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SHAMROCK ROVERS PAID NOTHING -FACT

you are lying. TD arent even suggesting that in the High Court.


the panicked reaction from TD at the last possible point they could object. not during planning etc.

Point one - I'm not lying -why was the builder only paid the amount of the Lotto Grant and left being owed €400k.All he got was the amount of the lotto grant.They might have given a few bob to whoever drew up plans/Engineers or whatever but to the building itself -NOTHING.

Point 2 -you can't object in the normal sense when a Local Authority is proposing something. They advertise and seek public submissions. Either Thos Davis alone or all the GAA clubs in Tallaght(I'm told there are 5 ? a good lot of votes there !!! and one of them is SF "friendly" I believe) wrote in saying that a municipal stadium should be also available for GAA games which led to the Councillors original vote to amend the plans to make the pitch big enough for football/hurling.
Then enter the Kerry  ******ks with his Sham Rovers/Soccer only  - followed by the application to the Courts by Davis's.

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the council have payed nothing yet.

we need the actual facts of the situation out there, and with respect Rossfan, you arent helping.

The SDCC have paid quite an amount of money on this -I will get the amount from my mate the South Dublin Council official when he's back working next week.
SHAMROCK ROVERS PAID NOTHING -FACT
I am obviously not helping your selective opinion on this matter by telling the inconvenient  truth.
As for the original proposal  - THAT WAS _THE COUNCIL GAVE A SITE TO SHAMS ,SHAMS APPLIED FOR PLANNING TO BUILD A STADIUM WHICH THEY WOULD BUILD WITH LOTTO FUNDING AND PRESUMABLY 25% OF THEIR OWN. They were to pay a rent of £10,000 to the Council none of which was paid.
Then the Council took back the lease after 5 or 6 years of looking at a semi derelict site and no rent coming in.
Then the Council went through the Special Planning process for Local Authorities to build a soccer only Stadium. After all the public submissions were examined the Councillors voted to amend the plans that were put out for public consumption to make the pitch big enough to accomodate Gaelic Games .
This was only right as it was now to be a totally public funded "Municipal Stadium" which imlpies that Soccer/GAA/Rugby/Hockey or anyone else could seek to use it -presumably by applying to and paying the Council for its use.
But enter the pompous ass from Kerry -"Soccer or nothing"
As for the Independent having facts - dont make me laugh -that rag

[outfit Shamrock Rovers seem to be exempt from that.

. SRFC have put €2m in. .

PLEASE STOP PEDDLING UNTRUTHS - SHAMROCK ROVERS PUT EXACTLY NOTHING IN FOR **** SAKE.
They get the builder to do €2.3m worth of work - and then got grant of IR£ 1.5m(€1.9m).
The Council had to pay the Builder the other €400k.

REPEAT AFTER ME SHAM ROVERS PUT NOTHING INTO THE THING.

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Are we still persisting with this innaccurate line that Rovers, and now Athlone, are getting 'free' stadia? .

Not sure about Athlone but Shams ARE to get a stadium built by the Government through the local Council.
Normally when Sports clubs/organisations get lotto grants they have to put up at least 25% of the funds themselves. But this failed professional/commercial outfit Shamrock Rovers seem to be exempt from that.
WHY ?
and "Dublin"fella -what is your agenda,what GAA club  ::)do you belong to?

dublinfella, correct me if i'm wrong on any of this. rovers are a professional soccer club, not in public ownership, who a no. of years ago sold their home to a developer and now what to be given a free facility to continue on running a professional club from it. none of the other banana republic on this planet would put up with that crap. athlone town were just handed a stadium after twenty five years of unbelievable incompetence.....

What's more Sham Rovers were given a FREE site(the same one) by the local Council about 9 years ago to build a  Stadium but of course they had no money and when the Grant ran out everything stopped .
What a pathetic shower of crappy wasters.
As for O'Donoghue - he's not very politically adept is he? esp in Election year.
Seems he has a"plan" that there is to be 2 Soccer stadia in Dublin -one North for Shelbourne/Bohemians and one South for Shams/St Pats.
Of course St Pat's having a local identity and tradition in the West Dublin area dont want to have anything to do with this "plan" so why does he persist.
Surely any politician with an ounce of savvy should invite all parties to sit around the table with him and hammer out a deal to keep them all onside?
As for Athlone -with the "crowds" they get sure an oul' field along the Shannon would be sufficient  - or rent the Buccaneers place.

Problem is the Tallaght facility is intended to be given over to Shamrock Rovers again when the Stadium is built as opposed to being run by the Council for use by the public who pay as they use swimming pools,golf courses etc.

I agree with you Croí - much prefer to stand at a game.

This kind of shit should not be allowed. I hope Wicklow get whats coming to them for employing that p***k O'Dwyer.

Looking at the league tables, it's not beyond the bounds of possibility that Micko and Páidí might yet be slugging it out for the Tommy Cooper Cup.

Here's hoping.

I'm with Laurel and Seanie on this one - Maughan will have  us in there too the overpaid *******

well the contract was signed in 1999, the money is outstanding due 100% to TD blocking the completion of the project. the feeis fixed.

1-No Builder will do a job in 2007 at 1999 prices.
2- It was Sham Rovers who had the initial contract - now it will be the Council and I have yet to meet a builder who hasnt got a "special" public contract price !!!
3- Shamrock Rovers reneged on the whole deal by not completing the Stadium for which they had Planning Permission ,which permission expired after 5 years. It was Shams who left the Builder short of about €400,000 .
As for TD blocking completion of the project -they are raising a legal point of serious public importance so equally you could say O'Donoghue is blocking it by not going with the local Councillors wishes of amnending the plans for what is now a Municipal Stadium to accomodate Gaelic Games.
Anyway if you are the Sec of a Dublin GAA Club why doesnt one of your people ask the question ya spoofer ya .

there is no tender, the builders are already in place, the delay is due to thomas davis. i call bullshit.

I doubt the builders will do the job at 1999 prices.

your sources?   -- An official of SDCC

11m? - Estimate by SDCC official - wait till they go to tender -maybe 14m

on a 6m project? -  EH ?? in Ireland - you are joking

There is a lot of bull floating in this issus, and your post is full if it.  - you are the one consistent bull spouter on this item . - what ever your agenda is ?

[How much public cash went to Shamrock Rovers?

At the moment €2m in lotto funds, €2m from Rovers themselves and the SDCC want to put in €2m to finish it. Zero on the table from Thomas Davis.

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For F*** sake will you ever shut up with your rubbish.
Shamrock Rovers put nothing into Tallaght -that;' why the Council took the lease back.
There was £1.5m in lotto money and when that ran out -owing a builder €3-400,000 - everything stopped.
My sources tell me it will now cost €11 million to build the Soccer only version of this stadium and Shams will still be putting NOTHING into it !!!

My very best wishes for a speedy recovery to full health.

Firmly in the NO camp on this one.
I was and still am to a point in favour of helping out the neighbours in the current temporary little arrangement till they rebuild their own house( if ).
However there is no gain whatsoever to be had by the GAA for handing over it's National HQ to the Government or whoever to be shared with all sports. Presumably an athletic track would also have to be put in.
Can you imagine  (some time in the distant fuure mind you) the Irish Soccer team having a last round World Cup/European Qualifier v France/Germany /Italy etc in late September - what media etc pressure would come on the GAA to put back the All Ireland Final "in the National Interest?

I have to laugh at the Clare lad talking about O'Neill being dirty .
Six of his lads got yellow cards and a few more got away wih late off the ball stuff etc.
O'Neill is only back training a short while following an operation while Casey is also only getting back to fitness.
We were awful in the first half and middlin in the second against what i thought was the worst Inter County team I ever saw in the Hyde.
Sligoprat neednt worry too much about us in June as we are going nowhere for at least two more years -  but when they win ANYTHING we wont mind if they boast a little.