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We all know this disgusting scandal is as a result of The Church and The State, but who do you hold mostly accountable, and should therefore pay out the most in compensation to victims?

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Owen Brannigan

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« Reply #2625 on: May 19, 2018, 10:56:19 PM »
Oh dear, Dromore diocese in trouble again?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-44185874

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« Reply #2627 on: May 20, 2018, 08:14:21 AM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-latin-america-44169484

While the Chile situation is particularly bad, the Irish Church is not far behind in its actions and inactions in relation to abuse.

When the Pope called the Irish bishops together in the last year for a similar meeting they did not have the same integrity to offer their resignations and he didn't ask for them.  What a waste of an opportunity to turn the Irish Church around.

Only an immediate root and branch reform can turn the Irish Church from oblivion in the next 15/20 years when the current batch of clergy in their 70s and 80s are no longer here.

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« Reply #2628 on: May 20, 2018, 10:26:14 AM »
In order for the church to survive in Ireland and a lot of Europe I feel they need to allow women priests and for priests to marry. The 'rules' against this are man made.

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« Reply #2629 on: May 20, 2018, 11:05:43 AM »
In order for the church to survive in Ireland and a lot of Europe I feel they need to allow women priests and for priests to marry. The 'rules' against this are man made.

All of the rules and regulations in the Catholic Church are 'man made'.

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« Reply #2630 on: May 20, 2018, 04:46:35 PM »
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/dromore-priest-steps-aside-pending-psni-investigation-1.3502017

The Catholic Diocese of Dromore has said it is cooperating fully with a PSNI investigation into an historical safeguarding allegation against a priest.
Canon Francis Brown has “voluntarily stepped aside from all public ministry” while the allegation was being investigated by officers, the diocese said.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/northern-ireland-priest-unaware-of-details-of-safeguarding-allegation-made-against-him-36927442.html

On Sunday a statement was released on behalf of Canon Brown, administrator of the Newry parish. He said: "I have been informed by Bishop Philip Boyce, the Apostolic Administrator for the Diocese, that an allegation of an historic nature has been made against me. The details of the allegation have not so far been made known to either myself or The Diocese.
"The complaint has been made recently and I understand that some time is required to have it investigated. "Naturally, I have agreed therefore to step aside from my role as Administrator of the Parish for the time being to allow the investigation to be completed.
"In accordance with the agreed protocol I shall not be involved in ministry during that period of time. I wish to reassure all of my parishioners, my fellow priests, deacon and religious that I look forward to a thorough and expeditious examination of this matter and I expect to return to my work in the parish in the near future.
"I hope that you will remember me in your thoughts and prayers in the weeks ahead and I look forward to returning soon to again serve you in the Parish of Newry."

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-44190496

A priest based in Newry, County Down, has confirmed he has stepped aside from public ministry while a historical allegation against him is investigated.
Canon Francis Brown, administrator of Newry Cathedral Parish, has issued statement saying he expects to return to work when the investigation is over.
Earlier, the PSNI said they were investigating "an historical allegation of abuse against a member of clergy in the Diocese of Dromore". The complaint was made in April.
Canon Brown is originally from Hilltown, County Down. He is a former president of St Colman's College, a boy's secondary school in Newry.

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« Reply #2631 on: May 30, 2018, 03:41:20 PM »
I see on the news another ex st Colmans teacher Patrick carton was found guilty of indecent assaults on students on occasions as recently as 2007.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-43500697

13 years in jail

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« Reply #2632 on: May 30, 2018, 07:43:01 PM »
http://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2018/05/24/news/concerns-raised-over-how-catholic-diocese-of-dromore-handled-allegation-made-against-newry-cathedral-administrator-1337041/

CONCERNS have been raised over how the Catholic diocese of Dromore has handled an allegation made against the administrator of Newry Cathedral. It was revealed last weekend that Canon Francis Brown had stepped aside from public ministry while the allegation against him was investigated. However, it was claimed today that the priest remained in ministry in the diocese for six weeks after being made aware of the accusation.

The Nolan Show on BBC Radio Ulster reported Canon Brown was told about the allegation by a member of the public at the beginning of March 2018 and again a number of weeks later. It was reported he refused to make his diocese aware of the allegation and said it was not his responsibility to refer himself to Church authorities. However, diocesan guidelines state when someone makes a complaint they should be provided with contact details of the designated liaison person as the disclosing person may wish to ask questions later.

While the nature of the allegation had been previously unclear, the Nolan Show claimed it had spoken to the alleged victim who said it was a "sexual abuse allegation" and relates to a period when the priest was in St Colman's College, Newry.

In a statemen the Dromore diocese said it was aware of the "suggestions and comments" made on the radio show. "The diocese also wishes to clarify that Canon Brown was advised of an allegation and agreed to step aside from all ministry within the diocese and associated bodies," it said. "While he may currently be named on some school websites as a member of the safeguarding team he has voluntarily stepped aside from all ministry and such publications are under revision. "This status will remain while the police investigation is ongoing."

It was also reported the priest continues to be listed as a contact for safeguarding issues for schools in the parish. But a CCMS spokesman said Canon Brown had "stepped aside from his roles as a school governor in St Clare’s Abbey Primary School, Newry and St Joseph’s High School, Newry" pending the outcome of the police investigation. "Arrangements are being made to replace him and all school literature is being updated to reflect the new governance structures at both schools." A solicitor for Canon Brown said he "categorically asserts that he has never at any time behaved inappropriately to any child or adult". "Police have not asked to meet with Canon Brown and, if they do make such a request, he will co-operate fully with them in any investigation which they undertake," they added.

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« Reply #2633 on: June 11, 2018, 04:06:25 PM »
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/ex-school-principal-goes-on-trial-for-sexual-abuse-of-nine-boys-1.3526723

A former primary school principal is to stand trial accused of sexual offences against nine boys, a judge ordered on Monday. Christian Brother Paul Dunleavy appeared before Belfast Magistrates’ Court to face a total of 41 charges. The 82-year-old, with an address at the Province Centre, Griffith Avenue in Dublin, allegedly committed multiple counts of indecent assault and gross indecency towards a child. He is also accused of attempted buggery and inciting gross indecency. The charges span a ten-year period between 1969 and 1978. At the time, he taught at the now-closed St Colman’s Abbey Primary School in Newry.

During a preliminary enquiry hearing he confirmed that he understood the allegations against him. Prosecutors submitted that he had a prima facie case to answer. District Judge Fiona Bagnall granted an application to have the accused returned for Crown Court trial on a date to be fixed, the Courts Service confirmed. He was released on continuing bail of £500 until those proceedings get underway.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-44442063

A former headmaster of a Newry primary school has appeared in court charged with 41 sexual offences against children. Christian Brother Paul Dunleavy, 82, with an address at the Province Centre on Dublin's Griffith Avenue, appeared in Laganside Magistrates' Court. The charges relate to the 1960s and 70s when Br Dunleavy was a teacher at St Colman's Abbey Primary School in Newry. They include accusations from nine boys. He was released on £500 bail.

The school closed in 2014 when it was merged with another school in the city. At Monday's brief hearing, Br Dunleavy confirmed that he understood the nature of the charges against him.

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« Reply #2634 on: August 14, 2018, 09:59:39 PM »
300 priests - 1000+victims - been happening 70+ years

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/14/us/pennsylvania-catholic-church-grand-jury/index.html

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(CNN)A new grand jury report says that internal documents from six Catholic dioceses in Pennsylvania show that more than 300 "predator priests" have been credibly accused of sexually abusing more than 1,000 child victims.

"We believe that the real number of children whose records were lost or who were afraid ever to come forward is in the thousands," the grand jury report says.

"Priests were raping little boys and girls, and the men of God who were responsible for them not only did nothing; they hid it all. For decades. Monsignors, auxiliary bishops, bishops, archbishops, cardinals have mostly been protected; many, including some named in this report, have been promoted. Until that changes, we think it is too early to close the book on the Catholic Church sex scandal."

The lengthy report, released Tuesday afternoon, investigates clergy sexual abuse in six dioceses dating back to 1947. Pennsylvania's two other dioceses, Philadelphia and Altoona-Johnstown, were the subjects of earlier grand jury reports, which found similarly damaging information about clergy and bishops in those dioceses.

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« Reply #2635 on: August 15, 2018, 10:03:09 AM »
300 priests - 1000+victims - been happening 70+ years

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/14/us/pennsylvania-catholic-church-grand-jury/index.html

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(CNN)A new grand jury report says that internal documents from six Catholic dioceses in Pennsylvania show that more than 300 "predator priests" have been credibly accused of sexually abusing more than 1,000 child victims.

"We believe that the real number of children whose records were lost or who were afraid ever to come forward is in the thousands," the grand jury report says.

"Priests were raping little boys and girls, and the men of God who were responsible for them not only did nothing; they hid it all. For decades. Monsignors, auxiliary bishops, bishops, archbishops, cardinals have mostly been protected; many, including some named in this report, have been promoted. Until that changes, we think it is too early to close the book on the Catholic Church sex scandal."

The lengthy report, released Tuesday afternoon, investigates clergy sexual abuse in six dioceses dating back to 1947. Pennsylvania's two other dioceses, Philadelphia and Altoona-Johnstown, were the subjects of earlier grand jury reports, which found similarly damaging information about clergy and bishops in those dioceses.

Another tough read.
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« Reply #2636 on: August 15, 2018, 11:28:40 AM »
"Also in Allentown, a priest who had abused several boys, according to the grand jury, was given a recommendation to work at Disney World."
I wanna have my kicks before the whole shithouse goes up in flames.