Raging against the machine

Started by Owen Brannigan, April 12, 2017, 10:30:46 PM

Previous topic - Next topic

Owen Brannigan

Bad enough that Armagh has had the bad news today of losing the Observer newspaper and ace reporter Joe McManus being laid off but today's bad news for the city continued with the word that the Observatory weather station is to be automated.

Manual weather measurements have been recorded daily on the site since 1795 but an automated system will soon be implemented.  Shane Kelly who has taken the 9-00am readings every day for 18 years is facing into the same fate as Joe McManus. He has no faith in the reliability of the proposed technology.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-39564125

Bit by bit the march of the computer is eating away at our traditions and the elements that have made up our lives through things like the Internet making our local papers no longer economically viable with falling advertising revenues and sales and now the skill and dedication of the technician building a metrological record is being superseded in the name of technological advance.

What will be next?

Olly

Access to this webpage has been denied . This website has been categorised as "Sexual Material".

Owen Brannigan

Quote from: Olly on April 12, 2017, 10:37:48 PM
Teachers.

Some of them can be and have been replaced by technology but there will always be the inspirational teacher who will always be needed to teach Media Studies.  The characters in the staffroom and classroom have already almost all disappeared to be replaced many who can easily be replaced by computer based learning.


seafoid

All of this is bad for jobs and it is contributing to deflation  which makes another crash likely. The logic of tech is economically  self defeating. I was in London recently and went into a Boots shop. There was a wall of self checkouts.  Maybe 4 people working where before there would have been 10. Boots is owned by private equity which is about profit maximisation. Tech gets the cash-flows.  People don't get payrises. The big picture is money going to the ultra rich.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Eamonnca1

I remember going to the planetarium in the 1980s as a youngster and getting excited by the Meteosat station that was beaming live pictures down from the satellite.


Eamonnca1

Quote from: seafoid on April 13, 2017, 03:23:39 AM
All of this is bad for jobs and it is contributing to deflation  which makes another crash likely. The logic of tech is economically  self defeating. I was in London recently and went into a Boots shop. There was a wall of self checkouts.  Maybe 4 people working where before there would have been 10. Boots is owned by private equity which is about profit maximisation. Tech gets the cash-flows.  People don't get payrises. The big picture is money going to the ultra rich.

Deflation? Inflation in the UK is at 2.3%, which is up from 0.3% in April 2016.

In the Free State inflation is at 0.5%.

Automation has been going on since the Industrial Revolution. Jobs get eliminated but new ones get created. We don't employ massive typing pools or switchboard operators anymore, but there's plenty of jobs that exist now that you couldn't even conceive of 30 years ago.

seafoid

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 13, 2017, 04:01:18 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 13, 2017, 03:23:39 AM
All of this is bad for jobs and it is contributing to deflation  which makes another crash likely. The logic of tech is economically  self defeating. I was in London recently and went into a Boots shop. There was a wall of self checkouts.  Maybe 4 people working where before there would have been 10. Boots is owned by private equity which is about profit maximisation. Tech gets the cash-flows.  People don't get payrises. The big picture is money going to the ultra rich.

Deflation? Inflation in the UK is at 2.3%, which is up from 0.3% in April 2016.

In the Free State inflation is at 0.5%.

Automation has been going on since the Industrial Revolution. Jobs get eliminated but new ones get created. We don't employ massive typing pools or switchboard operators anymore, but there's plenty of jobs that exist now that you couldn't even conceive of 30 years ago.

It's all stagnation. UK inflation is Brexit related.
In the US over 20% of eligible people are outside the workforce.
And CEO earnings have never been higher.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

laoislad

When you think you're fucked you're only about 40% fucked.

Milltown Row2

Quote from: seafoid on April 13, 2017, 08:38:58 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 13, 2017, 04:01:18 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 13, 2017, 03:23:39 AM
All of this is bad for jobs and it is contributing to deflation  which makes another crash likely. The logic of tech is economically  self defeating. I was in London recently and went into a Boots shop. There was a wall of self checkouts.  Maybe 4 people working where before there would have been 10. Boots is owned by private equity which is about profit maximisation. Tech gets the cash-flows.  People don't get payrises. The big picture is money going to the ultra rich.

Deflation? Inflation in the UK is at 2.3%, which is up from 0.3% in April 2016.

In the Free State inflation is at 0.5%.

Automation has been going on since the Industrial Revolution. Jobs get eliminated but new ones get created. We don't employ massive typing pools or switchboard operators anymore, but there's plenty of jobs that exist now that you couldn't even conceive of 30 years ago.

It's all stagnation. UK inflation is Brexit related.
In the US over 20% of eligible people are outside the workforce.
And CEO earnings have never been higher.

Is your problem with the CEO's? Stagnation, but then there is growth? but because its brexit related its a false view? We've had stagnation long before Brexit with the collapse of the banks...

Automation is a good thing, more jobs for engineering, designers, fitters, operators, service teams, computer tech, programmers
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

seafoid

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 13, 2017, 09:45:16 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 13, 2017, 08:38:58 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 13, 2017, 04:01:18 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 13, 2017, 03:23:39 AM
All of this is bad for jobs and it is contributing to deflation  which makes another crash likely. The logic of tech is economically  self defeating. I was in London recently and went into a Boots shop. There was a wall of self checkouts.  Maybe 4 people working where before there would have been 10. Boots is owned by private equity which is about profit maximisation. Tech gets the cash-flows.  People don't get payrises. The big picture is money going to the ultra rich.

Deflation? Inflation in the UK is at 2.3%, which is up from 0.3% in April 2016.

In the Free State inflation is at 0.5%.

Automation has been going on since the Industrial Revolution. Jobs get eliminated but new ones get created. We don't employ massive typing pools or switchboard operators anymore, but there's plenty of jobs that exist now that you couldn't even conceive of 30 years ago.

It's all stagnation. UK inflation is Brexit related.
In the US over 20% of eligible people are outside the workforce.
And CEO earnings have never been higher.

Is your problem with the CEO's? Stagnation, but then there is growth? but because its brexit related its a false view? We've had stagnation long before Brexit with the collapse of the banks...

Automation is a good thing, more jobs for engineering, designers, fitters, operators, service teams, computer tech, programmers
It depends on the big picture. If people aren't getting payrises and others are losing their jobs due to automation it is not good.
There is a measure called the velocity of money which shows how often the same pound is used in the economy. If it is low the
rich are hoarding money.
And now it is very low.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Milltown Row2

Quote from: seafoid on April 13, 2017, 10:05:23 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 13, 2017, 09:45:16 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 13, 2017, 08:38:58 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 13, 2017, 04:01:18 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 13, 2017, 03:23:39 AM
All of this is bad for jobs and it is contributing to deflation  which makes another crash likely. The logic of tech is economically  self defeating. I was in London recently and went into a Boots shop. There was a wall of self checkouts.  Maybe 4 people working where before there would have been 10. Boots is owned by private equity which is about profit maximisation. Tech gets the cash-flows.  People don't get payrises. The big picture is money going to the ultra rich.

Deflation? Inflation in the UK is at 2.3%, which is up from 0.3% in April 2016.

In the Free State inflation is at 0.5%.

Automation has been going on since the Industrial Revolution. Jobs get eliminated but new ones get created. We don't employ massive typing pools or switchboard operators anymore, but there's plenty of jobs that exist now that you couldn't even conceive of 30 years ago.

It's all stagnation. UK inflation is Brexit related.
In the US over 20% of eligible people are outside the workforce.
And CEO earnings have never been higher.

Is your problem with the CEO's? Stagnation, but then there is growth? but because its brexit related its a false view? We've had stagnation long before Brexit with the collapse of the banks...

Automation is a good thing, more jobs for engineering, designers, fitters, operators, service teams, computer tech, programmers
It depends on the big picture. If people aren't getting payrises and others are losing their jobs due to automation it is not good.
There is a measure called the velocity of money which shows how often the same pound is used in the economy. If it is low the
rich are hoarding money.
And now it is very low.

If other are losing their jobs to automation then that means that others are getting jobs in producing these automated devices plus the continued service of these machines employing more people, then its balancing out no?

The rich are rich for being sensible with their money, they should be taxed properly by the tax authorities and no loopholes should be allowed to facilitate them...by the same token benefits need to be looked at also, their are loads of jobs there but why would someone work 36 hour week to only be £30 quid up if they stayed on the dole and worked the system? so yes wages need to be regulated to increase people to work and stay of the benefits
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

TabClear

Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 12, 2017, 10:30:46 PM
Bad enough that Armagh has had the bad news today of losing the Observer newspaper and ace reporter Joe McManus being laid off but today's bad news for the city continued with the word that the Observatory weather station is to be automated.

Manual weather measurements have been recorded daily on the site since 1795 but an automated system will soon be implemented.  Shane Kelly who has taken the 9-00am readings every day for 18 years is facing into the same fate as Joe McManus. He has no faith in the reliability of the proposed technology.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-39564125

Bit by bit the march of the computer is eating away at our traditions and the elements that have made up our lives through things like the Internet making our local papers no longer economically viable with falling advertising revenues and sales and now the skill and dedication of the technician building a metrological record is being superseded in the name of technological advance.

What will be next?

I had a Computer Science teacher many years ago with your name. ...He didn't object to computers. ..... :D

The Iceman

Technology has definitely changed a lot of things. I'm not worried about the jobs - the automation of tasks, robotics in supply chain - they all create a whole new wave of jobs.  Where technology has eaten away at society is through social media. It's a great tool for keeping in touch but many people rely solely on it.  Very few house calls are made, no more stopping by to make your ceili as they say around Armagh.
I mind watching the film Wall.E with the kids where the humans are all on their individual touch screen tablets, driving around in motorised chairs getting fatter and fatter, not interacting with each-other in real life but through screens - that's where we could be headed...
I will always keep myself mentally alert, physically strong and morally straight

Rossfan

A lot of people are there already :-\
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

thebigfella

Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 12, 2017, 10:30:46 PM
Bad enough that Armagh has had the bad news today of losing the Observer newspaper and ace reporter Joe McManus being laid off but today's bad news for the city continued with the word that the Observatory weather station is to be automated.

Manual weather measurements have been recorded daily on the site since 1795 but an automated system will soon be implemented.  Shane Kelly who has taken the 9-00am readings every day for 18 years is facing into the same fate as Joe McManus. He has no faith in the reliability of the proposed technology.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-39564125

Bit by bit the march of the computer is eating away at our traditions and the elements that have made up our lives through things like the Internet making our local papers no longer economically viable with falling advertising revenues and sales and now the skill and dedication of the technician building a metrological record is being superseded in the name of technological advance.

What will be next?

Sh1te talk.