Elections North and South

[smelmoth]

Silly question which could be asked about any political party, in any country, ever.

Of course it can be asked of any party- so let's do that instead of dismissing it as a silly question. Some parties really don't like accountability

When someone claims to have presented an objective analysis of the positives and negatives it's perfectly fair and sensible to ask them to detail the negatives that they claim to have set out

[smelmoth]

Well put.  Strongly considering voting for Naomi as I think she's got lots of ability but if the view of the Alliance party is that Nationalist feelings are 'baggage' to be 'left at the door' then I'd have to think again about that.  In saying that, I don't rate the SDLP at all, as their MO is simply to attack SF (trailer displays this nonsense perfectly on here - is he Daniel McCrossan??).  They are pro-EU though so for that reason would be worth a transfer.  Would consider SF but Anderson IMO is a woeful candidate.  I just won't be voting unionist.  So all in all, who knows.

Don't make the mistake of confusing my view with that of Alliance. I have already said I'm not a member and have referenced a few candidates I would vote for over an Alliance candidate based upon ability

You only have to look at the posts of SF supporting posters here. Can we take their repeated positions ( as opposed to an expression that some have chosen to wilfully misinterpret) as SF positions? We can have great fun if that's the case

Nice bit of wriggling but you didn't put it across as your view, you said explicitly that this was the view of the Alliance Party.  So either it is the view of Alliance or you were spouting nonsense.

My bad. Clumsy language on my part. Point taken

[smelmoth]

In the North they distribute the votes as a proportion, in the South they take the required number from different boxes.

That sounds very dodgy

[smelmoth]

Can Mary Lou survive this disastrous election? 12 points down in Dublin! 9 in Cork! Talk that they may not hold any of the MEP seats! The nutting squad will be looking for her head I'd suspect!

35% collapse in the SF vote is pretty emphatic

Leader, policy, quality of candidates, track record in office, protest vote trends would all be possible factors

[smelmoth]

This from Darran Marshall, looking good for Long.

New

SDLP rallies suggest Diane Dodds will top the poll. UUP will lose seat.

Dodds 102,000
Anderson 97,000
Long 75,000
Eastwood 55,000
Allister 47,000
Kennedy 40,000
Bailey 7,000

#EuropeanElections2019
@BBCNewsNI

Could be a long day if those numbers are accurate. SF and DUP are way short of 144k quota. TUV will transfer to DUP but where do SF get 47k transfers. Eastwood only has 55k transfers and on those numbers would only be eliminated on the final count?? Am I reading that correctly?

[Harold Disgracey]

Wee Jeffrey reckons Long could possibly get 100,000 first preference votes. Remarkable if that happens and shows people did indeed vote tactically.

[Owen Brannigan]

This from Darran Marshall, looking good for Long.

New

SDLP rallies suggest Diane Dodds will top the poll. UUP will lose seat.

Dodds 102,000
Anderson 97,000
Long 75,000
Eastwood 55,000
Allister 47,000
Kennedy 40,000
Bailey 7,000

#EuropeanElections2019
@BBCNewsNI

So basically DUP and SF can put up anyone and still get voted in?

Has always been the case. Just take a close look at some of the candidates up for election or those elected for the Assembly and you see a dearth of intellectual depth hence when they are chosen at random to run multi-million pound ministries they are totally out of their depth.  Look at RHI for the DUP and the failures in agriculture, education and health to make any impact in 10 years in power by SF-DUP.

[Harold Disgracey]

Huge Northern Ireland EU Election result:
Anderson (SF) 126,951
Dodds (DUP) 124,991
Long (Alliance) 105,928
Eastwood (SDLP) 78,589
Allister (TUV) 62,021
Kennedy (UUP) 53,052
Bailey (Green) 12,471
Hill (UKIP) 5,115
Morrice (Ind) 1,719
McCann (Ind) 948
Singh Bhogal (Con) 662

[dec]

Anderson         (SF)       126,951        22.18%       N
Dodds           (DUP)       124,991        21.83%       U
Long       (Alliance)       105,928        18.50%       O
Eastwood       (SDLP)        78,589        13.73%       N
Allister        (TUV)        62,021        10.83%       U
Kennedy         (UUP)        53,052        9.27%        U
Bailey        (Green)        12,471        2.18%        O
Hill           (UKIP)         5,115        0.89%        U
Morrice         (Ind)         1,719        0.30%        O
McCann          (Ind)           948        0.17%        O
Singh Bhogal    (Con)           662        0.12%        U

Total Vote                  572,447               

Quota                       143,112               

Unionist                      42.95%               
Nationalist                   35.91%               
Other                         21.15%

[smelmoth]

Martina says SF strategically told people to not vote for them. A stratagem that was spectacularly successful in ROI

[marty34]

This from Darran Marshall, looking good for Long.

New

SDLP rallies suggest Diane Dodds will top the poll. UUP will lose seat.

Dodds 102,000
Anderson 97,000
Long 75,000
Eastwood 55,000
Allister 47,000
Kennedy 40,000
Bailey 7,000

#EuropeanElections2019
@BBCNewsNI

So basically DUP and SF can put up anyone and still get voted in?

Has always been the case. Just take a close look at some of the candidates up for election or those elected for the Assembly and you see a dearth of intellectual depth hence when they are chosen at random to run multi-million pound ministries they are totally out of their depth.  Look at RHI for the DUP and the failures in agriculture, education and health to make any impact in 10 years in power by SF-DUP.

It's true everywhere - even in the the south.  Look at the 3 from Primetime, never mind the mess around the children's hospital, the lengthening of waiting lists in hospitals and the housing ceisis - people still endorse FF and FG.

[trailer]

Chris McGimpsey couldn't articulate the UUP position on Brexit so there was no hope of any of their voters understanding it. A shambles of an election for them. Overtaken by Jim Allister. It seems the moderate unionist has switched to Long who also appears to have taken some votes off SF.

[GiveItToTheShooters]

Chris McGimpsey couldn't articulate the UUP position on Brexit so there was no hope of any of their voters understanding it. A shambles of an election for them. Overtaken by Jim Allister. It seems the moderate unionist has switched to Long who also appears to have taken some votes off SF.

Long's high vote could be a lot to do with SF voters confident that Anderson would get elected anyway and wanting a 2nd Pro-remain seat.

[Rossfan]

This from Darran Marshall, looking good for Long.

New

SDLP rallies suggest Diane Dodds will top the poll. UUP will lose seat.

Dodds 102,000
Anderson 97,000
Long 75,000
Eastwood 55,000
Allister 47,000
Kennedy 40,000
Bailey 7,000

#EuropeanElections2019
@BBCNewsNI

So basically DUP and SF can put up anyone and still get voted in?

Has always been the case. Just take a close look at some of the candidates up for election or those elected for the Assembly and you see a dearth of intellectual depth hence when they are chosen at random to run multi-million pound ministries they are totally out of their depth.  Look at RHI for the DUP and the failures in agriculture, education and health to make any impact in 10 years in power by SF-DUP.

It's true everywhere - even in the the south.  Look at the 3 from Primetime, never mind the mess around the children's hospital, the lengthening of waiting lists in hospitals and the housing ceisis - people still endorse FF and FG.

Maybe if the others had some practical policies or plans to improve things rather than protesting and shouting slogans.....

[Tony Baloney]

Long takes the second seat with Anderson in 3rd.