Just watching our Girls on the TV playing India in the World Cup QF.
Anyway, my girl who play Camoige asks me ''What game is that?''
''Hockey'' I tell her!
To which she reply's ''It's looks like it's (Hockey) to Soccer what Hurling is to Gaelic football!''
Nice win there for the girls.....
From Coleraine camog to Ireland hockey captain
https://www.irishnews.com/sport/hurlingandcamogie/2018/07/31/news/from-coleraine-camog-to-ireland-hockey-captain-1394830/
Ger Canning knowledge on a part with his GAA knowledge.
/Jim.
Never knew it was so hard to score a penalty in hockey.
The girls did good. Great penalty by Meeke
#hockeyscominghome
Where does the bandwagon leave from?
And England are out.
Quote from: trailer on August 02, 2018, 09:25:51 PM
Where does the bandwagon leave from?
Right lads all the info you need is here.
http://www.hockey.ie/player/?profile=senior-women-squad (http://www.hockey.ie/player/?profile=senior-women-squad)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_hockey (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_hockey)
Been watching hockey (women's) for over 10 years, kids play for Ulster Elks and school, the standard at senior level is top class, turning your hand to hockey from a hurling background may seem easy but it's harder that you think do hats off to the Coleraine girl!
Isn't it an all-Ireland team? Same as Cricket? Soccer seems to be a bit of an outlier in Irish sport with the partition thing.
Sadly I think the Dutch will rip whoever reaches the final to bits. Good luck tho girls.
Quote from: Over the Bar on August 03, 2018, 12:35:10 AM
Sadly I think the Dutch will rip whoever reaches the final to bits. Good luck tho girls.
The Dutch play professionally and in the Olympics they were favourites but the GB team beat them in a thrilling game.. but from what I've read they are flying at the minute
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Quote from: Over the Bar on August 03, 2018, 12:35:10 AM
Sadly I think the Dutch will rip whoever reaches the final to bits. Good luck tho girls.
The Dutch play professionally and in the Olympics they were favourites but the GB team beat them in a thrilling game.. but from what I've read they are flying at the minute
The Dutch are my 2nd favourite team after the Irish.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 02, 2018, 11:29:47 PM
Isn't it an all-Ireland team? Same as Cricket? Soccer seems to be a bit of an outlier in Irish sport with the partition thing.
Didn't some NI women play with GB in Olympics?
Quote from: mrdeeds on August 03, 2018, 09:04:21 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 02, 2018, 11:29:47 PM
Isn't it an all-Ireland team? Same as Cricket? Soccer seems to be a bit of an outlier in Irish sport with the partition thing.
Didn't some NI women play with GB in Olympics?
Not one of winning Olympic team was from N.I. or Wales or Scotland for that matter I think.. But it is team GB and N.I
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Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 02, 2018, 11:29:47 PM
Isn't it an all-Ireland team? Same as Cricket? Soccer seems to be a bit of an outlier in Irish sport with the partition thing.
Didn't some NI women play with GB in Olympics?
Not one of winning Olympic team was from N.I. or Wales or Scotland for that matter I think.. But it is team GB and N.I
May have been at token panelist somewhere
It was four on GB men's olympic team even though Ireland qualified.
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Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 02, 2018, 11:29:47 PM
Isn't it an all-Ireland team? Same as Cricket? Soccer seems to be a bit of an outlier in Irish sport with the partition thing.
Didn't some NI women play with GB in Olympics?
Not one of winning Olympic team was from N.I. or Wales or Scotland for that matter I think.. But it is team GB and N.I
May have been at token panelist somewhere
Don't think so, I watched all their games that summer and can't remember my kids saying there was ones from here on the panel/team
Quote from: mrdeeds on August 03, 2018, 09:35:22 AM
It was four on GB men's olympic team even though Ireland qualified.
Gleghorne brothers from Antrim played in Rio, one for GB and one for Ireland.
Quote from: mrdeeds on August 03, 2018, 09:35:22 AM
It was four on GB men's olympic team even though Ireland qualified.
I thought we were talking womens hockey, my mistake.
Could they not get on the panel? or did a Barry mcguigan?
Hockey produces its fair share of stunners!
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 02, 2018, 11:29:47 PM
Isn't it an all-Ireland team? Same as Cricket? Soccer seems to be a bit of an outlier in Irish sport with the partition thing.
It's interesting that sports that have traditionally been associated with Unionism such as rugby, hockey and cricket are played on All Ireland basis.
Then the most oirishy of them all, soccer, is partitioned, despite the green flag waving, cheering leprechauns and plastic Paddy-ism.
Quote from: Ash Smoker on August 03, 2018, 02:45:05 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 02, 2018, 11:29:47 PM
Isn't it an all-Ireland team? Same as Cricket? Soccer seems to be a bit of an outlier in Irish sport with the partition thing.
It's interesting that sports that have traditionally been associated with Unionism such as rugby, hockey and cricket are played on All Ireland basis.
Then the most oirishy of them all, soccer, is partitioned, despite the green flag waving, cheering leprechauns and plastic Paddy-ism.
The FAI were the spliters
Quote from: Ash Smoker on August 03, 2018, 02:45:05 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 02, 2018, 11:29:47 PM
Isn't it an all-Ireland team? Same as Cricket? Soccer seems to be a bit of an outlier in Irish sport with the partition thing.
It's interesting that sports that have traditionally been associated with Unionism such as rugby, hockey and cricket are played on All Ireland basis.
Then the most oirishy of them all, soccer, is partitioned, despite the green flag waving, cheering leprechauns and plastic Paddy-ism.
They're only really associated with unionism in the North though, at least hockey and rugby are. The Catholic order schools in the south are the nurseries for both hockey and rugby.
Quote from: Ash Smoker on August 03, 2018, 02:45:05 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 02, 2018, 11:29:47 PM
Isn't it an all-Ireland team? Same as Cricket? Soccer seems to be a bit of an outlier in Irish sport with the partition thing.
It's interesting that sports that have traditionally been associated with Unionism such as rugby, hockey and cricket are played on All Ireland basis.
Then the most oirishy of them all, soccer, is partitioned, despite the green flag waving, cheering leprechauns and plastic Paddy-ism.
The other option was an 'Irish' side based in Belfast under the U jack and GSTQ. Do you think the Leinster FA were wrong to split?
Quote from: Ash Smoker on August 03, 2018, 02:45:05 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 02, 2018, 11:29:47 PM
Isn't it an all-Ireland team? Same as Cricket? Soccer seems to be a bit of an outlier in Irish sport with the partition thing.
It's interesting that sports that have traditionally been associated with Unionism such as rugby, hockey and cricket are played on All Ireland basis.
Then the most oirishy of them all, soccer, is partitioned, despite the green flag waving, cheering leprechauns and plastic Paddy-ism.
There aren't enough Unionists to make a successful international team in any sport. Including soccer.
I hope the hockeyers win the semi-final.
Quote from: SHEEDY on August 02, 2018, 07:51:04 PM
Never knew it was so hard to score a penalty in hockey.
I'd score with any of that team.
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Quote from: Ash Smoker on August 03, 2018, 02:45:05 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 02, 2018, 11:29:47 PM
Isn't it an all-Ireland team? Same as Cricket? Soccer seems to be a bit of an outlier in Irish sport with the partition thing.
It's interesting that sports that have traditionally been associated with Unionism such as rugby, hockey and cricket are played on All Ireland basis.
Then the most oirishy of them all, soccer, is partitioned, despite the green flag waving, cheering leprechauns and plastic Paddy-ism.
The other option was an 'Irish' side based in Belfast under the U jack and GSTQ. Do you think the Leinster FA were wrong to split?
Rugby was the same. In fact pretty sure when we won Grand Slam in 1948, God Save the Queen was still played. But the team eventually transitioned out of that. Do people today regret the rugby team didn't split like soccer?
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Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 02, 2018, 11:29:47 PM
Isn't it an all-Ireland team? Same as Cricket? Soccer seems to be a bit of an outlier in Irish sport with the partition thing.
It's interesting that sports that have traditionally been associated with Unionism such as rugby, hockey and cricket are played on All Ireland basis.
Then the most oirishy of them all, soccer, is partitioned, despite the green flag waving, cheering leprechauns and plastic Paddy-ism.
The other option was an 'Irish' side based in Belfast under the U jack and GSTQ. Do you think the Leinster FA were wrong to split?
Rugby was the same. In fact pretty sure when we won Grand Slam in 1948, God Save the Queen was still played. But the team eventually transitioned out of that. Do people today regret the rugby team didn't split like soccer?
Yeah people much prefer partition, especially if you're from the south
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Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 03, 2018, 05:03:42 PM
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Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 02, 2018, 11:29:47 PM
Isn't it an all-Ireland team? Same as Cricket? Soccer seems to be a bit of an outlier in Irish sport with the partition thing.
It's interesting that sports that have traditionally been associated with Unionism such as rugby, hockey and cricket are played on All Ireland basis.
Then the most oirishy of them all, soccer, is partitioned, despite the green flag waving, cheering leprechauns and plastic Paddy-ism.
The other option was an 'Irish' side based in Belfast under the U jack and GSTQ. Do you think the Leinster FA were wrong to split?
Rugby was the same. In fact pretty sure when we won Grand Slam in 1948, God Save the Queen was still played. But the team eventually transitioned out of that. Do people today regret the rugby team didn't split like soccer?
Do you think it would have been as easy to win round the Linfield and no Sunday games set?
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Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 02, 2018, 11:29:47 PM
Isn't it an all-Ireland team? Same as Cricket? Soccer seems to be a bit of an outlier in Irish sport with the partition thing.
It's interesting that sports that have traditionally been associated with Unionism such as rugby, hockey and cricket are played on All Ireland basis.
Then the most oirishy of them all, soccer, is partitioned, despite the green flag waving, cheering leprechauns and plastic Paddy-ism.
The other option was an 'Irish' side based in Belfast under the U jack and GSTQ. Do you think the Leinster FA were wrong to split?
Rugby was the same. In fact pretty sure when we won Grand Slam in 1948, God Save the Queen was still played. But the team eventually transitioned out of that. Do people today regret the rugby team didn't split like soccer?
Yeah people much prefer partition, especially if you're from the south
Sigh.
I doubt many southern soccer lads like partiton, but look at what they would be merging with. Gaelic games and rugby dont have those knuckledraggers to contend with.
Quote from: seafoid on August 03, 2018, 05:10:02 PM
Quote from: Ash Smoker on August 03, 2018, 02:45:05 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 02, 2018, 11:29:47 PM
Isn't it an all-Ireland team? Same as Cricket? Soccer seems to be a bit of an outlier in Irish sport with the partition thing.
It's interesting that sports that have traditionally been associated with Unionism such as rugby, hockey and cricket are played on All Ireland basis.
Then the most oirishy of them all, soccer, is partitioned, despite the green flag waving, cheering leprechauns and plastic Paddy-ism.
There aren't enough Unionists to make a successful international team in any sport. Including soccer.
NI soccer team has qualified for same number of World Cups as ROI team and progressed to Quarter Final in 58 and equivalent of QF in 82. Not all Unionists obviously, but you get my drift!
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Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 02, 2018, 11:29:47 PM
Isn't it an all-Ireland team? Same as Cricket? Soccer seems to be a bit of an outlier in Irish sport with the partition thing.
It's interesting that sports that have traditionally been associated with Unionism such as rugby, hockey and cricket are played on All Ireland basis.
Then the most oirishy of them all, soccer, is partitioned, despite the green flag waving, cheering leprechauns and plastic Paddy-ism.
The other option was an 'Irish' side based in Belfast under the U jack and GSTQ. Do you think the Leinster FA were wrong to split?
Rugby was the same. In fact pretty sure when we won Grand Slam in 1948, God Save the Queen was still played. But the team eventually transitioned out of that. Do people today regret the rugby team didn't split like soccer?
Yeah people much prefer partition, especially if you're from the south
Sigh.
I doubt many southern soccer lads like partiton, but look at what they would be merging with. Gaelic games and rugby dont have those knuckledraggers to contend with.
There is a large crossover between NI football and Ireland Rugby fans - Showing your ignorance / prejudice with knuckledraggers comment.
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Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 02, 2018, 11:29:47 PM
Isn't it an all-Ireland team? Same as Cricket? Soccer seems to be a bit of an outlier in Irish sport with the partition thing.
It's interesting that sports that have traditionally been associated with Unionism such as rugby, hockey and cricket are played on All Ireland basis.
Then the most oirishy of them all, soccer, is partitioned, despite the green flag waving, cheering leprechauns and plastic Paddy-ism.
The other option was an 'Irish' side based in Belfast under the U jack and GSTQ. Do you think the Leinster FA were wrong to split?
Rugby was the same. In fact pretty sure when we won Grand Slam in 1948, God Save the Queen was still played. But the team eventually transitioned out of that. Do people today regret the rugby team didn't split like soccer?
Yeah people much prefer partition, especially if you're from the south
Sigh.
I doubt many southern soccer lads like partiton, but look at what they would be merging with. Gaelic games and rugby dont have those knuckledraggers to contend with.
There is a large crossover between NI football and Ireland Rugby fans - Showing your ignorance / prejudice with knuckledraggers comment.
Not really. You think telling Billy the Glens fan that his national side is gone, they now play in Dublin under a tricolour and AnF and he has to visit the Brandywell and Tallaght to get his bollix kicked in will be an easy sell? Nay bother etc? Come on.
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Quote from: weareros on August 03, 2018, 09:06:30 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 03, 2018, 05:03:42 PM
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Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 02, 2018, 11:29:47 PM
Isn't it an all-Ireland team? Same as Cricket? Soccer seems to be a bit of an outlier in Irish sport with the partition thing.
It's interesting that sports that have traditionally been associated with Unionism such as rugby, hockey and cricket are played on All Ireland basis.
Then the most oirishy of them all, soccer, is partitioned, despite the green flag waving, cheering leprechauns and plastic Paddy-ism.
The other option was an 'Irish' side based in Belfast under the U jack and GSTQ. Do you think the Leinster FA were wrong to split?
Rugby was the same. In fact pretty sure when we won Grand Slam in 1948, God Save the Queen was still played. But the team eventually transitioned out of that. Do people today regret the rugby team didn't split like soccer?
Yeah people much prefer partition, especially if you're from the south
Sigh.
I doubt many southern soccer lads like partiton, but look at what they would be merging with. Gaelic games and rugby dont have those knuckledraggers to contend with.
There is a large crossover between NI football and Ireland Rugby fans - Showing your ignorance / prejudice with knuckledraggers comment.
Not really. You think telling Billy the Glens fan that his national side is gone, they now play in Dublin under a tricolour and AnF and he has to visit the Brandywell and Tallaght to get his bollix kicked in will be an easy sell? Nay bother etc? Come on.
Billy the Glenman would probably be happy enough with an All-Ireland League. Might not be as keen on an All-Ireland team, however, unless a more welcoming atmosphere for all "Irishmen" was engendered.
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Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 02, 2018, 11:29:47 PM
Isn't it an all-Ireland team? Same as Cricket? Soccer seems to be a bit of an outlier in Irish sport with the partition thing.
It's interesting that sports that have traditionally been associated with Unionism such as rugby, hockey and cricket are played on All Ireland basis.
Then the most oirishy of them all, soccer, is partitioned, despite the green flag waving, cheering leprechauns and plastic Paddy-ism.
The other option was an 'Irish' side based in Belfast under the U jack and GSTQ. Do you think the Leinster FA were wrong to split?
Rugby was the same. In fact pretty sure when we won Grand Slam in 1948, God Save the Queen was still played. But the team eventually transitioned out of that. Do people today regret the rugby team didn't split like soccer?
Yeah people much prefer partition, especially if you're from the south
Sigh.
I doubt many southern soccer lads like partiton, but look at what they would be merging with. Gaelic games and rugby dont have those knuckledraggers to contend with.
There is a large crossover between NI football and Ireland Rugby fans - Showing your ignorance / prejudice with knuckledraggers comment.
Not really. You think telling Billy the Glens fan that his national side is gone, they now play in Dublin under a tricolour and AnF and he has to visit the Brandywell and Tallaght to get his bollix kicked in will be an easy sell? Nay bother etc? Come on.
Billy the Glenman would probably be happy enough with an All-Ireland League. Might not be as keen on an All-Ireland team, however, unless a more welcoming atmosphere for all "Irishmen" was engendered.
And which direction has that hostility trqditionally flowed?
Anyway, back on topic, some achievement for the only amateur team there. They had to pay themselves to be there
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Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 02, 2018, 11:29:47 PM
Isn't it an all-Ireland team? Same as Cricket? Soccer seems to be a bit of an outlier in Irish sport with the partition thing.
It's interesting that sports that have traditionally been associated with Unionism such as rugby, hockey and cricket are played on All Ireland basis.
Then the most oirishy of them all, soccer, is partitioned, despite the green flag waving, cheering leprechauns and plastic Paddy-ism.
The other option was an 'Irish' side based in Belfast under the U jack and GSTQ. Do you think the Leinster FA were wrong to split?
Rugby was the same. In fact pretty sure when we won Grand Slam in 1948, God Save the Queen was still played. But the team eventually transitioned out of that. Do people today regret the rugby team didn't split like soccer?
Yeah people much prefer partition, especially if you're from the south
Sigh.
I doubt many southern soccer lads like partiton, but look at what they would be merging with. Gaelic games and rugby dont have those knuckledraggers to contend with.
There is a large crossover between NI football and Ireland Rugby fans - Showing your ignorance / prejudice with knuckledraggers comment.
Not really. You think telling Billy the Glens fan that his national side is gone, they now play in Dublin under a tricolour and AnF and he has to visit the Brandywell and Tallaght to get his bollix kicked in will be an easy sell? Nay bother etc? Come on.
Billy the Glenman would probably be happy enough with an All-Ireland League. Might not be as keen on an All-Ireland team, however, unless a more welcoming atmosphere for all "Irishmen" was engendered.
And which direction has that hostility trqditionally flowed?
Anyway, back on topic, some achievement for the only amateur team there. They had to pay themselves to be there
In football terms, both associations have played to their respective crowds so to speak. Rugby used to have a reciprocal arrangement re anthems etc when internationals were played on both sides of the border. Indeed, before the intro of Ireland's Call, arguably rugby matches in Dublin were a bit of cold house for unionists after matches ceased to be staged north of the border.
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Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 02, 2018, 11:29:47 PM
Isn't it an all-Ireland team? Same as Cricket? Soccer seems to be a bit of an outlier in Irish sport with the partition thing.
It's interesting that sports that have traditionally been associated with Unionism such as rugby, hockey and cricket are played on All Ireland basis.
Then the most oirishy of them all, soccer, is partitioned, despite the green flag waving, cheering leprechauns and plastic Paddy-ism.
The other option was an 'Irish' side based in Belfast under the U jack and GSTQ. Do you think the Leinster FA were wrong to split?
Rugby was the same. In fact pretty sure when we won Grand Slam in 1948, God Save the Queen was still played. But the team eventually transitioned out of that. Do people today regret the rugby team didn't split like soccer?
Yeah people much prefer partition, especially if you're from the south
Sigh.
I doubt many southern soccer lads like partiton, but look at what they would be merging with. Gaelic games and rugby dont have those knuckledraggers to contend with.
There is a large crossover between NI football and Ireland Rugby fans - Showing your ignorance / prejudice with knuckledraggers comment.
Not really. You think telling Billy the Glens fan that his national side is gone, they now play in Dublin under a tricolour and AnF and he has to visit the Brandywell and Tallaght to get his bollix kicked in will be an easy sell? Nay bother etc? Come on.
Billy the Glenman would probably be happy enough with an All-Ireland League. Might not be as keen on an All-Ireland team, however, unless a more welcoming atmosphere for all "Irishmen" was engendered.
And which direction has that hostility trqditionally flowed?
Anyway, back on topic, some achievement for the only amateur team there. They had to pay themselves to be there
In football terms, both associations have played to their respective crowds so to speak. Rugby used to have a reciprocal arrangement re anthems etc when internationals were played on both sides of the border. Indeed, before the intro of Ireland's Call, arguably rugby matches in Dublin were a bit of cold house for unionists after matches ceased to be staged north of the border.
And they all lived happily ever after.
Soccer might not be as neat and clean.
Anyway, hockey..m
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Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 02, 2018, 11:29:47 PM
Isn't it an all-Ireland team? Same as Cricket? Soccer seems to be a bit of an outlier in Irish sport with the partition thing.
It's interesting that sports that have traditionally been associated with Unionism such as rugby, hockey and cricket are played on All Ireland basis.
Then the most oirishy of them all, soccer, is partitioned, despite the green flag waving, cheering leprechauns and plastic Paddy-ism.
The other option was an 'Irish' side based in Belfast under the U jack and GSTQ. Do you think the Leinster FA were wrong to split?
Rugby was the same. In fact pretty sure when we won Grand Slam in 1948, God Save the Queen was still played. But the team eventually transitioned out of that. Do people today regret the rugby team didn't split like soccer?
Yeah people much prefer partition, especially if you're from the south
Sigh.
I doubt many southern soccer lads like partiton, but look at what they would be merging with. Gaelic games and rugby dont have those knuckledraggers to contend with.
There is a large crossover between NI football and Ireland Rugby fans - Showing your ignorance / prejudice with knuckledraggers comment.
Not really. You think telling Billy the Glens fan that his national side is gone, they now play in Dublin under a tricolour and AnF and he has to visit the Brandywell and Tallaght to get his bollix kicked in will be an easy sell? Nay bother etc? Come on.
Billy the Glenman would probably be happy enough with an All-Ireland League. Might not be as keen on an All-Ireland team, however, unless a more welcoming atmosphere for all "Irishmen" was engendered.
And which direction has that hostility trqditionally flowed?
Anyway, back on topic, some achievement for the only amateur team there. They had to pay themselves to be there
In football terms, both associations have played to their respective crowds so to speak. Rugby used to have a reciprocal arrangement re anthems etc when internationals were played on both sides of the border. Indeed, before the intro of Ireland's Call, arguably rugby matches in Dublin were a bit of cold house for unionists after matches ceased to be staged north of the border.
I'm going to disagree on that point, I've many friends who are rugby to the core as I'm GAA and they never missed heading to Dublin for rugby and their escapades during their times playing in the leagues for their respective clubs is not unlike mine playing for the club..
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Isn't it an all-Ireland team? Same as Cricket? Soccer seems to be a bit of an outlier in Irish sport with the partition thing.
It's interesting that sports that have traditionally been associated with Unionism such as rugby, hockey and cricket are played on All Ireland basis.
Then the most oirishy of them all, soccer, is partitioned, despite the green flag waving, cheering leprechauns and plastic Paddy-ism.
The other option was an 'Irish' side based in Belfast under the U jack and GSTQ. Do you think the Leinster FA were wrong to split?
Rugby was the same. In fact pretty sure when we won Grand Slam in 1948, God Save the Queen was still played. But the team eventually transitioned out of that. Do people today regret the rugby team didn't split like soccer?
Yeah people much prefer partition, especially if you're from the south
Sigh.
I doubt many southern soccer lads like partiton, but look at what they would be merging with. Gaelic games and rugby dont have those knuckledraggers to contend with.
There is a large crossover between NI football and Ireland Rugby fans - Showing your ignorance / prejudice with knuckledraggers comment.
Not really. You think telling Billy the Glens fan that his national side is gone, they now play in Dublin under a tricolour and AnF and he has to visit the Brandywell and Tallaght to get his bollix kicked in will be an easy sell? Nay bother etc? Come on.
Billy the Glenman would probably be happy enough with an All-Ireland League. Might not be as keen on an All-Ireland team, however, unless a more welcoming atmosphere for all "Irishmen" was engendered.
And which direction has that hostility trqditionally flowed?
Anyway, back on topic, some achievement for the only amateur team there. They had to pay themselves to be there
In football terms, both associations have played to their respective crowds so to speak. Rugby used to have a reciprocal arrangement re anthems etc when internationals were played on both sides of the border. Indeed, before the intro of Ireland's Call, arguably rugby matches in Dublin were a bit of cold house for unionists after matches ceased to be staged north of the border.
I'm going to disagree on that point, I've many friends who are rugby to the core as I'm GAA and they never missed heading to Dublin for rugby and their escapades during their times playing in the leagues for their respective clubs is not unlike mine playing for the club..
Not saying they didn't attend and thoroughly enjoyed the trip and experience. They just, in all likelihood, stood tight during the anthems before Ireland's Call was introduced. No big deal really and why some sort of NI based anthem should be sung either in place of, or in addition to GSTQ, at NI football games at NSAWP.
Quote from: michaelg on August 03, 2018, 11:50:51 PM
Not saying they didn't attend and thoroughly enjoyed the trip and experience. They just, in all likelihood, stood tight during the anthems before Ireland's Call was introduced. No big deal really and why some sort of NI based anthem should be sung either in place of, or in addition to GSTQ, at NI football games at NSAWP.
They should just abolish the NI team, one of the few representing that sectarian entity, and then they can sing Teddy bears picnic at the Irish games.
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Quote from: michaelg on August 03, 2018, 11:50:51 PM
Not saying they didn't attend and thoroughly enjoyed the trip and experience. They just, in all likelihood, stood tight during the anthems before Ireland's Call was introduced. No big deal really and why some sort of NI based anthem should be sung either in place of, or in addition to GSTQ, at NI football games at NSAWP.
They should just abolish the NI team, one of the few representing that sectarian entity, and then they can sing Teddy bears picnic at the Irish games.
A few tickets still left for the game in September. You'll never know unless you go!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ExRQwfDda4
Going great guns at the minute!
So far so good, even George has refrained from exclaiming a "Danger Here" curse.
Pirlo eat your heart out!
Brilliant stuff.
yep, brilliant stuff indeed.
Excellent achievement
Wow! Some achievement for a team that would be from a minority sport!
Bring on the begrudger's
Revenge for Suwon.
Which anthem do they play?
The final is on tomorrow!! this is an express speed roller coaster.
Quote from: Main Street on August 04, 2018, 03:54:23 PM
The final is on tomorrow!! this is an express speed roller coaster.
What time is it on? well done to girls today. Not often any Irish team reaches World cup final.
ODonovanesque
Great times for Irish sport
The more I read about it the more convinced I am that this is one remarkable group of athletes. They have cross-over skills from many other sports, including Camogie, Gaelic football, cricket, soccer, Indycar motor racing, and even Irish dancing.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/20-things-you-didnt-know-about-irelands-hockey-heroes-859992.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/20-things-you-didnt-know-about-irelands-hockey-heroes-859992.html)
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 04, 2018, 08:22:42 PM
The more I read about it the more convinced I am that this is one remarkable group of athletes. They have cross-over skills from many other sports, including Camogie, Gaelic football, cricket, soccer, Indycar motor racing, and even Irish dancing.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/20-things-you-didnt-know-about-irelands-hockey-heroes-859992.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/20-things-you-didnt-know-about-irelands-hockey-heroes-859992.html)
Hockey itself is a smashing sport. It should be a lot more popular with the general public on the world stage than it is. It's a very skilful game and has meaningful international competition, with a wider spread of competitive countries than rugby or cricket - arguably only association football has a wider spread. It's consistently one of the most interesting sports at the Olympics. In terms of the marketing of the sport, however, it's been a big underachiever.
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Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 04, 2018, 08:22:42 PM
The more I read about it the more convinced I am that this is one remarkable group of athletes. They have cross-over skills from many other sports, including Camogie, Gaelic football, cricket, soccer, Indycar motor racing, and even Irish dancing.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/20-things-you-didnt-know-about-irelands-hockey-heroes-859992.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/20-things-you-didnt-know-about-irelands-hockey-heroes-859992.html)
Hockey itself is a smashing sport. It should be a lot more popular with the general public on the world stage than it is. It's a very skilful game and has meaningful international competition, with a wider spread of competitive countries than rugby or cricket - arguably only association football has a wider spread. It's consistently one of the most interesting sports at the Olympics. In terms of the marketing of the sport, however, it's been a big underachiever.
Its also quite boring.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 04, 2018, 08:22:42 PM
The more I read about it the more convinced I am that this is one remarkable group of athletes. They have cross-over skills from many other sports, including Camogie, Gaelic football, cricket, soccer, Indycar motor racing, and even Irish dancing.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/20-things-you-didnt-know-about-irelands-hockey-heroes-859992.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/20-things-you-didnt-know-about-irelands-hockey-heroes-859992.html)
What a group
Amazing
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Which anthem do they play?
Irelands Call
Oh Christ
They used to use Danny Boy!
Irish international sporting teams have previously used both The Rose Of Tralee and The Last Rose Of Summer as their "national anthem".
Personally I'd love it if they used "Jimmy Jimmy" by The Undertones for the craic.
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Which anthem do they play?
Irelands Call
Oh Christ
They used to use Danny Boy!
Irish international sporting teams have previously used both The Rose Of Tralee and The Last Rose Of Summer as their "national anthem".
Personally I'd love it if they used "Jimmy Jimmy" by The Undertones for the craic.
Chasing cars would be great
https://youtu.be/GemKqzILV4w
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Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 04, 2018, 08:22:42 PM
The more I read about it the more convinced I am that this is one remarkable group of athletes. They have cross-over skills from many other sports, including Camogie, Gaelic football, cricket, soccer, Indycar motor racing, and even Irish dancing.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/20-things-you-didnt-know-about-irelands-hockey-heroes-859992.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/20-things-you-didnt-know-about-irelands-hockey-heroes-859992.html)
What a group
Amazing
What time is the final ?
16.30 london time.
Would this be Ireland's first ever World Cup Final in any sport? Some achievement by a team of amateurs who had to fundraise to participate in it👍
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Quote from: Dougal Maguire on August 04, 2018, 10:08:56 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 04, 2018, 03:54:14 PM
Which anthem do they play?
Irelands Call
Oh Christ
They used to use Danny Boy!
Irish international sporting teams have previously used both The Rose Of Tralee and The Last Rose Of Summer as their "national anthem".
Personally I'd love it if they used "Jimmy Jimmy" by The Undertones for the craic.
Chasing cars would be great
https://youtu.be/GemKqzILV4w
I'm not one for anthems in general, but that's a shite song.
Quote from: Insane Bolt on August 05, 2018, 11:37:57 AM
Would this be Ireland's first ever World Cup Final in any sport? Some achievement by a team of amateurs who had to fundraise to participate in it👍
Golf and snooker I believe are the other. Euan McKenna couldn't let the ladies have the limelight and raised that fact.
Play the god dam countries nation anthem that is playingand less of this other shite. You dont see other countries at this bullshit
How many from the North are on the team?
It's coming home
From N.I.
Ayeisha McFerran
Position: Goalkeeper
Club: University of Louisville
Age: 22 Caps: 76
Occupation: Student
First-choice net minder. Started all three games so far. From Larne she became the youngest goalkeeper to play for Ireland against Spain in 2014, a day after her 18th birthday. A great shot-stopper, particularly in shootouts. Playing since she was nine-years-old.
Shirley McCay - Most capped Irish sportsperson!
Position: Defence/Midfield
Club: Pegasus
Age: 30 Caps: 270
Occupation: Ulster Hockey Development Officer
The most capped female in Irish sport and in her 11th year as an international player. Part of the team that narrowly missed out on Olympic qualification for 2012 and Rio 2016, the Omagh player will retire after London. Watch for the long pass from defence.
Katie Mullan
Position: Forward/midfield
Club: UCD
Age: 24 Caps: 154
Occupation: Postgraduate Student
She successfully took over the captaincy after Frazer's injuries kept her out of the team. Natural aggression and a strong competitive streak, the former camogie player with Coleraine's Eoghan Rua is now studying for a Masters in biomechanical engineering in UCD.
Zoe Wilson
Position: Defence
Club: Belfast Harlequins
Age: 21 Caps: 76
Occupation: Student
Came from the Syracuse University in New York and played for Harvestehuder in Germany for a year. A captain of the Irish Under-18s, she cemented her current position in 2016. Scored the winner in the Ulster Schools Senior Cup for Ballyclare HS at 14-years-old.
Megan Frazer
Position: Midfield/Defence
Club: Mannheimer, Germany
Age: 27 Caps: 131
Occupation: Hockey Player/Student
The former captain came through a complicated cruciate knee injury to make the squad. A key player for Shaw and one of the most talented players Ireland has produced. Played for Ireland while still as school in Derry and was voted best player at University of Maryland.
Chloe Watkins
Position: Midfield
Club: Bloemendaal, Netherlands
Age: 26 Caps: 197
Occupation: Hockey player/student
If Ireland do the unthinkable and reach the final, she will earn her 200th Irish cap. Brother Gareth and father Gordon were both capped. Monkstown born and now with Dutch side Bloemendaal, where she is coached by twice Olympic champion Teun de Nooijer.
Lizzie Colvin
Position: Midfield
Club: Belfast Harlequins
Age: 28 Caps: 163
Occupation: Lawyer
A corporate lawyer in Belfast, she has come back from 18 months out with a cruciate knee injury in 2013. A tough, robust midfielder, she regained her spot in 2015. Her goal against India last summer earned Ireland their World Cup place. Another capped as a schoolgirl.
Hannah Matthews
Position: Defence
Club: Loreto
Age: 27 Caps: 111
Occupation: Teacher
A primary school teacher with an international bloodline from father Philip, a former Irish rugby captain. Handles pressure well, which is a huge asset for today's World Cup quarter-final. She earned her 100th cap in June against Canada at Serpentine Avenue.
From RoI
Grace O'Flanagan
Position: Goalkeeper
Club: Railway Union
Age: 29 Caps: 34
Occupation: Doctor
The Royal College of Surgeons graduate was pivotal in South Africa during Ireland's qualification for this World Cup. With McFerran in the sin-bin in the World League semi-finals, O'Flanagan saved a penalty with her first touch against India. Schooled in Loreto Foxrock.
Róisín Upton
Position: Defence/Midfield
Club: Cork Harlequins
Age: 24 Caps: 43
Occupation: Postgraduate Student
A relative newcomer, the Limerick player made her debut in 2016 after a hip injury and stress fracture delayed progress. She then nailed down roles in midfield and defence. Another who went through the US college system, winning two NCAA titles with UConn Huskies.
Elena Tice
Position: Defence
Club: UCD
Age: 20 Caps: 71
Occupation: Student
The dual international made her debut in cricket at 13-years-old and won 40 caps in T20 and ODIs before focusing on hockey. She was precocious there too, debuting for Ireland two weeks before her 18th birthday in 2016. An ever-present on the team since.
Yvonne O'Byrne
Position: Defence
Club: Cork Harlequins
Age: 26 Caps: 116
Occupation: Postgraduate Student
Hugely consistent performer, she has played over 30 consecutive internationals matches since June of last year. The Cork player made her debut in 2016 having played on the Mount Mercy senior schools team as a 14-year-old. Hobbies include tag rugby and soccer.
Gillian Pinder
Position: Midfield
Club: Pembroke
Age: 26 Caps: 140
Occupation: Business and law graduate/coach
A deceptively quick player who has the ability and confidence to breeze past opponents. A veteran of the Rio Olympic campaign, she along with Chloe Watkins were central to St Andrew's College winning the All-Ireland title in 2010. A graduate of UCD and Syracuse.
Ali Meeke
Position: Midfield
Club: Loreto
Age: 27 Caps: 117
Occupation: Coaching/S&C
An intelligent, tidy operator, who came from Dublin's Corinthians HC, she can float between midfield and defence. Made her debut at 22 against India and was part of the group from the Rio qualifying campaign group who have clearly bounced back this year.
Nicci Daly
Position: Midfield
Club: Loreto
Age: 30 Caps: 166
Occupation: Motor racing engineer
Great pace around the pitch and delightful stick work to match. A natural athlete, who never stops running, she previously played for the Dublin football team and is a niece to former F1 racing driver Derek Daly. Overcame a foot injury to make the squad.
Nikki Evans
Position: Forward
Club: UHC Hamburg
Age: 28 Caps: 166
Occupation: Lawyer
The lawyer has taken a year out to play with UHC Hamburg in Germany, where she will return to work and play after London. A great athlete and high work rate makes her an always busy player in the forward line and leading the press. Has 36 goals.
Anna O'Flanagan
Position: Forward
Club: Pinoké, Netherlands
Age: 28 Caps: 171
Occupation: Lawyer
After her winning deflection against India she is on 64 goals and one of Ireland's most prolific scorers with almost a goal every three games. Running out on defensive corners, where she takes the 'body line' on the drag flick has been as brave as it is effective in Ireland's progress.
Deirdre Duke
Position: Forward
Club: UCD
Age: 26 Caps: 106
Occupation: Lawyer
The UCD captain was out with a shoulder injury in 2017. Prior to that she played with the Huskies in Boston before leading UCD to Irish Cup and league success in recent seasons. A quality athlete, she also played with the Irish soccer and Dublin underage teams.
Graham Shaw (Coach)
The Irish coach grew up on hockey, GAA and soccer. He played alongside childhood friend Damien Duff at Lourdes Celtic and Dublin's Collie Moran before concentrating on hockey. In 2010 he famously coached Loreto to the Irish Senior Cup title and won the men's title playing with Glenanne the same day. Has 151 Irish caps.
Orange women triumphalist.
How many points is it for a goal ?
Shaw out
Quote from: Hereiam on August 05, 2018, 12:01:01 PM
Play the god dam countries nation anthem that is playingand less of this other shite. You dont see other countries at this bullshit
It's not the ROI hockey team.
I suppose it's worthy of a thread of its own but what would the Flag and national anthem arrangements be in a United Ireland. I assume, as was the case on South Africa there would have to be a new flag and anthem to reflect the new country
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on August 05, 2018, 07:41:51 PM
I suppose it's worthy of a thread of its own but what would the Flag and national anthem arrangements be in a United Ireland. I assume, as was the case on South Africa there would have to be a new flag and anthem to reflect the new country
Unionists wouldn't recognise either, the same way Nationalists don't recognise the union flag or GSTQ.
Quote from: mrdeeds on August 05, 2018, 11:49:55 AM
Quote from: Insane Bolt on August 05, 2018, 11:37:57 AM
Would this be Ireland's first ever World Cup Final in any sport? Some achievement by a team of amateurs who had to fundraise to participate in it👍
Golf and snooker I believe are the other. Euan McKenna couldn't let the ladies have the limelight and raised that fact.
https://www.balls.ie/other-sports/remembering-the-ireland-team-who-won-the-amateur-elephant-polo-world-cup-in-2005-329810
Quote from: BennyCake on August 05, 2018, 08:20:58 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on August 05, 2018, 07:41:51 PM
I suppose it's worthy of a thread of its own but what would the Flag and national anthem arrangements be in a United Ireland. I assume, as was the case on South Africa there would have to be a new flag and anthem to reflect the new country
Unionists wouldn't recognise either, the same way Nationalists don't recognise the union flag or GSTQ.
They would be more likely to recognise a new flag and anthem.
Quote from: michaelg on August 05, 2018, 09:08:40 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 05, 2018, 08:20:58 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on August 05, 2018, 07:41:51 PM
I suppose it's worthy of a thread of its own but what would the Flag and national anthem arrangements be in a United Ireland. I assume, as was the case on South Africa there would have to be a new flag and anthem to reflect the new country
Unionists wouldn't recognise either, the same way Nationalists don't recognise the union flag or GSTQ.
They would be more likely to recognise a new flag and anthem.
I wouldn't think so.
Would nationalists recognise a new anthem and flag for the Northern State? Nope, because it recognises the partition of Ireland. In the same way for Unionists, a new anthem and flag for a new United Ireland would recognise exactly that, an United Ireland.
Hockey thread descends into Flag and Anthem discussion. But it's only Unionists who are insular and backward looking.
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Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 04, 2018, 08:22:42 PM
The more I read about it the more convinced I am that this is one remarkable group of athletes. They have cross-over skills from many other sports, including Camogie, Gaelic football, cricket, soccer, Indycar motor racing, and even Irish dancing.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/20-things-you-didnt-know-about-irelands-hockey-heroes-859992.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/20-things-you-didnt-know-about-irelands-hockey-heroes-859992.html)
Hockey itself is a smashing sport. It should be a lot more popular with the general public on the world stage than it is. It's a very skilful game and has meaningful international competition, with a wider spread of competitive countries than rugby or cricket - arguably only association football has a wider spread. It's consistently one of the most interesting sports at the Olympics. In terms of the marketing of the sport, however, it's been a big underachiever.
I always enjoyed it in PE, myself. It was one of the few ball games that I was any good at. But then the teachers made a bit of effort to teach the skills of it instead of assuming we already knew how to play.
Quote from: trailer on August 06, 2018, 03:01:14 PM
Hockey thread descends into Flag and Anthem discussion. But it's only Unionists who are insular and backward looking.
Unionists are insular, but not to our island but to the other one.
And if the Hockey association have sought to disassociate themselves from the bulk of Irish people why should people not remark on it?
Quote from: armaghniac on August 06, 2018, 07:29:51 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 06, 2018, 03:01:14 PM
Hockey thread descends into Flag and Anthem discussion. But it's only Unionists who are insular and backward looking.
Unionists are insular, but not to our island but to the other one.
And if the Hockey association have sought to disassociate themselves from the bulk of Irish people why should people not remark on it?
What?
Quote from: armaghniac on August 06, 2018, 07:29:51 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 06, 2018, 03:01:14 PM
Hockey thread descends into Flag and Anthem discussion. But it's only Unionists who are insular and backward looking.
Unionists are insular, but not to our island but to the other one.
And if the Hockey association have sought to disassociate themselves from the bulk of Irish people why should people not remark on it?
This is f**king mental.
Quote from: armaghniac on August 06, 2018, 07:29:51 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 06, 2018, 03:01:14 PM
Hockey thread descends into Flag and Anthem discussion. But it's only Unionists who are insular and backward looking.
Unionists are insular, but not to our island but to the other one.
And if the Hockey association have sought to disassociate themselves from the bulk of Irish people why should people not remark on it?
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Ah here. Thats special.
Britains campaign and policies in Ireland has come to this, the stage where the hockey/rugby crowd chose to go neutral. I understand the decision to change the flag/anthem, but it is sad that Irish sport and Ireland as a country has to hide it's national flag and anthem like they are some sort of embarrassment.
Must be one of the few countries in the world that does so, yet it's not the only country with political/racial/religious issues.
Quote from: BennyCake on August 06, 2018, 09:22:40 PM
Britains campaign and policies in Ireland has come to this, the stage where the hockey/rugby crowd chose to go neutral. I understand the decision to change the flag/anthem, but it is sad that Irish sport and Ireland as a country has to hide it's national flag and anthem like they are some sort of embarrassment.
Must be one of the few countries in the world that does so, yet it's not the only country with political/racial/religious issues.
It is not the ROI hockey team. Nor is it the ROI rugby team.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 06, 2018, 07:17:25 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on August 04, 2018, 11:30:10 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 04, 2018, 08:22:42 PM
The more I read about it the more convinced I am that this is one remarkable group of athletes. They have cross-over skills from many other sports, including Camogie, Gaelic football, cricket, soccer, Indycar motor racing, and even Irish dancing.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/20-things-you-didnt-know-about-irelands-hockey-heroes-859992.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/20-things-you-didnt-know-about-irelands-hockey-heroes-859992.html)
Hockey itself is a smashing sport. It should be a lot more popular with the general public on the world stage than it is. It's a very skilful game and has meaningful international competition, with a wider spread of competitive countries than rugby or cricket - arguably only association football has a wider spread. It's consistently one of the most interesting sports at the Olympics. In terms of the marketing of the sport, however, it's been a big underachiever.
I always enjoyed it in PE, myself. It was one of the few ball games that I was any good at. But then the teachers made a bit of effort to teach the skills of it instead of assuming we already knew how to play.
You'd prob been good at camogie too if you tired it ;)
I think that's the important thing. The Soldiers Song is the ROI anthem. If we get a United Ireland we will need a new flag and a new anthem that the entire population can associate with. I for one would be content to sacrifice these for the greater good
Quote from: BennyCake on August 06, 2018, 09:22:40 PM
Must be one of the few countries in the world that does so, yet it's not the only country with political/racial/religious issues.
The reason is not because of political/racial/religious issues. It is because in those cases the Ireland team represents 2 different states. The only similar situation I can think of is the West Indies cricket tea which represents an number of different states, and they have an anthem and flag that are not the flag or anthem of any of the individual states.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Indies_cricket_team#Flag_and_anthem
Quote from: michaelg on August 06, 2018, 09:28:16 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 06, 2018, 09:22:40 PM
Britains campaign and policies in Ireland has come to this, the stage where the hockey/rugby crowd chose to go neutral. I understand the decision to change the flag/anthem, but it is sad that Irish sport and Ireland as a country has to hide it's national flag and anthem like they are some sort of embarrassment.
Must be one of the few countries in the world that does so, yet it's not the only country with political/racial/religious issues.
It is not the ROI hockey team. Nor is it the ROI rugby team.
True, but the Irish anthem and flag pre-dates partition.
Quote from: BennyCake on August 06, 2018, 10:21:31 PM
Quote from: michaelg on August 06, 2018, 09:28:16 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 06, 2018, 09:22:40 PM
Britains campaign and policies in Ireland has come to this, the stage where the hockey/rugby crowd chose to go neutral. I understand the decision to change the flag/anthem, but it is sad that Irish sport and Ireland as a country has to hide it's national flag and anthem like they are some sort of embarrassment.
Must be one of the few countries in the world that does so, yet it's not the only country with political/racial/religious issues.
It is not the ROI hockey team. Nor is it the ROI rugby team.
True, but the Irish anthem and flag pre-dates partition.
This is not that complicated. Why can't you just be happy for the success the team has enjoyed?
Agreed. Set up a new thread for the national anthem debate
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on August 06, 2018, 09:39:15 PM
I think that's the important thing. The Soldiers Song is the ROI anthem. If we get a United Ireland we will need a new flag and a new anthem that the entire population can associate with. I for one would be content to sacrifice these for the greater good
It's also the anthem of thousands of nationalists in the North.
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on August 06, 2018, 09:39:15 PM
I think that's the important thing. The Soldiers Song is the ROI anthem. If we get a United Ireland we will need a new flag and a new anthem that the entire population can associate with. I for one would be content to sacrifice these for the greater good
I agree, I'll be sad to see it go but I think it's neccessary to accommodate unionists.
Quote from: BennyCake on August 06, 2018, 10:35:35 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on August 06, 2018, 09:39:15 PM
I think that's the important thing. The Soldiers Song is the ROI anthem. If we get a United Ireland we will need a new flag and a new anthem that the entire population can associate with. I for one would be content to sacrifice these for the greater good
It's also the anthem of thousands of nationalists in the North.
Probably not the anthem for the majority of the players from NI though.
Quote from: michaelg on August 06, 2018, 10:25:40 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 06, 2018, 10:21:31 PM
Quote from: michaelg on August 06, 2018, 09:28:16 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 06, 2018, 09:22:40 PM
Britains campaign and policies in Ireland has come to this, the stage where the hockey/rugby crowd chose to go neutral. I understand the decision to change the flag/anthem, but it is sad that Irish sport and Ireland as a country has to hide it's national flag and anthem like they are some sort of embarrassment.
Must be one of the few countries in the world that does so, yet it's not the only country with political/racial/religious issues.
It is not the ROI hockey team. Nor is it the ROI rugby team.
True, but the Irish anthem and flag pre-dates partition.
This is not that complicated. Why can't you just be happy for the success the team has enjoyed?
I haven't said I'm not pleased for the team. They did well. Fair play to them. Never watched hockey in my life until lately. I mightn't ever watch it again but I was glad to see them do well. And it was great to see the whole country behind them.
The anthem/flag issue was brought up by someone, and well, here we are...
Quote from: BennyCake on August 06, 2018, 10:41:01 PM
Quote from: michaelg on August 06, 2018, 10:25:40 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 06, 2018, 10:21:31 PM
Quote from: michaelg on August 06, 2018, 09:28:16 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 06, 2018, 09:22:40 PM
Britains campaign and policies in Ireland has come to this, the stage where the hockey/rugby crowd chose to go neutral. I understand the decision to change the flag/anthem, but it is sad that Irish sport and Ireland as a country has to hide it's national flag and anthem like they are some sort of embarrassment.
Must be one of the few countries in the world that does so, yet it's not the only country with political/racial/religious issues.
It is not the ROI hockey team. Nor is it the ROI rugby team.
True, but the Irish anthem and flag pre-dates partition.
This is not that complicated. Why can't you just be happy for the success the team has enjoyed?
I haven't said I'm not pleased for the team. They did well. Fair play to them. Never watched hockey in my life until lately. I mightn't ever watch it again but I was glad to see them do well. And it was great to see the whole country behind them.
The anthem/flag issue was brought up by someone, and well, here we are...
Can you not see how using Ireland's Call might help to get the whole island behing the team?
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on August 06, 2018, 09:39:15 PM
I think that's the important thing. The Soldiers Song is the ROI anthem. If we get a United Ireland we will need a new flag and a new anthem that the entire population can associate with. I for one would be content to sacrifice these for the greater good
+100%
Quote from: michaelg on August 06, 2018, 10:47:43 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 06, 2018, 10:41:01 PM
Quote from: michaelg on August 06, 2018, 10:25:40 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 06, 2018, 10:21:31 PM
Quote from: michaelg on August 06, 2018, 09:28:16 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 06, 2018, 09:22:40 PM
Britains campaign and policies in Ireland has come to this, the stage where the hockey/rugby crowd chose to go neutral. I understand the decision to change the flag/anthem, but it is sad that Irish sport and Ireland as a country has to hide it's national flag and anthem like they are some sort of embarrassment.
Must be one of the few countries in the world that does so, yet it's not the only country with political/racial/religious issues.
It is not the ROI hockey team. Nor is it the ROI rugby team.
True, but the Irish anthem and flag pre-dates partition.
This is not that complicated. Why can't you just be happy for the success the team has enjoyed?
I haven't said I'm not pleased for the team. They did well. Fair play to them. Never watched hockey in my life until lately. I mightn't ever watch it again but I was glad to see them do well. And it was great to see the whole country behind them.
The anthem/flag issue was brought up by someone, and well, here we are...
Can you not see how using Ireland's Call might help to get the whole island behing the team?
Well personally I can't abide Ireland's Call (or the bollix who wrote it), but that didn't stop me hoping they'd do well. I can't speak for everyone else, but it did seem to unify the team.
As I said before, I understand the reasons for neutrality.
But on a similar note, is the hockey example not encouraging for you (as a northern unionist, I assume), that with similar ventures in different fields, and people being inclusive, and that if a UI ever came about, that there is nothing to fear from it?
Quote from: BennyCake on August 06, 2018, 10:58:19 PM
Quote from: michaelg on August 06, 2018, 10:47:43 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 06, 2018, 10:41:01 PM
Quote from: michaelg on August 06, 2018, 10:25:40 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 06, 2018, 10:21:31 PM
Quote from: michaelg on August 06, 2018, 09:28:16 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 06, 2018, 09:22:40 PM
Britains campaign and policies in Ireland has come to this, the stage where the hockey/rugby crowd chose to go neutral. I understand the decision to change the flag/anthem, but it is sad that Irish sport and Ireland as a country has to hide it's national flag and anthem like they are some sort of embarrassment.
Must be one of the few countries in the world that does so, yet it's not the only country with political/racial/religious issues.
It is not the ROI hockey team. Nor is it the ROI rugby team.
True, but the Irish anthem and flag pre-dates partition.
This is not that complicated. Why can't you just be happy for the success the team has enjoyed?
I haven't said I'm not pleased for the team. They did well. Fair play to them. Never watched hockey in my life until lately. I mightn't ever watch it again but I was glad to see them do well. And it was great to see the whole country behind them.
The anthem/flag issue was brought up by someone, and well, here we are...
Can you not see how using Ireland's Call might help to get the whole island behing the team?
Well personally I can't abide Ireland's Call (or the bollix who wrote it), but that didn't stop me hoping they'd do well. I can't speak for everyone else, but it did seem to unify the team.
As I said before, I understand the reasons for neutrality.
But on a similar note, is the hockey example not encouraging for you (as a northern unionist, I assume), that with similar ventures in different fields, and people being inclusive, and that if a UI ever came about, that there is nothing to fear from it?
Firstly, it's not a question of neutrality. At the risk of repeating myself, it's not the ROI team.
As for your point about inclusivity, is it not a bit ironic making this point when you, and other posters, are complaining about using an anthem that appeals to people from all backgrounds on the island?
Quote from: michaelg on August 06, 2018, 11:05:40 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 06, 2018, 10:58:19 PM
Quote from: michaelg on August 06, 2018, 10:47:43 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 06, 2018, 10:41:01 PM
Quote from: michaelg on August 06, 2018, 10:25:40 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 06, 2018, 10:21:31 PM
Quote from: michaelg on August 06, 2018, 09:28:16 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 06, 2018, 09:22:40 PM
Britains campaign and policies in Ireland has come to this, the stage where the hockey/rugby crowd chose to go neutral. I understand the decision to change the flag/anthem, but it is sad that Irish sport and Ireland as a country has to hide it's national flag and anthem like they are some sort of embarrassment.
Must be one of the few countries in the world that does so, yet it's not the only country with political/racial/religious issues.
It is not the ROI hockey team. Nor is it the ROI rugby team.
True, but the Irish anthem and flag pre-dates partition.
This is not that complicated. Why can't you just be happy for the success the team has enjoyed?
I haven't said I'm not pleased for the team. They did well. Fair play to them. Never watched hockey in my life until lately. I mightn't ever watch it again but I was glad to see them do well. And it was great to see the whole country behind them.
The anthem/flag issue was brought up by someone, and well, here we are...
Can you not see how using Ireland's Call might help to get the whole island behing the team?
Well personally I can't abide Ireland's Call (or the bollix who wrote it), but that didn't stop me hoping they'd do well. I can't speak for everyone else, but it did seem to unify the team.
As I said before, I understand the reasons for neutrality.
But on a similar note, is the hockey example not encouraging for you (as a northern unionist, I assume), that with similar ventures in different fields, and people being inclusive, and that if a UI ever came about, that there is nothing to fear from it?
Firstly, it's not a question of neutrality. At the risk of repeating myself, it's not the ROI team.
As for your point about inclusivity, is it not a bit ironic making this point when you, and other posters, are complaining about using an anthem that appeals to people from all backgrounds on the island?
OK so neutrality was the wrong word.
It might appeal to others, unify the team etc. But play Danny Boy, I'll Tell Me Ma, anything but Ireland's Call.
PS. As I said, the anthem issue I understand. It was literally Ireland's Call that is the issue for me.
Now, for my question? ;)
Irelands Call is a well meant compromise to a tricky issue.
The problem is that its a turgid song.
Quote from: BennyCake on August 06, 2018, 10:58:19 PM
Well personally I can't abide Ireland's Call (or the bollix who wrote it)...
Let me stop you right there. What have you got against Phil Coulter?
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 06, 2018, 11:47:32 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 06, 2018, 10:58:19 PM
Well personally I can't abide Ireland's Call (or the bollix who wrote it)...
Let me stop you right there. What have you got against Phil Coulter?
He's a pompous p***k. Can't stand the bollix.
I saw him live lately and he came off as an ordinary enough fella.
Quote from: BennyCake on August 06, 2018, 11:59:53 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 06, 2018, 11:47:32 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 06, 2018, 10:58:19 PM
Well personally I can't abide Ireland's Call (or the bollix who wrote it)...
Let me stop you right there. What have you got against Phil Coulter?
He's a pompous p***k. Can't stand the bollix.
Have you had any personal dealings with him ?
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 06, 2018, 10:53:09 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on August 06, 2018, 09:39:15 PM
I think that's the important thing. The Soldiers Song is the ROI anthem. If we get a United Ireland we will need a new flag and a new anthem that the entire population can associate with. I for one would be content to sacrifice these for the greater good
+100%
There is nothing wrong with the tricolour for a united Ireland. It represents peace between catholics(green) and protestant(orange). Some people simply do not want a United Ireland and no united Ireland flag will be acceptable to them.
Quote from: BennyCake on August 06, 2018, 11:17:31 PM
Quote from: michaelg on August 06, 2018, 11:05:40 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 06, 2018, 10:58:19 PM
Quote from: michaelg on August 06, 2018, 10:47:43 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 06, 2018, 10:41:01 PM
Quote from: michaelg on August 06, 2018, 10:25:40 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 06, 2018, 10:21:31 PM
Quote from: michaelg on August 06, 2018, 09:28:16 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 06, 2018, 09:22:40 PM
Britains campaign and policies in Ireland has come to this, the stage where the hockey/rugby crowd chose to go neutral. I understand the decision to change the flag/anthem, but it is sad that Irish sport and Ireland as a country has to hide it's national flag and anthem like they are some sort of embarrassment.
Must be one of the few countries in the world that does so, yet it's not the only country with political/racial/religious issues.
It is not the ROI hockey team. Nor is it the ROI rugby team.
True, but the Irish anthem and flag pre-dates partition.
This is not that complicated. Why can't you just be happy for the success the team has enjoyed?
I haven't said I'm not pleased for the team. They did well. Fair play to them. Never watched hockey in my life until lately. I mightn't ever watch it again but I was glad to see them do well. And it was great to see the whole country behind them.
The anthem/flag issue was brought up by someone, and well, here we are...
Can you not see how using Ireland's Call might help to get the whole island behing the team?
Well personally I can't abide Ireland's Call (or the bollix who wrote it), but that didn't stop me hoping they'd do well. I can't speak for everyone else, but it did seem to unify the team.
As I said before, I understand the reasons for neutrality.
But on a similar note, is the hockey example not encouraging for you (as a northern unionist, I assume), that with similar ventures in different fields, and people being inclusive, and that if a UI ever came about, that there is nothing to fear from it?
Firstly, it's not a question of neutrality. At the risk of repeating myself, it's not the ROI team.
As for your point about inclusivity, is it not a bit ironic making this point when you, and other posters, are complaining about using an anthem that appeals to people from all backgrounds on the island?
OK so neutrality was the wrong word.
It might appeal to others, unify the team etc. But play Danny Boy, I'll Tell Me Ma, anything but Ireland's Call.
PS. As I said, the anthem issue I understand. It was literally Ireland's Call that is the issue for me.
Now, for my question? ;)
Nothing to fear perhaps, but still doesn't mean that I want a UI. The same argument could be turned on its head for Nationalists remaining in the UK in NI.