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Cunny Funt

Quote from: From the Bunker on September 19, 2020, 09:02:09 PM
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Quote from: Helix. on September 19, 2020, 07:30:36 PM
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Don't know what the value of each team but imagine CP worth a lot less, but their players are much more technically better. Zaha just class.
Is there a buyback clause for him I doubt it. Same shite again dreadful in defence. Queue the smartarses on the forum!

Zaha seems to want to leave Palace for a year or two, but nobody seems to want to take a chance on him. He'll be putting himself in the window with his performances until the transfer deadline. I wouldn't be surprised to see him back at United before it closes.

There was a reason Zaha was sold the first time. Just like there was a reason Pogba was sold the first time!

Players develop and improve though.

Has there ever been a case of a player sold and was brought back and was a success?
Mark Hughes?

sid waddell

Manchester United's recruitment under Solskjaer has been quite good but as a manager he's totally out of his depth

They are currently in a similar enough situation to the one Liverpool were in towards the end of Roy Evans's tenure

It's obvious they need a new manager but for purely sentimental reasons they're desperately trying to fool themselves into believing that Solskjaer is the answer, he isn't, and they know it, he knows it, everybody knows it

Pochettino hasn't taken a job since leaving Tottenham, he's clearly holding on for the Manchester United job, but he won't wait forever

Manchester United would very quickly become a very serious force with him in charge

Helix.

Quote from: Cunny Funt on September 19, 2020, 09:09:33 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 19, 2020, 09:02:09 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 19, 2020, 08:17:03 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 19, 2020, 08:02:12 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 19, 2020, 07:52:16 PM
Quote from: Helix. on September 19, 2020, 07:30:36 PM
Quote from: weareros on September 19, 2020, 07:23:13 PM
Don't know what the value of each team but imagine CP worth a lot less, but their players are much more technically better. Zaha just class.
Is there a buyback clause for him I doubt it. Same shite again dreadful in defence. Queue the smartarses on the forum!

Zaha seems to want to leave Palace for a year or two, but nobody seems to want to take a chance on him. He'll be putting himself in the window with his performances until the transfer deadline. I wouldn't be surprised to see him back at United before it closes.

There was a reason Zaha was sold the first time. Just like there was a reason Pogba was sold the first time!

Players develop and improve though.

Has there ever been a case of a player sold and was brought back and was a success?
Mark Hughes?
Gerard Pique

sid waddell

Quote from: Helix. on September 19, 2020, 09:10:51 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on September 19, 2020, 09:09:33 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 19, 2020, 09:02:09 PM

Has there ever been a case of a player sold and was brought back and was a success?
Mark Hughes?
Gerard Pique
Matic at Chelsea

Peter Beardsley at Newcastle

Liam Coyle at Derry City

Farrandeelin

Quote from: sid waddell on September 19, 2020, 09:10:26 PM
Manchester United's recruitment under Solskjaer has been quite good but as a manager he's totally out of his depth

They are currently in a similar enough situation to the one Liverpool were in towards the end of Roy Evans's tenure

It's obvious they need a new manager but for purely sentimental reasons they're desperately trying to fool themselves into believing that Solskjaer is the answer, he isn't, and they know it, he knows it, everybody knows it

Pochettino hasn't taken a job since leaving Tottenham, he's clearly holding on for the Manchester United job, but he won't wait forever

Manchester United would very quickly become a very serious force with him in charge

Excellent post. The first three paragraphs in particular. Loitering in and around 4th to 7th for the foreseeable future unless the board change tack.

Poch may or may not improve the team to title-winning standards though, but it would be nice to be in with a haf chance in April.
Inaugural Football Championship Prediction Winner.

BennyCake

Was thinking the same earlier. United now akin to Liverpool around 96-98. United now have the players equivalent to the likes of Calamity James, Collymore, Redknapp, Matteo, Bjornbye, Babb, Ruddock...ie. just not good enough.

sid waddell

Quote from: laoislad on September 19, 2020, 09:12:44 PM

Ian Rush
Rush was never quite the same when he came back

Aldridge remained first choice in 88/89 and it was really only as a sub in the FA Cup final against Everton that the old Rush sparkle surfaced again

He had two decent enough seasons after that but not as good as the pre-1987 period when he was the best striker in the world

By 91/92 he was firmly past his best, as were Liverpool

rodney trotter

Quote from: BennyCake on September 19, 2020, 09:24:45 PM
Was thinking the same earlier. United now akin to Liverpool around 96-98. United now have the players equivalent to the likes of Calamity James, Collymore, Redknapp, Matteo, Bjornbye, Babb, Ruddock...ie. just not good enough.

McAteer la,.

brokencrossbar1

I didn't see the game so won't comment on it but the question maybe has to be asked whether there is any draw to United the way there used to be?  Ole is not the most inspiring manager, also doesn't seem to have a whole pile of control. They can throw all the money they want at players but they're not close to being a challenging team. They're in the no mans land that LFC were in after Kenny quit

sid waddell

Quote from: BennyCake on September 19, 2020, 09:24:45 PM
Was thinking the same earlier. United now akin to Liverpool around 96-98. United now have the players equivalent to the likes of Calamity James, Collymore, Redknapp, Matteo, Bjornbye, Babb, Ruddock...ie. just not good enough.
The current United team hasn't been as close to challenging as that Liverpool team - Liverpool had two genuine chances of winning the league in '96 and particularly '97 but weren't good enough

But they're in a better position monetarily so the future is brighter for them

One decent managerial appointment makes all the difference now

Liverpool went into a serious malaise around '98 - that was the point where they became properly seen as an also ran rather than a natural title-winning club, and despite some memorable trophy wins and a couple of title challenges over the next two decades they never properly emerged from it until Klopp came along

Houllier wasn't the right appointment for Liverpool

Benitez was but the game was stacked against him

Rodgers almost performed a miracle on the back of arguably the best player ever to play for Liverpool

But they were always winging it

sid waddell

Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 19, 2020, 09:35:56 PM
I didn't see the game so won't comment on it but the question maybe has to be asked whether there is any draw to United the way there used to be? Ole is not the most inspiring manager, also doesn't seem to have a whole pile of control. They can throw all the money they want at players but they're not close to being a challenging team. They're in the no mans land that LFC were in after Kenny quit
That's where the right managerial appointment comes in

Under Pochettino Manchester United would become a serious draw for top players

Look how Klopp turned it around at Liverpool

Players suddenly wanted to go there

Manchester United because of what they are as a club will always have the potential for a quick turnaround


square_ball

Quote from: BennyCake on September 19, 2020, 09:24:45 PM
Was thinking the same earlier. United now akin to Liverpool around 96-98. United now have the players equivalent to the likes of Calamity James, Collymore, Redknapp, Matteo, Bjornbye, Babb, Ruddock...ie. just not good enough.

Collymore was a brilliant striker around that time.

Cunny Funt

Quote from: sid waddell on September 19, 2020, 09:10:26 PM
Manchester United's recruitment under Solskjaer has been quite good but as a manager he's totally out of his depth

They are currently in a similar enough situation to the one Liverpool were in towards the end of Roy Evans's tenure

It's obvious they need a new manager but for purely sentimental reasons they're desperately trying to fool themselves into believing that Solskjaer is the answer, he isn't, and they know it, he knows it, everybody knows it

Pochettino hasn't taken a job since leaving Tottenham, he's clearly holding on for the Manchester United job, but he won't wait forever

Manchester United would very quickly become a very serious force with him in charge

You rate Poch a little too highly is you really believe that. Regardless of manager the Glazers, Woodward and the board will remain the main issue with United.

From the Bunker

Quote from: sid waddell on September 19, 2020, 09:14:59 PM
Quote from: Helix. on September 19, 2020, 09:10:51 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on September 19, 2020, 09:09:33 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 19, 2020, 09:02:09 PM

Has there ever been a case of a player sold and was brought back and was a success?
Mark Hughes?
Gerard Pique
Matic at Chelsea

Peter Beardsley at Newcastle

Liam Coyle at Derry City

I should have asked this question

Has there ever been a case of a player sold as a failure and was brought back and was a success?

Ed Ricketts

Quote from: Cunny Funt on September 19, 2020, 09:45:44 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 19, 2020, 09:10:26 PM
Manchester United's recruitment under Solskjaer has been quite good but as a manager he's totally out of his depth

They are currently in a similar enough situation to the one Liverpool were in towards the end of Roy Evans's tenure

It's obvious they need a new manager but for purely sentimental reasons they're desperately trying to fool themselves into believing that Solskjaer is the answer, he isn't, and they know it, he knows it, everybody knows it

Pochettino hasn't taken a job since leaving Tottenham, he's clearly holding on for the Manchester United job, but he won't wait forever

Manchester United would very quickly become a very serious force with him in charge

You rate Poch a little too highly is you really believe that. Regardless of manager the Glazers, Woodward and the board will remain the main issue with United.

Yeah, it's questionable that any manager out there is capable of taking the club back to the top under the current ownership.

Money is spent, but with no real vision or consistent direction. Everything is haphazard, panicked, delayed, or done for the wrong reasons.

Investment is routinely deferred until long after it's necessary, resulting in gross overpayments when the need becomes blindingly obvious. Even then, transfer sagas can run for months, or even across windows, because of penny-pinching over the last few percent.

That wiff of desperation to plug gaps in the squad will grow stronger over the next couple of weeks, and any player the club attempt to sign will have a few extra million thrown onto their price tag. The same happens every transfer window. Silly games of brinkmanship that always result in United eventually overpaying and Woodward coming away looking like a tit.

But there's no urgency to do things better, because as long as the CL cash is coming in none of this really matters.
Doc would listen to any kind of nonsense and change it for you to a kind of wisdom.