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#22606
There is no orange citadel in armagh anyway. Monaghan can go up there any time they want and beat the team off the pitch.
#22607
If you want to design a great intercounty football team, what would be first on the list?


Dara Ó Sé: If you want to design a great intercounty football team, what would be first on the list?



Football doesn't stand still. You'd have to wonder why people are surprised by the different tactics that come and go in the sport, as if nothing new had ever happened before. Pat Spillane was dropping deep into his defence from the forwards 40 years ago, Jack O'Shea the same. Evolution didn't just fall out of the sky in the last few years.

The requirements for surviving at the top of the intercounty game are different now to what they were even 10 years ago. Imagine sitting down with a blank piece of paper and trying to build a team from scratch. What would you look for?

If you want to understand how football has changed over time, just look at the Tyrone team that beat Derry and compare it to the early Tyrone teams Mickey Harte won All-Irelands with. Look at the body shapes. Look at the fitness levels. Look at what roles players carry out in a game.

I played against Seán Cavanagh in those days. Back then, he had diplomatic immunity from tracking back. Nowadays, he's far more likely to pick up the ball on his own half back line as in the Tyrone attack. He gets back, takes on responsibility for breaking up play like everybody else and then gets forward to be a weapon in front of goals as well.

Running game
So let's take this blank piece of paper and set up our team. What do we need? If you want a starting point for what has changed the game, fitness is absolutely top of the list. I don't think people really understand the levels of fitness needed now. When I played, even the top teams were carrying a couple of players who were fitter than the average member of the public but would be blowing hard in the final quarter. Those guys don't exist now. Not tolerated.
More than ever, it's a running game. The buzzword this year is "transition". Don't be fooled: transition is mostly running. For the best teams, it's running and kicking long at the right time. Either way, you need ridiculous fitness to survive. So at a certain level – top four, top six – that fitness is taken for granted. It's non-negotiable.

The next item on the list is personnel. No point having fit players who won't do what you need them to. I've been in dressing rooms with players who are getting instructions and it was obvious that if you could see into their heads like you could with Homer Simpson, there'd be a monkey riding a bicycle across a tightrope. Maybe the monkey would be whistling to himself.

You can't have that these days. At a certain level, these systems are basic enough. You get men back, you break up play, you attack at pace and you cover for the men who go forward. You'd be surprised how difficult it is to drum that into some guys. It takes putting ego aside and cutting down on individuality. That's no picnic, especially when you're dealing with guys who are the best players in their clubs.

This is not a new problem. I remember playing the Dubs one time in Croke Park and our number one priority for the first 15-20 minutes was to take the sting out of the game, quieten down Hill 16 and basically make it a tight, boring game. Don't give them anything to get excited about. That was our mantra going in.

It all worked fine – for about three minutes. Then, my midfield partner decided to be a hero and go on a big solo run. Nothing wrong with that, except that my man wouldn't have been a noted solo-runner. Basically, he got a rush of blood, ignored the plan, soloed high above his head and presented himself as a nice, juicy target for two Dubs to line up and absolutely poleaxe. The Hill went bananas.

After he peeled himself off the advertising hoardings, he jogged back over towards me with a big confused look on his face. "Jeez, I wasn't expecting that!" he said. I nearly hit him myself.

So you need the right type of people. As for the type of players you need, that's also changing all the time. Let's start at the start. Goalkeepers. You never saw a goalkeeper in white boots. They were never good enough footballers to get away with it. They were solid guys, maybe a bit mad, definitely braver than the rest when it came to throwing themselves in front of the ball.

Packed defences
If you're starting a county team from scratch now, do you even go looking at the club goalkeepers around the county? Or do you do what Cavan have done with Ray Galligan and convert an above-average free-taker into a goalkeeper? I think more and more you will see teams going that way. Thanks to packed defences, being a shot-stopper is well down the list.
I wouldn't swap places with goalkeepers now. The Derry keeper had a nightmare three or four minutes where he couldn't get the ball kicked out. Tyrone kept coming back at him with scores. By the fourth or fifth one, he looked like a golfer who had no idea where his drive was going.

When it comes to defenders, the man-marker isn't as important as he used to be. You look at the corner backs on the top teams: for their clubs they're centre backs or midfielders or half forwards. They're athletes first and foremost, well capable of leading the charge when the turnover comes and comfortable shooting off either foot at the end of a break-out.

I played with corner backs who you wouldn't embarrass by including in the shooting drills. You'd be afraid they'd get cranky and think you were trying to make a fool of them and they'd take it out on your star corner forward in an in-house game the next night. Nowadays, it's a bad performance if you haven't ended a game with a couple of points from the full back line.

Most important player
But again that's the wrong way of saying it. There's no full back line now. There's a marker, maybe two. There's a guy patrolling the D. There are five or six across the 45, numbers irrelevant. There are no wing backs or wing forwards, just wingers. If Jack McCaffrey is up against Donnchadh Walsh or Lee Keegan is playing on Diarmuid Connolly, who's marking who?
Midfielders don't need to be the tallest guys on the team. You need one giant to contest hop-balls but mostly, in the best teams, midfielders won't be called on to catch anything above their heads. Those converted free-takers playing in goal will be hitting them on the chest from 60 yards away (on the rare occasions they haven't gone short to the converted midfielder playing corner back).

The most important player on the team is the link man at centre forward, which is the one position that is still broadly similar to what it used to be. You need a classy player there, a guy who plays constantly on the half-turn, taking possession while running laterally across the half forward line and sending fast, intelligent ball inside.

Upfront you have one strike forward. You're pushing the boat out if you go with two. At least one corner forward puts his head down and sprints back up the field as soon as the referee throws in the ball and the second one usually isn't far behind. It's everyone's responsibility to work back, it's everyone's responsibility to get up and score points of his own.

There's no hiding place either. The oldest GAA tactic in the book – whipping off the corner forward when things go against you – is dying out. Now the manager has his stats team telling him who has made the most tackles, who has been on the ball the most times, who has given away the most fouls. The curly finger goes to the guy who isn't hitting his numbers.

Wrong personnel
When it's good, like it was with Tyrone on Sunday, it looks great. It's exciting to watch. But it all comes back to personnel. Derry were trying to play a similar game but they don't have the personnel. And as for when club teams try it? Forget about it. That's the main reason people complain about this style of football: they see club teams doing it badly and it looks dreadful. Donkeys in derbies.
Personnel is the key. It comes down to another much-used phrase: "buy in". Everyone has to buy into the game plan. No flakes allowed. People wonder why the championship only gets going in August: it's because a lot of teams make allowances for the wrong sort of personnel. Guys who don't fully buy in but are kept on because numbers are tight when it comes to intercounty quality.

The championship now is more ruthless than ever it was at weeding those guys out. The evolution of football has demanded it.
#22608
Quote from: muppet on May 24, 2016, 05:09:30 PM
Quote from: Duine Eile on May 23, 2016, 03:59:42 PM
Im worried about the Mayo game to be honest. I was giving Kevin the benefit of the doubt but the more stories I hear the less confidence I have, 52 players won't join the panel, they can't all be unwilling to give the commitment you'd think.  :-\

Jebus, are you planning to beat us, or invade us?
the invasion as the other way around. There must be upwards of 5000 Mayo people living in Galway now. We should get a few footballers  out of them eventually to add to the local production
#22609
Quote from: T Fearon on May 25, 2016, 06:00:36 AM
At the end of the day,in an era where there was little hope of success,Ger Houlahan forfeited an FAI Cup Final,money and the glamour of playing at Lansdowne Road,to play for Armagh against Fermanagh.Thats probably why he possesses an All Star something that Jamie will never have.

A lad who turns his back on his county,but can defer globetrotting to play in a soccer Junior Cup Final,is despicable.
I'd want to get away from certain fans too if I were him
#22610
GAA Discussion / Re: Thuggery in the GAA
May 24, 2016, 07:28:56 PM
He writes about other sports other than racing .
I think he's on the ball on this issue  . Refs have very little smacht over violence on the pitch
#22611
GAA Discussion / Re: The Sunday Game
May 24, 2016, 07:23:44 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 24, 2016, 03:00:50 PM
I've softened on Brian Carthy on the radio in fairness. His voice seems synonymous with it at this stage. I still hate the way he goes 'A sideline to Cork, and Cork have the sideline'. And he rarely gives the scores either.

Canning is just a gowl.
Carthy doesn't have the smarts that the likes of Maloney or MoM have. He asked some Oz sportsman in CP if he agreed that hurling was the greatest game in the world. Christ.
#22612
Quote from: screenexile on May 24, 2016, 03:26:03 PM
It amazes me the amount of Working Class Americans who vote Republican because they are Christian/hate the gays/advocate a pro life position when in reality the Republican screw them up the ass with their pants on!!
not any more
#22613
Hey Chewbacca can you help the empire strike back against the Dubs?
#22614
GAA Discussion / Thuggery in the GAA
May 24, 2016, 02:16:20 PM
Good article by Brian O Connor

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/welcome-to-championship-and-a-new-summer-of-naked-blackguarding-1.2657484

"It's there to varying degrees in every match. But it's always there. That constant shaping and shouldering mixed in with pulling, picking, pawing, the accidental-on-purpose knee to the back or sly step on the Achilles, a provocative word in the ear or an elbow to the ribs, invariably accompanied by feigned incredulity at any offence taken, and all of it part of an incessant niggle that's as cheap as a Kilkenny county football final ticket.

The remarkable thing is that it doesn't register anymore. It's become par for the GAA course. It is the exception rather than the rule if a sub doesn't run on and automatically bullock into his marker, roaring in their ear, presumably about their mother's well-being, and generally shaping to let everyone know they're "there"."

Players do privately outline stories about abuse and physical assault which makes one wonder why they bother to play at all, never mind sacrificing the best years of their lives to voluntarily put up with thuggery at its lowest.

Claims of racism over the years grab headlines but physical and verbal abuse of all kinds are still routinely categorised under "one of those things", a ridiculous state of affairs made even more stupid by being part of an even greater bullshit culture which dresses this stuff up in cod-psychological, self-regarding garbage that the GAA specialises in.


Kilkenny are the masters
#22615
The Ros forwards took a while to get going. Sligo should be a step up from Leitrim and if they can hold their own in midfield they might be able to give Ros a rattle.
#22616
GAA Discussion / Re: laoise team
May 24, 2016, 01:24:06 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 24, 2016, 12:01:28 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 24, 2016, 11:02:42 AM
And it's Nazis.
Capital N  >:(

Calm down, Heinrich.
That was the Heinrich manoeuvre Jinxy. Straight out of the SS
#22617
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/dublin-gangland-feud-close-associate-of-hutch-family-shot-dead-1.2658793

Ismail Kadare wrote a book about the Kanun, the ancient Albanian feud code

https://www.bookdepository.com/Broken-April-Ismail-Kadare/9780099449874

It is brutal
http://kenner.kprdsb.ca/FOV1-000585DC/RThompson/The_Kanun.pdf

According to the Code, if a man
is deeply affronted, his family has the right to kill the person who has insulted him. However,
by doing this, the family will become a target for revenge on the part of the victim's family.
The victim's closest male relative is obliged to kill the murderer of his family member. The
pattern of reprisal killings thus formed has been passed on for generations of families and has
been manifested up to the present day in Albania, Kosovo, and, partly, in Montenegro. "Blood
is never lost", states the Kanun2. The perpetrator is entitled to ask through the agency of a
mediator – a well-respected member of the community, for a besa – a vow that no one would
hurt him. Those who have not taken revenge, fall into social disgrace. At public gatherings
they are served coffee or brandy in cups and glasses with a bullet put inside, in order to be
urged to avenge the injury. The Code does not allow the murdering of women or children.
The only place where blood should not be shed is the house of the marked victim. Because of
the ruthlessness of blood feud, most of the houses in Northern Albania look like fortresses
built of stone, with small apertures serving as windows. Even to date many Albanians shut
themselves inside their houses where they remain isolated for life in order to escape from
blood vengeance.
#22618
Class envy is bullshit, whitely. Working class GOP voters got fed up with being shafted so the 1% could increase their wealth.  This is very, very American and happens once every 80 years or so. trump has started a process that will end up with workers taking over the system.
#22619
General discussion / Re: Depression
May 24, 2016, 05:30:16 AM
Quote from: Red Hand Man on May 23, 2016, 11:12:45 PM
Thanks Gold.

Can I just ask, does anyone have any opinion on using sleeping tablets to get off to sleep?  I seem to find it hardest when I'm lying in bed at night. Mind racing and dark thoughts. If I thought they would knock me out I think I'd go for it. Afraid of any side effects though.  Getting out of bed in the morning is tough enough as it is.
They help you get the rest you need when your brain is whirring and your sleep doesn't come like it does usually . You won't need them when you feel yourself again. It will take time to get back to yourself but you will do it.
#22620
GAA Discussion / Re: Joe McDonagh
May 23, 2016, 10:20:48 PM

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/thousands-pay-respects-to-former-gaa-president-joe-mcdonagh-1.2658037
Thousands pay respects to former GAA president Joe McDonagh

Former Galway hurler, GAA official, teacher and Irish language promoter died on Friday



Thousands of people travelled from all over Ireland and beyond to pay their respects to former GAA president Joe McDonagh last night.

Mr McDonagh reposed at the Cillín within Church of Mary Immaculate Queen in Barna in Galway throughout the day before his removal to the church late Monday night.

The former Galway hurler, GAA official, teacher, Irish language promoter and education administrator, passed away on Friday after a short illness aged 62.

GAA players, managers and officials were among thousands from all over the country who travelled to the small village at the entrance to Connemara.

They queued for hours outside the church which overlooks Galway Bay, with the church full to capacity an hour before Mr McDonagh's body was brought from his home a short distance away.

Mr McDonagh, who is survived by his wife Peig, son Eoin and daughters Muireann and Eilis, will be laid to rest at Rahoon Cemetery after noon mass on Tuesday.

He won an All-Ireland medal in 1980 when Galway ended a 57-year wait for the Liam McCarthy Cup and famously sang 'The West's Awake' after captain Joe Connolly collected the trophy.

Mr Connolly said Joe McDonagh was an integral figure in the revival of Galway hurling, but that was just one of the many things he achieved in his life.

"One thing I would absolutely say with certainty, in our era as Galway hurlers we had wonderful fun. We had brilliant fun from beginning to end. The greatest social nights you can imagine of a gathering of people, we had it.

"We took our hurling so seriously, there was a phenomenal spirit engendered in the group at the time, but bang in the middle of all that was Joe. He was just a wonderful raconteur, a wonderful singer, a great hurler.

"In his last few years, rising to the top of the GAA and education, we shared Joe with the country, but for those years we had him to ourselves when we were hurling for Galway," said the former Galway captain.

His former Ballindeereen and Galway colleague Noel Lane said that his long-time friend had left a huge legacy behind him.

"He lived in Barna in recent years and there is plenty of granite out there. Joe has laid granite foundations in so many things in the GAA, in education, in the Irish language. So many things that will benefit communities locally and internationally for years to come," he said.

A book of condolence is open at City Hall in Galway city, while Galway County Council held a minute's silence before their meeting in Abbeyknockmoy.