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Title: International rules
Post by: tonto1888 on September 26, 2017, 09:32:21 PM
Is it on his year? And if so, when?
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: tonto1888 on September 26, 2017, 09:33:28 PM
Never mind. Mods can delete this is required
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: rodney trotter on September 26, 2017, 09:51:09 PM
https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwipkrfm3MPWAhXLCMAKHb5PB64QFgg2MAM&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gaa.ie%2Ffootball%2Fnews%2Fdates-and-venues-confirmed-for-2017-international-rules-series%2F&usg=AFQjCNEX9E6ly2TLJD_cpodkSEbKVPVjcA
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: From the Bunker on September 26, 2017, 10:09:39 PM
Oh jez, this rubbish again!  :-\
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Rossfan on September 27, 2017, 12:19:05 AM
Only hope any Mayo man has of winning a cup in 2017.
Heard our Enda is in with a good shout.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: magpie seanie on September 27, 2017, 09:14:38 AM
Non-GAA section please.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Redhand Santa on September 27, 2017, 09:52:18 AM
The last two tests have had some of the top players for each of the countries playing good close games in front of nearly 40,000 on both sides of the world. Gives a bit of exposure to our top players at a time of the year when the press usually focus on other sports. If you don't like it it's very easy to ignore.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Walter Cronc on September 27, 2017, 10:01:29 AM
Think its the only topic I've ever agreed with Mickey Harte on!
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: AZOffaly on September 27, 2017, 10:14:06 AM
Non-GAA section please.

:)
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Rossfan on September 27, 2017, 10:24:52 AM
Think its the only topic I've ever agreed with Mickey Harte on!
Hopefully it doesn't keep the crowds away from the Railway Cup.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: rosnarun on September 27, 2017, 10:45:35 AM
Think its the only topic I've ever agreed with Mickey Harte on!
Hopefully it doesn't keep the crowds away from the Railway Cup.
why not make it the railway cup top 2 teams (with 5 guest players from the province) from Ireland play top 2 teams for OZ. might be a bit more interesting ..
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Rossfan on September 27, 2017, 04:51:22 PM
http://www.gaa.ie/football/news/lee-keegan-ruled-out-ireland-international-rules-squad/
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: befair on September 27, 2017, 05:34:16 PM
Some upsides; a chance for for players to represent their country, and (2) for great players form lesser counties to show their skills. Have been some wonderful contests over the year, but too hard to manipulate the rules to ensure an even contest
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: rodney trotter on September 27, 2017, 06:52:42 PM
‏ @depboyle 
Oz based Conor McKenna, Zach Tuohy and Pearse Hanley set to be included in International Rules squad leaving 20 spots for the rest.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Jinxy on September 27, 2017, 06:54:40 PM
Bring back the dog.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Cunny Funt on September 27, 2017, 07:11:54 PM
https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwipkrfm3MPWAhXLCMAKHb5PB64QFgg2MAM&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gaa.ie%2Ffootball%2Fnews%2Fdates-and-venues-confirmed-for-2017-international-rules-series%2F&usg=AFQjCNEX9E6ly2TLJD_cpodkSEbKVPVjcA

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The opening game will take place on Sunday, November 12 at the Adelaide Oval.
The deciding test will take place the following Saturday night, November 18, at the Domain Stadium in Perth

Provincial club championships will be in full flow during November who was daft enough to schedule those dates?

Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Aaron Boone on September 27, 2017, 07:59:31 PM
‏ @depboyle 
Oz based Conor McKenna, Zach Tuohy and Pearse Hanley set to be included in International Rules squad leaving 20 spots for the rest.

Conor McKenna obviously doing well to be the player at the official launch today.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Don Johnson on September 27, 2017, 08:36:47 PM
I think it's hilarious how much some people get so worked up over this.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Syferus on September 27, 2017, 08:49:02 PM
https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwipkrfm3MPWAhXLCMAKHb5PB64QFgg2MAM&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gaa.ie%2Ffootball%2Fnews%2Fdates-and-venues-confirmed-for-2017-international-rules-series%2F&usg=AFQjCNEX9E6ly2TLJD_cpodkSEbKVPVjcA

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The opening game will take place on Sunday, November 12 at the Adelaide Oval.
The deciding test will take place the following Saturday night, November 18, at the Domain Stadium in Perth

Provincial club championships will be in full flow during November who was daft enough to schedule those dates?

What the frig does that have to do with anything in Australia? Do you think they’re worrying their heads over ties like Melvin Gaels v Tourestrane?

The Aussie Rules have always clashed with club championships, and if anything being in mid November means more players will have their club championships over by the time these ties come around.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: cavanmaniac on September 29, 2017, 12:12:22 AM
I think it's hilarious how much some people get so worked up over this.

+ 1
It's fair enough not liking something, each to their own etc., but for me, the annual cavalcade of embittered detractors getting their knickers in a twist and trying to hound everyone into their worldview by practically flash-mobbing every thread on the subject in their rush to let us all know how much more sportingly sophisticated they are than the rest of us because they hate it, that's possibly more entertaining than the game itself. It's almost evangelical in its zealousness.

I seldom watch it these days as it's kinda like sanitised choreography with a modicum of aggression and a football, but I don't spend my time picketing threads like an anti-abortion protester either.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Orchard park on September 29, 2017, 12:15:01 AM
It's a blazer and journalist gig.

Let them off
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: trileacman on September 29, 2017, 12:48:43 AM
I think it's hilarious how much some people get so worked up over this.

+ 1
It's fair enough not liking something, each to their own etc., but for me, the annual cavalcade of embittered detractors getting their knickers in a twist and trying to hound everyone into their worldview by practically flash-mobbing every thread on the subject in their rush to let us all know how much more sportingly sophisticated they are than the rest of us because they hate it, that's possibly more entertaining than the game itself. It's almost evangelical in its zealousness.

I seldom watch it these days as it's kinda like sanitised choreography with a modicum of aggression and a football, but I don't spend my time picketing threads like an anti-abortion protester either.

Happens all the time. See the lions thread.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: DuffleKing on September 29, 2017, 08:40:55 AM
The last two tests have had some of the top players for each of the countries playing good close games in front of nearly 40,000 on both sides of the world. Gives a bit of exposure to our top players at a time of the year when the press usually focus on other sports. If you don't like it it's very easy to ignore.

The best Australians do not play in this farce
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: TabClear on September 29, 2017, 09:00:55 AM
The last two tests have had some of the top players for each of the countries playing good close games in front of nearly 40,000 on both sides of the world. Gives a bit of exposure to our top players at a time of the year when the press usually focus on other sports. If you don't like it it's very easy to ignore.

The best Australians do not play in this farce

Dont know about that. Australian 2015 squad below

Luke Hodge (c)   4 time premiership with 3 as captain, 2 time Norman Smith.
Dustin Fletcher (gk)   3rd most games all time
Hayden Ballantyne   Fremantle
Eddie Betts   Adelaide Best small forward in the game
Grant Birchall   Hawthorn Triple premiership winner
Luke Breust   Hawthorn Triple premiership winner
Patrick Dangerfield   Geelong Brownlow winner and runner up
Andrew Gaff   West Coast
Brendon Goddard   Essendon
Robbie Gray   Port Adelaide One of the best midfielders in the game
Dyson Heppell   Essendon Former Rising Star winner
Sam Mitchell   Hawthorn Brownlow medalist and four time premiership
Leigh Montagna   St Kilda
David Mundy   Fremantle
Robert Murphy   Western Bulldogs
Nick Riewoldt   St Kilda Recognised as one of the best every CHF  all-time record for most marks in VFL/AFL history
Tom Rockliff   Brisbane Lions
Jarryd Roughead   Hawthorn 4 time premiership
Nick Smith   Sydney
Jake Stringer   Western Bulldogs
Harry Taylor   Geelong Double Premiership winner an
Easton Wood   Western Bulldogs Reigning premiership

Yes, certain players choose not to play but you would have a hard time arguing that the players above are not among the best in 2015. About half were named in  All Australian Team (equivalent of All Star)and the majority of the rest were at least nominated for AA.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Redhand Santa on September 29, 2017, 09:11:23 AM
The last two tests had some of Australia's top players playing and were close good games. People who are against the international rules quickly forget the positives. Australia had previously committed to playing players who had won the equivalent of an all star, I assume that is still the case this year.

 In the past when Australia put out their best players they were too quick and strong for the Irish. But both games have changed since then. The gap in size of the top players has narrowed and the Irish players have got fitter. They still cant quite match the Australians but have other advantages. Hoping for a good series as their is plenty of benefits of this at a quiet time of year for gaa coverage. Hopefully another Gary Brennan emerges, he was excellent last time.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Rossfan on September 29, 2017, 09:22:56 AM
It's great when a player from one of the "little" Counties gets recognised seeing as the All Stars farce seldom goes beyond the AI semi finalists.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: sligoman2 on September 29, 2017, 12:49:06 PM
I certainly will be watching it.  It's better than some championship games.. ;) ;) ;)

If you don't like it don't watch it, very simple.  Don't complain about lads getting a trip to Australia to represent their country.  With a top Australian team this should be good, who won in 2015? 




Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Syferus on September 29, 2017, 01:24:38 PM
The last two tests have had some of the top players for each of the countries playing good close games in front of nearly 40,000 on both sides of the world. Gives a bit of exposure to our top players at a time of the year when the press usually focus on other sports. If you don't like it it's very easy to ignore.

The best Australians do not play in this farce

You really plastered your ignorance on your forehead there.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: longballin on September 29, 2017, 01:31:53 PM
It's for GAA fans who don't follow club football which is why the hierarchy put in on during club championships. Should be in March though be better it wasnt on at all. Serves no purpose whatsoever... junket for travelling team and their entourage
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Rossfan on September 29, 2017, 02:18:36 PM
I know plenty if club followers  who go to these Internationals.
Also great to see loads of kids getting to cheer on an Irish team in Croker.
I have no interest in rubby or soccer but don't log into their threads to tell them that.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on September 29, 2017, 03:22:59 PM
I like it,  always thought though that they should switch balls at half time even if it gave the aussies a massive advantage.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Wildweasel74 on September 29, 2017, 03:32:56 PM
You ever watch club football at this time of year on bad pitches; it literally is muck!
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Esmarelda on September 29, 2017, 04:02:58 PM
The last two tests have had some of the top players for each of the countries playing good close games in front of nearly 40,000 on both sides of the world. Gives a bit of exposure to our top players at a time of the year when the press usually focus on other sports. If you don't like it it's very easy to ignore.

The best Australians do not play in this farce
Such emotional, dramatic language about a game you presumably don't watch. Is it on instead of your favourite TV show?
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Cunny Funt on September 29, 2017, 05:58:05 PM
You ever watch club football at this time of year on bad pitches; it literally is muck!
All weather or top quality surfaces nowadays shame on any county board that decide to fix any high profile club games on bad pitches.

Title: Re: International rules
Post by: OgraAnDun on September 29, 2017, 08:14:06 PM
You ever watch club football at this time of year on bad pitches; it literally is muck!
All weather or top quality surfaces nowadays shame on any county board that decide to fix any high profile club games on bad pitches.

I don’t know of any stadiums in Ulster with all weather pitches. Where do you want all the spectators to go?
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: screenexile on September 29, 2017, 09:09:40 PM
You ever watch club football at this time of year on bad pitches; it literally is muck!
All weather or top quality surfaces nowadays shame on any county board that decide to fix any high profile club games on bad pitches.

I don’t know of any stadiums in Ulster with all weather pitches. Where do you want all the spectators to go?

Don't know about the others but Celtic Park is in phenomenal shape for the time of year. Owenbeg taking the brunt of the matches has left it in bad shape but CP was immaculate for the County Final last weekend.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Hound on September 29, 2017, 09:18:11 PM
My abiding memory of the International Series is falling in love with Darren Fay, after a life long obsession with hating everthing Meath GAA related!

Not sure if that's a good or bad thing.

(Also loved Sean Marty Lockhart from that team)
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: JimStynes on September 29, 2017, 09:53:17 PM
Any word of the team?
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: From the Bunker on September 29, 2017, 09:55:45 PM
The only way I'd have any interest in this is if the Dublin team went out to play the Aussies.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: OgraAnDun on September 29, 2017, 11:38:26 PM
The only way I'd have any interest in this is if the Dublin team went out to play the Aussies.


I think that would take some of the romanticism out of it, professionals from one sport against professionals from another doesn’t really have anything going for it  ;D
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Cunny Funt on October 20, 2017, 07:11:24 AM
No Dubs for International rules by the sounds of it.

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There is likely to be no Dublin players in Ireland’s international rules travelling party, which leaves for Australia in just over two weeks. This would be the first time that All-Ireland champions have been unrepresented in the 33-year history of the series.

Dermot Earley, who is one of manager Joe Kernan’s selectors, revealed the prospect at a press conference in DCU on Thursday.

“There haven’t been any (Dublin players) in training. We’ve asked a lot of the Dublin squad to come in but just because of injuries, club commitments, guys just wanting to take a break, I don’t think there will be any Dublin representation on this but again, that’s for Joe to announce.”

Jim Gavin’s panel have been involved in county championship matches since the All-Ireland final in September and although just the Dublin final remains, a number of high-profile players are still involved with their clubs whereas others have work commitments.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: rrhf on October 20, 2017, 08:51:25 AM
There'll be tears in Tyrone when they see how good is Conor mc kenna.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Dinny Breen on October 20, 2017, 09:14:05 AM
No Dubs for International rules by the sounds of it.

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There is likely to be no Dublin players in Ireland’s international rules travelling party, which leaves for Australia in just over two weeks. This would be the first time that All-Ireland champions have been unrepresented in the 33-year history of the series.

Dermot Earley, who is one of manager Joe Kernan’s selectors, revealed the prospect at a press conference in DCU on Thursday.

“There haven’t been any (Dublin players) in training. We’ve asked a lot of the Dublin squad to come in but just because of injuries, club commitments, guys just wanting to take a break, I don’t think there will be any Dublin representation on this but again, that’s for Joe to announce.”

Jim Gavin’s panel have been involved in county championship matches since the All-Ireland final in September and although just the Dublin final remains, a number of high-profile players are still involved with their clubs whereas others have work commitments.

Dublin GAA putting Dublin GAA ahead of everything else! Shocker!
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: tonto1888 on October 20, 2017, 09:17:09 AM
disappointing if no Dubs play. I understand the guys in the county final not playing but why would the others not want to represent their country
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Captain Obvious on October 20, 2017, 09:26:03 AM
disappointing if no Dubs play. I understand the guys in the county final not playing but why would the others not want to represent their country
Between now and January 27th is their rest period. 
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: tonto1888 on October 20, 2017, 09:29:30 AM
disappointing if no Dubs play. I understand the guys in the county final not playing but why would the others not want to represent their country
Between now and January 27th is their rest period.

the same for Mayo? Are there any Mayo players on the panel?
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Rossfan on October 20, 2017, 09:30:36 AM
Going to Oz might interfere with THE PROCESS ( or their free cars, meals etc....)
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Gael85 on October 20, 2017, 09:59:18 AM
disappointing if no Dubs play. I understand the guys in the county final not playing but why would the others not want to represent their country

Others players have league semi finals coming up so they will rule out majority of starting team from final
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: GetOverTheBar on October 20, 2017, 10:23:15 AM
There'll be tears in Tyrone when they see how good is Conor mc kenna.

We know.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Orchard park on October 20, 2017, 10:26:50 AM
disappointing if no Dubs play. I understand the guys in the county final not playing but why would the others not want to represent their country

some would prefer to spend 10 days annual leave on the team holiday than waste 10 days playing this bastardised game

some in county finals, some in league games, some nursing long term niggles which they take a few months off for every year to recuperate.

i dont think there would be any conspiracy theory as to why they arent taking part
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: magpie seanie on October 20, 2017, 11:13:14 AM
If there were 7 or 8 Dubs on it then there would be moaning that it's unfair on other counties that they can't get representatives on it. I understand (as has been the case in years past) that the trials for this squad have been taking place for some weeks now so anyone whose club was playing in the last 2 or 3 weeks would have had a problem.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: tonto1888 on October 20, 2017, 11:51:33 AM
disappointing if no Dubs play. I understand the guys in the county final not playing but why would the others not want to represent their country

some would prefer to spend 10 days annual leave on the team holiday than waste 10 days playing this bastardised game

some in county finals, some in league games, some nursing long term niggles which they take a few months off for every year to recuperate.

i dont think there would be any conspiracy theory as to why they arent taking part

I don't think theres a conspiracy. I understand about the championship and injuries, didn't realise the league was still ongoing there also
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: rodney trotter on October 20, 2017, 12:28:54 PM
disappointing if no Dubs play. I understand the guys in the county final not playing but why would the others not want to represent their country
Between now and January 27th is their rest period.

the same for Mayo? Are there any Mayo players on the panel?

Yes, Aidan O Shea anyway. He is due to be announced as captain.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: rosnarun on October 24, 2017, 05:38:21 PM
disappointing if no Dubs play. I understand the guys in the county final not playing but why would the others not want to represent their country
Between now and January 27th is their rest period.

the same for Mayo? Are there any Mayo players on the panel?

Yes, Aidan O Shea anyway. He is due to be announced as captain.
Chris Barrett and Brendan Harrison as well
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Cunny Funt on October 24, 2017, 05:46:34 PM
Another 7 Mayo players were asked but all said thanks but no thanks.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Rossfan on October 24, 2017, 06:10:01 PM
Ireland might win the Cup so.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Syferus on October 24, 2017, 06:20:21 PM
Would big Joe just get off his arse and announce the fecking team? It's beyond a parody at this stage.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: LooseCannon on October 24, 2017, 06:54:12 PM
Ruairí Allen has to be on it💚🏐💛
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Blowitupref on October 24, 2017, 07:21:19 PM
Another 7 Mayo players were asked but all said thanks but no thanks.
International rules is becoming more like the railway cup with the AI finalists for one reason or another opting out.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Kernan_is_King on October 24, 2017, 07:23:18 PM
Would big Joe just get off his arse and announce the fecking team? It's beyond a parody at this stage.

Great men do not hasten their deliberations on behalf of internet posters.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Horse Box on October 24, 2017, 10:33:39 PM
Conor Sweeney of Tipp is on the Panel and for me a definite starter 8) !
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Rossfan on October 24, 2017, 11:39:54 PM
Would big Joe just get off his arse and announce the fecking team? It's beyond a parody at this stage.

Great men do not hasten their deliberations on behalf of internet posters.
I imagine there's some kind of sponsored bash official announcement/launch to be held.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: magpie seanie on October 25, 2017, 12:04:49 AM
Yeah but it should be done by now....dogs in the street know most of it at this stage.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Rossfan on October 25, 2017, 12:09:04 AM
Indeed.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: rodney trotter on October 25, 2017, 02:12:51 PM
https://t.co/3f0WaXUdJJ
Ireland 2017 International Rules Squad

Niall Morgan (Edendork, Tyrone)

Chris Barrett (Belmullet, Mayo)

Gary Brennan (Clondegad, Clare)

Eoin Cadogan (Douglas, Cork)

Killian Clarke (Shercock, Cavan)

Peter Crowley (Laune Rangers, Kerry)

Kevin Feely (Athy, Kildare)

Paul Geaney (Dingle, Kerry)

Pearce Hanley (Gold Coast/Ballaghadereen, Mayo)

Brendan Harrison (Aghamore, Mayo)

Conor Mc Manus (Clontibret, Monaghan)

Michael Murphy (Glenswilly, Donegal)

Niall Murphy (Coolera/Strandhill, Sligo)

Paul Murphy (Rathmore, Kerry)

Karl O'Connell (Tyholland, Monaghan)

Aidan O'Shea (Breaffy, Mayo)

Niall Sludden (Dromore, Tyrone)

Enda Smith (Boyle, Roscommon)

Conor Sweeney (Ballyporeen, Tipperary)

Zach Tuohy (Geelong/Portlaoise, Laois)

Shane Walsh (Kilkerrin/Clonberne, Galway)

Stand By Players

Mattie Donnelly (Trillick, Tyrone)

Niall Grimley (Madden Raparees, Armagh)

Connaire Harrison (Glasdrumman, Down)

Caolan Mooney (Rostrevor, Down)

Sean Murphy (Fenagh, Carlow)

Brendan Murphy (Rathvilly, Carlow)

Sean Powter (Douglas, Cork)
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Syferus on October 25, 2017, 02:50:53 PM
Good to see two Rossies making the 21.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: rrhf on October 25, 2017, 02:56:00 PM
No Conor mc kenna?
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: AZOffaly on October 25, 2017, 02:58:18 PM
No Conor mc kenna?

Injured
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: GetOverTheBar on October 25, 2017, 02:59:51 PM
Two more to be confirmed in the coming days, presumably they are from the stand by pool?
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: magpie seanie on October 25, 2017, 03:16:12 PM
Delighted for our lad. Tremendous for him and his family and a massive honour for the club. Good luck Murf.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: nrico2006 on October 25, 2017, 03:25:16 PM
Bit of a shocker that Donnelly is only standby.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Syferus on October 25, 2017, 03:26:56 PM
Bit of a shocker that Donnelly is only standby.

Maybe in Tyrone. I’d have someone like Brendan Murphy ahead of him for this stuff and he’s only a reserve too.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Orchard park on October 25, 2017, 03:33:31 PM
Shane walsh wouldnt stand out as having the toughness needed at this bastardised spew
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: magpie seanie on October 25, 2017, 03:34:01 PM
Have we picked a lot of forwards?

Edit - actually looking at it there again it's fairly balanced.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: redhandefender on October 25, 2017, 03:39:10 PM
Bit of a shocker that Donnelly is only standby.

Maybe in Tyrone. I’d have someone like Brendan Murphy ahead of him for this stuff and he’s only a reserve too.

Mattie D > Enda Smith + Brendan Murphy at any sport
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: GetOverTheBar on October 25, 2017, 03:42:16 PM
Connaire Harrison would be an interesting watch v some of the Aussies if Ireland went down that route.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Syferus on October 25, 2017, 03:50:10 PM
Bit of a shocker that Donnelly is only standby.

Maybe in Tyrone. I’d have someone like Brendan Murphy ahead of him for this stuff and he’s only a reserve too.

Mattie D > Enda Smith + Brendan Murphy at any sport

Unless wee Mattie has grew five inches I’d safely say the answer is still no.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: the goal was on on October 25, 2017, 03:52:27 PM
few lads that would'nt be seen as the bravest on the panel. lets hope the aussies are a timid bunch this time!
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: magpie seanie on October 25, 2017, 03:55:21 PM
Bit of a shocker that Donnelly is only standby.

Maybe in Tyrone. I’d have someone like Brendan Murphy ahead of him for this stuff and he’s only a reserve too.

Mattie D > Enda Smith + Brendan Murphy at any sport

Unless wee Mattie has grew five inches I’d safely say the answer is still no.


He's 6 foot tall.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Syferus on October 25, 2017, 04:22:49 PM
Bit of a shocker that Donnelly is only standby.

Maybe in Tyrone. I’d have someone like Brendan Murphy ahead of him for this stuff and he’s only a reserve too.

Mattie D > Enda Smith + Brendan Murphy at any sport

Unless wee Mattie has grew five inches I’d safely say the answer is still no.


He's 6 foot tall.

Listed. Anyone listed at six foot is nearly sure to be under the mark in reality. I’ve see him play in person and if he’s breaking 5’10 he’s doing well.

To suggest height isn’t a big advantage in Aussie Rules given the mark system would be mad imho.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Orchard park on October 25, 2017, 04:24:50 PM
Bit of a shocker that Donnelly is only standby.

Maybe in Tyrone. I’d have someone like Brendan Murphy ahead of him for this stuff and he’s only a reserve too.

Mattie D > Enda Smith + Brendan Murphy at any sport

Unless wee Mattie has grew five inches I’d safely say the answer is still no.

mixing up Mark Bradley and Mattie Donnelly ????
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: magpie seanie on October 25, 2017, 04:29:56 PM
It is ok to admit you're wrong once in a while.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Syferus on October 25, 2017, 04:31:19 PM
It is ok to admit you're wrong once in a while.

I checked his listed height before you even posted once.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Mike Tyson on October 25, 2017, 05:14:29 PM
Bit of a shocker that Donnelly is only standby.

Maybe in Tyrone. I’d have someone like Brendan Murphy ahead of him for this stuff and he’s only a reserve too.

Mattie D > Enda Smith + Brendan Murphy at any sport

Unless wee Mattie has grew five inches I’d safely say the answer is still no.

Was he not one of Ireland’s best players last time out there?
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: mrhardyannual on October 25, 2017, 05:23:15 PM
Good to see two Rossies making the 21.
And four Mayomen  ;D
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Syferus on October 25, 2017, 05:25:28 PM
Bit of a shocker that Donnelly is only standby.

Maybe in Tyrone. I’d have someone like Brendan Murphy ahead of him for this stuff and he’s only a reserve too.

Mattie D > Enda Smith + Brendan Murphy at any sport

Unless wee Mattie has grew five inches I’d safely say the answer is still no.

Was he not one of Ireland’s best players last time out there?


Out there? That's a good few years back.

I think he's a class gaelic footballer but obviously Joe thinks he has deficiencies when it comes to Aussie Rules too. This is very much a kick and catch sport so give me tall lads who can play ball and play the percentages.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: skeog on October 25, 2017, 05:58:32 PM
Matty is over in New York collecting dollars for the cause of Tyrone football at the moment.He will be back in time for the trip he is well able for all this foreign travel.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: mrhardyannual on October 25, 2017, 06:14:23 PM


Listed. Anyone listed at six foot is nearly sure to be under the mark in reality. I’ve see him play in person and if he’s breaking 5’10 he’s doing well.

To suggest height isn’t a big advantage in Aussie Rules given the mark system would be mad imho.
So when Chris Barrett declare that he's 5' 10" ???? Put Mattie on the plane. Free the "Trillick 1"
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Syferus on October 25, 2017, 06:34:24 PM


Listed. Anyone listed at six foot is nearly sure to be under the mark in reality. I’ve see him play in person and if he’s breaking 5’10 he’s doing well.

To suggest height isn’t a big advantage in Aussie Rules given the mark system would be mad imho.
So when Chris Barrett declare that he's 5' 10" ???? Put Mattie on the plane. Free the "Trillick 1"

Eh? Chris Barrett is suddenly a forward?
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: blewuporstuffed on October 25, 2017, 07:06:17 PM


Listed. Anyone listed at six foot is nearly sure to be under the mark in reality. I’ve see him play in person and if he’s breaking 5’10 he’s doing well.

To suggest height isn’t a big advantage in Aussie Rules given the mark system would be mad imho.
So when Chris Barrett declare that he's 5' 10" ???? Put Mattie on the plane. Free the "Trillick 1"

Eh? Chris Barrett is suddenly a forward?
So height is only an advantage for the forwards?  ???
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Syferus on October 25, 2017, 07:11:59 PM


Listed. Anyone listed at six foot is nearly sure to be under the mark in reality. I’ve see him play in person and if he’s breaking 5’10 he’s doing well.

To suggest height isn’t a big advantage in Aussie Rules given the mark system would be mad imho.
So when Chris Barrett declare that he's 5' 10" ???? Put Mattie on the plane. Free the "Trillick 1"

Eh? Chris Barrett is suddenly a forward?
So height is only an advantage for the forwards?  ???

Show me the reams of 6'3+ players he was competing with for a place. Donnelly generally plays around the middle, HF naturally but at times named at MF, for what little that's worth. So he's up against AOS, Smith, Murphy, Tuohy, Sweeney, Geaney etc. for a spot in a sport where you can call a mark from anywhere if you field the ball. He might make the final two still but to suggest an injustice is a bit much in that context.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: LooseCannon on October 25, 2017, 07:44:09 PM
Ruairí Allen from Offaly is an unreal, physically strong player. Should be on it. He’s sub 6 foot, but he caught kickouts above Gearóid McKiernan’s head in the qualifiers. McKiernan is 6ft 5”
Technically very good as well.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Rossfan on October 25, 2017, 07:49:54 PM
Syfīn, arent chest high catches awarded with marks in the Intl game unlike in Aussie Rules where it has to be over your head??
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: nrico2006 on October 26, 2017, 08:35:21 AM
As usual politics are at play here too.  This game isn't one where the majority of the game is contesting high balls, Donnelly's all round game is why he should be in ahead of others.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Syferus on October 26, 2017, 09:28:29 AM
As usual politics are at play here too. This game isn't one where the majority of the game is contesting high balls, Donnelly's all round game is why he should be in ahead of others.

No sense of irony so?
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: trueblue1234 on October 26, 2017, 09:43:45 AM
It is ok to admit you're wrong once in a while.

I wouldn't hold my breath. He has form for refusing to accept he made a mistake even when shown up. In his world, if he thinks it, it must be so, regardless of anything else.   
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Rossfan on October 26, 2017, 09:55:45 AM
Sean Powter of Cork and Niall Grimley of Armagh added to squad.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: tonto1888 on October 26, 2017, 09:56:40 AM
Sean Powter of Cork and Niall Grimley of Armagh added to squad.

delighted for Grimley
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Orchard park on October 26, 2017, 10:03:17 AM
delighted for powter who was the one shining light for a dismal cork team
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Syferus on October 26, 2017, 10:07:12 AM
It is ok to admit you're wrong once in a while.

I wouldn't hold my breath. He has form for refusing to accept he made a mistake even when shown up. In his world, if he thinks it, it must be so, regardless of anything else.   

..and yet Donnelly wasn’t even added at the second chance. What was that about refusing to apologise, trueblue? You’re going to now, surely?
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: mrhardyannual on October 26, 2017, 11:25:10 AM
It is ok to admit you're wrong once in a while.

I wouldn't hold my breath. He has form for refusing to accept he made a mistake even when shown up. In his world, if he thinks it, it must be so, regardless of anything else.   

..and yet Donnelly wasn’t even added at the second chance. What was that about refusing to apologise, trueblue? You’re going to now, surely?
Not sure who's winning which argument when the 6ft claiming Mattie is overlooked (read pun or irony if required) by Sean Powter a 5' 8" claiming forward.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: trueblue1234 on October 26, 2017, 11:44:05 AM
It is ok to admit you're wrong once in a while.

I wouldn't hold my breath. He has form for refusing to accept he made a mistake even when shown up. In his world, if he thinks it, it must be so, regardless of anything else.   

..and yet Donnelly wasn’t even added at the second chance. What was that about refusing to apologise, trueblue? You’re going to now, surely?

Why would I apologise? You were wrong about mattie's height. He's 6ft. Seanie even quoted the listed height. But in your world we should accept your version. You live in a bubble. You have no ability to accept when you made a mistake. You did it before on this forum. And instead of saying "oh right, my mistake" You just cling to your version regardless.
 

Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Syferus on October 26, 2017, 11:46:06 AM
It is ok to admit you're wrong once in a while.

I wouldn't hold my breath. He has form for refusing to accept he made a mistake even when shown up. In his world, if he thinks it, it must be so, regardless of anything else.   

..and yet Donnelly wasn’t even added at the second chance. What was that about refusing to apologise, trueblue? You’re going to now, surely?

Why would I apologise? You were wrong about mattie's height. He's 6ft. Seanie even quoted the listed height. But in your world we should accept your version. You live in a bubble. You have no ability to accept when you made a mistake. You did it before on this forum. And instead of saying "oh right, my mistake" You just cling to your version regardless.

Not a great apology.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: trueblue1234 on October 26, 2017, 11:51:25 AM
It is ok to admit you're wrong once in a while.

I wouldn't hold my breath. He has form for refusing to accept he made a mistake even when shown up. In his world, if he thinks it, it must be so, regardless of anything else.   

..and yet Donnelly wasn’t even added at the second chance. What was that about refusing to apologise, trueblue? You’re going to now, surely?

Why would I apologise? You were wrong about mattie's height. He's 6ft. Seanie even quoted the listed height. But in your world we should accept your version. You live in a bubble. You have no ability to accept when you made a mistake. You did it before on this forum. And instead of saying "oh right, my mistake" You just cling to your version regardless.

Not a great apology.

No apology needed when highlighting your inability to accept that you were wrong. In fact it's fun to watch you try to do written gymnastics to somehow still accept your version as correct.   
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Syferus on October 26, 2017, 12:04:52 PM
It is ok to admit you're wrong once in a while.

I wouldn't hold my breath. He has form for refusing to accept he made a mistake even when shown up. In his world, if he thinks it, it must be so, regardless of anything else.   

..and yet Donnelly wasn’t even added at the second chance. What was that about refusing to apologise, trueblue? You’re going to now, surely?
Not sure who's winning which argument when the 6ft claiming Mattie is overlooked (read pun or irony if required) by Sean Powter a 5' 8" claiming forward.

I’ve figured out your error.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: redhandefender on October 26, 2017, 12:42:49 PM
It is ok to admit you're wrong once in a while.

I wouldn't hold my breath. He has form for refusing to accept he made a mistake even when shown up. In his world, if he thinks it, it must be so, regardless of anything else.   

..and yet Donnelly wasn’t even added at the second chance. What was that about refusing to apologise, trueblue? You’re going to now, surely?
Not sure who's winning which argument when the 6ft claiming Mattie is overlooked (read pun or irony if required) by Sean Powter a 5' 8" claiming forward.

I’ve figured out your error.

What an idiot, Donnelly is 6 foot
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: sligoman2 on October 26, 2017, 12:46:41 PM
Great to see Niall Murphy on the panel.  Strong lad with great accuracy.  He also did a very good job on the county final commentary Shown on YouTube. 

You should be very proud of him Seanie.  Personally I think and hope he will be captain of Sligo this year...
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: magpie seanie on October 26, 2017, 12:54:44 PM
Great to see Niall Murphy on the panel.  Strong lad with great accuracy.  He also did a very good job on the county final commentary Shown on YouTube. 

You should be very proud of him Seanie.  Personally I think and hope he will be captain of Sligo this year...


We are very proud of him. A couple of lads pricing flights and hoping to go over to support. There was talk about him since he was 9 or 10 in the club and it's been great to see him develop over the years. Not sure we've had a Sligo captain since the 1930's or so (open to correction) so that would be tremendous also.

I heard him commentating on Harps/Marys and he seems to have done a great job on the county final too. Personally I hope he's playing in it more than commentating on it at least in the next 5-10 years!
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Syferus on October 26, 2017, 01:02:32 PM
Great to see Niall Murphy on the panel.  Strong lad with great accuracy.  He also did a very good job on the county final commentary Shown on YouTube. 

You should be very proud of him Seanie.  Personally I think and hope he will be captain of Sligo this year...

Murphy is a class player.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: highorlow on October 26, 2017, 02:42:17 PM
https://twitter.com/owen_mulligan?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor


 :) :) :)
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Wildweasel74 on October 26, 2017, 08:17:58 PM
Donnelly 6ft but wasn't overly;y impressive this year ad was no-where to be seen against Dublin, the real problem against the aussies is he lack the pace required, in a way abit like A`O`Shea but hes nearly a 6ft 5in monster under the high ball, Donnelly aint
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Captain Obvious on October 26, 2017, 10:00:40 PM
Here’s the Ireland squad in full:

Goalkeeper (1)

Niall Morgan (Tyrone)

Defenders (9)

Chris Barrett (Mayo)
Eoin Cadogan (Cork)
Killian Clarke (Cavan)
Peter Crowley (Kerry)
Brendan Harrison (Mayo)
Paul Murphy (Kerry)
Karl O’Connell (Monaghan)
Zach Tuohy (Laois)
Sean Powter (Cork)

Midfielders (6)

Kevin Feely (Kildare)
Pearce Hanley (Gold Coast/Mayo)
Michael Murphy* (Donegal)
Aidan O’Shea* Mayo)
Enda Smith* (Roscommon)
Gary Brennan (Clare)

Forwards (7)

Paul Geaney (Kerry)
Conor Mc Manus (Monaghan)
Niall Murphy (Sligo)
Conor Sweeney (Tipperary)
Shane Walsh (Galway)
Niall Sludden (Tyrone)
Niall Grimley (Armagh)

*Could also play in attack




List of the 2017 All Star nominations not named on the panel for one reason or another

Stephen Cluxton ,Jack McCaffrey, Cian O’Sullivan, Michael Fitzsimons, Philip McMahon, John Small, Jonny Cooper,James McCarthy, Brian Fenton ,Ciarán Kilkenny, Con O’Callaghan, Paul Mannion, Dean Rock (Dublin)

David Clarke,Keith Higgins, Lee Keegan, Colm Boyle,Tom Parsons,Andy Moran,Kevin McLoughlin, Jason Doherty, Cillian O’Connor (Mayo)

Tadhg Morley,Kieran Donaghy, James O’Donoghue (Kerry)
 
Pádraig Hampsey, Tiernan McCann,Colm Cavanagh,Peter Harte, (Tyrone)

Caolan Mooney,Connaire Harrison (Down)

Patrick McBrearty (Donegal), Jamie Clarke (Armagh), Daniel Flynn (Kildare) Conor Devanney (Roscommon), Fintan Kelly (Monaghan).
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: longballin on October 26, 2017, 10:04:30 PM
Dublin players have their priorities right. Contrived nonsense this...
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Rossfan on October 26, 2017, 10:09:31 PM
There's always 1......
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Throw ball on October 26, 2017, 11:25:00 PM
Further to the Mattie Donnelly discussion. A good Gaelic footballer I thought he had a poor game the last time he played. Maybe the game doesn't suit him and Big Joe sees that.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: mrhardyannual on October 27, 2017, 12:19:37 AM
It is ok to admit you're wrong once in a while.

I wouldn't hold my breath. He has form for refusing to accept he made a mistake even when shown up. In his world, if he thinks it, it must be so, regardless of anything else.   

..and yet Donnelly wasn’t even added at the second chance. What was that about refusing to apologise, trueblue? You’re going to now, surely?
Not sure who's winning which argument when the 6ft claiming Mattie is overlooked (read pun or irony if required) by Sean Powter a 5' 8" claiming forward.

I’ve figured out your error.
http://www.gaacork.ie/playerProfile/7378/sean_powter
Not my error (and I would own up to one if I made one). Cork GAA site profiles Powter as a forward which is where he played in the U-21s v Mayo
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Syferus on October 27, 2017, 02:33:21 AM
It is ok to admit you're wrong once in a while.

I wouldn't hold my breath. He has form for refusing to accept he made a mistake even when shown up. In his world, if he thinks it, it must be so, regardless of anything else.   

..and yet Donnelly wasn’t even added at the second chance. What was that about refusing to apologise, trueblue? You’re going to now, surely?
Not sure who's winning which argument when the 6ft claiming Mattie is overlooked (read pun or irony if required) by Sean Powter a 5' 8" claiming forward.

I’ve figured out your error.
http://www.gaacork.ie/playerProfile/7378/sean_powter
Not my error (and I would own up to one if I made one). Cork GAA site profiles Powter as a forward which is where he played in the U-21s v Mayo

Given he played as a back for the seniors and is being treated as one for the international rules, it isn’t me that’s clutching at straws here.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: omochain on October 27, 2017, 04:15:07 AM
Great to see young Grimley make the panel. He has improved exponentially over the last two years. I hope the upward trajectory continues. Armagh need it badly.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: TabClear on October 27, 2017, 11:24:29 AM
Here’s the Ireland squad in full:

Goalkeeper (1)

Niall Morgan (Tyrone)

Defenders (9)

Chris Barrett (Mayo)
Eoin Cadogan (Cork)
Killian Clarke (Cavan)
Peter Crowley (Kerry)
Brendan Harrison (Mayo)
Paul Murphy (Kerry)
Karl O’Connell (Monaghan)
Zach Tuohy (Laois)
Sean Powter (Cork)

Midfielders (6)

Kevin Feely (Kildare)
Pearce Hanley (Gold Coast/Mayo)
Michael Murphy* (Donegal)
Aidan O’Shea* Mayo)
Enda Smith* (Roscommon)
Gary Brennan (Clare)

Forwards (7)

Paul Geaney (Kerry)
Conor Mc Manus (Monaghan)
Niall Murphy (Sligo)
Conor Sweeney (Tipperary)
Shane Walsh (Galway)
Niall Sludden (Tyrone)
Niall Grimley (Armagh)

*Could also play in attack


You might be giving the Laois men  false hope there on Zach Tuohy by omitting his Geelong allegiance! He was outstanding for them this year.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: JoG2 on October 27, 2017, 01:53:42 PM
Here’s the Ireland squad in full:

Goalkeeper (1)

Niall Morgan (Tyrone)

Defenders (9)

Chris Barrett (Mayo)
Eoin Cadogan (Cork)
Killian Clarke (Cavan)
Peter Crowley (Kerry)
Brendan Harrison (Mayo)
Paul Murphy (Kerry)
Karl O’Connell (Monaghan)
Zach Tuohy (Laois)
Sean Powter (Cork)

Midfielders (6)

Kevin Feely (Kildare)
Pearce Hanley (Gold Coast/Mayo)
Michael Murphy* (Donegal)
Aidan O’Shea* Mayo)
Enda Smith* (Roscommon)
Gary Brennan (Clare)

Forwards (7)

Paul Geaney (Kerry)
Conor Mc Manus (Monaghan)
Niall Murphy (Sligo)
Conor Sweeney (Tipperary)
Shane Walsh (Galway)
Niall Sludden (Tyrone)
Niall Grimley (Armagh)

*Could also play in attack




List of the 2017 All Star nominations not named on the panel for one reason or another

Stephen Cluxton ,Jack McCaffrey, Cian O’Sullivan, Michael Fitzsimons, Philip McMahon, John Small, Jonny Cooper,James McCarthy, Brian Fenton ,Ciarán Kilkenny, Con O’Callaghan, Paul Mannion, Dean Rock (Dublin)

David Clarke,Keith Higgins, Lee Keegan, Colm Boyle,Tom Parsons,Andy Moran,Kevin McLoughlin, Jason Doherty, Cillian O’Connor (Mayo)

Tadhg Morley,Kieran Donaghy, James O’Donoghue (Kerry)
 
Pádraig Hampsey, Tiernan McCann,Colm Cavanagh,Peter Harte, (Tyrone)

Caolan Mooney,Connaire Harrison (Down)

Patrick McBrearty (Donegal), Jamie Clarke (Armagh), Daniel Flynn (Kildare) Conor Devanney (Roscommon), Fintan Kelly (Monaghan).

I enjoy the compromised rules, but delighted the Derry men are being held back for the Div 3 campaign
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: JoG2 on November 07, 2017, 04:54:05 PM
The 1st test is on between 5am and 7am on rte 2. Surely to buck they could have played it earlier or later in Australia to accommodate the Irish viewers, and not slap bang in the middle of night?
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: magpie seanie on November 07, 2017, 04:57:06 PM
Yeah, not fantastic. I'll be watching though. at least at that time of the day my TV might be free!
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: From the Bunker on November 07, 2017, 06:25:43 PM
The 1st test is on between 5am and 7am on rte 2. Surely to buck they could have played it earlier or later in Australia to accommodate the Irish viewers, and not slap bang in the middle of night?

Great - was afraid it would collide with ''Murder she Wrote'' on ITV3 on Sunday. Plan to go for a few pints Saturday night, come home late at about 2am and get a good night sleep - getting up at about 10am.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Maroon Manc on November 10, 2017, 09:55:46 AM
The 1st test is on between 5am and 7am on rte 2. Surely to buck they could have played it earlier or later in Australia to accommodate the Irish viewers, and not slap bang in the middle of night?

I wouldn't be hugely interested in the series but for the GAA to agree to that time is comical or perhaps its their way of phasing it out when quoting poor viewing figures next time round.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Syferus on November 10, 2017, 12:40:36 PM
The 1st test is on between 5am and 7am on rte 2. Surely to buck they could have played it earlier or later in Australia to accommodate the Irish viewers, and not slap bang in the middle of night?

I wouldn't be hugely interested in the series but for the GAA to agree to that time is comical or perhaps its their way of phasing it out when quoting poor viewing figures next time round.

Can we stop trying to will this into being the new Railway Cup? Attendances, when promoted properly and with a good percentage of the best of each sport playing, have always been pretty good.

The Irish fascination with negativity knows no bounds. It probably extends even to some delegate circles who should know better.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: lurganblue on November 10, 2017, 02:54:51 PM
Read that the Irish squad have got a dose of the sh*ts
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Therealdonald on November 10, 2017, 04:10:49 PM
The 1st test is on between 5am and 7am on rte 2. Surely to buck they could have played it earlier or later in Australia to accommodate the Irish viewers, and not slap bang in the middle of night?

I wouldn't be hugely interested in the series but for the GAA to agree to that time is comical or perhaps its their way of phasing it out when quoting poor viewing figures next time round.

Can we stop trying to will this into being the new Railway Cup? Attendances, when promoted properly and with a good percentage of the best of each sport playing, have always been pretty good.

It was whenever the authorities cut out all the shlapping that it lost its verve. Adults loved watching it then. Now its a day out for youth teams (and a good day out at that for kids). But it lost its lustre for me when they phased out good cutting matches like Canavan v Akermanis, Barry Hall v Anthony Lynch, McGeeney v The whole of Australia (and winning) and finally Geraghty v The whole of Australia(and losing....horribly)

The Irish fascination with negativity knows no bounds. It probably extends even to some delegate circles who should know better.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: the goal was on on November 10, 2017, 08:41:59 PM
the fact the aussies had first training session today tells you all you need to know whilst irish lads been at it past 3months most weekends.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Syferus on November 10, 2017, 11:32:46 PM
the fact the aussies had first training session today tells you all you need to know whilst irish lads been at it past 3months most weekends.

What?
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: longballin on November 11, 2017, 12:05:20 AM
the fact the aussies had first training session today tells you all you need to know whilst irish lads been at it past 3months most weekends.

What?

they couldn't care less...
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Syferus on November 11, 2017, 12:06:33 AM
the fact the aussies had first training session today tells you all you need to know whilst irish lads been at it past 3months most weekends.

What?

they couldn't care less...

He said we'd been training for three months.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: armaghniac on November 11, 2017, 12:31:41 AM
Not like the good old days
https://www.rte.ie/archives/category/sports/2017/1108/918459-australia-win-final-test/
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Aaron Boone on November 11, 2017, 01:22:02 PM
the fact the aussies had first training session today tells you all you need to know whilst irish lads been at it past 3months most weekends.

Australia are favorites for tomorrow, so maybe they are well-prepared.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Farrandeelin on November 12, 2017, 05:10:11 AM
Looking forward to listening to Marty Morrissey telling us where the Irish players are from throughout the game.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Captain Obvious on November 12, 2017, 05:38:54 AM
Australia 14 Ireland 24 latest score. M Murphy with a goal at the start of the 2nd quarter, left totally unmarked. A mildly entertaining contest, the physicality that was talked about before the game hasn't been seen yet. The 34c heat will probably catch up with the Irish lads eventually.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: joemamas on November 12, 2017, 05:47:52 AM
Looking forward to listening to Marty Morrissey telling us where the Irish players are from throughout the game.

You know the dose will link at least three Aussies to the banner, " the banner county, that great county of Clare west of the river Shannon "
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Captain Obvious on November 12, 2017, 05:53:55 AM
Australia 28 Ireland 27 at half time. If you don't count the wides (behinds) its Australia 0-7 Ireland 1-6.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: mrhardyannual on November 12, 2017, 06:08:03 AM
We got seriously steamrolled in the last 10 mins of the half. Basics of the game were very poor  .... poor passing, poor handling, poor catching and poor kicking. Next quarter is vital.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: mrhardyannual on November 12, 2017, 06:19:24 AM
Good Aussie goal.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Captain Obvious on November 12, 2017, 06:19:32 AM
Great goal by the best player on show Fyfe, Irish in trouble now.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: cavanmaniac on November 12, 2017, 06:28:33 AM
Seems to be following the pattern of most tests most years, we're being equalled if not outperformed with the round ball by players who did not pick one up until two days ago. Of course fitness and familiarity with the tackle and winning aerial duels in forests of players are all big factors (aussies score most from marks close to goal) but Gaelic football's handpassing fetish really exposes us here.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: mrhardyannual on November 12, 2017, 06:32:17 AM
Some players are being badly exposed. The type of ball being played is disastrous.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Captain Obvious on November 12, 2017, 06:33:24 AM
The Aussies had the Irish chasing shadows in that quarter leading 50-35 now could and should be more.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: rrhf on November 12, 2017, 06:54:28 AM
Looking forward to listening to Marty Morrissey telling us where the Irish players are from throughout the game.

You know the dose will link at least three Aussies to the banner, " the banner county, that great county of Clare west of the river Shannon "
Zac tuohy wierd freetaker
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Farrandeelin on November 12, 2017, 06:55:01 AM
Well deserved 10 point win for Australia.

Looking forward to listening to Marty Morrissey telling us where the Irish players are from throughout the game.

You know the dose will link at least three Aussies to the banner, " the banner county, that great county of Clare west of the river Shannon "
Zac tuohy wierd freetaker

He did it as a minor for Laois though. Marty must have been trawling through the archives.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Captain Obvious on November 12, 2017, 06:55:23 AM
All over Australia 63 Ireland 53. The winners able to do all the basic of the game so much better and their kick passing the most impressive feature of their play.  Conor McManus and Murphy good for Ireland the rest average to poor.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: mrhardyannual on November 12, 2017, 06:56:36 AM
Looking forward to listening to Marty Morrissey telling us where the Irish players are from throughout the game.

You know the dose will link at least three Aussies to the banner, " the banner county, that great county of Clare west of the river Shannon "
Zac tuohy wierd freetaker
Crazy. Three points spurned. We seemed devoid of tactics.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: cavanmaniac on November 12, 2017, 07:01:11 AM
Our lads didn't give up and despite being very inferior overall only a sloppy 4th quarter goal prevented us from going into the second test just 4 behind. Looked to me like maybe the Aussies went easy on us in the final quarter and we won a tonne more possession around the middle but tended not to make it count on the scoreboard - Tuohy on that 45 was ridiculous. Anyway at least it's not totally dead the second game might be a laugh but there's no way Ireland will beat Australia by 10+ next week based on that showing.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: sligoman2 on November 12, 2017, 07:08:33 AM
Very lucky to be only down by 10, we need more goals - smith and Murphy should be back for next week which gives us more options.

We should be more used to the heat next week, I still give us a great chance..
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: cavanmaniac on November 12, 2017, 07:11:33 AM
Really enjoyed watching big Fyfe as well. Loyalties aside there's always one or two aussies that you have to take your hat off to. What a beast. Little Betts won a few balls he looked second best for and their goalie did well too.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: rrhf on November 12, 2017, 07:17:45 AM
Mc manus and Murphy were class. Aidan O Se had difficulty getting into the game after he got the slap early on. If we could fly in Connolly Harte Donnelly  o Callaghan and Colm cab for next week we will win this!!
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: tonto1888 on November 12, 2017, 07:28:17 AM
Seems to be following the pattern of most tests most years, we're being equalled if not outperformed with the round ball by players who did not pick one up until two days ago. Of course fitness and familiarity with the tackle and winning aerial duels in forests of players are all big factors (aussies score most from marks close to goal) but Gaelic football's handpassing fetish really exposes us here.

They hand passed a lot more than us.

The buy Fyfe was superb
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Rossfan on November 12, 2017, 09:44:54 AM
Decades of throwball coming home to roost.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Avondhu star on November 12, 2017, 09:48:31 AM
It's just a junket for lads who imagine themselves as professionals but in real terms play around ten inter county games a year
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: skeog on November 12, 2017, 10:04:40 AM
So what if its a junket good for people who entertain us most of the year.Begrudgery in Ireland at its best knocking the efforts of wonderful ambassadors,watched 90 mins of tripe from your so called professionals in Copenhagen give me MM CMCM etc any day of the week.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: rrhf on November 12, 2017, 10:58:33 AM
Yes harmless and enjoyable. Fair play to them
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: thejuice on November 12, 2017, 11:16:03 AM
Didn’t get to see it but was there much in the way of tackling and physicality. How did our lads hold up on that regard. The few highlights I saw looked just like a normal Gaelic match.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: mrdeeds on November 12, 2017, 11:19:48 AM
Referee was counting handpasses. Are only a certain amount allowed. Some physicality. Couple late hits. Murphy well able for it.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Farrandeelin on November 12, 2017, 11:23:51 AM
Referee was counting handpasses. Are only a certain amount allowed. Some physicality. Couple late hits. Murphy well able for it.

Yep 6 allowed, got to kick then.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: mrdeeds on November 12, 2017, 11:32:30 AM
Just watching it now. Decent game. Some great diagonal kick passing. A novelty.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Throw ball on November 12, 2017, 11:54:11 AM
Don't understand all the talk about getting used to the round ball. The biggest influences in the game are the tackle and Mark which are straight from Aussie Rules. Even when Ireland tried to tackle - Clarke - they got penalised for doing it wrong. In saying all that Conor McManus is some footballer.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: CJ2017 on November 12, 2017, 12:20:00 PM
AFL star Eddie Betts played Gaelic 7's during the week to prepare

https://indaily.com.au/sport/football/2017/11/10/eddie-gets-back-gaelic-grassroots/
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: BennyCake on November 12, 2017, 12:23:18 PM
That Fyfe fella had hands on him like a bunch of bananas.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: DUBSFORSAM1 on November 12, 2017, 12:29:49 PM
About as tactically inept a performance as you could get. Who decided letting the Aussie have to extra players around the middle by having our two full forwards deep without tracking defenders as they pushed up to the middle and forced us back.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: SHEEDY on November 12, 2017, 01:05:05 PM
About as tactically inept a performance as you could get. Who decided letting the Aussie have to extra players around the middle by having our two full forwards deep without tracking defenders as they pushed up to the middle and forced us back.
thought the same, tactically inept and some players lacking in basic skills. some of the kick passing was woeful and the aussies gave us a lesson in high fielding. only connor mcmanus and michael murphy came out of it with any credit, especially mcmanus who scored some excellent long range overs.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: From the Bunker on November 12, 2017, 02:13:21 PM
So what if its a junket good for people who entertain us most of the year.Begrudgery in Ireland at its best knocking the efforts of wonderful ambassadors,watched 90 mins of tripe from your so called professionals in Copenhagen give me MM CMCM etc any day of the week.

 ::)
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Ciarrai_thuaidh on November 12, 2017, 04:50:42 PM
Overall a decent enough watch, but largely poor stuff by Ireland. Cadogan, Clarke, Karl O'Connell, Shane Walsh were all shocking. The likes of Geaney could've been involved more. Crazy "tactics" by Ireland and some poor distribution at times.
No wonder there's rumours of McManus being on AFL radar..some outrageous kicks by him. J

Just think the squad picked was very strange and the tactics even stranger still..we should be getting 4/5 goals every time against them. Instead they looked superior tactically AND better at controlling the ball. Few Irish lads not able for the phyiscality either. Could and should have picked a few "craftier" players for it.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: armaghniac on November 12, 2017, 04:53:23 PM
Overall a decent enough watch, but largely poor stuff by Ireland. Cadogan, Clarke, Karl O'Connell, Shane Walsh were all shocking. The likes of Geaney could've been involved more. Crazy "tactics" by Ireland and some poor distribution at times.
No wonder there's rumours of McManus being on AFL radar..some outrageous kicks by him. J

Just think the squad picked was very strange and the tactics even stranger still..we should be getting 4/5 goals every time against them. Instead they looked superior tactically AND better at controlling the ball. Few Irish lads not able for the phyiscality either. Could and should have picked a few "craftier" players for it.

Is there a big range of "craftier" players who were available and who were not picked?
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Cunny Funt on November 12, 2017, 05:53:59 PM
Decades of throwball coming home to roost.
I talked about it before that "modern" inter county football has become more and more low risk and the basics such as kicking and fielding the ball has suffered.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: mrdeeds on November 12, 2017, 06:33:32 PM
Decades of throwball coming home to roost.
I talked about it before that "modern" inter county football has become more and more low risk and the basics such as kicking and fielding the ball has suffered.

Nothing wrong with handpassing if done with quick hands. Aussies miles ahead on that.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Rossfan on November 12, 2017, 07:32:21 PM
Occasional throws in the middle of much kicking of the FOOTball might be ok but when it's 20 throws to every kick.......
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: rrhf on November 12, 2017, 08:12:34 PM
I felt the Ulster men propped up that entire team today.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Gold on November 12, 2017, 08:15:32 PM
Decades of throwball coming home to roost.
I talked about it before that "modern" inter county football has become more and more low risk and the basics such as kicking and fielding the ball has suffered.

Nothing wrong with handpassing if done with quick hands. Aussies miles ahead on that.

Totally agree

McManus immense

Kick the ball in ffs!
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on November 12, 2017, 08:26:55 PM
I felt the Ulster men propped up that entire team today.

As usual.

46 of the 53 scored.

It was the same in the 2014 test as well with 33 of the 46 scored coming from Ulster players.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: JimStynes on November 12, 2017, 08:40:13 PM
Did Ireland's AFL players not show much?
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: armaghniac on November 12, 2017, 09:54:52 PM
Did Ireland's AFL players not show much?

Tuohy took a free near the end, which seemed rather odd and he got a behind instead of an over.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: BennyCake on November 12, 2017, 10:06:41 PM
Did Ireland's AFL players not show much?

Tuohy took a free near the end, which seemed rather odd and he got a behind instead of an over.

Was Murphy not on to kick that? McManus even. Or Morgan.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Ohtoohtobe on November 12, 2017, 10:19:32 PM
Got the tactics wrong in playing a blanket and allowing the Aussies to rack up hundreds of hand-passes. Need to put more pressure on them in their half to force them to kick it.
Aidan O'Shea played ok but wrecked my head with his constant theatrics. He could learn from the opposition in that regard.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: ballinaman on November 12, 2017, 10:34:10 PM
Karl O Connell was very poor. Poor finishing of goal chances cost Ireland.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Schkite on November 12, 2017, 10:47:39 PM
McManus and Murphy were excellent today whenever they got on the ball. You'd imagine they'll be closer watched next week though. Need others to step up in the scoring stakes, shocking overreliance on the 2 of them.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: MayoBuck on November 12, 2017, 10:50:34 PM
Shane Walsh is such a frustrating player to watch. So much ability but decision making and composure at times let him down.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Gold on November 12, 2017, 11:58:33 PM
Got the tactics wrong in playing a blanket and allowing the Aussies to rack up hundreds of hand-passes. Need to put more pressure on them in their half to force them to kick it.
Aidan O'Shea played ok but wrecked my head with his constant theatrics. He could learn from the opposition in that regard.

O Shea was like the screaming Harry Arter (who someone needs a word with btw). Needs to get on the ball and handpass it quick...his kicking isnt good enough and he cant run the ball into tackles in this sport

Walsh sloppy and slow on ball which you cant be as a jink doesnt mean you cant be rugby tackled.  Long ball works.

That 45 hit by Tuoghy was rank amateurism....points so important at that stage and it was like let him hit it coz he's closest to it. Murphy, mcManus or Morgan should have. Morgan played well btw
Murphy and McManus esp were unreal
That was it
Fyfe was lethal and his goal (if meant) was class. Keeper was v good as was Betts. V hard to change the GAA midset when passed the ball..these are all good players who'd usually have time on the ball but you dont in this sport. Handpass needs to go immediately...cannot deliberate on the ball for a second
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: cavanmaniac on November 13, 2017, 12:05:11 AM
Seems to be following the pattern of most tests most years, we're being equalled if not outperformed with the round ball by players who did not pick one up until two days ago. Of course fitness and familiarity with the tackle and winning aerial duels in forests of players are all big factors (aussies score most from marks close to goal) but Gaelic football's handpassing fetish really exposes us here.

They hand passed a lot more than us.

The buy Fyfe was superb

They did yes, but my point was that when they were forced to kick, they did so more accurately than us, particularly when picking out marks close to goal, from which most of their scores came. You can see how their game requires a much more judicious mix of hand and foot whereas ours is largely just lamentable throwball as someone else aptly termed it. Of course, we must also bear in mind that a 'good' kickpass in gaelic usually means a ball bouncing into the chest of the target player, in this game that's suicidal so it's another thing the Irish lads have to get their heads around under pressure, whereas it's part and parcel of the Aussie approach.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Maroon Manc on November 13, 2017, 10:53:26 AM
Shane Walsh is such a frustrating player to watch. So much ability but decision making and composure at times let him down.

Ability wise not to many players possess the skills he has but I agree his decision making does let him down although the biggest issue I have with him is the way he drifts out of games.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: From the Bunker on November 13, 2017, 11:11:00 AM
Ó Sé calls for end to 'bastardised game'
12 November 2017

Marc Ó Sé is a coach with CBS Tralee.

Marc Ó Sé has described the International Rules series as a 'bastardised game' that needs to be put out of its misery.

"I know that people say that one of the great positives the series provides the GAA is that it gave us the opportunity to represent our country - but I never felt like an international player," the former Kerry defender wrote in the Mail on Sunday ahead of this morning's first Test in Adelaide, which ended in a 10-point defeat for Ireland.

"It is not like representing your country at rugby and soccer, where you are playing your game in a global tournament which you know matters.

"We were playing a makey-up game two times a year and against the same opponents every time. That's not just a poor man's version of international sport, that's a desperate man's version."

With the Kerry SFC not starting until September next year because of the new inter-county championship structure, Ó Sé fears clubs will suffer most if the series continues.

"If the club is truly the pillar of the Association, then it should be in no way undermined for the benefit of a small number of elite players playing a bastardised game with a dodgy past and a non-existent future," he added.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: From the Bunker on November 13, 2017, 11:18:39 AM
So what if its a junket good for people who entertain us most of the year.Begrudgery in Ireland at its best knocking the efforts of wonderful ambassadors,watched 90 mins of tripe from your so called professionals in Copenhagen give me MM CMCM etc any day of the week.

A truly uneducated comment. You are putting on a pedestal a Mickey mouse game, that no player from Dublin our All Ireland Champions wanted to be involved in.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: JoG2 on November 13, 2017, 11:28:03 AM
Ó Sé calls for end to 'bastardised game'
12 November 2017

Marc Ó Sé is a coach with CBS Tralee.

Marc Ó Sé has described the International Rules series as a 'bastardised game' that needs to be put out of its misery.

"I know that people say that one of the great positives the series provides the GAA is that it gave us the opportunity to represent our country - but I never felt like an international player," the former Kerry defender wrote in the Mail on Sunday ahead of this morning's first Test in Adelaide, which ended in a 10-point defeat for Ireland.

"It is not like representing your country at rugby and soccer, where you are playing your game in a global tournament which you know matters.

"We were playing a makey-up game two times a year and against the same opponents every time. That's not just a poor man's version of international sport, that's a desperate man's version."

With the Kerry SFC not starting until September next year because of the new inter-county championship structure, Ó Sé fears clubs will suffer most if the series continues.

"If the club is truly the pillar of the Association, then it should be in no way undermined for the benefit of a small number of elite players playing a bastardised game with a dodgy past and a non-existent future," he added.

O'Se is writing for the Mail? Christ
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: heffo on November 13, 2017, 12:05:31 PM
If the international aspect is so important to the players, GAA brass and the journalists who continue to support this farce, you'd wonder why there were two men and a dog at the Shinty in Inverness last month, with one journalist and no GAA brass
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: haranguerer on November 13, 2017, 12:44:51 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: sligoman2 on November 13, 2017, 12:49:31 PM

"If the club is truly the pillar of the Association, then it should be in no way undermined for the benefit of a small number of elite players playing a bastardised game with a dodgy past and a non-existent future," he added.

Could someone explain to me how this interferes with clubs?  Some real old fashioned bull from O'Se.

No one forces the players to play, no one forces ye to watch. A lot of posters on here including myself enjoy it, for the rest of ye, just hit the channel + button and move on.

Fcuk the begrudges.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on November 13, 2017, 12:55:31 PM

"If the club is truly the pillar of the Association, then it should be in no way undermined for the benefit of a small number of elite players playing a bastardised game with a dodgy past and a non-existent future," he added.

Could someone explain to me how this interferes with clubs?  Some real old fashioned bull from O'Se.

No one forces the players to play, no one forces ye to watch. A lot of posters on here including myself enjoy it, for the rest of ye, just hit the channel + button and move on.

Fcuk the begrudges.

Agreed a lot of people like it so whats the problem its only once a year or even every other years so no big deal. Some people just like to moan
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: AZOffaly on November 13, 2017, 12:55:41 PM
This 'f**k the Begrudgers' stuff is starting to get on my tits. No matter what the subject is, if you voice any sort of disagreement, you are a begrudger. I've long ago given up watching this farce, but I understand and accept that others do, so be it. I'm not going to call them names for liking it.

f**k the begrudgers on Dublin
f**k the begrudgers on International Rules
f**k the begrudgers on Padraic Duffy
f**k the begrudgers on Martin O'Neill and his style of play
f**k the begrudgers on Conor McGregor
f**k the begrudgers on U2

ad infinitum

Jaysus it would wear you down. It would appear that all disagreement now is simply begrudgery. Do people actually know what 'begrudgery' is?
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: CJ2017 on November 13, 2017, 12:58:15 PM
I believe Marc O'Se appeared in the team for the infamous 2006 Series, not the best advertisement for the game.
the only time he appeared for the team was that year and it was in Ireland, correct me if wrong please

I wonder if he ever traveled to Australia with an IR team maybe his opinion would have changed.

(saw this on Marty's twitter)
Marty Morrissey‏
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At the Irish Club the Irish and Irish Australians are now putting on a great Show for the Irish Football Team ! This means so much to the Irish people in Adelaide.  The value of International Rules Football cannot be underestimated !!


By the way its forecast to rain on Saturday (morning) and the game is looking like its on its way to be sold out going by tickemaster website
http://www.ticketmaster.com.au/2017-virgin-australia-international-rules-series-subiaco-western-australia-18-11-2017/event/13005303F90485BE

Title: Re: International rules
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on November 13, 2017, 01:16:36 PM
Shane Walsh is such a frustrating player to watch. So much ability but decision making and composure at times let him down.

Ability wise not to many players possess the skills he has but I agree his decision making does let him down although the biggest issue I have with him is the way he drifts out of games.

As far as the pure skills of the game he might be the most talented player out there. In terms of kicking the ball, Soloing the ball, fetching the ball. Does it all fluently at pace with both feet.

Decision making is often what separates good players from great players though. Some players can acquire it through experience. Some have it from a very young age. Some just never get it. Shane still takes the wrong option too often. Shoots when he should pass and vice versa. Think he's 23 now so time for him to be making a step up if he's ever going to make it.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Hound on November 13, 2017, 01:29:35 PM
Shane Walsh is such a frustrating player to watch. So much ability but decision making and composure at times let him down.

Ability wise not to many players possess the skills he has but I agree his decision making does let him down although the biggest issue I have with him is the way he drifts out of games.

As far as the pure skills of the game he might be the most talented player out there. In terms of kicking the ball, Soloing the ball, fetching the ball. Does it all fluently at pace with both feet.

Decision making is often what separates good players from great players though. Some players can acquire it through experience. Some have it from a very young age. Some just never get it. Shane still takes the wrong option too often. Shoots when he should pass and vice versa. Think he's 23 now so time for him to be making a step up if he's ever going to make it.
I thought it was execution of skills when under pressure that let him down at the weekend, moreso than taking the wrong option.
Gotta stick with him though, hugely talented.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Rossfan on November 13, 2017, 01:30:35 PM
Begrudgers out in force today.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Avondhu star on November 13, 2017, 01:43:22 PM
Begrudgers out in force today.
Is it the purpose of the GAA to encourage the playing of the national games or to try and introduce a bastardised version of football?
There's a lot of clubs in Roscommon who could do with a share of the money the junket costs
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: CJ2017 on November 13, 2017, 02:12:00 PM
Can anyone identify this man at the International rules training in Oz this week?

https://www.sportsfile.com/id/1413424/

or this one
https://www.sportsfile.com/id/1413421/

https://www.sportsfile.com/id/1409981/

I think he is Darragh O'Se maybe? Is he the brother of Marc O'Se?




Title: Re: International rules
Post by: JoG2 on November 13, 2017, 02:21:16 PM
Begrudgers out in force today.
Is it the purpose of the GAA to encourage the playing of the national games or to try and introduce a bastardised version of football?
There's a lot of clubs in Roscommon who could do with a share of the money the junket costs

sure, put a motion in to half the wages of the GPA charlatans, that'll cover these clubs, and let the players have their well earned trip away to represent their country. Also, a fund raising committee organising events, getting players, members etc involved, white collar, strictly, lotto etc..you know, like every club in the country does.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Redhand Santa on November 13, 2017, 02:22:13 PM
Begrudgers out in force today.
Is it the purpose of the GAA to encourage the playing of the national games or to try and introduce a bastardised version of football?
There's a lot of clubs in Roscommon who could do with a share of the money the junket costs

Cost is another reason quite often thrown out as a reason to stop the series. Are you sure it actually costs money? When you consider ticket sales, sponsorship, jersey sales, tv rights etc I'd say it more than covers itself.

Like someone said earlier I'm not sure what impact Marc O'Se thinks the series had on club football. I haven't heard of any stories were players missed important club games over it this year. And I'm pretty sure the game being on tv at 5 yesterday morning had no impact on attendances at club games yesterday.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Rossfan on November 13, 2017, 02:22:47 PM
Begrudgers out in force today.
Is it the purpose of the GAA to encourage the playing of the national games or to try and introduce a bastardised version of football?
There's a lot of clubs in Roscommon who could do with a share of the money the junket costs
I would submit that a bastardised  version of football has been much in vogue since throwball took over the playing fields of Ireland.
I presume the gate receipts and sponsorship covers the cost of the International Rules.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: tonto1888 on November 13, 2017, 02:35:38 PM
This 'f**k the Begrudgers' stuff is starting to get on my tits. No matter what the subject is, if you voice any sort of disagreement, you are a begrudger. I've long ago given up watching this farce, but I understand and accept that others do, so be it. I'm not going to call them names for liking it.

f**k the begrudgers on Dublin
f**k the begrudgers on International Rules
f**k the begrudgers on Padraic Duffy
f**k the begrudgers on Martin O'Neill and his style of play
f**k the begrudgers on Conor McGregor
f**k the begrudgers on U2

ad infinitum

Jaysus it would wear you down. It would appear that all disagreement now is simply begrudgery. Do people actually know what 'begrudgery' is?

A lot of them Id agree with you but with IR, its pretty simple. If you like it watch it, if not dont
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Esmarelda on November 13, 2017, 03:07:20 PM
This 'f**k the Begrudgers' stuff is starting to get on my tits. No matter what the subject is, if you voice any sort of disagreement, you are a begrudger. I've long ago given up watching this farce, but I understand and accept that others do, so be it. I'm not going to call them names for liking it.

f**k the begrudgers on Dublin
f**k the begrudgers on International Rules
f**k the begrudgers on Padraic Duffy
f**k the begrudgers on Martin O'Neill and his style of play
f**k the begrudgers on Conor McGregor
f**k the begrudgers on U2

ad infinitum

Jaysus it would wear you down. It would appear that all disagreement now is simply begrudgery. Do people actually know what 'begrudgery' is?
Unlike you to get rattled AZ. I agree with the begrudgery point but there's comes a point when "turn the channel" is a fair point.

Also, why do you feel the need to call it a farce?
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: mrhardyannual on November 13, 2017, 04:38:59 PM
I don't have a problem with the game, after all there has to be a compromise between the rules to allow the game be played. Some of the changes that we have adopted from the Aussie game have proven beneficial, the mark, sideline and free-kicks from the hand. The referees had no problem counting handpasses and calling for a kick after the 6th pass. Perhaps we could use this to reduce the handpassing in GAA but it was also noticeable that players punted passes after handpassing and the restriction was not as effective as might have been thought.

My problem is with our preparation for the series. Team selection seems to be done on a "catch all" basis. Many of the lesser known players have shone for their counties in league and early stages of championship and may seem to be deserving of selection on that basis. However, having not played at the cutting edge of the championship against higher quality players they appear to fall short. This is not due to a lack of ability but rather a lack of exposure to the pressure of top-level play. Our management too seems to be  used as a reward to a long serving former county manager rather than someone at the cutting edge of the modern game. We complained for years that the Aussies didn't take it seriously. The change in their attitude and the development of their tactics in playing the game is markedly obvious. We need to respond in kind.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Eamonnca1 on November 13, 2017, 06:02:40 PM
Bloody begrudgers.  >:(
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Jinxy on November 13, 2017, 06:17:18 PM
Marc O'Sé is dead right.
No wonder ourselves and Dublin don't bother with this nonsense anymore.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: AZOffaly on November 13, 2017, 06:30:10 PM
This 'f**k the Begrudgers' stuff is starting to get on my tits. No matter what the subject is, if you voice any sort of disagreement, you are a begrudger. I've long ago given up watching this farce, but I understand and accept that others do, so be it. I'm not going to call them names for liking it.

f**k the begrudgers on Dublin
f**k the begrudgers on International Rules
f**k the begrudgers on Padraic Duffy
f**k the begrudgers on Martin O'Neill and his style of play
f**k the begrudgers on Conor McGregor
f**k the begrudgers on U2

ad infinitum

Jaysus it would wear you down. It would appear that all disagreement now is simply begrudgery. Do people actually know what 'begrudgery' is?
Unlike you to get rattled AZ. I agree with the begrudgery point but there's comes a point when "turn the channel" is a fair point.

Also, why do you feel the need to call it a farce?

It's not begrudgery to say you don't like the game. I said I don't watch it but I'm well aware others do and like it. No harm. I just don't like being told not liking it is begrudgery. 

As for why I call it a farce it's because
A it's not football
B it's not aussie rules
C it's only played a couple of times a year
D it doesn't seem to serve any purpose.

But that's just my opinion.  I know others disagree. Either way it's not begrudgery 😀
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: tonto1888 on November 13, 2017, 06:55:09 PM
Marc O'Sé is dead right.
No wonder ourselves and Dublin don't bother with this nonsense anymore.

Were any Meath players asked to take part?
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Syferus on November 13, 2017, 06:58:26 PM
This 'f**k the Begrudgers' stuff is starting to get on my tits. No matter what the subject is, if you voice any sort of disagreement, you are a begrudger. I've long ago given up watching this farce, but I understand and accept that others do, so be it. I'm not going to call them names for liking it.

f**k the begrudgers on Dublin
f**k the begrudgers on International Rules
f**k the begrudgers on Padraic Duffy
f**k the begrudgers on Martin O'Neill and his style of play
f**k the begrudgers on Conor McGregor
f**k the begrudgers on U2

ad infinitum

Jaysus it would wear you down. It would appear that all disagreement now is simply begrudgery. Do people actually know what 'begrudgery' is?
Unlike you to get rattled AZ. I agree with the begrudgery point but there's comes a point when "turn the channel" is a fair point.

Also, why do you feel the need to call it a farce?

It's not begrudgery to say you don't like the game. I said I don't watch it but I'm well aware others do and like it. No harm. I just don't like being told not liking it is begrudgery. 

As for why I call it a farce it's because
A it's not football
B it's not aussie rules
C it's only played a couple of times a year
D it doesn't seem to serve any purpose.

But that's just my opinion.  I know others disagree. Either way it's not begrudgery 😀

Sport in general at a high level serves no purpose.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Rossfan on November 13, 2017, 07:10:18 PM
Marc O'Sé is dead right.
No wonder ourselves and Dublin don't bother with this nonsense anymore.

Were any Meath players asked to take part?
Players from Intermediate and Junior Counties were not considered.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Avondhu star on November 13, 2017, 07:19:26 PM
Marc O'Sé is dead right.
No wonder ourselves and Dublin don't bother with this nonsense anymore.

Were any Meath players asked to take part?
The New York lads were right to boycott it
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: trileacman on November 13, 2017, 07:52:43 PM
Ah watching it here now and it’s shite enough to be honest. It’s kinda like those crossover tv shows like family guy and the Simpson’s. Ya take two 10/10 sports and when you add them together you get a 3/10 sport. Without the violence that kept it alive for so long it’s really only the novelty that makes anything of this game and after 20+ years that’s long since been spent.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: sligoman2 on November 13, 2017, 07:57:53 PM
This 'f**k the Begrudgers' stuff is starting to get on my tits. No matter what the subject is, if you voice any sort of disagreement, you are a begrudger. I've long ago given up watching this farce, but I understand and accept that others do, so be it. I'm not going to call them names for liking it.

f**k the begrudgers on Dublin
f**k the begrudgers on International Rules
f**k the begrudgers on Padraic Duffy
f**k the begrudgers on Martin O'Neill and his style of play
f**k the begrudgers on Conor McGregor
f**k the begrudgers on U2

ad infinitum

Jaysus it would wear you down. It would appear that all disagreement now is simply begrudgery. Do people actually know what 'begrudgery' is?
Unlike you to get rattled AZ. I agree with the begrudgery point but there's comes a point when "turn the channel" is a fair point.

Also, why do you feel the need to call it a farce?

It's not begrudgery to say you don't like the game. I said I don't watch it but I'm well aware others do and like it. No harm. I just don't like being told not liking it is begrudgery. 

As for why I call it a farce it's because
A it's not football
B it's not aussie rules
C it's only played a couple of times a year
D it doesn't seem to serve any purpose.

But that's just my opinion.  I know others disagree. Either way it's not begrudgery 😀

It’s not the disagreement AZ, it’s the negativity from some of the posters on some of the topics.  Some people (not you by the way) invoke the doomsday scenario when any change is proposed. I am delighted that a sligo lad is on the team and i would never begrude the fact that he and the others have an opportunity to represent the country.
I fully understand this is not everyone’s cup of tea, hence the remote control comment. I don’t like baseball, so i don’t watch it - end of story..
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: AZOffaly on November 13, 2017, 09:56:27 PM
This 'f**k the Begrudgers' stuff is starting to get on my tits. No matter what the subject is, if you voice any sort of disagreement, you are a begrudger. I've long ago given up watching this farce, but I understand and accept that others do, so be it. I'm not going to call them names for liking it.

f**k the begrudgers on Dublin
f**k the begrudgers on International Rules
f**k the begrudgers on Padraic Duffy
f**k the begrudgers on Martin O'Neill and his style of play
f**k the begrudgers on Conor McGregor
f**k the begrudgers on U2

ad infinitum

Jaysus it would wear you down. It would appear that all disagreement now is simply begrudgery. Do people actually know what 'begrudgery' is?
Unlike you to get rattled AZ. I agree with the begrudgery point but there's comes a point when "turn the channel" is a fair point.

Also, why do you feel the need to call it a farce?

It's not begrudgery to say you don't like the game. I said I don't watch it but I'm well aware others do and like it. No harm. I just don't like being told not liking it is begrudgery. 

As for why I call it a farce it's because
A it's not football
B it's not aussie rules
C it's only played a couple of times a year
D it doesn't seem to serve any purpose.

But that's just my opinion.  I know others disagree. Either way it's not begrudgery 😀

It’s not the disagreement AZ, it’s the negativity from some of the posters on some of the topics.  Some people (not you by the way) invoke the doomsday scenario when any change is proposed. I am delighted that a sligo lad is on the team and i would never begrude the fact that he and the others have an opportunity to represent the country.
I fully understand this is not everyone’s cup of tea, hence the remote control comment. I don’t like baseball, so i don’t watch it - end of story..

Such begrudgery!!! :)
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Jinxy on November 13, 2017, 10:13:41 PM
This 'f**k the Begrudgers' stuff is starting to get on my tits. No matter what the subject is, if you voice any sort of disagreement, you are a begrudger. I've long ago given up watching this farce, but I understand and accept that others do, so be it. I'm not going to call them names for liking it.

f**k the begrudgers on Dublin
f**k the begrudgers on International Rules
f**k the begrudgers on Padraic Duffy
f**k the begrudgers on Martin O'Neill and his style of play
f**k the begrudgers on Conor McGregor
f**k the begrudgers on U2

ad infinitum

Jaysus it would wear you down. It would appear that all disagreement now is simply begrudgery. Do people actually know what 'begrudgery' is?
Unlike you to get rattled AZ. I agree with the begrudgery point but there's comes a point when "turn the channel" is a fair point.

Also, why do you feel the need to call it a farce?

It's not begrudgery to say you don't like the game. I said I don't watch it but I'm well aware others do and like it. No harm. I just don't like being told not liking it is begrudgery. 

As for why I call it a farce it's because
A it's not football
B it's not aussie rules
C it's only played a couple of times a year
D it doesn't seem to serve any purpose.

But that's just my opinion.  I know others disagree. Either way it's not begrudgery 😀

It’s not the disagreement AZ, it’s the negativity from some of the posters on some of the topics.  Some people (not you by the way) invoke the doomsday scenario when any change is proposed. I am delighted that a sligo lad is on the team and i would never begrude the fact that he and the others have an opportunity to represent the country.
I fully understand this is not everyone’s cup of tea, hence the remote control comment. I don’t like baseball, so i don’t watch it - end of story..

What?!
Who?!
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Lar Naparka on November 13, 2017, 10:34:01 PM
It seems to me that the vast majority of our top players are keen to continue the series and that's good enough for me. As a game, it's going to go nowhere. Nowhere that is, beyond those biannual encounters as you'll never see a group of kids messing about as they do in soccer or Gaelic knockabouts. This hybrid game is far too complicated for that but our intercounty players seem to be as keen to be selected  for home games as they are for junkets down under. I never heard of a player yet who didn't, or doesn't, think it is an honour to represent his county. So, let them at it, I say. (I think its a load of shite but that's just my personal opinion.)
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: LooseCannon on November 13, 2017, 10:35:40 PM
Marc O'Sé is dead right.
No wonder ourselves and Dublin don't bother with this nonsense anymore.

Were any Meath players asked to take part?
Players from Intermediate and Junior Counties were not considered.

A Roscommon lad on a high horse ;D
Are you not a Mayo lad being from Ballaghadreen and all, just like Andy, David Drake and Pearce???;D
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: LooseCannon on November 13, 2017, 10:36:58 PM
At least the football is decent.


The shinty is pure SH*TE
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Rossfan on November 13, 2017, 11:31:04 PM
Marc O'Sé is dead right.
No wonder ourselves and Dublin don't bother with this nonsense anymore.

Were any Meath players asked to take part?
Players from Intermediate and Junior Counties were not considered.

A Roscommon lad on a high horse ;D
Are you not a Mayo lad being from Ballaghadreen and all, just like Andy, David Drake and Pearce???;D
By Jasus you're askin for a good batin.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Jim Bob on November 14, 2017, 12:07:14 AM
Replacements for the sickies? Harte?
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Throw ball on November 14, 2017, 12:35:58 AM
Replacements for the sickies? Harte?

Darren Hughes
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Avondhu star on November 14, 2017, 08:54:11 AM
This 'f**k the Begrudgers' stuff is starting to get on my tits. No matter what the subject is, if you voice any sort of disagreement, you are a begrudger. I've long ago given up watching this farce, but I understand and accept that others do, so be it. I'm not going to call them names for liking it.

f**k the begrudgers on Dublin
f**k the begrudgers on International Rules
f**k the begrudgers on Padraic Duffy
f**k the begrudgers on Martin O'Neill and his style of play
f**k the begrudgers on Conor McGregor
f**k the begrudgers on U2

ad infinitum

Jaysus it would wear you down. It would appear that all disagreement now is simply begrudgery. Do people actually know what 'begrudgery' is?
Unlike you to get rattled AZ. I agree with the begrudgery point but there's comes a point when "turn the channel" is a fair point.

Also, why do you feel the need to call it a farce?

It's not begrudgery to say you don't like the game. I said I don't watch it but I'm well aware others do and like it. No harm. I just don't like being told not liking it is begrudgery. 

As for why I call it a farce it's because
A it's not football
B it's not aussie rules
C it's only played a couple of times a year
D it doesn't seem to serve any purpose.

But that's just my opinion.  I know others disagree. Either way it's not begrudgery 😀

It’s not the disagreement AZ, it’s the negativity from some of the posters on some of the topics.  Some people (not you by the way) invoke the doomsday scenario when any change is proposed. I am delighted that a sligo lad is on the team and i would never begrude the fact that he and the others have an opportunity to represent the country.
I fully understand this is not everyone’s cup of tea, hence the remote control comment. I don’t like baseball, so i don’t watch it - end of story..

What?!
Who?!
Local boy makes good
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Avondhu star on November 14, 2017, 10:13:56 AM
This 'f**k the Begrudgers' stuff is starting to get on my tits. No matter what the subject is, if you voice any sort of disagreement, you are a begrudger. I've long ago given up watching this farce, but I understand and accept that others do, so be it. I'm not going to call them names for liking it.

f**k the begrudgers on Dublin
f**k the begrudgers on International Rules
f**k the begrudgers on Padraic Duffy
f**k the begrudgers on Martin O'Neill and his style of play
f**k the begrudgers on Conor McGregor
f**k the begrudgers on U2

ad infinitum

Jaysus it would wear you down. It would appear that all disagreement now is simply begrudgery. Do people actually know what 'begrudgery' is?
Unlike you to get rattled AZ. I agree with the begrudgery point but there's comes a point when "turn the channel" is a fair point.

Also, why do you feel the need to call it a farce?

It's not begrudgery to say you don't like the game. I said I don't watch it but I'm well aware others do and like it. No harm. I just don't like being told not liking it is begrudgery. 

As for why I call it a farce it's because
A it's not football
B it's not aussie rules
C it's only played a couple of times a year
D it doesn't seem to serve any purpose.

But that's just my opinion.  I know others disagree. Either way it's not begrudgery 😀

It’s not the disagreement AZ, it’s the negativity from some of the posters on some of the topics.  Some people (not you by the way) invoke the doomsday scenario when any change is proposed. I am delighted that a sligo lad is on the team and i would never begrude the fact that he and the others have an opportunity to represent the country.
I fully understand this is not everyone’s cup of tea, hence the remote control comment. I don’t like baseball, so i don’t watch it - end of story..

What?!
Who?!
Local boy makes good
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: vallankumous on November 14, 2017, 10:19:08 AM
This 'f**k the Begrudgers' stuff is starting to get on my tits. No matter what the subject is, if you voice any sort of disagreement, you are a begrudger. I've long ago given up watching this farce, but I understand and accept that others do, so be it. I'm not going to call them names for liking it.

f**k the begrudgers on Dublin
f**k the begrudgers on International Rules
f**k the begrudgers on Padraic Duffy
f**k the begrudgers on Martin O'Neill and his style of play
f**k the begrudgers on Conor McGregor
f**k the begrudgers on U2

ad infinitum

Jaysus it would wear you down. It would appear that all disagreement now is simply begrudgery. Do people actually know what 'begrudgery' is?

Yes a million times!
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: CJ2017 on November 14, 2017, 10:25:15 AM
Ciaran Sheehan has been drafted in to the squad
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: LooseCannon on November 14, 2017, 11:08:17 AM
Marc O'Sé is dead right.
No wonder ourselves and Dublin don't bother with this nonsense anymore.

Were any Meath players asked to take part?
Players from Intermediate and Junior Counties were not considered.

A Roscommon lad on a high horse ;D
Are you not a Mayo lad being from Ballaghadreen and all, just like Andy, David Drake and Pearce???;D
By Jasus you're askin for a good batin.

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on November 14, 2017, 11:15:46 AM
Next years game may go to America
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: ballinaman on November 14, 2017, 01:18:44 PM
Next years game may go to America
Connolly ruled out so.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Gmac on November 14, 2017, 05:12:54 PM
Ireland should get their big men on edge of the square and pump it in long to them only time they looked dangerous play the old school game and go for goals
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: magpie seanie on November 14, 2017, 05:25:57 PM
Ireland should get their big men on edge of the square and pump it in long to them only time they looked dangerous play the old school game and go for goals


You're right, it's the way we can make hay. We need lads who can kick long and accurately though and arguably two of our best at that were sick last week.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Rossfan on November 14, 2017, 05:51:03 PM
A goal (under) is only worth 2 points (overs) in this game though so we don't want to get too hung up on going for the net.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Farrandeelin on November 14, 2017, 05:58:57 PM
What time is the next game on at seeing it's in Perth?
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Syferus on November 14, 2017, 06:07:20 PM
A goal (under) is only worth 2 points (overs) in this game though so we don't want to get too hung up on going for the net.

Given they have no keepers in Aussie Rules goaling is probably the best way to make up lost ground.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Jinxy on November 14, 2017, 06:10:09 PM
Why are we wasting money on this when we could be taking on the best baseball has to offer.

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Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Gmac on November 14, 2017, 06:22:32 PM
A goal (under) is only worth 2 points (overs) in this game though so we don't want to get too hung up on going for the net.

Given they have no keepers in Aussie Rules gosling is probably the best way to make up lost ground.
ireland should stick in an outfield player in goals too someone to carry out and create something not sure who but someone who can carry at serious speed .
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Captain Obvious on November 14, 2017, 06:24:17 PM
What time is the next game on at seeing it's in Perth?

8:45am Irish time
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: AZOffaly on November 14, 2017, 10:33:04 PM
Why are we wasting money on this when we could be taking on the best baseball has to offer.

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That’s English rounders you absolute charlatan
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: CJ2017 on November 15, 2017, 01:49:32 AM
Just watched a great documentary "The Galahs" about the first Australian Team to tour Ireland
when the played the All Ireland Champions Meath in 1967 at Croke Park

Some Royal legends being interviewed in it, interesting to see there was a game played in New York with the
proposed test in the states being talked about.
Against the New Yorkers, it sounds like the Aussies came off second best that day physically, they were up
against NYPD Cops!

bit of singing at from a Meath man at the end of the film!

heres the link http://www.afl.com.au/video/2017-11-11/trailblazers-the-story-of-the-galahs

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heres a shot of AFL star Eddie Betts playing GAA last week

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Title: Re: International rules
Post by: magpie seanie on November 15, 2017, 05:30:58 PM
Are we sure Eddie Betts was registered properly for that game? We should object!!!!
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on November 15, 2017, 06:51:57 PM
Meanwhile back at the ranch...

http://www.the42.ie/cillian-mcdaid-galway-football-3698654-Nov2017/ (http://www.the42.ie/cillian-mcdaid-galway-football-3698654-Nov2017/)

Quote
Brilliant young Galway football prospect set to embark on Aussie Rules career with Carlton

YOUNG GALWAY FOOTBALL prospect Cillian McDaid has become the latest GAA player set to start an Aussie Rules career.
Galway Bay FM has reported today that McDaid will join Carlton after being offered a two-year professional contract and will fly out on Sunday to link up with the Melbourne-based club for the first time.

The news is a major blow to Galway football as McDaid has emerged as a huge talent. He was excellent for the county U21 side that contested the All-Ireland football final in April, scoring 1-1 in that defeat to Dublin in Tullamore.

He went on to come off the bench for Kevin Walsh’s Galway senior side in this summer’s championship meetings with Donegal and Kerry.
McDaid, who plays football with Monivea-Abbey and hurling with Craughwell, previously won an All-Ireland minor hurling medal with Galway in September 2015.

There had been strong speculation that Carlton were looking to pick up the 20-year-old, who has previously twice tested in the AFL academy in the USA.
Last year he was one of three Irish players who tested in Florida with the other two – Westmeath’s Ray Connellan and Kilkenny’s Darragh Joyce – both subsequently being snapped up by St Kilda.

McDaid will join Louth’s Ciaran Byrne at Carlton, who have a past history of Irish players including the Cork trio of Setanta and Aisake Ó hAilpín, and Ciaran Sheehan, along with Laois man Zach Tuohy, who now plies his trade with Geelong.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Jinxy on November 15, 2017, 08:06:10 PM
Why are we wasting money on this when we could be taking on the best baseball has to offer.

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That’s English rounders you absolute charlatan

Well spotted.
The key difference being Irish rounders typically uses an old tennis racket.
We should play them so.
We owe them one.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: thebuzz on November 15, 2017, 10:28:15 PM
A goal (under) is only worth 2 points (overs) in this game though so we don't want to get too hung up on going for the net.
I've been saying this for years. Our goal = 9 points so it's a bigger deal in our game. Look how many of our games have no goals. Just hoof it over the bar every time. There's only 3 points and a wide in this.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: rrhf on November 15, 2017, 10:33:34 PM
Or 10 wides for Aidan o se alone.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: dec on November 15, 2017, 11:03:58 PM
Rounders at Croke Park

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1gQCVVF10w
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: sligoman2 on November 18, 2017, 09:35:01 AM
Great first half by us.  Australia getting frustrated which is what we want..
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Carbery on November 18, 2017, 09:41:22 AM
Where's this 'D' Sean Cavanagh keeps talking about on RTÉ?
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Rossfan on November 18, 2017, 09:43:41 AM
Great first half by us.  Australia getting frustrated which is what we want..
So far so good. The BIG quarter for Australia coming up.
The video ref worked well for the black card.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Tubberman on November 18, 2017, 09:53:29 AM
Powter & Enda Smith turning over far too much ball.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: lenny on November 18, 2017, 09:58:19 AM
Where's this 'D' Sean Cavanagh keeps talking about on RTÉ?

For years he wouldn't speak to rte as a supposed point of principle. Now you can't get him off it. In fairness he's not too bad here.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Itchy on November 18, 2017, 10:11:12 AM
Ball Morgan hasn't much upstairs.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: BennyCake on November 18, 2017, 10:13:55 AM
Where's this 'D' Sean Cavanagh keeps talking about on RTÉ?

For years he wouldn't speak to rte as a supposed point of principle. Now you can't get him off it. In fairness he's not too bad here.

Him and Colm are both accountants. It's all about the pound signs  :)
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Zulu on November 18, 2017, 10:14:48 AM
Jesus, Ireland doing some very daft things here. Why didn't Sludden just take his mark there?
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: BennyCake on November 18, 2017, 10:19:51 AM
Jesus, Ireland doing some very daft things here. Why didn't Sludden just take his mark there?

He must've got excited. He's never played as close to the oppositions goal before.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: tonto1888 on November 18, 2017, 10:29:56 AM
Think we can put to bed the nonsense that the Australians don't care
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: stephenite on November 18, 2017, 10:31:08 AM
Two great games,
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Zulu on November 18, 2017, 10:31:19 AM
I know our lads don't play these rules all the time but we really did some very silly things. Disappointing.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Redhand Santa on November 18, 2017, 10:38:55 AM
Great game but the critics probably won’t admit it. People have been crying out for long kickouts and high fielding and it was full of it. Better than the majority of championship games and more people at it. Was clear to see that both sets of players really cared.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: BallyroanAbu on November 18, 2017, 10:41:16 AM
How wrong was I,  decided not to watch 7 1/4s because I judged with a closed mind.  Happened to switch on this morning a very enjoyable last 1/4, definitely my bad.

The Blonde Australian Guy some man to field a ball.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Rossfan on November 18, 2017, 10:46:45 AM
Two great games,
Didn't see last week but today was excellent.
I never noticed the time passing which is always a good sign of a game
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Hardy on November 18, 2017, 11:40:01 AM
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Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Jinxy on November 18, 2017, 01:43:42 PM
Didn't see any of this but reading the Aussies' reaction on BigFooty it would seem the Irish lads were diving a lot.
Was it that bad?
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Throw ball on November 18, 2017, 02:15:55 PM
Didn't see any of this but reading the Aussies' reaction on BigFooty it would seem the Irish lads were diving a lot.
Was it that bad?

Watched full match and can remember thinking O 'Shea went down easily once but considering the abuse he was getting in the match it was hard to blame him. McManus did win one soft free too. The Aussies seemed to push a lot which the Irish were getting frees for but seemingly is not a foul in their game?

One thing I found odd was that Fyffe got tackled on one occasion and hand passed ball on for someone else to score. On other occasions though when the Irish got tackled they dropped / released ball and a free was given against them. If that is the rule then grand but it appeared to me that the Irish players were doing what they had been coached and a tactic I had seen in previous series.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: DUBSFORSAM1 on November 18, 2017, 02:21:11 PM
At least Ireland had a go today unlike the abysmal style played last week. At least a few fallacies about our game were exposed. Fitness wise we are nowhere close to the Aussies and the fact they can pick up the skill with the ball to outscore us is worrying. Far too many Irish players unable to kick a ball accurately over any distance.

My God though McManus is some player....I'd even take him for the Dublin team in a heartbeat
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: thejuice on November 18, 2017, 02:30:03 PM
It’s always fun to read Bigfooty whenever this is on. They seem to hate/love the game depending on the score line.

It’s also a chance to learn another language. Ya bunch a flogs/sooks etc.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Rossfan on November 18, 2017, 03:11:01 PM
Didn't see any of this but reading the Aussies' reaction on BigFooty it would seem the Irish lads were diving a lot.
Was it that bad?

Watched full match and can remember thinking O 'Shea went down easily once but considering the abuse he was getting in the match it was hard to blame him. McManus did win one soft free too. The Aussies seemed to push a lot which the Irish were getting frees for but seemingly is not a foul in their game?

One thing I found odd was that Fyffe got tackled on one occasion and hand passed ball on for someone else to score. On other occasions though when the Irish got tackled they dropped / released ball and a free was given against them. If that is the rule then grand but it appeared to me that the Irish players were doing what they had been coached and a tactic I had seen in previous series.
You're  supposed to play the ball away rather than just drop it as far as I recall.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Throw ball on November 18, 2017, 03:16:38 PM
Didn't see any of this but reading the Aussies' reaction on BigFooty it would seem the Irish lads were diving a lot.
Was it that bad?

Watched full match and can remember thinking O 'Shea went down easily once but considering the abuse he was getting in the match it was hard to blame him. McManus did win one soft free too. The Aussies seemed to push a lot which the Irish were getting frees for but seemingly is not a foul in their game?

One thing I found odd was that Fyffe got tackled on one occasion and hand passed ball on for someone else to score. On other occasions though when the Irish got tackled they dropped / released ball and a free was given against them. If that is the rule then grand but it appeared to me that the Irish players were doing what they had been coached and a tactic I had seen in previous series.
You're  supposed to play the ball away rather than just drop it as far as I recall.

I assume you are correct but at times it looked as if Ireland  had been coached to drop it it happened that often.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Jinxy on November 18, 2017, 03:43:04 PM
I think Ireland would do better with an Australian coach tbh.
Any time I watch International Rules I get the sense that the players are very hesitant and unsure of themselves.
They should at least understand the game they're playing.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Syferus on November 18, 2017, 03:51:40 PM
Bring back Paul Earley, more like. Big Joe talked a big game but that was the extent of it.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: bennydorano on November 18, 2017, 04:06:48 PM
Entertaining series of games. Taking it to the USA seems like a great idea, you'd imagine both teams would go at near full strength for the Jolly up factor alone, it should also attract big crowds on the East coast but unless it's a bit earlier in the year I'd say the players would be hoping for a California game.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: MayoBuck on November 18, 2017, 04:28:05 PM
Would they have pitches big enough in America? Or would they have it like the hurling exhibition in Boston with reduced number of players.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Smokin Joe on November 18, 2017, 05:48:18 PM
It seemed to me that GAA players have a huge barrier to overcome in terms of our natural instinct to jink, dummy and go past the opposition when in possession.  It is totally the wrong play in this Compromise game as they are too easy tackled.
Seeing how often the Irish players did it today makes me think that it is just so difficult tio stop themselves doing what comes naturally.

Arguably, the opposite of this is the fact that you can't push a player before they receive the ball. We can see that the Aussies really struggled with that one; but I think the tackle has a much greater impact on the outcome of the game than the pushing in the back.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Avondhu star on November 18, 2017, 06:18:53 PM
Thank God that shite is over for another year
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Rossfan on November 18, 2017, 06:35:45 PM
Any chance you'd go away for  a year too
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: rrhf on November 18, 2017, 10:05:08 PM
Bring back Paul Earley, more like. Big Joe talked a big game but that was the extent of it.
And he’s from the north managing his country
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Avondhu star on November 18, 2017, 10:30:38 PM
Bring back Paul Earley, more like. Big Joe talked a big game but that was the extent of it.
And he’s from the north managing his country

Big Joe is a great manager but I don't think this job is where his talents are best used
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Syferus on November 19, 2017, 02:34:19 AM
Amusing seeing Big Dick calling out the Dublin players for snubbing the Aussie Rules team and the players kicking up a fuss.

Whatever way you cut it, the entire Dublin contingent opting out was a snub so they’d be better served to stop telling people piss is rain and expecting them to believe it. No one likes them to begin with but they’re really giving no one any reason not to dislike them with craic like this.

Going off to Australia to play professionals without any players from our best and only professional side was obviously a bad start to say the least.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: tonto1888 on November 19, 2017, 08:37:58 AM
Amusing seeing Big Dick calling out the Dublin players for snubbing the Aussie Rules team and the players kicking up a fuss.

Whatever why you cut it, the entire Dublin contingent opting out was a snub so they’d be better served to stop telling people piss is rain and expecting them to believe it. No one likes them to begin with but they’re really giving no one any reason not to dislike them with craic like this.

Going off to Australia to play professionals without any players from our best and only professional side was obviously a bad start to say the least.

We don't have any professional sides
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: From the Bunker on November 19, 2017, 09:54:41 AM
Amusing seeing Big Dick calling out the Dublin players for snubbing the Aussie Rules team and the players kicking up a fuss.

Whatever why you cut it, the entire Dublin contingent opting out was a snub so they’d be better served to stop telling people piss is rain and expecting them to believe it. No one likes them to begin with but they’re really giving no one any reason not to dislike them with craic like this.

Going off to Australia to play professionals without any players from our best and only professional side was obviously a bad start to say the least.

We don't have any professional sides

You just keep telling yourself that. If it makes it easier to believe the lie.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Throw ball on November 19, 2017, 10:26:20 AM
Bring back Paul Earley, more like. Big Joe talked a big game but that was the extent of it.
And he’s from the north managing his country

Big Joe is a great manager but I don't think this job is where his talents are best used

Big Joe is a great manager but he had to work with his hands behind his back with the number of players he couldn't pick. A also believe the tackle especially gives the Aussies an incredible advantage.
Also who thought it would be a good idea to have the first match in such hear and at a time unsuitable for an Irish audience?
Why was it ok to have a one off test the last time in Ireland but there has to be 2 in Australia?
Why is it a good idea to take a test to USA the next time and not have 2 in Ireland? If the Aussies want to promote their game in USA why not have 2 tests there next time and back to Ireland the time after That?
And most of all why do Ireland always seem to pick their Aussie based players. They abandoned Gaelic football. If it us an honour to represent your country why not reserve it for Gaelic footballers? If it is to do with the tackle why didn't they just ask a few rugby players?
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Rossfan on November 19, 2017, 10:30:34 AM
Why don't you cheer up a bit on a Sunday morning? :D
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Zulu on November 19, 2017, 10:37:53 AM
Amusing seeing Big Dick calling out the Dublin players for snubbing the Aussie Rules team and the players kicking up a fuss.

Whatever why you cut it, the entire Dublin contingent opting out was a snub so they’d be better served to stop telling people piss is rain and expecting them to believe it. No one likes them to begin with but they’re really giving no one any reason not to dislike them with craic like this.

Going off to Australia to play professionals without any players from our best and only professional side was obviously a bad start to say the least.

We don't have any professional sides

You just keep telling yourself that. If it makes it easier to believe the lie.

Care to back that up with any facts? You expect Syferus to come out with that guff but most others are sensible enough.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Rossfan on November 19, 2017, 10:46:48 AM
Leitrim sponsor Bush Hotel - small local family owned business
Dublin Sponsor AIG - large multi billion € multi National.
Leitrim no All Irelands, 2 Provincial titles
Dublin.........
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Zulu on November 19, 2017, 10:51:23 AM
Is that proof Dublin are a professional sports team?
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Gael85 on November 19, 2017, 10:55:50 AM
Clerkin should have done a bit of research before tweeting. League semi/ finals and B championship have been played since county final which ruled out 7/8 key players who would have been unable to make training for Ireland.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Itchy on November 19, 2017, 10:58:07 AM
Clerkin should have done a bit of research before tweeting. League semi/ finals and B championship have been played since county final which ruled out 7/8 key players who would have been unable to make training for Ireland.

Big Dick is a clown. I wouldnt pay any heed to what shite he comes out with.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Gael85 on November 19, 2017, 11:07:03 AM
Amusing seeing Big Dick calling out the Dublin players for snubbing the Aussie Rules team and the players kicking up a fuss.

Whatever why you cut it, the entire Dublin contingent opting out was a snub so they’d be better served to stop telling people piss is rain and expecting them to believe it. No one likes them to begin with but they’re really giving no one any reason not to dislike them with craic like this.

Going off to Australia to play professionals without any players from our best and only professional side was obviously a bad start to say the least.

So who dislikes this Dublin team?  Can understand people not liking certain individuals. This group are class act on and off pitch unlike some of the Dublin players before them who very arrogant off the pitch. FYI none of these players are professional. All have full time job and off course easier for them to train more as all based in Dublin
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: 6th sam on November 19, 2017, 11:26:40 AM
Amusing seeing Big Dick calling out the Dublin players for snubbing the Aussie Rules team and the players kicking up a fuss.

Whatever why you cut it, the entire Dublin contingent opting out was a snub so they’d be better served to stop telling people piss is rain and expecting them to believe it. No one likes them to begin with but they’re really giving no one any reason not to dislike them with craic like this.

Going off to Australia to play professionals without any players from our best and only professional side was obviously a bad start to say the least.

Whereas I have major difficulties with the structures that allow Dublin and other counties to enjoy unfair advantage, we can’t blame Dublin and their players making the most of the opportunities. Dublin players seem to be great role models in the main. The lack of Dublin representatives on the Rules squad flags up the inadequacies of the “sport”.
One of the biggest threats to the GAA is the loss of quality players to Australia, either on a working holiday or in a small number of cases to play AFL. Is it wise for the GAA to promote Australia?
As opposed to criticising Dublin players’ admirable club loyalty , I would prefer to highlight that the GAA is further robbing some clubs of their elite players by dragging them off to Dublin for training after the Intercounty season is over when players should be concentrating on club activity.
Many Dublin players are close to elite athletes, and anyone at that top end would be unwise to risk injury or lose out on recovery and preparation for a “made-up sport “ for “internationals “ that cant even command a full house on most occasions.
In the interests of injury prevention, the GAA has determined in rule that even the best conditioned 17 year olds can’t play for their clubs senior or reserve teams, but yet are prepared to throw the country’s very best footballers into the lion’s den against much heavier and in many cases cynical professional athletes, with only a few weeks’ of patchy preparation , exposing them to ridiculously dangerous tackles like the one on Chris Barrett on Saturday . Our “international” squad  is further weakened by the fact that many of our best players don’t involve themselves. The GAA and particularly the GPA needs to take a serious look at this fiasco , where we risk injury and potentially encourage emigration of our players to promote a rival sport. AFL is a sport incidentally who have poached some of our best talent without paying a brass farthing to the club’s and counties that developed these players for them. Talk about being taken for fools!!!
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Keyser soze on November 19, 2017, 11:47:39 AM
Amusing seeing Big Dick calling out the Dublin players for snubbing the Aussie Rules team and the players kicking up a fuss.

Whatever why you cut it, the entire Dublin contingent opting out was a snub so they’d be better served to stop telling people piss is rain and expecting them to believe it. No one likes them to begin with but they’re really giving no one any reason not to dislike them with craic like this.

Going off to Australia to play professionals without any players from our best and only professional side was obviously a bad start to say the least.

Whereas I have major difficulties with the structures that allow Dublin and other counties to enjoy unfair advantage, we can’t blame Dublin and their players making the most of the opportunities. Dublin players seem to be great role models in the main. The lack of Dublin representatives on the Rules squad flags up the inadequacies of the “sport”.
One of the biggest threats to the GAA is the loss of quality players to Australia, either on a working holiday or in a small number of cases to play AFL. Is it wise for the GAA to promote Australia?
As opposed to criticising Dublin players’ admirable club loyalty , I would prefer to highlight that the GAA is further robbing some clubs of their elite players by dragging them off to Dublin for training after the Intercounty season is over when players should be concentrating on club activity.
Many Dublin players are close to elite athletes, and anyone at that top end would be unwise to risk injury or lose out on recovery and preparation for a “made-up sport “ for “internationals “ that cant even command a full house on most occasions.
In the interests of injury prevention, the GAA has determined in rule that even the best conditioned 17 year olds can’t play for their clubs senior or reserve teams, but yet are prepared to throw the country’s very best footballers into the lion’s den against much heavier and in many cases cynical professional athletes, with only a few weeks’ of patchy preparation , exposing them to ridiculously dangerous tackles like the one on Chris Barrett on Saturday . Our “international” squad  is further weakened by the fact that many of our best players don’t involve themselves. The GAA and particularly the GPA needs to take a serious look at this fiasco , where we risk injury and potentially encourage emigration of our players to promote a rival sport. AFL is a sport incidentally who have poached some of our best talent without paying a brass farthing to the club’s and counties that developed these players for them. Talk about being taken for fools!!!

+1.

(To 6th Sam.... not that nonsense of Syferus's.)
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Syferus on November 19, 2017, 12:51:02 PM
Amusing seeing Big Dick calling out the Dublin players for snubbing the Aussie Rules team and the players kicking up a fuss.

Whatever why you cut it, the entire Dublin contingent opting out was a snub so they’d be better served to stop telling people piss is rain and expecting them to believe it. No one likes them to begin with but they’re really giving no one any reason not to dislike them with craic like this.

Going off to Australia to play professionals without any players from our best and only professional side was obviously a bad start to say the least.

Whereas I have major difficulties with the structures that allow Dublin and other counties to enjoy unfair advantage, we can’t blame Dublin and their players making the most of the opportunities. Dublin players seem to be great role models in the main. The lack of Dublin representatives on the Rules squad flags up the inadequacies of the “sport”.
One of the biggest threats to the GAA is the loss of quality players to Australia, either on a working holiday or in a small number of cases to play AFL. Is it wise for the GAA to promote Australia?
As opposed to criticising Dublin players’ admirable club loyalty , I would prefer to highlight that the GAA is further robbing some clubs of their elite players by dragging them off to Dublin for training after the Intercounty season is over when players should be concentrating on club activity.
Many Dublin players are close to elite athletes, and anyone at that top end would be unwise to risk injury or lose out on recovery and preparation for a “made-up sport “ for “internationals “ that cant even command a full house on most occasions.
In the interests of injury prevention, the GAA has determined in rule that even the best conditioned 17 year olds can’t play for their clubs senior or reserve teams, but yet are prepared to throw the country’s very best footballers into the lion’s den against much heavier and in many cases cynical professional athletes, with only a few weeks’ of patchy preparation , exposing them to ridiculously dangerous tackles like the one on Chris Barrett on Saturday . Our “international” squad  is further weakened by the fact that many of our best players don’t involve themselves. The GAA and particularly the GPA needs to take a serious look at this fiasco , where we risk injury and potentially encourage emigration of our players to promote a rival sport. AFL is a sport incidentally who have poached some of our best talent without paying a brass farthing to the club’s and counties that developed these players for them. Talk about being taken for fools!!!

Strange how a sport that monetarily rewards athletes for an obsessive amount of training and commitment has proven attractive to IC GAA players. Anyone upset that that a professional league like the AFL attracts people who love to play sport is, to borrow Keyzer Soze's term, speaking the real nonsense. So few even make it to the AFL that calling it one of the biggest threats to the GAA is so laughable it's hard to fathom how you can ignore far more obvious threats like player abuse, terrible scheduling and local sports like rugby and soccer.

Not many Dublin players opting to go down to the AFL. Now that's not so strange.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Rossfan on November 19, 2017, 12:53:38 PM
So if the GAA end the series there will be no more minors being trialled or signed by the ALL clubs.
Pull th'other one chaps.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on November 19, 2017, 01:29:22 PM
So if the GAA end the series there will be no more minors being trialled or signed by the ALL clubs.
Pull th'other one chaps.

You'd wonder what use the whole thing is in any respect?

How many players have really made an impact in AFL in the past 15 years?

Kennelly, Hanley and Touhy really the only ones, maybe Marty Clarke for a while but after that they've pretty much been failures.

McKenna and Glass are going well now but they were the outstanding minors in their age grouping and it will be interesting to see if they can sustain it.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Rossfan on November 19, 2017, 03:48:15 PM
Young lads get to live in the Sun for 2 years
They get paid to train for and play a type of football
Some make it some don't, that's the way it goes.
How many soccery kids go to England and end up as "failures"
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on November 19, 2017, 06:16:07 PM
Young lads get to live in the Sun for 2 years
They get paid to train for and play a type of football
Some make it some don't, that's the way it goes.
How many soccery kids go to England and end up as "failures"

So it's merely about living in the sun?

From my understanding the type of money you'd make from Aussie Rules is nothing special, particularly for those starting off and you would struggle to retire on it. Generally kids who go and play professional football do it because they've played the game from a very young age up and are fulfilling a childhood dream, I don't think many Irish kids dream about going on to play AFL.

But that's not my point in any case. It's not as if the AFL are having great success out of poaching gaelic footballers, very few make it and even the ones who do aren't particularly special players in the overall scheme of things. In the last 10 odd years, the most high profile players are Hanley, Touhy and Martin Clarke. I'd imagine setting up all these trials and so forth costs an awful lot of money through logistics and everything else so AFL clubs aren't exactly getting great value for money.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Rossfan on November 19, 2017, 06:43:27 PM
Will you tell them to stop or do you want me to?
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Cunny Funt on November 19, 2017, 06:51:37 PM
Young lads get to live in the Sun for 2 years
They get paid to train for and play a type of football
Some make it some don't, that's the way it goes.
How many soccery kids go to England and end up as "failures"
A lot of these young lads have many friends and relations already living in Australia which makes the decision to give AFL a go all the more easier.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: TabClear on November 19, 2017, 07:08:42 PM
Young lads get to live in the Sun for 2 years
They get paid to train for and play a type of football
Some make it some don't, that's the way it goes.
How many soccery kids go to England and end up as "failures"
A lot of these young lads have many friends and relations already living in Australia which makes the decision to give AFL a go all the more easier.

Why would anyone want to deprive young lads of an opportunity to play professional sport if that's what they want to do? Good luck to anyone who is good enough to get the chance.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on November 19, 2017, 07:24:12 PM
Will you tell them to stop or do you want me to?

I'm merely making the point that it doesn't really seem much of a worthwhile venture from the Australian point of view.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: bennydorano on November 19, 2017, 07:41:43 PM
What real costs are there tho? Use of GAA Grounds (probably free), use of DCU facilities, facilitated by a few already contracted coaches / officials, the cost of a few Business class plane Tickets - probably freebies from Emirates who are involved as Sponsors.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on November 19, 2017, 08:00:28 PM
What real costs are there tho? Use of GAA Grounds (probably free), use of DCU facilities, facilitated by a few already contracted coaches / officials, the cost of a few Business class plane Tickets - probably freebies from Emirates who are involved as Sponsors.

There would be a lot of costs involved in organising these things. Not to mention staff employed in organising these events and other such things.

Players then get salaries and the majority of them don't make it.

The no of players making it in a niche sport such as Aussie rules is pretty disappointing. I just don't really see much of a result out of the Aussies putting in so much endeavour, maybe the results will change now - Glass and McKenna seem to have made the breakthrough this year but Tuohy and Hanley is a very disappointing return from the no of players who have gone over in the past 10 years.

Willl the younger Hanley head back to Mayo this year? Will he be much of an addition?

Title: Re: International rules
Post by: bennydorano on November 19, 2017, 08:29:55 PM
I really doubt there is any significant financial cost. Ultimately they persist so there is obviously value for money there.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Zulu on November 19, 2017, 08:36:20 PM
What real costs are there tho? Use of GAA Grounds (probably free), use of DCU facilities, facilitated by a few already contracted coaches / officials, the cost of a few Business class plane Tickets - probably freebies from Emirates who are involved as Sponsors.

There would be a lot of costs involved in organising these things. Not to mention staff employed in organising these events and other such things.

Players then get salaries and the majority of them don't make it.

The no of players making it in a niche sport such as Aussie rules is pretty disappointing. I just don't really see much of a result out of the Aussies putting in so much endeavour, maybe the results will change now - Glass and McKenna seem to have made the breakthrough this year but Tuohy and Hanley is a very disappointing return from the no of players who have gone over in the past 10 years.

Willl the younger Hanley head back to Mayo this year? Will he be much of an addition?

I'd imagine professional sport organisations are well capable of assessing the value of these things so the fact they continue is clearly evidence that they are worthwhile. Besides there is a pretty good level of success for Irish kids and it will probably grow as our players go over with a better level of fitness and awareness of nutrition etc.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on November 19, 2017, 09:06:24 PM
I really doubt there is any significant financial cost. Ultimately they persist so there is obviously value for money there.

It's not as if the AFL is the English Premier League. There's not a limitless pool of money and the success rate of GAA player in AFL is pretty poor to be honest.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Zulu on November 19, 2017, 09:11:35 PM
I really doubt there is any significant financial cost. Ultimately they persist so there is obviously value for money there.

It's not as if the AFL is the English Premier League. There's not a limitless pool of money and the success rate of GAA player in AFL is pretty poor to be honest.

Why are you arguing something that is clearly wrong? AFL teams have money and they, unlike you, will have all the facts and figures as well so if they are continuing to invest in Irish players they obviously feel they are getting a worthwhile return. The success rate of Irish players is surely quite high?
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: 6th sam on November 19, 2017, 09:51:56 PM
I really doubt there is any significant financial cost. Ultimately they persist so there is obviously value for money there.

It's not as if the AFL is the English Premier League. There's not a limitless pool of money and the success rate of GAA player in AFL is pretty poor to be honest.

Good luck to any player who chooses to go down the professional path, and there are certainly less risky and potentially more sustainable and more lucrative options than the comparatively higher risk, lesser return of AFL. In the time that a tiny number have had sustainable benefit from AFL, several more GAA  players have succeeeded at Rugby, and many at soccer (which is less attritional and can be extremely lucrative , even at relatively modest levels in the UK).
I think it's interesting that the most succesful county currently , which has many players commited to an elite level, appears to have rejected the Rules series...and I can see where they are coming from. Their players have carved out extremely successful playing careers, and also employment, sponsorship or business opportunities at home. They also appear to have an admirable sense of loyalty to the clubs who put them on this succesful path. Why would they jeopardise all these for a highly risky "made-up" sport, away from their familes and their friends and clubs after another prolonged season. In addition, their continued success means they'll already be getting a team holiday anyway, so i'd imagine they would have difficulty justifying 2 weeks Down Under.
Clubs are already under pressure due to financial, governance and demographic stressors, and anyone's entitled to go Down under  if they want , but the GAA should work on  promoting and creating opportunities  at home , as opposed to giving AFL and Australia a leg-up. We don't do it with soccer and rugby , or vice versa, so why this bizarre relationship with AFL? There are clear yet controversial GAA rules re relationships with other sports, yet not AFL, which doesn't make sense to me. The Rules game has been plagued by controversey and in many cases disrespect from Australia, over several years. There are so many negatives , and with the new fixture calendar on the way for 2018, it's time to pull the plug on it, in my opinion.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: macdanger2 on November 19, 2017, 10:14:00 PM
What real costs are there tho? Use of GAA Grounds (probably free), use of DCU facilities, facilitated by a few already contracted coaches / officials, the cost of a few Business class plane Tickets - probably freebies from Emirates who are involved as Sponsors.

There would be a lot of costs involved in organising these things. Not to mention staff employed in organising these events and other such things.

Players then get salaries and the majority of them don't make it.

The no of players making it in a niche sport such as Aussie rules is pretty disappointing. I just don't really see much of a result out of the Aussies putting in so much endeavour, maybe the results will change now - Glass and McKenna seem to have made the breakthrough this year but Tuohy and Hanley is a very disappointing return from the no of players who have gone over in the past 10 years.

Willl the younger Hanley head back to Mayo this year? Will he be much of an addition?


He's being re-signed by Brisbane for at least one more year
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on November 19, 2017, 10:27:42 PM
I really doubt there is any significant financial cost. Ultimately they persist so there is obviously value for money there.

It's not as if the AFL is the English Premier League. There's not a limitless pool of money and the success rate of GAA player in AFL is pretty poor to be honest.

Why are you arguing something that is clearly wrong? AFL teams have money and they, unlike you, will have all the facts and figures as well so if they are continuing to invest in Irish players they obviously feel they are getting a worthwhile return. The success rate of Irish players is surely quite high?

They don't have THAT much money?

It's an niche sport in a country that does not have a gigantic population and has plenty of competition within sport. I just don't think they're pillaging of GAA for talent has had much success from their end. If I was a footballer from Dublin or Kerry I think pursuing a GAA career with either of those counties will prove more financially secure. You'll be sorted with a handy job for life, will cream it in on promotional activities and probably get more enjoyment and success out of the game. You can maybe understand lads from weaker counties going over when they knew there is a limit from what they can gain from their profile regardless of how good they are but that's a different argument.

The AFL are regularly taking about 4/5 lads over a year and very few of them are making any sort of tangible impact of game. It's not the English Premier League, it's not a sport that is absolutely flooded with money and has global appeal. I think it's a pretty fruitless endeavor from the Australian point of view.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Ohtoohtobe on November 19, 2017, 11:07:37 PM
To me the series underlines that claims that our top footballers train to the level of professional athletes is bullsh*t. We looked really good at the start of both games, but were swamped by the end by a team playing with an alien ball.
I'm not having a go at our players, they can't be expected to hold down a job and reach the top level of conditioning. But they also can't cod themselves that they're superfit - or jump down Jerry Kiernan's throat when he states the obvious.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Syferus on November 19, 2017, 11:15:11 PM
To me the series underlines that claims that our top footballers train to the level of professional athletes is bullsh*t. We looked really good at the start of both games, but were swamped by the end by a team playing with an alien ball.
I'm not having a go at our players, they can't be expected to hold down a job and reach the top level of conditioning. But they also can't cod themselves that they're superfit - or jump down Jerry Kiernan's throat when he states the obvious.

We won the series last time, against a better team of Australians.

Australian summers, a lack of players from our best team and a vomiting bug had more to do with our lads fading as any conditioning issues. Please stop trying to mould events to suit a narrative you clearly wanted something to fit into beforehand.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: 6th sam on November 19, 2017, 11:32:17 PM
To me the series underlines that claims that our top footballers train to the level of professional athletes is bullsh*t. We looked really good at the start of both games, but were swamped by the end by a team playing with an alien ball.
I'm not having a go at our players, they can't be expected to hold down a job and reach the top level of conditioning. But they also can't cod themselves that they're superfit - or jump down Jerry Kiernan's throat when he states the obvious.

We won the series last time, against a better team of Australians.

Australian summers, a lack of players from our best team and a vomiting bug had more to do with our lads fading as any conditioning issues. Please stop trying to mould events to suit a narrative you clearly wanted something to fit into beforehand.

fair points re playing success in the series itself.
My points are  nothing to do with our ability to beat the Australians in a made-up sport, it's about contributing to  promoting another sport which has robbed us of some of our best talent. More importantly exposing amateur GAA players to increased risk of injury in an unfamiliar, highly attritional contact sport against heavier ,presumably better conditioned full time top professionals. Even junior club GAA pre-seasons are at least 6-8 weeks long , progressively exposing Players to equip them for the rigours and risks of a game they are familiar with , against fellow amateurs with a similar level of conditioning. Yet with the rules concept , with minimal prep, we are exposing them to the unfamiliar rigours and risks of this sport against full timers, who are usually much heavier and more cynical.  it's indefensible and we need to wise up!
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Rawhide on November 19, 2017, 11:37:50 PM
Was Tyrone’s Conor Mc Kenna playing?
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: From the Bunker on November 19, 2017, 11:42:06 PM
To me the series underlines that claims that our top footballers train to the level of professional athletes is bullsh*t. We looked really good at the start of both games, but were swamped by the end by a team playing with an alien ball.
I'm not having a go at our players, they can't be expected to hold down a job and reach the top level of conditioning. But they also can't cod themselves that they're superfit - or jump down Jerry Kiernan's throat when he states the obvious.

We won the series last time, against a better team of Australians.

Australian summers, a lack of players from our best team and a vomiting bug had more to do with our lads fading as any conditioning issues. Please stop trying to mould events to suit a narrative you clearly wanted something to fit into beforehand.

fair points re playing success in the series itself.
My points are  nothing to do with our ability to beat the Australians in a made-up sport, it's about contributing to  promoting another sport which has robbed us of some of our best talent. More importantly exposing amateur GAA players to increased risk of sport in an unfamiliar, highly attritional contact sport against heavier ,presumably better conditioned full time top professionals. Even junior club GAA pre-seasons are at least 6-8 weeks long , progressively exposing Players to equip them for the rigours and risks of a game they are familiar with , against fellow amateurs with a similar level of conditioning. Yet with the rules concept , with minimal prep, we are exposing them to the unfamiliar rigours and risks of this sport against full timers, who are usually much heavier and more cynical.  it's indefensible and we need to wise up!


Fear maith - It's all well and good going gung-ho into this rubbish. Our lads who are lesser conditioned can end up with a knock that can maybe not end their career but can impair their career in the future. 

GAA people have been watching to much of the Toughest Trade and the shite Sky and AIB - kammy and jeff road to croker (fantasy) telling people in this insular sport how strong and great we are!
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Ohtoohtobe on November 20, 2017, 05:20:44 AM
I wasn't basing my point on the results of the games - I was basing them on the clear evidence in front of my eyes. Even when we win this, we usually fade badly before the end.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: rrhf on November 20, 2017, 05:56:16 AM
Was Tyrone’s Conor Mc Kenna playing?
He’s not Tyrone’s anymore
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: cavanmaniac on November 20, 2017, 10:38:13 AM
My points are nothing to do with our ability to beat the Australians in a made-up sport, it's about contributing to  promoting another sport which has robbed us of some of our best talent. More importantly exposing amateur GAA players to increased risk of injury in an unfamiliar, highly attritional contact sport against heavier ,presumably better conditioned full time top professionals. Even junior club GAA pre-seasons are at least 6-8 weeks long , progressively exposing Players to equip them for the rigours and risks of a game they are familiar with , against fellow amateurs with a similar level of conditioning. Yet with the rules concept , with minimal prep, we are exposing them to the unfamiliar rigours and risks of this sport against full timers, who are usually much heavier and more cynical.  it's indefensible and we need to wise up!

Some people just hate this concept and that's fair enough, I used to really enjoy it whereas now I watch it and forget about it quick enough without getting too exercised, but I think you're running away with yourself a wee bit in the rhetoric stakes above.

Your alluding to 'highly attritional' and the 'rigours' and the 'risks' might have had a shred of truth about ten years ago when Aussie pole-axing was defintely de rigeur, but these days the series is largely sanitised. So much so that another chief argument of some detractors, only partly tongue-in-cheek, is that there's never any fighting any more. This in itself is used as a further stick by other detractors, tongue-not-in-cheek, to beat the concept a little more, because if people only watched it for the rows that don't happen any more, then surely we should get rid of it to hell.

The hit on Barrett aside (which was nasty, yes, but occurred in isolation, the forearm by Fyfe near the sideline looked worse than it was I think), there's seldom anything happens these days to start jumping up and down about, and anything that does happen frequently has equivalents occurring on our own playing fields anyway. You'll probably argue the toss about that but before you do, ask yourself simply and calmly whether our own players would genuinely play this game so willingly and as earnestly as we saw at the weekend if they felt they were risking life and limb or a career-ending injury every time they step on the field? Or are they all raving lunatics with barely a scrap of cop on at all at all?

The other notion, that we're promoting another sport and denuding ourselves of our best talent is flat-out farcical, jaded cliche. There's a very limited pool of Grade A, marquee talent in GAA to begin with, and only a further subset of that would be identified by AFL clubs as raw material for their game (Cavanagh yes, Gooch no etc.), and a further subset of that again that actually wants to go over there (Cavanagh no etc.). It's far from the lines shuffling off of coffin ships that you'd have us believe. What's more, what about all the guys who went out and then came home later (there are quite a few) to the actual - heavens above - benefit of their counties and clubs because of the enhanced conditioning and professional environment they had a chance to taste? There are plenty of other positives associated with the series too but they too are well worn at this stage, so I'll spare you, but whatever your read on it, the quality and competitiveness of this year's contests shows that it's a live prospect for the years ahead, the players like it, the brass are behind it so people need to dry their eyes and move on a small bit because it's here to stay.

These doomsday scenarios and dystopian rants every year over a bit of a jolly in the sun over two weekends get on my nerves a bit. There are much bigger and uglier boils much closer to home doing more damage to our game and our players and our efforts would be better directed to addressing those I think.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Rossfan on November 20, 2017, 11:21:48 AM
Good post Cavan.
Some people on this forum seem to expect the Sky to fall at any moment every day of the week.
Negative after negative about everything.
One big question from Saturday - whose ghost hit O'Shea in the face??
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Gold on November 20, 2017, 11:55:14 AM
Good post Cavan.
Some people on this forum seem to expect the Sky to fall at any moment every day of the week.
Negative after negative about everything.
One big question from Saturday - whose ghost hit O'Shea in the face??

Embarrassing
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: heffo on November 20, 2017, 12:31:13 PM
What real costs are there tho? Use of GAA Grounds (probably free), use of DCU facilities, facilitated by a few already contracted coaches / officials, the cost of a few Business class plane Tickets - probably freebies from Emirates who are involved as Sponsors.

Ethihad were GAA sponsors - not any longer.

They might have thrown out a couple of upgrades on the very QT, that was the height of it though.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: tonto1888 on November 20, 2017, 02:30:03 PM
Amusing seeing Big Dick calling out the Dublin players for snubbing the Aussie Rules team and the players kicking up a fuss.

Whatever why you cut it, the entire Dublin contingent opting out was a snub so they’d be better served to stop telling people piss is rain and expecting them to believe it. No one likes them to begin with but they’re really giving no one any reason not to dislike them with craic like this.

Going off to Australia to play professionals without any players from our best and only professional side was obviously a bad start to say the least.

We don't have any professional sides

You just keep telling yourself that. If it makes it easier to believe the lie.

"engaged in a specified activity as one's main paid occupation rather than as an amateur."

That's not any of our players or teams
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: 6th sam on November 20, 2017, 03:07:54 PM
Good post Cavan.
Some people on this forum seem to expect the Sky to fall at any moment every day of the week.
Negative after negative about everything.
One big question from Saturday - whose ghost hit O'Shea in the face??

Reasonable constructive criticism is not negativity.
To try to reinforce the main concern:
It’s the equivalent of the English Amateur rugby league jetting off to New Zealand to play the All blacks in a hybrid game including scrummaging. Wouldn’t happen , crazy stuff! I Wouldn’t glibly dismiss the Barrett assault, such tackles are very rare in Gaelic football , yet they are almost guaranteed in every game of this Rules fiasco, and are committed by ~20stone professional athletes.
 The argument that “ the players like it” - (of course they do, it’s a chance to represent their country on an all expenses trip to the other side of the world ) , does not trump the GAA’s responsibility to look after player safety.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: tonto1888 on November 20, 2017, 03:25:40 PM
Good post Cavan.
Some people on this forum seem to expect the Sky to fall at any moment every day of the week.
Negative after negative about everything.
One big question from Saturday - whose ghost hit O'Shea in the face??

Reasonable constructive criticism is not negativity.
To try to reinforce the main concern:
It’s the equivalent of the English Amateur rugby league jetting off to New Zealand to play the All blacks in a hybrid game including scrummaging. Wouldn’t happen , crazy stuff! I Wouldn’t glibly dismiss the Barrett assault, such tackles are very rare in Gaelic football , yet they are almost guaranteed in every game of this Rules fiasco, and are committed by ~20stone professional athletes.
 The argument that “ the players like it” - (of course they do, it’s a chance to represent their country on an all expenses trip to the other side of the world ) , does not trump the GAA’s responsibility to look after player safety.

maybe I ave missed it but I haven't seen anyone glibly dismiss the tackle on Barrett. It was cowardly and borderline assault in my opinion
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: OgraAnDun on November 20, 2017, 03:57:06 PM
Good post Cavan.
Some people on this forum seem to expect the Sky to fall at any moment every day of the week.
Negative after negative about everything.
One big question from Saturday - whose ghost hit O'Shea in the face??

Reasonable constructive criticism is not negativity.
To try to reinforce the main concern:
It’s the equivalent of the English Amateur rugby league jetting off to New Zealand to play the All blacks in a hybrid game including scrummaging. Wouldn’t happen , crazy stuff! I Wouldn’t glibly dismiss the Barrett assault, such tackles are very rare in Gaelic football , yet they are almost guaranteed in every game of this Rules fiasco, and are committed by ~20stone professional athletes.
 The argument that “ the players like it” - (of course they do, it’s a chance to represent their country on an all expenses trip to the other side of the world ) , does not trump the GAA’s responsibility to look after player safety.

If English rugby league amateurs were heading off on this tour, they wouldn’t be the players at the top of their game. It would be like club GAA players who don’t play county going.

Also, according to my limited research, most AFL players are not anywhere near 20 stone, but instead are in the 80-90kg range.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Rossfan on November 20, 2017, 03:58:34 PM
So how many of our lads were injured?
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Zulu on November 20, 2017, 04:31:00 PM
Good post Cavan.
Some people on this forum seem to expect the Sky to fall at any moment every day of the week.
Negative after negative about everything.
One big question from Saturday - whose ghost hit O'Shea in the face??

Reasonable constructive criticism is not negativity.
To try to reinforce the main concern:
It’s the equivalent of the English Amateur rugby league jetting off to New Zealand to play the All blacks in a hybrid game including scrummaging. Wouldn’t happen , crazy stuff! I Wouldn’t glibly dismiss the Barrett assault, such tackles are very rare in Gaelic football , yet they are almost guaranteed in every game of this Rules fiasco, and are committed by ~20stone professional athletes.
 The argument that “ the players like it” - (of course they do, it’s a chance to represent their country on an all expenses trip to the other side of the world ) , does not trump the GAA’s responsibility to look after player safety.

Ah here 20 stone!! Most of our lads were as big or bigger, certainly no major difference in size between both squads. Cavanmaniac hit the nail on the head and OgraAnDun highlighted the fallacy of your comparison between amateur rugby league players playing the All Blacks.

Look, it's not the most important event in sport but why lads are getting exercised about a game that's liked by players, supporters and is a nice reward for some of our top players, especially those from weaker counties, is bizarre. Like cavanmaniac, I used to really enjoy it but now will watch it and cheer Ireland on but am not too bothered about the result.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Syferus on November 20, 2017, 04:56:33 PM
So how many of our lads were injured?

Australian food was more of a threat to the health of our players than AFL monsters..
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Rossfan on November 20, 2017, 05:03:14 PM
Apart from the phantom who boxed one lad's jaw.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Cunny Funt on November 20, 2017, 05:12:29 PM


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Those 1967 lads were bigger and stronger looking than the current Aussie crop. 20 stone athletes?
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Eamonnca1 on November 20, 2017, 07:25:38 PM
My points are nothing to do with our ability to beat the Australians in a made-up sport, it's about contributing to  promoting another sport which has robbed us of some of our best talent. More importantly exposing amateur GAA players to increased risk of injury in an unfamiliar, highly attritional contact sport against heavier ,presumably better conditioned full time top professionals. Even junior club GAA pre-seasons are at least 6-8 weeks long , progressively exposing Players to equip them for the rigours and risks of a game they are familiar with , against fellow amateurs with a similar level of conditioning. Yet with the rules concept , with minimal prep, we are exposing them to the unfamiliar rigours and risks of this sport against full timers, who are usually much heavier and more cynical.  it's indefensible and we need to wise up!

Some people just hate this concept and that's fair enough, I used to really enjoy it whereas now I watch it and forget about it quick enough without getting too exercised, but I think you're running away with yourself a wee bit in the rhetoric stakes above.

Your alluding to 'highly attritional' and the 'rigours' and the 'risks' might have had a shred of truth about ten years ago when Aussie pole-axing was defintely de rigeur, but these days the series is largely sanitised. So much so that another chief argument of some detractors, only partly tongue-in-cheek, is that there's never any fighting any more. This in itself is used as a further stick by other detractors, tongue-not-in-cheek, to beat the concept a little more, because if people only watched it for the rows that don't happen any more, then surely we should get rid of it to hell.

The hit on Barrett aside (which was nasty, yes, but occurred in isolation, the forearm by Fyfe near the sideline looked worse than it was I think), there's seldom anything happens these days to start jumping up and down about, and anything that does happen frequently has equivalents occurring on our own playing fields anyway. You'll probably argue the toss about that but before you do, ask yourself simply and calmly whether our own players would genuinely play this game so willingly and as earnestly as we saw at the weekend if they felt they were risking life and limb or a career-ending injury every time they step on the field? Or are they all raving lunatics with barely a scrap of cop on at all at all?

The other notion, that we're promoting another sport and denuding ourselves of our best talent is flat-out farcical, jaded cliche. There's a very limited pool of Grade A, marquee talent in GAA to begin with, and only a further subset of that would be identified by AFL clubs as raw material for their game (Cavanagh yes, Gooch no etc.), and a further subset of that again that actually wants to go over there (Cavanagh no etc.). It's far from the lines shuffling off of coffin ships that you'd have us believe. What's more, what about all the guys who went out and then came home later (there are quite a few) to the actual - heavens above - benefit of their counties and clubs because of the enhanced conditioning and professional environment they had a chance to taste? There are plenty of other positives associated with the series too but they too are well worn at this stage, so I'll spare you, but whatever your read on it, the quality and competitiveness of this year's contests shows that it's a live prospect for the years ahead, the players like it, the brass are behind it so people need to dry their eyes and move on a small bit because it's here to stay.

These doomsday scenarios and dystopian rants every year over a bit of a jolly in the sun over two weekends get on my nerves a bit. There are much bigger and uglier boils much closer to home doing more damage to our game and our players and our efforts would be better directed to addressing those I think.

Could not agree more. There's far too much whinging and over-stating of problems in the GAA. Seems like there's scarcely a week that goes by without some clown penning another article predicting the imminent death of hurling or football at a time when the games have never been more popular. A few players, few enough to count on your fingers, go to Australia to try AFL, half of them come back, and there's panic about the "exodus." People need to keep a bit of perspective.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Eamonnca1 on November 20, 2017, 07:29:20 PM
Any harm in talking about the aesthetics of the game? Personally I find it great to watch. Seems to flow a lot better. No pulling and dragging, no blanket defences because of the mark. I say take out the behind posts and incorporate the rest of the rules into GAA football.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: bennydorano on November 20, 2017, 07:48:03 PM
What real costs are there tho? Use of GAA Grounds (probably free), use of DCU facilities, facilitated by a few already contracted coaches / officials, the cost of a few Business class plane Tickets - probably freebies from Emirates who are involved as Sponsors.

Ethihad were GAA sponsors - not any longer.

They might have thrown out a couple of upgrades on the very QT, that was the height of it though.
It was Emirates and the AFL I was referring to.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Jinxy on November 20, 2017, 10:03:19 PM
Any harm in talking about the aesthetics of the game? Personally I find it great to watch. Seems to flow a lot better. No pulling and dragging, no blanket defences because of the mark. I say take out the behind posts and incorporate the rest of the rules into GAA football.

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Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Eamonnca1 on November 20, 2017, 10:41:15 PM
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Title: Re: International rules
Post by: tonto1888 on November 21, 2017, 09:37:25 AM
Any harm in talking about the aesthetics of the game? Personally I find it great to watch. Seems to flow a lot better. No pulling and dragging, no blanket defences because of the mark. I say take out the behind posts and incorporate the rest of the rules into GAA football.

I enjoyed it also and agree with a lot of this. Not sure about the tackle though. However in football we do need a defined tackle
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Rossfan on November 21, 2017, 09:48:27 AM
What sort of tackle would   you suggest?
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: tonto1888 on November 21, 2017, 09:53:01 AM
What sort of tackle would   you suggest?

I don't make the rules. Maybe we already do have a clearly defined tackle but in that case Id like to see it reffed consistently as it seems to be very inconsistent from game to game and within games too. Its frustrating as a fan and must be more so as a player
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Rossfan on November 21, 2017, 10:04:50 AM
Without checking I thing the Treoir refers to tackling as a skill and you can only tackle the ball.
Sure nearly every tackle in practice is technically illegal and every ref seems to have their own interpretation.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: tonto1888 on November 21, 2017, 10:18:57 AM
Without checking I thing the Treoir refers to tackling as a skill and you can only tackle the ball.
Sure nearly every tackle in practice is technically illegal and every ref seems to have their own interpretation.

that's what I mean and I have probably phrased it wrong earlier. Its very frustrating anyway and something I think needs looking at
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Rossfan on November 21, 2017, 10:27:22 AM
Enforce the 4 step rule first.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: tonto1888 on November 21, 2017, 10:32:11 AM
Enforce the 4 step rule first.

that is another frustratingly inconsistent rule
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: sligoman2 on November 21, 2017, 10:49:13 AM
If you enforce the 4 step rule there would be a free every time someone got the ball.  I say increase it to seven steps and enforce it.
I still remember the 12 steps Oconnor took against us this year in Castlebar before scoring a goal.  It is ridiculous.

Agree with the definition of a tackle, I don’t know what you can do as it seems to depend on the ref and not the rule book
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: haranguerer on November 21, 2017, 10:58:38 AM
Enforce the 4 step rule first.

If this was properly enforced many of the problems in the game around contact and the tackle would be eradicated.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: From the Bunker on November 21, 2017, 11:36:05 AM
If you enforce the 4 step rule there would be a free every time someone got the ball.  I say increase it to seven steps and enforce it.
I still remember the 12 steps Oconnor took against us this year in Castlebar before scoring a goal.  It is ridiculous.

Agree with the definition of a tackle, I don’t know what you can do as it seems to depend on the ref and not the rule book

I suppose we had the Karma of Con O’Callaghan doing the same thing to us! :-\
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Esmarelda on November 21, 2017, 12:09:39 PM
If you enforce the 4 step rule there would be a free every time someone got the ball.  I say increase it to seven steps and enforce it.
I still remember the 12 steps Oconnor took against us this year in Castlebar before scoring a goal.  It is ridiculous.

Agree with the definition of a tackle, I don’t know what you can do as it seems to depend on the ref and not the rule book

I suppose we had the Karma of Con O’Callaghan doing the same thing to us! :-\
Replace four steps with three seconds. Simple.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 21, 2017, 01:20:04 PM
Never watched the rules series this year live, I've been away - but I've always liked the concept.

I think the GAA would improve if we adapted the Aussie's tackle, a clear defined tackle would be in the interest of everyone, especially the players. Another upside of this would be an instant end of the death by handpass that seems to be turning people off the game.

Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Syferus on November 21, 2017, 01:40:30 PM
Enforce the 4 step rule first.

The four step rule is easily the stupidest in the sport, which is why it's so regularly fudged.
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: sligoman2 on November 21, 2017, 02:35:58 PM
If you enforce the 4 step rule there would be a free every time someone got the ball.  I say increase it to seven steps and enforce it.
I still remember the 12 steps Oconnor took against us this year in Castlebar before scoring a goal.  It is ridiculous.

Agree with the definition of a tackle, I don’t know what you can do as it seems to depend on the ref and not the rule book

I suppose we had the Karma of Con O’Callaghan doing the same thing to us! :-\

Exactly and it’s not a good feeling...
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: tonto1888 on November 21, 2017, 03:01:36 PM
Enforce the 4 step rule first.

The four step rule is easily the stupidest in the sport, which is why it's so regularly fudged.

Yet it is. And while it is there it should be enforced
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Orchard park on November 21, 2017, 04:52:53 PM
why is it stupid.........its the most ignored rule either code alright........if properly enforced it would eliminate so much dragging and fouling
Title: Re: International rules
Post by: Rossfan on November 21, 2017, 06:36:03 PM
The 4 step rule is from the days football was a propelling game - you caught the ball,  and couple of steps to make space and settle and then let it off.
No you get the ball and keep it for dear life while players lunge or maul at you until the ref gives you a free (or very occasionally pull you for over carrying to everyone's puzzlement).

Title: Re: International rules
Post by: magpie seanie on November 21, 2017, 11:41:08 PM
If players can't use the ball within 4 steps they've no business being on a pitch. Being able to run away from/through people has meant lads with poor skill levels but strength and athleticism can survive. The abuse/misapplication of this rule is the single biggest factor in the complete change in the nature of the game of gaelic football.

I hadn't watched the international rules for many year but a few things struck me:

1) the speed with which the Aussies handpassed the ball. Not just the pace carrying the ball but their hand speed and quickness of transfer. Way ahead of anything I've ever seen in gaelic football. This really surprised me.

2) the accuracy of the Aussies kick passing in comparison to ours. Not as surprised by this - anecdotally this has been referred to and so when I saw the evidence wasn't hugely surprised.

3) the fitness levels of the Aussies are off the charts. To be expected but I had liked to think it wasn't as much of a gap.

I was pleasantly surprised that the game was beeter to watch than I'd remembered but frustrated at the naiveté and poor skill levels by some of our players.

Overall though I was just watching to see my clubmate Niall Murphy. Delighted he did reasonably well.....we're very proud of him.