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[Hard to plan for every single player to get a black card, of all the ones to get one Hampsey probably be the most damaging (Mattie too).]

No issue with players being blooded, transition years, need to gain experience...all that stuff....fine...

But surely you should be able to see a plan, a system, some kind of tactics beyond the basic, something to give these players a structure to develop in ...

What does that even mean? Lost their way when Hampsey went off on the black card... need to look at that. They were the much better side.

What that means is exactly what it says. It's great to see new players get brought in and given a meaningful taste of league and championship.

There is also a lot of talent there, which means we can go on scoring sprees and look fantastic for periods. All good. So the raw ingredients are there.

What is not evident is a system or structured gameplay to compete with Dublin/Kerry/Derry (and McGuiness back means Donegal are also a much diffeent prospect).

There is zero consistency in the team, from quarter to quarter, never mind game to game.

Maybe I just dont see/understand the current tactics as well as others and I would be delighted to be proved wrong.

Nah you've still lost me. Maybe I'm not up to speed with gameplans. You mention Derry, they were a shambles at the weekend. Kerry scraped past Cork. I've must have a simpler outlook. Tyrone went away from home and beat a side just beat Monaghan. Things went badly awry on the black card and need to look at why. Sitting in Breffini Park yesterday wat I saw was Tyrone were the much better team and when it was 15 v 15 Cavan wouldn't have won if we were there to next Tuesday. Next up... Donegal.

You don't think going a man down and how to cope with it is an element that the management should have dealt with in training? I would be asking serious questions about why we opened up so quickly during those 10 mins. That re-organisation lies with management imo.

Def needs reviewed: they know that. Hard to plan for every single player to get a black card, of all the ones to get one Hampsey probably be the most damaging (Mattie too). I see the glass half full not half empty: 9 players made championship debut. When it went back to 15 v 15 was never in doubt. To go to Cavan and be hauled back like that and win showed great character.
Maybe I don't have your expectations of a team in transition. Reality check: They won't be beating Kerry or Dublin no more than Derry or Donegal will...
 

a club team management would have that angle covered. A black card happens regular in games so it needs to be handled irrespective of who the player carded is.....basic stuff for all teams. Delegation, planning and proper instruction sorts that out easily

I am like yourself and try to take the positives from it (9 debutants, great first 30 minutes) but how can we let a black card derail us is concerning. The real positive was that most of them debutants were on the pitch in the crucial closing stages of ET when the game was in the melting pot.

Hard to know what to expect next week....if we deliver then we could win but it is the total inconsistency that is our problem - we don't know what is happening from one half to the next never mind one game to the next.

Goal scoring opportunity so once its inside 21 its a pen. Thought it should be black under new rule?

David all about me Gough has to give a black card for something after.

Big decision !!!

Should have been black card for Derry but Donegal end up getting it !

Very disappointing that none of the incredibly successful CBS Hogan Cup winning team got awarded an Ulster Colleges All Star.

I would say they are not too annoyed. None of the 3 Tyrone schools who got to the semi finals of the McRory got any awards.

It is done on a trial basis system so I assume none of the 3 schools sent their players to these trials.

I could be wrong but I believe this is how it works.

Loughmacrory should be concerned. Missing their 3 U20s and Donaghy on the seniors but Omagh also down men shows the lack of depth Lough have in their squad. They have lost a few important players to emigration and their must be internal fear of a relegation battle. Be a lot of expectations on McElholm and McCullagh this year.

No more word on McElholm going to Australian Rules or is that out the window now? He was very impressive last week against Monaghan in the U20s.

He was very impressive indeed, but anyone could have been impressive that night against Monaghan B team.
Bigger tests to follow for the U20's but so far so good.
Another All Ireland for Paul Dook possibly

Harps showed heart in the closing quarter, but Point were deserving winners tonight.

Who are the senior club team managers this year in Down senior league?

Disappointing but I am sure he was disappointed not to get game time v Dublin

There are probably 20 players who wish they didn't get any game time v Dublin!!

Why has he not had more game time since? I thought he'd be straight back in to first 15 but management seemed to prefer Murray and he finally rewarded them for that.

Did Toby47 not say he got injured. Was it a broken bone in the wrist?

[I remain unconvinced by Conor Cush, I am not sure if he is cut out for the top level.]

An Ulster University side backboned by Tyrone players have qualified for the Sigerson Cup final with a 1-13 to 0-11 victory over Maynooth tonight. Darragh and Ruairi Canavan, Ciaran Daly, Conor Cush, Peter Og McCartan, Oisin McCann and Steve Donaghy started for Ulster University while Dara Curran, Adam Donaghy, Eoin Montgomery, James Quinn, Harry Morgan and second-half sub Danny Fullerton were named on the bench.

Oisin McCann for me stood out. Surely worth a go on the County panel, has the physical size and is full of talent. If he got a run with the county I think he would turn into a top player.
I remain unconvinced by Conor Cush, I am not sure if he is cut out for the top level.

Best thing for Conor Cush would be to release him back and let him have a full season with Donaghmore. Was fast tracked too soon after the 2022 U20 win, has done him no favours longer term. Good season with his club would surely help.
Nathan McCarron another who would probably benefit from being released back to his club, two games this year and hooked at half time in both. Wouldn't be good for confidence.

Normally I would disagree on this and tell players to stick it out at county squad level and wait on your opportunity.
However, Cush from what I am told missed all of last year club season due to a foot injury (only played 2/3 games)so maybe it is best to go back to the club in his case as he needs as much football as he can get.
As someone stated earlier, it was a baptism of fire for the 3 new younger lads starting yesterday but this is the level they are at now
Yesterday must have been devastating if you were playing in our defence up against a rampant Dublin team.
Will be interesting to see how Derry cope next weekend

Playing a full strength Dublin team
With no
Hampsey
McKernan
Harte
Cormac Quinn
Meyler
Burns
Kilpatrick
Darragh Canavan
O'Donnell
Ciaran Daly ( one of our best players this season)
Is pretty much football death wish
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Dublin, full strength - are you having a laugh? 

Missing the following;

Cluxton
Davy Byrne
Michael Fitzsimmons
James McCarthy
John Small
Lee Gannon
Paddy Small
Cormac Costello
Paul Mannion

Everyone of the above started last years All Ireland final

Are reserve leagues going to start on schedule ? No word of fixtures yet

Not sure what took the CCC so long when releasing the fixtures. They are the exact same as last year, only difference is home/away is flipped for each round from last year. Shocking stuff.

Are you sure. My own club is obviously reversed as is normal but they are in different order to last year. The starred games make is a problem for the fixture makers to be fair

Looking forward to Croker on Sunday. This will be a test but with it being the last match before championship then we must use it for real benefit.

Darragh v Conn and Dazzler v Mannion

Looking for another good performance to back up last week - if we can get consistency then that will be a massive plus to our game

just heard 2 derry players are reopning a bar in maghera together

Which bar?

And not clubmates either

Clubs?

Think it's a bar and they're only opening one.

He is asking what clubs the players involved are from?

I get the feeling that E Bradley must have missed some training and wasn't part of the panel ... did any of you guys see him at all.  B Rogers since he got his All Star is a very closely marked/fouled players and isn't as nearly as influential as last year .... although he has played a lot of Club football and Hurling and also has got married .... there's only so much an amateur can do ... he needs a rest.  So maybe Emmet Bradley( could help with the Right Footed free kicks along with N Loughlin ) will come in for the Roscommon game . Just watched the game last night again and its unbelievable how much ground Shane Mac covers during the course of a game.  In the last ten mins he was inside his own 14yrd line helping out his defence ... incredible engine and very much the team player. 

Is Emmett Bradley not left footed?

Will the Omagh pitch be fit to hold the U20 game tomorrow night? surely there must be some consideration to switching venue

Moved to the Dub

Could we not have hosted this in Garvaghey, Coalisland or Stewartstown?

Changed times indeed.

If I recall correctly, the great U21 sides of the early 90's had all played senior county championship before they exited u21 age grade - maybe bar 2/3 players.

All were combining Tyrone senior and U21 and club football at that time but then again that was the norm until around 2000 when the extended county season (back door) started