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Seems the Amy Covid Barrett announcement was a superspreader event

Ugh, filthy, Republicans have terrible hygiene

Just stumbled across this trileacman, didn't go looking for it or anything, it flashed up on my Twitter timeline so I couldn't avoid it

You can find people who'll believe anything

Most of them aren't running for Congress though, that's the thing

The Republicans seem to have a lot of these types, including Trump himself obviously

https://twitter.com/DeAnna4Congress/status/1312073105565716488

Could Trump catching COVID-19 technically be viewed as an assassination attempt on our President by the Chinese?

You can find people on the internet who believe anything

You shouldn't worry yourself over it

It's like you're trying to give yourself stress over nothing

I suppose the difference between me and you there is that I wasn't going out of my way to find stupid people on the internet to reaffirm my confirmation biases

Just stumbled across this trileacman, didn't go looking for it or anything, it flashed up on my Twitter timeline so I couldn't avoid it

You can find people who'll believe anything

Most of them aren't running for Congress though, that's the thing

The Republicans seem to have a lot of these types, including Trump himself obviously

https://twitter.com/DeAnna4Congress/status/1312073105565716488

Could Trump catching COVID-19 technically be viewed as an assassination attempt on our President by the Chinese?

Away to hospital, but looks grand on his twitter video.

Course he's grand, the whole focus on this is a parable for our times

Much ado about nothing

Zero Covid is not eradication, it's reduction of community transmission to zero

Wha? Which experts do you agree with then? NPET? the British experts? the Swedish experts? Which experts have been right?

There's no need to respond with "eejit" personal abuse sid. If you can't argue your point convincingly then just say nothing.

It's not that complicated, mate

Zero Covid and the current strategy in Eire are both a hell of a lot better than letting the virus rip

I said you were veering into eejitry because you are

My position is perfectly logical

And you're the person that needs to answer the question about what's an acceptable level of death because you're the person proposing to let the virus rip, not me

Where'd I say let the virus rip?

mate.

Here

So in a herd immunity plan we'd be talking about younger and healthy people being infected by Covid and isolating the elderly and those with co-morbidities. About 75% of the Irish population are under 55. So about 3.75 million. Now about 3.6% of under 55 who are infected will require hospitalisation (the math on that is a bit sketchy, it's from this paper https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.23.20076042v1.full.pdf but could do with being updated). Now 17% of hospital admissions need an ICU bed so 17% of 3.6% = 0.6%. So 0.6% of people will need an ICU bed if we only infect under 55s. There's currently 400 odd ICU beds in Ireland. Say we keep 100 for non-covid cases. That leaves 300 ICU beds. Average ICU stay is 7 days. So we can infect 50,000 people weekly with out maxing out ICU capacity if we only infect the under 55s.

The people who believe Trump doesn't actually have Covid are right up there in conspiracy cloud 9 with the Qanon loonies.

Who are these people?

Your imagination seems to be running wild

Go over to Twitter there and type in @votebluetosaveamerica or @blue stocking or @liberalfoo @quincyclayborne

https://twitter.com/liberalfoo/status/1311860525848948736

You can find people on the internet who believe anything

Believing Trump doesn't have Covid is quite reasonable compared to most of those things

You shouldn't worry yourself over it

It's like you're trying to give yourself stress over nothing

President Superspreader

What a f**king irresponsible ****

The people who believe Trump doesn't actually have Covid are right up there in conspiracy cloud 9 with the Qanon loonies.

Who are these people?

Your imagination seems to be running wild

Zero Covid is not eradication, it's reduction of community transmission to zero

Wha? Which experts do you agree with then? NPET? the British experts? the Swedish experts? Which experts have been right?

There's no need to respond with "eejit" personal abuse sid. If you can't argue your point convincingly then just say nothing.

It's not that complicated, mate

Zero Covid and the current strategy in Eire are both a hell of a lot better than letting the virus rip

I said you were veering into eejitry because you are

My position is perfectly logical

And you're the person that needs to answer the question about what's an acceptable level of death because you're the person proposing to let the virus rip, not me

That's always an option and as a layman looking at the figures I'd say it's well possible at some stage in the not too distant future

I'm not an expert so I can't say whether it's necessary - I trust NPHET to make the right decision though - they're the experts

Again as a layman looking at the NI figures it would seem to me that it will probably be necessary there very soon

It looks like the nature of tinkering with liberalisation of the restrictions is that at some stage you go slightly too far and have to apply quenching measures

I have a lot a sympathy for those making the decisions because they're trying to juggle public health and sustaining people's livelihoods, it's a lot of responsibility

The aim of policy has to be to minimise deaths, this is the most basic function of government

I think the zero Covid strategy is worth a genuinely serious investigation, that would be the only way you could open up your internal economy fully with no restrictions

I don't see how you can equivocate these two positions you have sid. You think lockdown might be necessary soon in Northern Ireland? What are they waiting for then? Why are they letting people catch the virus? Why are they letting people suffer from the long-term consequences of it? If the virus is so serious, can strike down any age group, can have sure debilitating long lasting effects why the fcuk would you accept that it's necessary to continue to let people catch it?

Have you given up hope that the government will try to eradicate this disease?

Wha?

The experts are the people who decide whether a lockdown will be necessary

They have the figures and the data and the expertise to know whether one is necessary, if it's necessary I expect there will be one

Zero Covid is not eradication, it's reduction of community transmission to zero as far as I know

Your debating strategy is going into full blown internet eejit territory

Meh, we've been through all this before with Johnson

Choreographed shite designed to elicit sympathy, will probably work too

You said the aim was to reduce deaths, now you're saying it's a balancing act between opening up and reducing deaths. So which is it? What level of deaths are acceptable?

You're just being an internet eejit

Can you answer the question or not? What level of deaths are acceptable?

Clearly in your case it's a hell of a lot more than mine given that you're proposing letting the virus rip through the population

I'm not proposing that, so it's you that should be answering that question, not me

Right I'll ask a simpler question for you. Should the government not issue a full-lockdown to get on top of current Covid infections, given that the rise in infections will undoubtedly lead to deaths and people having long term health effects?

That's always an option and as a layman looking at the figures I'd say it's well possible at some stage in the not too distant future

I'm not an expert so I can't say whether it's necessary - I trust NPHET to make the right decision though - they're the experts

Again as a layman looking at the NI figures it would seem to me that it will probably be necessary there very soon

It looks like the nature of tinkering with liberalisation of the restrictions is that at some stage you go slightly too far and have to apply quenching measures

I have a lot a sympathy for those making the decisions because they're trying to juggle public health and sustaining people's livelihoods, it's a lot of responsibility

With the rapid  daily growth of the coronavirus throughout the whole country but especially in  Ulster, I would think that the likelihood of either the National Leagues or Provincial and All Ireland championships taking place this year are disappearing fast. Most counties who have not yet completed their county championships in both codes will be lucky to do so.

Maybe they could just play it off this weekend?

Forget about matches and go straight to penalties - a 32 team knockout penalty shoot out competition for the All-Ireland

It'd be box office

Let's use rock, paper, scissors to find All Ireland winner this year.

Rock has been used to decide the All-Ireland winner in six of the last seven years

Paper beats rock, GPS trackers do not.

No wonder Dublin players never spoke to the press during the Championship

You said the aim was to reduce deaths, now you're saying it's a balancing act between opening up and reducing deaths. So which is it? What level of deaths are acceptable?

You're just being an internet eejit

Can you answer the question or not? What level of deaths are acceptable?

Clearly in your case it's a hell of a lot more than mine given that you're proposing letting the virus rip through the population

I'm not proposing that, so it's you that should be answering that question, not me

Perhaps Trump is planning to fake his own death

His good friend Vince McMahon did it, and McMahon's wife is in Trump's cabinet

So there is precedent there in this regime