East wall #Irelandisfull

[whitey]

No, he's reiterating what should happen, but when they arrive they should be processed and either sent back if they don't meet the requirements and if they meet refugee status they can stay.

Not difficult for someone like you to understand

So how do you know if they have destroyed their ID and you can't verify their identity?

How do you know if they already have a claim in another country that's been denied?

What about a grifter like this

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30906753.html

Irish immigration have access to Eurodac. Take finger prints. Process them. It's that easy

So when they fingerprinted the fella from Sweeden with the outstanding warrants, why didn't he show up?

Was he an asylum seeker?

I don't know....the judge is implying that he came in without any ID (or a false ID Which should be even more concerning)

Exactly what checks occurred at Dublin airport that let this guy slip through the cracks?

So as a taxpayer are you happy paying this guys legal fees to fight his extradition to Sweeden?

He didn't come here and apply for asylum so they couldn't have run his fingerprints through eurodac. You don't know how the asylum system works. That's all you had to say.
Did he come through Dublin airport? Surely immigration there would have ran his ID. Not sure how their system works but I would have thought any convictions would show up.

Well I'm not an expert, that part is correct.

But I do have common sense in abundance

If someone has 3 outstanding warrants, how do they get through the checks at Dublin Airport if the checks are as vigorous as we are led to believe.

The judge is the one who expressed concern that he had come in without a passport.  Now it looks like there is no proof he came in with a valid Swedish ID either.

I guess I'm guilty of connecting the dots-judge says he had no passport and had either no ID/False ID...... I made an assumption then, that he had sought asylum which may or may not be accurate.

But my point is still valid-if people are vetted, how did he get in

[armaghniac]

Armaghniac used to be a sensible poster.
There are c450,000,000 in the EU and 60,000,000 English/Scots/Welsh who can all come here if they wish.

I still am a sensible poster.
These people have no strong motivation to come here as they are in prosperous countries. Likewise people are not going to come here from the US, Canada, Japan etc.

Do you contend that a person is no more likely to leave a poor country than a more prosperous one?

[tonto1888]

So from this, it's that vetting hasn't been done enough on the immigrants is the issue? Not the numbers themselves? Or are we just going down a rabbit hole with the focus on these few immigrants who have broken the law? Just genuinely interested as it's two very different discussions.

There are 7 billion people who might want to come and all of these will not fit on this island, but the open door crowd refuse to countenance a limit of any sort or to that the present arrangements encourage chancers.

Really? 7 billion who might want to come?

OK, then lets say that only 1% want to come, that's 70 million, so no problem?

70 million don't want to come here either. You're grand

Oh I think 70 million might well want to come here, but we do not allow them, and most do not make up stories to try and come here. Which is not the same thing.

70 million don't want to come here. And just so you know, plenty of EU people who come here make up stories about why they want to come

[Armagh18]

Only, or mainly, in Western Europe are countries having serious problems with immigration. I merely want us to protect ourselves for future generations.

However, thanks for the holier-than-thou lecture.

Look, it's pretty obvious neither of us is going to persuade the other, and while I know arguing with strangers on the internet is basically pointless, sometimes it can be stimulating. This, though, isn't -  so I'm off to scrub the dishes!

Like what? Upsetting racist patients who want to be treated by one of their own?

Or upsetting racist patients who don't want a fella jerking off at the foot of their hospital bed when theyre recovering from an operation might be a start

A fella with 8 priors BTW

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/serial-flasher-jailed-after-performing-sexual-act-in-front-of-woman-in-hospital-as-she-recovered-from-surgery/a2146621981.html

Are you gonna comment on the fella with over 30 priors who was free to murder a young lad in lurgan? Or does thefact he was a local make it ok? Or maybe it's because his victim was from the north?

Saying as this thread is about immigrants then it's not really relevant is it.

[tonto1888]

No, he's reiterating what should happen, but when they arrive they should be processed and either sent back if they don't meet the requirements and if they meet refugee status they can stay.

Not difficult for someone like you to understand

So how do you know if they have destroyed their ID and you can't verify their identity?

How do you know if they already have a claim in another country that's been denied?

What about a grifter like this

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30906753.html

Irish immigration have access to Eurodac. Take finger prints. Process them. It's that easy

So when they fingerprinted the fella from Sweeden with the outstanding warrants, why didn't he show up?

Was he an asylum seeker?

I don't know....the judge is implying that he came in without any ID (or a false ID Which should be even more concerning)

Exactly what checks occurred at Dublin airport that let this guy slip through the cracks?

So as a taxpayer are you happy paying this guys legal fees to fight his extradition to Sweeden?

He didn't come here and apply for asylum so they couldn't have run his fingerprints through eurodac. You don't know how the asylum system works. That's all you had to say.
Did he come through Dublin airport? Surely immigration there would have ran his ID. Not sure how their system works but I would have thought any convictions would show up.

Well I'm not an expert, that part is correct.

But I do have common sense in abundance

If someone has 3 outstanding warrants, how do they get through the checks at Dublin Airport if the checks are as vigorous as we are led to believe.

The judge is the one who expressed concern that he had come in without a passport.  Now it looks like there is no proof he came in with a valid Swedish ID either.

I guess I'm guilty of connecting the dots-judge says he had no passport and had either no ID/False ID...... I made an assumption then, that he had sought asylum which may or may not be accurate.

But my point is still valid-if people are vetted, how did he get in

It's pretty clear you don't have any knowledge of how the asylum system works here never mind being an expert.

A lot of people won't be vetted until they get here. That's how it works. If I go to Spain on holidays they scan my passport. If I've any convictions or anything flagging worth flagging it should show up on their system. That's the vetting they do. The same works here. If an immigration officer scans the passport or ID doc any l thing untoward should show up. Likewise the IO can ask further questions if they have suspicions. Generally people on EU IDs won't be questioned too much so either there was nothing linked to his doc or the IO didn't do his/her job correctly. That's not the systems fault, that's the fault of the person operating it.
Of course, the guy in question may have come in to the north and used the CTA

[tonto1888]

Only, or mainly, in Western Europe are countries having serious problems with immigration. I merely want us to protect ourselves for future generations.

However, thanks for the holier-than-thou lecture.

Look, it's pretty obvious neither of us is going to persuade the other, and while I know arguing with strangers on the internet is basically pointless, sometimes it can be stimulating. This, though, isn't -  so I'm off to scrub the dishes!

Like what? Upsetting racist patients who want to be treated by one of their own?

Or upsetting racist patients who don't want a fella jerking off at the foot of their hospital bed when theyre recovering from an operation might be a start

A fella with 8 priors BTW

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/serial-flasher-jailed-after-performing-sexual-act-in-front-of-woman-in-hospital-as-she-recovered-from-surgery/a2146621981.html

Are you gonna comment on the fella with over 30 priors who was free to murder a young lad in lurgan? Or does thefact he was a local make it ok? Or maybe it's because his victim was from the north?

Saying as this thread is about immigrants then it's not really relevant is it.

Dude brought up prior convictions so aye. It's relevant.

[whitey]

No, he's reiterating what should happen, but when they arrive they should be processed and either sent back if they don't meet the requirements and if they meet refugee status they can stay.

Not difficult for someone like you to understand

So how do you know if they have destroyed their ID and you can't verify their identity?

How do you know if they already have a claim in another country that's been denied?

What about a grifter like this

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30906753.html

Irish immigration have access to Eurodac. Take finger prints. Process them. It's that easy

So when they fingerprinted the fella from Sweeden with the outstanding warrants, why didn't he show up?

Was he an asylum seeker?

I don't know....the judge is implying that he came in without any ID (or a false ID Which should be even more concerning)

Exactly what checks occurred at Dublin airport that let this guy slip through the cracks?

So as a taxpayer are you happy paying this guys legal fees to fight his extradition to Sweeden?

He didn't come here and apply for asylum so they couldn't have run his fingerprints through eurodac. You don't know how the asylum system works. That's all you had to say.
Did he come through Dublin airport? Surely immigration there would have ran his ID. Not sure how their system works but I would have thought any convictions would show up.

Well I'm not an expert, that part is correct.

But I do have common sense in abundance

If someone has 3 outstanding warrants, how do they get through the checks at Dublin Airport if the checks are as vigorous as we are led to believe.

The judge is the one who expressed concern that he had come in without a passport.  Now it looks like there is no proof he came in with a valid Swedish ID either.

I guess I'm guilty of connecting the dots-judge says he had no passport and had either no ID/False ID...... I made an assumption then, that he had sought asylum which may or may not be accurate.

But my point is still valid-if people are vetted, how did he get in

It's pretty clear you don't have any knowledge of how the asylum system works here never mind being an expert.

A lot of people won't be vetted until they get here. That's how it works. If I go to Spain on holidays they scan my passport. If I've any convictions or anything flagging worth flagging it should show up on their system. That's the vetting they do. The same works here. If an immigration officer scans the passport or ID doc any l thing untoward should show up. Likewise the IO can ask further questions if they have suspicions. Generally people on EU IDs won't be questioned too much so either there was nothing linked to his doc or the IO didn't do his/her job correctly. That's not the systems fault, that's the fault of the person operating it.
Of course, the guy in question may have come in to the north and used the CTA

So in other words the vetting process that's in place didn't work

[tonto1888]

Who knows Whitey? Do you know where when and how he came in? Don't know what docs he used?

[whitey]

Only, or mainly, in Western Europe are countries having serious problems with immigration. I merely want us to protect ourselves for future generations.

However, thanks for the holier-than-thou lecture.

Look, it's pretty obvious neither of us is going to persuade the other, and while I know arguing with strangers on the internet is basically pointless, sometimes it can be stimulating. This, though, isn't -  so I'm off to scrub the dishes!

Like what? Upsetting racist patients who want to be treated by one of their own?

Or upsetting racist patients who don't want a fella jerking off at the foot of their hospital bed when theyre recovering from an operation might be a start

A fella with 8 priors BTW

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/serial-flasher-jailed-after-performing-sexual-act-in-front-of-woman-in-hospital-as-she-recovered-from-surgery/a2146621981.html

Are you gonna comment on the fella with over 30 priors who was free to murder a young lad in lurgan? Or does thefact he was a local make it ok? Or maybe it's because his victim was from the north?

Saying as this thread is about immigrants then it's not really relevant is it.

Dude brought up prior convictions so aye. It's relevant.

Eamonn claimed that migrants were the victims of overly vigorous prosecution by the authorities....they are being picked on!

So a guy with 8 priors for lewd behavior-was he the victim of an overly aggressive prosecution?

Regarding the guy in Lurgan, as has been said on here a million times, just because we have home grown criminals, does that means we shouldn't try and prevent additional criminals coming in from other countries?

[whitey]

Who knows Whitey? Do you know where when and how he came in? Don't know what docs he used?

No one seems to know....even the judge

[tonto1888]

Only, or mainly, in Western Europe are countries having serious problems with immigration. I merely want us to protect ourselves for future generations.

However, thanks for the holier-than-thou lecture.

Look, it's pretty obvious neither of us is going to persuade the other, and while I know arguing with strangers on the internet is basically pointless, sometimes it can be stimulating. This, though, isn't -  so I'm off to scrub the dishes!

Like what? Upsetting racist patients who want to be treated by one of their own?

Or upsetting racist patients who don't want a fella jerking off at the foot of their hospital bed when theyre recovering from an operation might be a start

A fella with 8 priors BTW

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/serial-flasher-jailed-after-performing-sexual-act-in-front-of-woman-in-hospital-as-she-recovered-from-surgery/a2146621981.html

Are you gonna comment on the fella with over 30 priors who was free to murder a young lad in lurgan? Or does thefact he was a local make it ok? Or maybe it's because his victim was from the north?

Saying as this thread is about immigrants then it's not really relevant is it.

Dude brought up prior convictions so aye. It's relevant.

Eamonn claimed that migrants were the victims of overly vigorous prosecution by the authorities....they are being picked on!

So a guy with 8 priors for lewd behavior-was he the victim of an overly aggressive prosecution?

Regarding the guy in Lurgan, as has been said on here a million times, just because we have home grown criminals, does that means we shouldn't try and prevent additional criminals coming in from other countries?

I don't o ow if he's a victim of over aggressive policing but I do know that people are more concerned about him and what he done or what other foreign nationals have done than what they are about what locals do. Why is that?

[Rossfan]

Hope no Dublin women are being let into Roscommon...

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/woman-charged-over-bus-slash-attack-that-left-teenager-permanently-scarred/a1896499326.html

[whitey]

Only, or mainly, in Western Europe are countries having serious problems with immigration. I merely want us to protect ourselves for future generations.

However, thanks for the holier-than-thou lecture.

Look, it's pretty obvious neither of us is going to persuade the other, and while I know arguing with strangers on the internet is basically pointless, sometimes it can be stimulating. This, though, isn't -  so I'm off to scrub the dishes!

Like what? Upsetting racist patients who want to be treated by one of their own?

Or upsetting racist patients who don't want a fella jerking off at the foot of their hospital bed when theyre recovering from an operation might be a start

A fella with 8 priors BTW

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/serial-flasher-jailed-after-performing-sexual-act-in-front-of-woman-in-hospital-as-she-recovered-from-surgery/a2146621981.html

Are you gonna comment on the fella with over 30 priors who was free to murder a young lad in lurgan? Or does thefact he was a local make it ok? Or maybe it's because his victim was from the north?

Saying as this thread is about immigrants then it's not really relevant is it.

Dude brought up prior convictions so aye. It's relevant.

Eamonn claimed that migrants were the victims of overly vigorous prosecution by the authorities....they are being picked on!

So a guy with 8 priors for lewd behavior-was he the victim of an overly aggressive prosecution?

Regarding the guy in Lurgan, as has been said on here a million times, just because we have home grown criminals, does that means we shouldn't try and prevent additional criminals coming in from other countries?

I don't o ow if he's a victim of over aggressive policing but I do know that people are more concerned about him and what he done or what other foreign nationals have done than what they are about what locals do. Why is that?

Because locals can't be deported

This guy can and should be deported

[Milltown Row2]

He might still be

[tonto1888]

Only, or mainly, in Western Europe are countries having serious problems with immigration. I merely want us to protect ourselves for future generations.

However, thanks for the holier-than-thou lecture.

Look, it's pretty obvious neither of us is going to persuade the other, and while I know arguing with strangers on the internet is basically pointless, sometimes it can be stimulating. This, though, isn't -  so I'm off to scrub the dishes!

Like what? Upsetting racist patients who want to be treated by one of their own?

Or upsetting racist patients who don't want a fella jerking off at the foot of their hospital bed when theyre recovering from an operation might be a start

A fella with 8 priors BTW

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/serial-flasher-jailed-after-performing-sexual-act-in-front-of-woman-in-hospital-as-she-recovered-from-surgery/a2146621981.html

Are you gonna comment on the fella with over 30 priors who was free to murder a young lad in lurgan? Or does thefact he was a local make it ok? Or maybe it's because his victim was from the north?

Saying as this thread is about immigrants then it's not really relevant is it.

Dude brought up prior convictions so aye. It's relevant.

Eamonn claimed that migrants were the victims of overly vigorous prosecution by the authorities....they are being picked on!

So a guy with 8 priors for lewd behavior-was he the victim of an overly aggressive prosecution?

Regarding the guy in Lurgan, as has been said on here a million times, just because we have home grown criminals, does that means we shouldn't try and prevent additional criminals coming in from other countries?

I don't o ow if he's a victim of over aggressive policing but I do know that people are more concerned about him and what he done or what other foreign nationals have done than what they are about what locals do. Why is that?

Because locals can't be deported

This guy can and should be deported

Nah. That's not the reason why.