,
there does not appear to be any significant progress being made in terms of the number of teams
participating at adult club level where the investment on hurling seems to be restricted largely to the
Adult inter county team, with very little corresponding spend on hurling coaching or games
development generally.
In fact the number of Adult hurling teams in these Counties has FALLEN since their County teams
began competing in both the Leagues and the Summer Championships in 2005 (previous to this,
these Counties generally participated in the Hurling League only). The GAA's Annual Report from
fifteen years ago (2008) lists the numbers of registered Adult Hurling teams in the relevant Counties
as: 8 – Louth 5 – Leitrim, 4- Longford and Cavan; and 3 – Fermanagh.
It is abundantly clear that the current approach simply is not working.
There is no doubt the overall GAA spend on Hurling in these Counties is significant – on their senior
inter county teams alone, an estimated and cumulative €863,000 was spent by these five Counties in
However the question has to be asked as to whether this spend (on roughly 120 – 130 players
in total) is having any developmental impact whatsoever, outside of a small coterie of players, and
whether scarce resources – both financial and human – should be redirected towards a more
fundamental goal of increasing the overall pool of adult playing numbers and teams in these
counties.
It is the view of the C.C.C.C that a significantly different approach is needed if the GAA are to
successfully develop hurling in these Counties in a way that can be described as sustainable. In
consultation meetings with representatives of these Counties, this fact was readily acknowledged.
Recommendation: Therefore the CCCC are proposing the following for the consideration of Ard Chomhairle and
implementation as policy from 2025 onwards
that broadly speaking, any County with less than 5 adult clubs should participate in the Lory
Meagher cup only each year
The Lory Meagher Cup should be confined to those developing weaker Counties
This will reduce the inter county season length for those Counties from 6 months to 3
months; it is suggested that the additional three months should be used as a focus for
Hurling Development
To assist this, an investment package should be put in place to support Hurling Development
initiatives in these counties with the ultimate goal to raise the number of Adult club teams
participating in Hurling (initiatives could include the provision of coaches and equipment,
targeting of schools as a starting point for the development of hurling, start-up grants for
new teams etc).
The entire project should be cost neutral versus current spend on Hurling in the affected
Counties.
Once Counties have been able to field 5 or more adult club teams for a period of 3 years,
they can be reinstated in the National Hurling Leagues
It is our belief that the investment package for these Counties can be cost neutral to the Association
and can come at no particular extra cost to the Counties themselves – i.e. all central resources
normally given to these Counties to help fund hurling league participation could be pooled to fund
the new Hurling Development initiatives.
It is expected that were this approach to be adopted, in the region of €1m would be available over a
six or seven year period – simply by redirecting current central funds – to fund Development
projects aimed ultimately at saving the game of Hurling in these Counties.
Note on Warwickshire and Lancashire
Both Warwickshire and Lancashire currently have 5 Adult club teams participating in their
championships. C.C.C.C did consider whether the participation of these Counties should be restricted
to the Lory Meagher Cup or not. However, representatives of the CCCC met with both Counties and
while it is clear that there are challenges for the future of hurling in those counties, there is no doubt
that both appear to be on an upward trajectory and recent initiatives – such as the development of
the Na Mic Tíre club in Lancashire – are testament to this. For those reasons, the C.C.C.C believe both
Counties should continue to participate in both the League and Championship for the foreseeable
future at least.
Next Steps
CCCC to present Recommendation to Ard Chomhairle at November 2023 meeting
Ard Chomhairle to take a decision on whether to adopt CCCC Recommendation as policy
(from 2025 onwards) or not at December 2023 meeting.
If policy and idea of investment package is agreed in principle, Finance to establish exact
funding available
Meetings to be held with the relevant Counties towards putting in place a plan to establish
how funding could better be spent if redirected towards coaching initiatives. Ultimate goal
ultimate goal to achieve minimum of 5 adult hurling teams per County
If this proposal is adopted by Central Council in December, and if it is the view that the Lory
Meagher Cup is confined annually to the five developing Counties, the structure of the
Nickey Rackard and Christy Ring Cup will require to be revisited. As a guiding principle
however, the intention would be that teams in Nickey Rackard and Christy Ring would have
at least the same number of games as annually (between league and Championship) as
under the current structures.
Appendix 1
Adult teams per County 2023
The list below details the number of adult clubs in each of what are perceived to be the "weaker"
hurling Counties*:
Cavan 3 East Cavan Gaels, Cootehill Celtic, Mullahoran
Fermanagh 2 Lisbellaw, Erne Gaels
Leitrim 2 Carrick, Glencar/Manorhamilton
Longford 3 Clonguish, Longford Slashers, Wolfe Tones
Louth 3 St Feichins, Namoh Monine, Knockbridge
Warwickshire 5 Finbars, Mitchels, Erin go Bragh, Barnabas, Declans (Herts),
Lancashire 5 Wolfe Tones, Fullen Gaels, Na Mic Tíre (J), Cean Creige (Scotland) Yorkshire
Emeralds (J),
Sligo 7 Calry, Coolera/S'hill, Easkey, N. Eoin, W. Gaels, Tourlestrane(J), Molaise
Gls(J)
Monaghan 7 C'Blayney, C'macross, Truagh, Clontibret, Harps, Inniskeen, Latton (J)
Armagh 8 SHC = 5, JHC = 3 additional (plus 3 x 2 nd teams)
Donegal 10 Burt, Setanta, Buncrana, Mac Cumhaills, Eunans, Cl'aneely, Carn, A Ruadh, J
= Four Masters and Letterkenny Gaels
Roscommon 7 All 7 in SHC have a second team in JHC.
Mayo 11 Tooreen, C'Bar, B'Haunis, St Ciarans, J = Ballina, Moytura, Westport,
Claremorris, JB = Caiseal, Ballyvary, Gaeltacht Lorrais
*numbers based on Competitions Management Software
If Croke Park decide to "redirect" the funding into grass roots activities the hurling areas won't see a pound of it. County Boards will hoover it up and use it for football.
What about these counties that spend a fortune on their football teams each year with no hope of ever doing anything ?
Quote from: Deerstalker on November 14, 2023, 11:54:51 AMIf Croke Park decide to "redirect" the funding into grass roots activities the hurling areas won't see a pound of it. County Boards will hoover it up and use it for football.
What about these counties that spend a fortune on their football teams each year with no hope of ever doing anything ?
You'll not be shocked to hear all five of those county boards are onboard with this decision according to GAA.ie.
It's interesting that there's someone looking at this considering we don't have a hurling Czar in place and haven't had for a few years and they've come up with this plan, but wonder if they could have done all this development work on the ground AND kept the county teams in place??
Radical, I know.
This is the daftest idea I've seen for a while now, there could be a thousand and one ideas that would have been better used than this one..
Do they think these clubs sit on their hole all year round? Most of the clubs with small numbers play in other leagues.. Carlow have 6 clubs at senior level, so they are very lucky ;)
Is there still an Ulster hurling league?
Football chairman in place and straight away the hurling takes a hit lol
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2023, 10:21:34 AMThis is the daftest idea I've seen for a while now, there could be a thousand and one ideas that would have been better used than this one..
Do they think these clubs sit on their hole all year round? Most of the clubs with small numbers play in other leagues.. Carlow have 6 clubs at senior level, so they are very lucky ;)
Is there still an Ulster hurling league?
Football chairman in place and straight away the hurling takes a hit lol
Burns isn't in place yet, this is before his reign but he has been on hurling development reviews in the past and in the words to him from Brian Cody, "leave the hurling alone" ;D
Key thing is the GAA didn't replace Martin Fogarty's position after the 3 years.
They'd rather spend millions on seats at CP and update ot for the business lads than invest properly in hurling at the lower levels.
That tells you all you need to know.
Quote from: ardtole on November 12, 2023, 10:10:07 AMSurely if they are serious about promoting hurling in these 5 counties they would be providing funds for underage development. There would need to be a long term plan.
How many clubs has Mayo? Toreen and Ballyhaunis are only 2 I've heard off, how did they escape the chop. Toreen have been to an intermediate all ireland final, maybe the likes of the Mayo clubs should be used as a guide for hurling clubs in traditional football counties.
Mayo have 4 clubs competing in the Senior champ.
Senior: Tooreen, Ballyhaunis, Castlebar Mitchells and St. Ciarans. St. Ciarans is an amalgamated team made up of players from 7 junior clubs.
Junior club are Claremorris, Moytura, Westport, Ballina, Ballyvara, Caiseal Gaels and Gaeltacht Iorrais. That is 13 clubs total.
Tooreen and Ballyhaunis look to be good bit ahead of other clubs when it comes to quality given some of the scores they put up.
The counties involved are also adjacent and weak enough in football. No all Irelands since the 50s for Cavan and Louth and none ever for the other 3. Probabl'y à lot of internal emigration and people moving away too. Apart from Louth the other 4 would be economically disadvantaged
Quote from: johnnycool on November 14, 2023, 11:09:58 AMFrom the premierviewpodcast
Donegal 10 Burt, Setanta, Buncrana, Mac Cumhaills, Eunans, Cl'aneely, Carn, A Ruadh, J
= Four Masters and Letterkenny Gaels
Cloughaneely don't field hurling teams. Senior = Setanta, St. Eunans, Carndonagh, Buncrana, Sean Mac Cumhaills and Burt. Junior = Aodh Ruadh, Dungloe, Four Masters, Letterkenny Gaels and second teams from Burt, Setanta and Sean Mac Cumhaills.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2023, 10:21:34 AMThis is the daftest idea I've seen for a while now, there could be a thousand and one ideas that would have been better used than this one..
Do they think these clubs sit on their hole all year round? Most of the clubs with small numbers play in other leagues.. Carlow have 6 clubs at senior level, so they are very lucky ;)
Is there still an Ulster hurling league?
Football chairman in place and straight away the hurling takes a hit lol
President not chairman and is as much a figurehead role than anything. Director general is the chap in charge, that's currently Carlow native Tom Ryan and before him was Páraic Duffy who had big focus on changing or getting rid of grades in football when it wasn't needed. Same seems to be done now with the lower tiers in hurling.
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 12, 2023, 11:36:44 AMTyrone have less than 5 too.
It seems that junior are included
https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2023/1121/1417673-fermanagh-shocked-by-gaas-hurling-league-proposal/
Fermanagh GAA have said they are "shocked and disappointed" at the GAA's proposal that any county with fewer than five adult hurling teams should be excluded from the Allianz League and consigned to the fifth-tier Lory Meagher Cup only from 2025 onwards, and have called for it to be rejected.
If Central Council passes the recommendation, it would see the Erne County join Cavan, Leitrim, Longford and Louth with an inter-county season reduced from six to three months.
Louth will be the only one of the counties that will play above Lory Meagher level next year.
Fermanagh GAA held a special meeting of the county committee last night to discuss the proposals from the Central Competitions Control Committee (CCCC) on hurling development in weaker counties. Representatives from the county hurling team management and players were also in attendance.
The meeting was unanimous in calling for the proposals to be rejected and they have urged all counties to them in voting against the proposal at the Ard Chomhairle meeting on 2 December.
In a statement they said: "Fermanagh GAA wish to put on record of our shock and disappointment at the proposals. We do not concur that we were appropriately consulted on a proposal of this magnitude to remove Fermanagh from the Allianz Hurling League prior to them being presented at the Ard Chomhairle meeting of 4 November.
"Fermanagh GAA have worked extremely hard with our small base of volunteers over the last number of years to develop sustainable hurling structures to allow the game to grow and flourish. This year along with our seven underage clubs we have three adult clubs participating in Championships.
"Along with our well-established hurling club of Lisbellaw St.Patrick's, we were able to recommence our Junior Hurling Championship with Erne Gaels winning over Lisnaskea Emmetts. These are small but important steps in the growth of hurling in Fermanagh, which we will continue to work hard to grow further.
"We are extremely proud of the achievements our senior county hurling team especially in recent years, winning the Allianz league Division 3B title and promotion in 2022, winning the Lory Meagher Cup on two occasions (2021 & 2015) and reaching the final on three other occasions (2020, 2014 & 2012).
"We retained our Nickey Rackard Cup status in 2022 and narrowly missed out this year by a slim margin in a number of games. We also note the outstanding performance of Luca McCusker, representing Ireland, in the recent Shinty International with Scotland.
"To deny our hurlers the opportunity to represent their county on fewer occasions than other counties would be a travesty and detrimental to the development of hurling in Fermanagh.
"We call for a serious discussion on hurling resources within the smaller counties and again ask for a fairer distribution of funding to support hurling in Fermanagh."
Quote from: seafoid on November 21, 2023, 01:39:54 PMhttps://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2023/1121/1417673-fermanagh-shocked-by-gaas-hurling-league-proposal/
Fermanagh GAA have said they are "shocked and disappointed" at the GAA's proposal that any county with fewer than five adult hurling teams should be excluded from the Allianz League and consigned to the fifth-tier Lory Meagher Cup only from 2025 onwards, and have called for it to be rejected.
If Central Council passes the recommendation, it would see the Erne County join Cavan, Leitrim, Longford and Louth with an inter-county season reduced from six to three months.
Louth will be the only one of the counties that will play above Lory Meagher level next year.
Fermanagh GAA held a special meeting of the county committee last night to discuss the proposals from the Central Competitions Control Committee (CCCC) on hurling development in weaker counties. Representatives from the county hurling team management and players were also in attendance.
The meeting was unanimous in calling for the proposals to be rejected and they have urged all counties to them in voting against the proposal at the Ard Chomhairle meeting on 2 December.
In a statement they said: "Fermanagh GAA wish to put on record of our shock and disappointment at the proposals. We do not concur that we were appropriately consulted on a proposal of this magnitude to remove Fermanagh from the Allianz Hurling League prior to them being presented at the Ard Chomhairle meeting of 4 November.
"Fermanagh GAA have worked extremely hard with our small base of volunteers over the last number of years to develop sustainable hurling structures to allow the game to grow and flourish. This year along with our seven underage clubs we have three adult clubs participating in Championships.
"Along with our well-established hurling club of Lisbellaw St.Patrick's, we were able to recommence our Junior Hurling Championship with Erne Gaels winning over Lisnaskea Emmetts. These are small but important steps in the growth of hurling in Fermanagh, which we will continue to work hard to grow further.
"We are extremely proud of the achievements our senior county hurling team especially in recent years, winning the Allianz league Division 3B title and promotion in 2022, winning the Lory Meagher Cup on two occasions (2021 & 2015) and reaching the final on three other occasions (2020, 2014 & 2012).
"We retained our Nickey Rackard Cup status in 2022 and narrowly missed out this year by a slim margin in a number of games. We also note the outstanding performance of Luca McCusker, representing Ireland, in the recent Shinty International with Scotland.
"To deny our hurlers the opportunity to represent their county on fewer occasions than other counties would be a travesty and detrimental to the development of hurling in Fermanagh.
"We call for a serious discussion on hurling resources within the smaller counties and again ask for a fairer distribution of funding to support hurling in Fermanagh."
Well done Fermanagh.
Hopefully the other counties' County Board pull a meeting together this week, if not already, discuss and put out a similar statement.
Quote from: johnnycool on November 15, 2023, 09:12:07 AMQuote from: Deerstalker on November 14, 2023, 11:54:51 AMIf Croke Park decide to "redirect" the funding into grass roots activities the hurling areas won't see a pound of it. County Boards will hoover it up and use it for football.
What about these counties that spend a fortune on their football teams each year with no hope of ever doing anything ?
You'll not be shocked to hear all five of those county boards are onboard with this decision according to GAA.ie.
It's interesting that there's someone looking at this considering we don't have a hurling Czar in place and haven't had for a few years and they've come up with this plan, but wonder if they could have done all this development work on the ground AND kept the county teams in place??
Radical, I know.
Strange that I can't find the link to the article on GAA.ie now where they state that all 5 counties were onboard with this proposal, someone never told Fermanagh County board and they've strayed off message.
I hope that the other four follow suit and if the rest of the counties vote this through then that's a shame on the whole association and Croke Park especially.
Quote from: seafoid on November 15, 2023, 06:53:57 PMQuote from: nrico2006 on November 12, 2023, 11:36:44 AMTyrone have less than 5 too.
It seems that junior are included
Still less than 5 though. Carrickmore, Dungannon, Omagh and Coalisland unless there is 1 I'm unaware of.
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 22, 2023, 11:18:24 AMQuote from: seafoid on November 15, 2023, 06:53:57 PMQuote from: nrico2006 on November 12, 2023, 11:36:44 AMTyrone have less than 5 too.
It seems that junior are included
Still less than 5 though. Carrickmore, Dungannon, Omagh and Coalisland unless there is 1 I'm unaware of.
Eoghan Rua?
Quote from: johnnycool on November 22, 2023, 12:04:20 PMQuote from: nrico2006 on November 22, 2023, 11:18:24 AMQuote from: seafoid on November 15, 2023, 06:53:57 PMQuote from: nrico2006 on November 12, 2023, 11:36:44 AMTyrone have less than 5 too.
It seems that junior are included
Still less than 5 though. Carrickmore, Dungannon, Omagh and Coalisland unless there is 1 I'm unaware of.
Eoghan Rua?
Eoghan Ruadh is Dungannon.
Naomh Colmcille is Coalisland/Clonoe etc.
Have Strabane folded?
Have Fintona a senior team yet? I suppose it 's important to say how many underage teams they have.
Regional teams seem to be the way to go.
Donegal seem to be progressing well but it's a huge county so logistics at underage is tricky.
Quote from: marty34 on November 22, 2023, 12:22:39 PMQuote from: johnnycool on November 22, 2023, 12:04:20 PMQuote from: nrico2006 on November 22, 2023, 11:18:24 AMQuote from: seafoid on November 15, 2023, 06:53:57 PMQuote from: nrico2006 on November 12, 2023, 11:36:44 AMTyrone have less than 5 too.
It seems that junior are included
Still less than 5 though. Carrickmore, Dungannon, Omagh and Coalisland unless there is 1 I'm unaware of.
Eoghan Rua?
Eoghan Ruadh is Dungannon.
Naomh Colmcille is Coalisland/Clonoe etc.
Have Strabane folded?
Have Fintona a senior team yet? I suppose it 's important to say how many underage teams they have.
Regional teams seem to be the way to go.
Donegal seem to be progressing well but it's a huge county so logistics at underage is tricky.
So do the Clarkes not still play hurling as well?
Strabane folded and Fintona don't have a senior team. Is there a team called Benburb? Still seems like only 4.
Cúchulainn an Ghleanna fielded a Senior team in the Cuchulainn League. So that's the fifth Adult team in Tyrone.
Underage teams, open to correction on these.
Cappagh - Killyclogher
Naomh Columcille - Clonoe/Coalisland
Duiche Neill - Benburb Area
Fintona
Cúchulainn an Ghleanna - Clogher Valley/Ballygawley
Tulach Óg - Cookstown Area
Omagh
Éire Óg - Carrickmore
Eoghan Ruadh - Dungannon
Strabane Shamrocks
Quote from: Wolfetones on November 22, 2023, 02:25:55 PMCúchulainn an Ghleanna fielded a Senior team in the Cuchulainn League. So that's the fifth Adult team in Tyrone.
Underage teams, open to correction on these.
Cappagh - Killyclogher
Naomh Columcille - Clonoe/Coalisland
Duiche Neill - Benburb Area
Fintona
Cúchulainn an Ghleanna - Clogher Valley/Ballygawley
Tulach Óg - Cookstown Area
Omagh
Éire Óg - Carrickmore
Eoghan Ruadh - Dungannon
Strabane Shamrocks
I didn't realise there was an underage team in Cappagh/Killyclogher.
I know Omagh have a team all the way up to senior.
Is Tulach Óg still going? I thought they split up with a lot of players going to St. Finbarrs in Derry?
If alk these clubs can keep going and field at senior level, it'll be great for hurling in Tyrone.
My personal opinion is that all clubs should play hurling and footbalk from U7.5 onwards. It's a huge benefit as has been proven.
Quote from: johnnycool on November 22, 2023, 01:27:13 PMQuote from: marty34 on November 22, 2023, 12:22:39 PMQuote from: johnnycool on November 22, 2023, 12:04:20 PMQuote from: nrico2006 on November 22, 2023, 11:18:24 AMQuote from: seafoid on November 15, 2023, 06:53:57 PMQuote from: nrico2006 on November 12, 2023, 11:36:44 AMTyrone have less than 5 too.
It seems that junior are included
Still less than 5 though. Carrickmore, Dungannon, Omagh and Coalisland unless there is 1 I'm unaware of.
Eoghan Rua?
Eoghan Ruadh is Dungannon.
Naomh Colmcille is Coalisland/Clonoe etc.
Have Strabane folded?
Have Fintona a senior team yet? I suppose it 's important to say how many underage teams they have.
Regional teams seem to be the way to go.
Donegal seem to be progressing well but it's a huge county so logistics at underage is tricky.
So do the Clarkes not still play hurling as well?
No, two seperate clubs.
Only 1/4 mile apart also.
Did that Clogher/Ballygawley team play in the Tyrone league or championship?
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 22, 2023, 05:29:53 PMDid that Clogher/Ballygawley team play in the Tyrone league or championship?
No
Weird one. So why would they count?
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 22, 2023, 05:56:33 PMWeird one. So why would they count?
Because it suited someones agenda.
Quote from: marty34 on November 21, 2023, 05:57:41 PMQuote from: seafoid on November 21, 2023, 01:39:54 PMhttps://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2023/1121/1417673-fermanagh-shocked-by-gaas-hurling-league-proposal/
Fermanagh GAA have said they are "shocked and disappointed" at the GAA's proposal that any county with fewer than five adult hurling teams should be excluded from the Allianz League and consigned to the fifth-tier Lory Meagher Cup only from 2025 onwards, and have called for it to be rejected.
If Central Council passes the recommendation, it would see the Erne County join Cavan, Leitrim, Longford and Louth with an inter-county season reduced from six to three months.
Louth will be the only one of the counties that will play above Lory Meagher level next year.
Fermanagh GAA held a special meeting of the county committee last night to discuss the proposals from the Central Competitions Control Committee (CCCC) on hurling development in weaker counties. Representatives from the county hurling team management and players were also in attendance.
The meeting was unanimous in calling for the proposals to be rejected and they have urged all counties to them in voting against the proposal at the Ard Chomhairle meeting on 2 December.
In a statement they said: "Fermanagh GAA wish to put on record of our shock and disappointment at the proposals. We do not concur that we were appropriately consulted on a proposal of this magnitude to remove Fermanagh from the Allianz Hurling League prior to them being presented at the Ard Chomhairle meeting of 4 November.
"Fermanagh GAA have worked extremely hard with our small base of volunteers over the last number of years to develop sustainable hurling structures to allow the game to grow and flourish. This year along with our seven underage clubs we have three adult clubs participating in Championships.
"Along with our well-established hurling club of Lisbellaw St.Patrick's, we were able to recommence our Junior Hurling Championship with Erne Gaels winning over Lisnaskea Emmetts. These are small but important steps in the growth of hurling in Fermanagh, which we will continue to work hard to grow further.
"We are extremely proud of the achievements our senior county hurling team especially in recent years, winning the Allianz league Division 3B title and promotion in 2022, winning the Lory Meagher Cup on two occasions (2021 & 2015) and reaching the final on three other occasions (2020, 2014 & 2012).
"We retained our Nickey Rackard Cup status in 2022 and narrowly missed out this year by a slim margin in a number of games. We also note the outstanding performance of Luca McCusker, representing Ireland, in the recent Shinty International with Scotland.
"To deny our hurlers the opportunity to represent their county on fewer occasions than other counties would be a travesty and detrimental to the development of hurling in Fermanagh.
"We call for a serious discussion on hurling resources within the smaller counties and again ask for a fairer distribution of funding to support hurling in Fermanagh."
Well done Fermanagh.
Hopefully the other counties' County Board pull a meeting together this week, if not already, discuss and put out a similar statement.
GPA statement, signed by 11 Liam MacCarthy Cup captains, has called on the GAA to withdraw the proposal that counties with less than five adult hurling clubs should be excluded from playing in the Allianz Hurling League from 2025.
The controversial CCCC proposal will go before Central Council on Saturday week (December 2). If it is passed, Leitrim, Fermanagh, Cavan, Louth and Longford will be affected, with their inter-county season cut from six to three months.
The statement, also signed by the senior hurling panels and clubs of the five counties concerned, reads: "We, the undersigned, are calling on the CCCC of the GAA, to withdraw the proposal that would see five counties excluded from the National Hurling League from 2025 onwards.
"It has become clear that the consultation referred to in the proposal was not conducted with the right people or with the correct information being discussed.
"This is clearly the case given that four of the five county boards involved are now publicly on the record calling for the proposal to be rejected. The players and management in Leitrim also want to see it rejected.
"Given that is the case, we believe it is in the best interests of everyone that the proposal be withdrawn. It is clearly divisive and while that may not have been the intention, it does nothing for the development of hurling.
"If the CCCC does not see fit to withdraw the proposal, we call on all County Boards to ensure their Central Council delegates vote it down and help us instead to grow the game we all love.
"What the proposal has sparked is a conversation about the health of the game north of the much talked about Galway to Dublin line.
"We believe an opportunity has now emerged to really tackle the issue. Therefore we, the undersigned, have all committed to engaging with county boards, the provincial councils, the GAA's CCCC and Central Council and anyone else who is interested in the health of hurling, to develop a plan to grow hurling within our counties and in other areas across Ireland where it is struggling.
"We will work with anyone and everyone constructively to secure the future of the game. That is our commitment."
Signed:
Lisbellaw St.Patrick's, Erne Gaels Belleek, Lisnaskea Emmett's, Fermanagh Senor Hurling Panel, Fermanagh Manager Joe Baldwin
Mullahoran St Joseph's HC, Cootehill Celtic, East Cavan Gaels, Cavan Senior Hurling Panel, Cavan Management – Ollie Bellew and Tomás Mannion
Carrick Hurling Club, Leitrim Senior Hurling Panel, Leitrim Manager Olcan Conway
Knockbridge HC, Naomh Moninne HC, St Fechin's, Louth Senor Hurling Panel
Longford Slashers HC, Wolfe Tones, Clonguish Gaels, Longford Senior Hurling Panel, Longford Manager Adrian Moran
Captains of Liam MacCarthy Teams in 2023: Eoghan Campbell (Antrim), Lee Chin (Wexford), Eoin Cody (Kilkenny), Seán O'Donoghue (Cork), Noel McGrath (Tipperary), Eoghan O'Donnell (Dublin), Dáíthí Burke (Galway), Tony Kelly (Clare), Paul Doyle (Carlow), Jamie Barron & Stephen Bennett (Waterford Joint Captains), Declan Hannon (Limerick)
The National Executive Committee of the Gaelic Players Association
As I stated last week, this has happened - good stand by the 11 hurling teams, in conjunction with the GPA.
Hopefully it carries a bit of weight and this is the last we hear of this proposal.
When this came up at CCCC none of the delegates from these counties spoke out against it or for it, all sat dumb, but I think the biggest insight came from the Leitrim county hurling manager who knows their county treasurer was openly all on for it for behind the scenes they secretly wanted it to go through under the radar but now it's blown up these sneeky hoors are all running for cover leaving CCCC rightly looking like a shower of dicks.
Time those in power understood that in a lot of instances when you're discussing the weaker codes in a lot of counties with their delegates, chairpersons etc etc you won't be getting the right story.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2023/1124/1418312-big-guns-back-smaller-counties-in-push-against-proposal/Hurling's big guns have all signed a statement calling on the GAA to withdraw a proposal to exclude any county with fewer than five adult hurling teams from the Allianz Leagues.
The resistance to the proposal - which would begin from 2025 onwards - continues to grow with the teams impacted now having the public backing of the GPA and the strongest counties in the country.
All 11 captains of the counties competing in the 2024 Liam MacCarthy Cup have signed a statement calling for a u-turn.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2023/1202/1419760-reprieve-for-counties-threatened-with-league-exclusion/The threat of Allianz Hurling League exclusion for a quintet of counties has been lifted after the proposal was withdrawn before vote at Saturday's Ard Chomhairle meeting at Croke Park.
The GAA now intend to pursue a development committee to work with the counties involved.
Quote from: seafoid on December 02, 2023, 04:06:53 PMhttps://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2023/1202/1419760-reprieve-for-counties-threatened-with-league-exclusion/The threat of Allianz Hurling League exclusion for a quintet of counties has been lifted after the proposal was withdrawn before vote at Saturday's Ard Chomhairle meeting at Croke Park.
The GAA now intend to pursue a development committee to work with the counties involved.
They've lifted the rock on hurling development in these types of counties, will they have the toy dolls to say what they see under it?