Super 8s

[omagh_gael]

Seriously lads, this is what's in the proposal. Why are so many commenting without reading. The hysteria is bad enough without looking for what's already been agreed upon.

As far as I'm aware, nothing has been agreed upon as regards when the provincial championships will start, or the gaps between matches.

Flesh also has to be put upon the bones of how it will affect the hurling championship, ie. will the two All-Ireland hurling semi-finals be played on the same weekend - hurling people may not be happy with losing a high profile weekend through no fault of their own.

Remember, the hurling championship remains unchanged in format, and there will still be replays. This then can have a knock on impact on football.

There are a number of questions that are still to be answered.

Well it might need to be rubber-stamped but it is all outlined in the proposal document.

Was this included in the super 8 proposal? If so I missed the element that pertained to compressing the provincials. Do you've a link?

[Rossfan]

HAD OF BEEN ..

Black Card.

Does the extra time provision not apply to the hurley shtuff? ?

[sid waddell]

Seriously lads, this is what's in the proposal. Why are so many commenting without reading. The hysteria is bad enough without looking for what's already been agreed upon.

As far as I'm aware, nothing has been agreed upon as regards when the provincial championships will start, or the gaps between matches.

Flesh also has to be put upon the bones of how it will affect the hurling championship, ie. will the two All-Ireland hurling semi-finals be played on the same weekend - hurling people may not be happy with losing a high profile weekend through no fault of their own.

Remember, the hurling championship remains unchanged in format, and there will still be replays. This then can have a knock on impact on football.

There are a number of questions that are still to be answered.

Well it might need to be rubber-stamped but it is all outlined in the proposal document.

The proposal document is very much a bare bones document.

Apart from stating that the All-Ireland finals will take place on unspecified dates in August (which is actually Motion 5, not Motion 4), it states very little about scheduling.

Apart from its complete lack of information about provincial scheduling, another thing it doesn't state, is whether there will still be a two week gap between the hurling and football finals, or whether they will be on successive weeks.

This is all Motion 4 on the official document says about scheduling. Motion 5 deals with moving the All-Ireland finals to August.

Although it's widely believed the All-Ireland football semi-finals will take place on the same weekend and that the three rounds of the Super 8 will take place on successive weekends, I don't see anything official about it.

http://www.gaa.ie/mm/Document/TheGAA/Publications/13/61/46/AnChomhdh%C3%A1ilBhliant%C3%BAil2017-R%C3%BAindonChomhdh%C3%A1il_English.pdf

(1) Scheduling
Qualifier Games shall be played on Saturdays/Sundays as deemed
appropriate by the Central Competitions Control Committee, but
the Schedule of Games shall avoid conflict with the Provincial
Championships schedules (including Replays), and shall also allow
sufficient dates for Club Championship fixtures. Consideration
shall be given to the dual involvement of Counties in both Hurling
and Football, and, where feasible, avoid the same weekend.
Provincial Runners-Up shall be allowed, where feasible, a
thirteen-day gap between their Provincial Final and their
participation in the All-Ireland Qualifier Series.
All Games in each Round of the All-Ireland Qualifier Series shall
be played over not more than two consecutive weekends, save in
exceptional circumstances.

[Esmarelda]

Omagh gael, the proposal was all the one until they decided to split it out into three, probably fearing that the Super 8 might stop the whole thing from getting through. This is the link to the original document which has been in circulation for several months now http://www.gaa.ie/mm/Document/GaaIe/GAANews/13/41/92/FootballRevisionProposalA4SPREADSSCpdf_English.pdf

Appendix 2 shows how they saw the new schedule.

Sid, are you talking about a different document as the hurling schedule is contained here too as well as the provincials.

[Zulu]

Surely these proposals will actually be good for club football
Yes there will be a lot of county games in July / August
But that's no different from now. ( with most of the weaker counties knocked out by that stage anyway) 
The fact that the season is over the last week in August
Allows the club season to effectively be played in September / October / November
Surely that is a much better alternative than what's in place now.

Also the Dubs will have to play two championship games away from Croke Park
Which will add a lot of interesting games. The likes of Kerry won't have a cake walk to the
Final every year oi they had to go away to Ballybofey or somewhere.
The only thing that's missing is atwo tiered structure with the second tier  playing final at All Ire final.
Overall I think it's actually a better deal for club players
As the club championships will take place in sept/ Oct/ Dec no matter what

This line made me smile! Do you honestly think that they (the GAA Hierarchy)will have Dublin playing outside Croker in the Championship? You are really naive if you think that. Think about it? This has more games in Croker written all over it!

That's complete nonsense. Talk about fake news!! It's in the motion that each team gets one home game so it's impossible for the Dublin to play all three games at home unless the home team gives up home advantage and I doubt many would do that. In fairness, lads are giving out about this on numerous fronts but giving out about something that won't happen is pretty daft.

[Zulu]

HAD OF BEEN ..

Black Card.

Does the extra time provision not apply to the hurley shtuff? ?

ET applies to both codes.

[seafoid]

It'll be the GAA vs a lot of players

[rosnarun]

A Lot this is a high Pissing Contest  or a battle for control for the Gaa depending on how dramatic you are .
The only real objection the CPA and GPA have to the super 8 /championship changes wass that they were ignored in the formulation of it . If the CPA had come up with it and got it through congress it would have been seen as a massive coup .

[From the Bunker]

Surely these proposals will actually be good for club football
Yes there will be a lot of county games in July / August
But that's no different from now. ( with most of the weaker counties knocked out by that stage anyway) 
The fact that the season is over the last week in August
Allows the club season to effectively be played in September / October / November
Surely that is a much better alternative than what's in place now.

Also the Dubs will have to play two championship games away from Croke Park
Which will add a lot of interesting games. The likes of Kerry won't have a cake walk to the
Final every year oi they had to go away to Ballybofey or somewhere.
The only thing that's missing is atwo tiered structure with the second tier  playing final at All Ire final.
Overall I think it's actually a better deal for club players
As the club championships will take place in sept/ Oct/ Dec no matter what

This line made me smile! Do you honestly think that they (the GAA Hierarchy)will have Dublin playing outside Croker in the Championship? You are really naive if you think that. Think about it? This has more games in Croker written all over it!

That's complete nonsense. Talk about fake news!! It's in the motion that each team gets one home game so it's impossible for the Dublin to play all three games at home unless the home team gives up home advantage and I doubt many would do that. In fairness, lads are giving out about this on numerous fronts but giving out about something that won't happen is pretty daft.

They played a first round Leinster Championship game. The GAA in 2014 would not let Mayo /Kerry replay be played in Croker just in case the Dublin/Donegal semi final game ended in a draw!

Corporate Boxes, Sky TV, Dublin Media, Dublin fans, Sponsors, etc will bay for games in the Capital. They might let Dublin down to the sticks if the game is a dead rubber. Which more likely would be the third game.

This is a Corporate entity we are dealing with. They are interested in maximising making money. They care little about the supporter or the players involved. They are just entities to be used in maximising profits. The (fake) Amateur umbrella they hide under is convenient for high moral ground when standing against other sports.

[sid waddell]

Omagh gael, the proposal was all the one until they decided to split it out into three, probably fearing that the Super 8 might stop the whole thing from getting through. This is the link to the original document which has been in circulation for several months now http://www.gaa.ie/mm/Document/GaaIe/GAANews/13/41/92/FootballRevisionProposalA4SPREADSSCpdf_English.pdf

Appendix 2 shows how they saw the new schedule.

Sid, are you talking about a different document as the hurling schedule is contained here too as well as the provincials.

Sorry, I hadn't seen that document.

I do see a weakness straight off in the proposed schedule.

Group 1 of the Super 8 gets a week's rest after the first fixture, whereas Group 2 doesn't - they have to play for three consecutive weeks.

As both All-Ireland semi-finals are to be played on the same weekend, which is the weekend immediately following the conclusion of the Super 8, this would mean that the teams that qualify for the semi-finals from Group 2 would be playing for the fourth week in a row, whereas their opponents would only be playing for the third week in a row.

That's a clear advantage to teams in Group 1, which coincidentally, Dublin are in. 

[Rossfan]

Why can't they play the 2 groups the same weekend - 2 games Saturday, 2 Sunday.

[Esmarelda]

Omagh gael, the proposal was all the one until they decided to split it out into three, probably fearing that the Super 8 might stop the whole thing from getting through. This is the link to the original document which has been in circulation for several months now http://www.gaa.ie/mm/Document/GaaIe/GAANews/13/41/92/FootballRevisionProposalA4SPREADSSCpdf_English.pdf

Appendix 2 shows how they saw the new schedule.

Sid, are you talking about a different document as the hurling schedule is contained here too as well as the provincials.

Sorry, I hadn't seen that document.

I do see a weakness straight off in the proposed schedule.

Group 1 of the Super 8 gets a week's rest after the first fixture, whereas Group 2 doesn't - they have to play for three consecutive weeks.

As both All-Ireland semi-finals are to be played on the same weekend, which is the weekend immediately following the conclusion of the Super 8, this would mean that the teams that qualify for the semi-finals from Group 2 would be playing for the fourth week in a row, whereas their opponents would only be playing for the third week in a row.

That's a clear advantage to teams in Group 1, which coincidentally, Dublin are in. 

Not having a go at you, but I'd say you're in the majority of posters that haven't read the document.

Moyles and Burns debating it on Newtalk now and it's civil but highlights the depths of problems that exist; so many people and groups of people with a seemingly endless list of issues.

[Jinxy]

In fairness to Jarlath, I'd agree with him about the GPA dropping the ball on this one.
Had months to consult their membership and thrash out some of the issues.
Instead, just asked them for a straight 'Yes/No' answer a couple of weeks ago.

[Zulu]

The discussion here is mirrored nationally and just underlines why congress were right to pass this. There is no proposal that will make everyone happy and be get passed in congress. Given the need to retain the provincials then the super 8's is as good an option as any. Reading the players criticism on twitter was revealing because solving some players issues would only make other players issues worse. Again, highlighting the impossible position the GAA are in.

[From the Bunker]

God, the amount of Arse licking on this thread would make you sick. This is the beginning of semi-pro. What Dublin are already. As I said earlier. Dublin will play all their games at home in Croker. The spin (to use the pun) of them travelling to Ballybofey is for those on cloud cocoo land. Asking lads who have jobs to tog out nearly every week in July and August is really taking advantage. But hey Sky sports will be happy and corporate boxes have to be used and abused.