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We all know this disgusting scandal is as a result of The Church and The State, but who do you hold mostly accountable, and should therefore pay out the most in compensation to victims?

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snoopdog

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« Reply #2250 on: February 08, 2018, 08:59:46 PM »
He had left the year or 2 before I went to the school. But is a cover up by the church anything new. I believe it was public knowledge b4 he died around Hilltown yet the current bishop still officiated at his funeral.

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« Reply #2251 on: February 08, 2018, 09:17:25 PM »
He had left the year or 2 before I went to the school. But is a cover up by the church anything new. I believe it was public knowledge b4 he died around Hilltown yet the current bishop still officiated at his funeral.

Aye but.... signed Tony McFearon

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« Reply #2252 on: February 08, 2018, 10:27:48 PM »
He had left the year or 2 before I went to the school. But is a cover up by the church anything new. I believe it was public knowledge b4 he died around Hilltown yet the current bishop still officiated at his funeral.

No the church cover up is the traditional first action and the first step in the cover up is to blame the victim and then move the offender to another part of the church where they can continue to abuse. Finally, the last thing to do is to ensure that no one follows basic safeguarding measures nor informs the civil authorities.

There is no doubt that the late Bishop Brookes is guilty of the cover up but the current Bishop McAreavey can no longer get away with yet another apology for his role in relation to child abuse and the victims within his diocese.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/bishop-bares-soul-on-how-he-caused-hurt-to-his-priests-failed-to-understand-abuse-victims-and-struggled-to-cope-with-the-murder-of-michaela-mcareavey-29717507.html

http://www.irishnews.com/paywall/tsb/irishnews/irishnews/irishnews//news/northernirelandnews/2018/02/08/news/bishop-regrets-saying-funeral-mass-of-priest-who-sexually-abused-pupils-1251521/content.html

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« Reply #2253 on: February 08, 2018, 11:00:33 PM »


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« Reply #2254 on: February 08, 2018, 11:11:26 PM »
It's not whataboutery, it's fact.Should the current British Monarchy be held accountable for slavery centuries ago.While not condoning past failures time moves on and more and more protective measures are put in place.

Too easy

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« Reply #2255 on: February 08, 2018, 11:54:28 PM »
It's not whataboutery, it's fact.Should the current British Monarchy be held accountable for slavery centuries ago.While not condoning past failures time moves on and more and more protective measures are put in place.

You moved from one whataboutery straight into another! You stupidness knows no bounds
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« Reply #2256 on: February 09, 2018, 12:05:15 AM »
"He suggested I steer away from outside counselling services as they could be steering me in the wrong direction, and could lead me in the wrong direction,"... arranged for him to complete counselling sessions with a nun... During the second last meeting with the nun, Mr Faloon says she told him that "given time, God will forgive you".

They were all involved in the cover up.

Owen Brannigan

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« Reply #2257 on: February 09, 2018, 10:01:56 AM »
This man is dead almost 20 years.His crimes were not properly addressed at the time by the Church,just like the crimes of employees of the BBC in the same era weren't properly addressed,nor those of a multitude of sports coaches across the globe etc etc

While not excusing those who failed years ago,lessons have been learned and the Church has robust procedures to deal with allegations of abuse in the modern era.

The abuser died 16 years ago but the damage done to his victims will never end for those poor people.  Many of those who knew about his abuse and covered it up or even just knew about and did not nothing (I think your church calls that sins of omission) are still in position and well and truly alive.  The bishop of the diocese knew of the abuse yet lauded the predator at his funeral and believes that an apology is sufficient when by his own admission his behaviour towards abuse victims was far from satisfactory.

BTW where does the modern era start for you.  The abuse by this person went on during your lifetime and on those who are younger than you!

Where is your evidence that the so called 'robust procedures' to deal with 'allegations of abuse in the modern era' are working?  Are you relating nothing in the media about clerical abuse carried out in recent years with the procedures preventing such abuse?  Many of those who carried out clerical abuse before what you term as the modern era are still alive and living in communities.

Do you think abuse by clergy ended when safeguarding officials were appointed in parishes and dioceses?  How do you account for the number of clergy who are absent from parishes with no explanation and canon law still trumping civil law? 

Where is the safeguarding action by Catholic church being applied to the growing number of vulnerable adults in our ageing population?



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« Reply #2259 on: February 10, 2018, 12:57:01 AM »
http://nativescomunity.info/2017/12/16/nun-arrested-for-helping-five-priests-rape-deaf-children/

This one is worse!!  Im  Glad all the robust measures are in place to stop this stuff that happened 20 years ago, oh wait no, this was recently ffs! If only the highest ranking of clergy was from this country, oh wait!

Deaf children Ffs!! Unreal
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« Reply #2260 on: February 10, 2018, 10:49:34 AM »
He had left the year or 2 before I went to the school. But is a cover up by the church anything new. I believe it was public knowledge b4 he died around Hilltown yet the current bishop still officiated at his funeral.

"cover up by the church" and "public knowledge" used in successive sentences! Do you realise how ridiculous this is?

Your Church's 'cover up' continues because it ignores its civil responsibility to turn over allegations and evidence to the civil authorities and refuses to inform authorities in social care of its knowledge and findings.

Your Church has learned how to play the game better, it has safeguarding officers in place but they must report to the bishops or parish priests and do not have the autonomy to report to the civil authorities. They are toothless, ineffective, window dressing and often used as the civilian arm the parish priest or bishop. See recent story in Irish News  http://www.irishnews.com/paywall/tsb/irishnews/irishnews/irishnews//news/2018/01/02/news/omagh-church-safeguarding-row-silences-children-s-choir-1223121/content.html

Your Church now realises that it is the mainstream media that it must control to protect its interests. Yes it does isolate priests when allegations are made but it does nothing to investigate and report to the authorities so it does nothing to protect the vulnerable.  It is still concerned only with protecting the reputation of the institution and not dealing with the victims, the alleged perpetrators or the abusers.

The hidden victims are now the many vulnerable elderly, the last group who still hold the clergy in reverence.
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« Reply #2261 on: February 10, 2018, 01:41:47 PM »
https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2018/02/09/news/priest-warned-abuse-victim-he-would-be-ruined-if-he-spoke-out-1252366/

What's this? The victim told his parents and police about Finnegan when he was 17 and Finnegan still alive,but they did nothing??????

Scoring points on priest raping kids Tony is a new low for you! Youre a twisted f**ker
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« Reply #2262 on: February 10, 2018, 01:47:27 PM »
Sadly it isn't a new low. The gutter has been reached many times before.

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« Reply #2263 on: February 10, 2018, 01:56:34 PM »
https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2018/02/09/news/priest-warned-abuse-victim-he-would-be-ruined-if-he-spoke-out-1252366/

What's this? The victim told his parents and police about Finnegan when he was 17 and Finnegan still alive,but they did nothing??????

Should you not be over on the death thread making jokes about the latest tragedies?

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« Reply #2264 on: February 10, 2018, 01:57:57 PM »
https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2018/02/09/news/priest-warned-abuse-victim-he-would-be-ruined-if-he-spoke-out-1252366/

What's this? The victim told his parents and police about Finnegan when he was 17 and Finnegan still alive,but they did nothing??????

And you know this for definite?

Of course you don't know the heartache of these parents or what they attempted to do for their son.  You can be sure that they would have experienced the same knock backs that their son experienced from the bishop.  So, do not attempt to blame the parents for something you know nothing about. 

Better to realise that you are an apologist for clerical abuse and cover up of such crimes by your Church's hierarchy.