UK General Election 2017

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johnneycool

Quote from: Applesisapples on June 29, 2017, 09:21:41 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 29, 2017, 09:18:39 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 29, 2017, 09:04:31 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on June 29, 2017, 08:47:04 AM
DUP votes needed to block Corbyns amendment to block the public service funding cuts and public service pay cap!!

The shape of things to come.

Not unexpected after they signed up for austerity but it just shows how irrelevant they are when it comes to having any real influence. Preaching one thing and doing another.

I disagree, Corbyn knew he would lose this vote but last week the Torys were suggesting that they were thinking of relaxing the freeze on public sector pay, clearly an attempt to appease public opinion. The Labour amendment, forcing them to vote on it, shows their true colours and highlights exactly were the Conservatives stand. I think this is a decent move by Labour - its all about chipping away at the Conservative bullsh*t.
Exactly designed to put the Con/DUP alliance in a bad light with the public, worked a treat.

In a normal world these types of votes would have potential to chip away at the working class DUP vote, but Norn Iron isn't normal......

BennyHarp

Stella Creasy has put forward an amendment to the Queen's speech to guarantee the rights of Northern Irish women to come to England and Wales to have an abortion. This will put the cat amongst the pigeons of the cosy relationship between the DUP and some Tories. Clear strategy on Labour's behalf to make things uncomfortable for this alliance.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/29/rebel-tories-could-back-northern-ireland-abortion-amendment
That was never a square ball!!

Franko

How long before our resident unionist, nationalist, liberal, conservative, general know-all comes along to explain to everyone how Corbyn is doing it all wrong and it's actually Sinn Fein's fault.

GJL

Quote from: johnneycool on June 29, 2017, 08:47:04 AM
DUP votes needed to block Corbyns amendment to block the public service funding cuts and public service pay cap!!

The shape of things to come.

The shape of things to come for how long though?

I can't see this lasting. Another general election within 12 months.

trileacman

Quote from: GJL on June 29, 2017, 12:37:07 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on June 29, 2017, 08:47:04 AM
DUP votes needed to block Corbyns amendment to block the public service funding cuts and public service pay cap!!

The shape of things to come.

The shape of things to come for how long though?

I can't see this lasting. Another general election within 12 months.

Sf abstentionism will mean it will last longer than it should. May can afford 7 rebel MPs more than she should be allowed.
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johnneycool

Quote from: trileacman on June 29, 2017, 01:27:09 PM
Quote from: GJL on June 29, 2017, 12:37:07 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on June 29, 2017, 08:47:04 AM
DUP votes needed to block Corbyns amendment to block the public service funding cuts and public service pay cap!!

The shape of things to come.

The shape of things to come for how long though?

I can't see this lasting. Another general election within 12 months.

Sf abstentionism will mean it will last longer than it should. May can afford 7 rebel MPs more than she should be allowed.

I don't think anyone who voted for them will be surprised to find that abstaining from Westminster has been one of their policies since pussy was a cat and that isn't going to change any time soon.

I do believe May will face a leadership challenge from within the Tory party later this year and after that, Brexit, deals with the DUP and so forth will be up in the air again.

I do believe that the York street junction needs sorted all the same!   8)

Fiodoir Ard Mhacha

Westminster votes to allow NI women to travel to England for abortions on the NHS. Much to the DUP's chagrin. Day 2 of the coalition of crackpots and it's already beginning to hurt them where it really smarts - their idea that they are our social and ethical guardians.
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yellowcard

Quote from: Fiodoir Ard Mhacha on June 29, 2017, 05:09:31 PM
Westminster votes to allow NI women to travel to England for abortions on the NHS. Much to the DUP's chagrin. Day 2 of the coalition of crackpots and it's already beginning to hurt them where it really smarts - their idea that they are our social and ethical guardians.

Just shows that the DUP may think that they have a big influence on the UK government and yet free abortions have been granted for women from here through the NHS whilst the DUP are in effective government in the UK. Direct rule will mean them getting all the heat for these decisions. Abortion gone through today and public sector pay freeze yesterday.

Minder

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manfromdelmonte

Quote from: Fiodoir Ard Mhacha on June 29, 2017, 05:09:31 PM
Westminster votes to allow NI women to travel to England for abortions on the NHS. Much to the DUP's chagrin. Day 2 of the coalition of crackpots and it's already beginning to hurt them where it really smarts - their idea that they are our social and ethical guardians.
the funniest thing is the Tories couldn't put it to a vote, as to get it through the DUP would have to vote for it!!!

BennyCake

Re: abortions thing - Westminster went over dup/ni heads. They passed down law without agreement from here. It's the very same as what the EU does to it's members. Hence the downfalls of being part of a union.

dec

Quote from: Fiodoir Ard Mhacha on June 29, 2017, 05:09:31 PM
Westminster votes to allow NI women to travel to England for abortions on the NHS.

Not quite. Women could already travel. They just had to pay for the Abortion. The rule now is that the NHS will cover the cost like they do for anyone else from the UK.

dec

Quote from: BennyCake on June 29, 2017, 09:52:43 PM
Re: abortions thing - Westminster went over dup/ni heads. They passed down law without agreement from here. It's the very same as what the EU does to it's members. Hence the downfalls of being part of a union.

Agreement from "here" is not required. This is just addressing what NHS England will provide for free to women from NI. It doesn't affect the law on Abortion in NI.

BennyCake

Shouldn't the DUP have negotiated on this then? Surely they knew it was coming?

dec

Quote from: BennyCake on June 29, 2017, 10:00:01 PM
Shouldn't the DUP have negotiated on this then? Surely they knew it was coming?

If the DUP try to interfere in the rules on paying for abortion in England then maybe the English parties will feel like interfering in the abortion rules in NI. This was a smart move from the DUP's point of view. "We will leave you alone if you leave us alone"