Missing Plane!!

Started by EC Unique, June 01, 2009, 11:36:27 AM

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passedit

Quote from: Doogie Browser on June 02, 2009, 12:35:24 PM
Terrorism was ruled out almost immediately, terrible wait for the families now.

Why? Because they have conclusive proof it wasn't or so as not to scare the horses?

Don't Panic

Gnevin

Quote from: passedit on June 02, 2009, 12:44:09 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on June 02, 2009, 12:35:24 PM
Terrorism was ruled out almost immediately, terrible wait for the families now.

Why? Because they have conclusive proof it wasn't or so as not to scare the horses?


Because terrorism doesn't first cause a electrical fault .
Anyway, long story short... is a phrase whose origins are complicated and rambling.

Doogie Browser

Quote from: passedit on June 02, 2009, 12:44:09 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on June 02, 2009, 12:35:24 PM
Terrorism was ruled out almost immediately, terrible wait for the families now.

Why? Because they have conclusive proof it wasn't or so as not to scare the horses?
I thought the fact that there was a message sent from the plane on more than one occasion would mean that it was hardly a bomb.

Maiden1

Quote from: Doogie Browser on June 02, 2009, 12:53:45 PM
Quote from: passedit on June 02, 2009, 12:44:09 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on June 02, 2009, 12:35:24 PM
Terrorism was ruled out almost immediately, terrible wait for the families now.

Why? Because they have conclusive proof it wasn't or so as not to scare the horses?
I thought the fact that there was a message sent from the plane on more than one occasion would mean that it was hardly a bomb.

There was an automated message sent when the plane was lost from the radar, there was no mayday from the pilots.  Something happened to knock it out of the sky pretty quick.  Even if all the engines failed the plane would have kept gliding for 1/2 an hour with plenty of time for the pilots to send out a mayday signal.
There are no proofs, only opinions.

orangeman

Quote from: Maiden1 on June 02, 2009, 12:56:25 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on June 02, 2009, 12:53:45 PM
Quote from: passedit on June 02, 2009, 12:44:09 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on June 02, 2009, 12:35:24 PM
Terrorism was ruled out almost immediately, terrible wait for the families now.

Why? Because they have conclusive proof it wasn't or so as not to scare the horses?
I thought the fact that there was a message sent from the plane on more than one occasion would mean that it was hardly a bomb.

There was an automated message sent when the plane was lost from the radar, there was no mayday from the pilots.  Something happened to knock it out of the sky pretty quick.  Even if all the engines failed the plane would have kept gliding for 1/2 an hour with plenty of time for the pilots to send out a mayday signal.

The thoughts that would have been running through the passengers' minds as she was literally falling out of the sky.

Horrific.

Sympathy to their families.

orangeman

Brazilian aircraft searching for an Air France jet which went missing with 228 people aboard in an Atlantic storm have spotted debris on the ocean.
"Small remains" were located 650km (400 miles) north-east of Brazil's Fernando do Noronha island, the Brazilian air force said.

It could not be immediately confirmed that the debris came from the Airbus.


muppet

Quote from: Doogie Browser on June 02, 2009, 12:53:45 PM
Quote from: passedit on June 02, 2009, 12:44:09 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on June 02, 2009, 12:35:24 PM
Terrorism was ruled out almost immediately, terrible wait for the families now.

Why? Because they have conclusive proof it wasn't or so as not to scare the horses?
I thought the fact that there was a message sent from the plane on more than one occasion would mean that it was hardly a bomb.

The media are reporting the electrical fault message as being significant. That is not necessarily the case. A circuit breaker tripping would cause a message like that to be sent automatically but wouldn't necessarily cause difficulties for the aircraft.

No one is in a position to rule out any possibility until they they get the black box or the wreckage.

They rule out hi-jacking and bombs routinely nowadays to stop panic but they can't possibly be sure at the moment.

There is an ELT with the black box which means locating it won't be particularly difficult, it is the logistics of going to the bottom of the Atlantic to get it that is the problem.  
MWWSI 2017

full back

Quote from: muppet on June 02, 2009, 01:55:31 PM
There is an ELT with the black box which means locating it won't be particularly difficult, it is the logistics of going to the bottom of the Atlantic to get it that is the problem.  

Why dont the know where it is now then? (for example, it is 10,00 ft at the bottom of the Ocean, but at least they would know it is in the Ocean)
Maybe Im a bit gormless here, but I thought something would transmit a signal regardless of where the plane is ???

muppet

Quote from: full back on June 02, 2009, 02:05:56 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 02, 2009, 01:55:31 PM
There is an ELT with the black box which means locating it won't be particularly difficult, it is the logistics of going to the bottom of the Atlantic to get it that is the problem.  

Why dont the know where it is now then? (for example, it is 10,00 ft at the bottom of the Ocean, but at least they would know it is in the Ocean)
Maybe Im a bit gormless here, but I thought something would transmit a signal regardless of where the plane is ???

The ELT transmits a signal.
MWWSI 2017

full back

How specific is the signal that is transmitted?

muppet

Quote from: full back on June 02, 2009, 02:15:14 PM
How specific is the signal that is transmitted?

It is purely a locating device.
MWWSI 2017

orangeman

French Defence Minister Herve Morin has stressed there is still "no evidence whatsoever" as to the cause of the plane's loss

"We cannot, by definition, exclude a terrorist attack, because terrorism is the main threat for all Western democracies," he added

orangeman

Given that a lot of the earth, most of it is water, why have such a device if it can't be recovered.


I think they've found the crash area now.

Capt Pat

"terrorism was ruled out almost immediately". Hold on a second they don't have a clue yet. The airline industry will always play games like this until they are forced to admit what the real cause was. Storms do not make planes crash on their own, something else has to go wrong, human error, a technical fault, a combination of both or a bomb.

"The family has asked for privacy" ok a start would be not writing poems publicising your daughters death and releasing it to the press. You will be left alone as long as you do not court publicity, you have nothing really to add to the story.


Capt Pat

Quote from: orangeman on June 02, 2009, 01:39:05 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on June 02, 2009, 12:56:25 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on June 02, 2009, 12:53:45 PM
Quote from: passedit on June 02, 2009, 12:44:09 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on June 02, 2009, 12:35:24 PM
Terrorism was ruled out almost immediately, terrible wait for the families now.

Why? Because they have conclusive proof it wasn't or so as not to scare the horses?
I thought the fact that there was a message sent from the plane on more than one occasion would mean that it was hardly a bomb.

There was an automated message sent when the plane was lost from the radar, there was no mayday from the pilots.  Something happened to knock it out of the sky pretty quick.  Even if all the engines failed the plane would have kept gliding for 1/2 an hour with plenty of time for the pilots to send out a mayday signal.

The thoughts that would have been running through the passengers' minds as she was literally falling out of the sky.

Horrific.

Sympathy to their families.

Quick death, a great way to go imho. The tragedy is that they were so young.