Just wondering if is it a feasible proposition? Are chargers becoming more common at service stations? What is a Self charging Hybrid? A Prius by an other name?. How many completely electric cars are there? What range do they have?
Quote from: Denn Forever on September 02, 2019, 02:01:35 PM
Just wondering if is it a feasible proposition? Are chargers becoming more common at service stations? What is a Self charging Hybrid? A Prius by an other name?. How many completely electric cars are there? What range do they have?
I've a model S with 600km range. In reality it is more around 450km but that could be more. depending on how you drive. No issues finding chargers when I need one but that is more down to where I live/work.
As for being an ego boost, I'm assuming you mean from a smug environmental point of view? In reality I bought it because it is an absolute weapon and a lots of fun to drive for a day to day car ;D
Definitely a real alternative, we have a Jaguar I-Pace. Jag are doing great lease deals in the UK at the minute and are also offering a free 24 hour test drive, where they will deliver it to your door fully charged and pick it up again the next day. They believe the cars sell themselves, which is true up to a point. The main selling point for us was that the wife has access to free charging at work, so practically zero running costs. Zero maintenance so far, though it does have 22" wheels so tyres will be expensive when they need replacing. Typical Jag build quality which means a few squeaks and rattles and a lot of the interior equipment is carried over from other models, which isn't necessarily a good thing, but you do have a full dealer network to rely on should things ever go wrong. Range wise you'll get just over 200 miles on a full charge.
It's not a Tesla, not as fast as a Model S with Ludicrous mode, though it is still a pretty fast car, you will be above the speed limit in the blink of an eye, but it is a big car and you need to remember this on a country road. Thankfully it's a lot cheaper than a Tesla, which are overpriced for what you get in my opinion and their build quality is questionable to say the least.
The first electric car I ever drove was a Nissan Leaf and it was an absolute hoot. Small, agile and again surprisingly quick. The Hyundai range of electric cars are supposed to be excellent value for money, though I haven't driven one, but they could be worth a look.
Now the down sides, firstly the cars may be zero emissions, but the 'fuel' has to be produced somewhere. A lot of European power stations are actually going back to using coal in the near future, which obviously will have an environmental impact. They take a lot longer to refuel than a regular car and you will need to have a charger fitted at home. Batteries have a life span and will need to be replaced at some point in the future and are very expensive. Its also quite new technology so when something goes wrong it will be expensive to fix. As they become more popular charging points are becoming more difficult to find and people can be quite selfish and park in a charging bay all day or even worse park a normal car in one and block it. You will in all likelihood have your lead removed or stolen while you charge if you aren't in or near the car.
Tesla won't last as a car manufacturer, the numbers don't add up and Musk is guilty of some very creative accounting to keep the whole thing afloat. When it does go belly up, one of the mainstream manufacturers will cherry pick whats left of the company and that's when I think EV's will become a lot more mainstream. And don't buy one of the more expensive models, rent it. You'll pay a lot less on a two year lease than you'll lose in depreciation.
The biggest fear for me would be the repair costs when something goes tits up.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on September 02, 2019, 05:49:46 PM
The biggest fear for me would be the repair costs when something goes tits up.
After 300k miles, a burst tyre perhaps?
Quote from: Tony Baloney on September 02, 2019, 05:49:46 PM
The biggest fear for me would be the repair costs when something goes tits up.
There used to be a massive problem with spare parts for Tesla's. Not sure if thats been resolved.
https://www.driving.co.uk/news/features/tesla-owners-facing-extended-wait-repairs/.
I have drove a couple of them on test drive including the Tesla S and the jag. Both great cars to drive. The Tesla acceleration has to be experienced to be believed.
Ultimately did not buy one as the range is still a problem as I do big miles from Belfast to Dublin. The next few years will see some of the major European giants (BMW/VW/Audi) starting to launch more models and EV cars will become more mainstream.
There is a massive problem coming for the likes of Maxol, Texaco, Applegreen etc. People simply will not be stopping at their filling stations any more for refuelling purposes and the loss of footfall will be significant. I know the margin on fuel is low but its rare I walk into a petrol station after filling up without coming out with a bottle of water or bar of chocolate.
Quote from: Denn Forever on September 02, 2019, 02:01:35 PM
Just wondering if is it a feasible proposition?
Not really. Not yet. It doesn't add up in depreciation and running compared to conventional yet.
As an aside, in the future it's gonna be useful having a massive distributed battery network to deal with variable supply (windfarms, tidal, wave, solar). There may be incentives from the national grid to that end at some point down the line as it'd make sense from their POV.
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on September 03, 2019, 01:07:01 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on September 02, 2019, 02:01:35 PM
Just wondering if is it a feasible proposition?
Not really. Not yet. It doesn't add up in depreciation and running compared to conventional yet.
As an aside, in the future it's gonna be useful having a massive distributed battery network to deal with variable supply (windfarms, tidal, wave, solar). There may be incentives from the national grid to that end at some point down the line as it'd make sense from their POV.
Grid operator held the first large scale battery auctions in Ireland this year, they have been going in the UK for a few years. Definitely the way forward as it gives much more flexibility to the operator however there are a few issues around things like security of supply and network reinforcement that need to be addressed before it can be deployed on a wider scale.
VW e-Golf's are quite popular here (range 125 miles) but I see a lot more Teslas and Nissan Leafs (Leaves?). We considered getting an e-Golf a while ago but at the time we had nowhere to plug it in because of where we were living.
Home charging is the way of the future. I've been doing a bit of research on this and all the literature says that public charging stations are just going to be underutilized. People are fine with charging them overnight and topping up at work during the day.
Around here they have other incentives to buy them, like letting you use the carpool lane without a passenger if you're in an EV. The problem with that is that between EVs and carpool cheaters, the carpool lanes are now as slow as the other lanes.
Always wondered how it would work when everyone is using electric cars. seems to be that in the next 15-20 years it could be all electric. Hopefully the range will be huge and the recharge time way less. I just couldn't justify with my work, where i may drive 200-300 miles a day, and stay in hotels and bnbs regularly, how I could work with one. Like right now my car does 600 miles to a tank and I can refuel and do another 600 mile within 5 mins. If im forced to use an electric car in the future hopefully it can be almost equivalent to this.
How will it work for people in appartments and flats? will there be thousands of cables and extension leads hanging out the windows? How do you stop people unplugging you for a laugh? All well and good until you get up for work the next morning with no juice.
Tesla have an auto pilot thing, I dont think that would ever work in ireland outside of the motorways. How would it calculate who has to pull in and where when meeting someone on one of the hundreds of single track roads we have.
A lot depends on your parking situation at home. If you're in an apartment building that has designated parking for residents then it shouldn't be impossible to install charge points. For people that have to park on the street it's trickier, you'd need a parking meter type device. The problem with installing infrastructure like that is it's expensive and might be made obsolete by some new technology before you've even completed the network.
To answer your question about range, for people that need longer ranges I think plug-in hybrids should work for now. There's also a type of hybrid that's really an EV, but also has a small internal combustion engine to act as a generator when the battery gets too low.
For autopilot, I could see that being legal on motorways in Ireland where the road layout is fairly standard and predictable. But if you're on the back roads and a construction worker's waving you past an obstruction, I don't see self-driving cars being smart enough to figure that out any time soon.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on September 02, 2019, 05:49:46 PM
The biggest fear for me would be the repair costs when something goes tits up.
Warranty, then extended warranty if you plan to keep it.
The new Porsche Taycan looks interesting, definitely the best looking EV so far, though still unmistakably a Porsche. The new interiors on the current model range are a huge step forward also.
(https://cnet3.cbsistatic.com/img/3W7pPRiHoqFAAhm5WOaJzRpeX3U=/1092x0/2019/09/04/40b2c246-685c-4436-aa31-c12314043f2e/2020-porsche-taycan-001.jpg)
Quote from: Tony Baloney on September 02, 2019, 05:49:46 PM
The biggest fear for me would be the repair costs when something goes tits up.
There's a lot less to go wrong with an electric car. There's nothing to them.
Porsche called it a Taycan? Really? Irish guy on staff having a bit of fun?
I see it runs $150,900 for the basic taycan, with the turbo S model at $185,000.
Some taycan for that money.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/04/porsche-debuts-teslas-newest-competition-with-the-all-electric-taycan.html
Quote from: Ball Hopper on September 04, 2019, 05:48:30 PM
Porsche called it a Taycan? Really? Irish guy on staff having a bit of fun?
I see it runs $150,900 for the basic taycan, with the turbo S model at $185,000.
Some taycan for that money.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/04/porsche-debuts-teslas-newest-competition-with-the-all-electric-taycan.html
They're Taycan the piss.
Quote from: Hardy on September 04, 2019, 10:08:55 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on September 04, 2019, 05:48:30 PM
Porsche called it a Taycan? Really? Irish guy on staff having a bit of fun?
I see it runs $150,900 for the basic taycan, with the turbo S model at $185,000.
Some taycan for that money.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/04/porsche-debuts-teslas-newest-competition-with-the-all-electric-taycan.html
They're Taycan the piss.
Thought this electric technology would defeat the extraction process? I'm not up to watt is all about, shockingly.
As far as the environment goes it's prob less CO2 but in terms of overall environment fairly dubious.... depends on other factor... how electricity is generated, manufacturing methods materials etc. Heard about a scheme in Maderia where the cars would have solar panels charge themselves and charge the grid at night...interesting to see if its a runner.
Everyday driving in the city at least tho they seem very feasible... biggest obstacle atm would be cost.
As far as self driving cars go did they ever get the liability issue sorted out? https://mobile.twitter.com/SethWageWar/status/1102712751313498112?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-9945005493595046887.ampproject.net%2F1908231648370%2Fframe.html
With EVs you at least open up the possibility of getting energy from renewables. With an internal combustion engine you don't have that option. EVs are part of the solution, but they don't claim to be the whole solution.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on September 05, 2019, 07:15:15 AM
With EVs you at least open up the possibility of getting energy from renewables. With an internal combustion engine you don't have that option. EVs are part of the solution, but they don't claim to be the whole solution.
Biodiesel?
The Tesla cars look great, seem to perform great and havea decent long range option.
Are the big drawbacks
a) the fact you can only get them seviced in Dublin
b) the worry that Tesla as a company might go bust?
they are grand as novelties buy for them to become common place there need to be huge infrastructure put in place. where I work the are 2 charging points for 600 cars if there were even 300 EV who would pay for the extra power points
Would rural areas ie. anyway west of the Shannon have the power supply to keep all these cars running. I know the power grid in mayo is strained at the minute and the esb now have to fork out huge compensation payments to each land holder to make changes to power lines. for 6 to 15K a pylon as well as community contributions who would pay for that?
Quote from: Ambrose on September 04, 2019, 04:29:30 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on September 02, 2019, 05:49:46 PM
The biggest fear for me would be the repair costs when something goes tits up.
Warranty, then extended warranty if you plan to keep it.
The new Porsche Taycan looks interesting, definitely the best looking EV so far, though still unmistakably a Porsche. The new interiors on the current model range are a huge step forward also.
(https://cnet3.cbsistatic.com/img/3W7pPRiHoqFAAhm5WOaJzRpeX3U=/1092x0/2019/09/04/40b2c246-685c-4436-aa31-c12314043f2e/2020-porsche-taycan-001.jpg)
Yeah I love that Taycan - serious cash over the model S though and would want to see the range in everyday use rather than quoted figures.
Plenty of stuff in the pipeline from other manufacturers as well in the next year or 2.
Almost bought a Tesla 6 months ago but got a hybrid instead
Living in New England I need an AWD and the range in the wintertime would have been an issue for me.
I know a bunch of people who have Tesla's and they would never go back to a gasoline fueled car. Some guys are on their 2nd.
I'm not mechanical, but I guess there's shag all that can go wrong with them. Believe it or not some of the "repairs" can be done remotely (online) and in Metro Boston they also have a technician who'll come to your house or business and fix your car without having to bring it into the shop
Quote from: thebigfella on September 05, 2019, 11:54:18 AM
Quote from: Ambrose on September 04, 2019, 04:29:30 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on September 02, 2019, 05:49:46 PM
The biggest fear for me would be the repair costs when something goes tits up.
Warranty, then extended warranty if you plan to keep it.
The new Porsche Taycan looks interesting, definitely the best looking EV so far, though still unmistakably a Porsche. The new interiors on the current model range are a huge step forward also.
(https://cnet3.cbsistatic.com/img/3W7pPRiHoqFAAhm5WOaJzRpeX3U=/1092x0/2019/09/04/40b2c246-685c-4436-aa31-c12314043f2e/2020-porsche-taycan-001.jpg)
Yeah I love that Taycan - serious cash over the model S though and would want to see the range in everyday use rather than quoted figures.
I thought the Taycan was going to be priced around the £70k mark, is there not an entry level model? The Turbo S badge is usually the preserve of the best of the road going versions of the 911 range.
Quote from: Franko on September 05, 2019, 07:28:34 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on September 05, 2019, 07:15:15 AM
With EVs you at least open up the possibility of getting energy from renewables. With an internal combustion engine you don't have that option. EVs are part of the solution, but they don't claim to be the whole solution.
Biodiesel?
Maybe. I hear the NOx emissions can be a bit high, but a lot depends on the blend. Could be useful for jet fuel.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on September 06, 2019, 06:23:39 PM
Quote from: Franko on September 05, 2019, 07:28:34 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on September 05, 2019, 07:15:15 AM
With EVs you at least open up the possibility of getting energy from renewables. With an internal combustion engine you don't have that option. EVs are part of the solution, but they don't claim to be the whole solution.
Biodiesel?
Maybe. I hear the NOx emissions can be a bit high, but a lot depends on the blend. Could be useful for jet fuel.
Is it for sustainability or CO2 they are floated as a solution for? Big problems either way when used en mass.
Was there not an issue with how how batteries are made for EV. I remember reading a few years back that most were Nickel Cadium and the production process was so bad for the environment that you had to north of 100k to offset the carbon footprint of manufacturing the batteries. Is that still the case?
Quote from: Ambrose on September 06, 2019, 05:01:20 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on September 05, 2019, 11:54:18 AM
Quote from: Ambrose on September 04, 2019, 04:29:30 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on September 02, 2019, 05:49:46 PM
The biggest fear for me would be the repair costs when something goes tits up.
Warranty, then extended warranty if you plan to keep it.
The new Porsche Taycan looks interesting, definitely the best looking EV so far, though still unmistakably a Porsche. The new interiors on the current model range are a huge step forward also.
(https://cnet3.cbsistatic.com/img/3W7pPRiHoqFAAhm5WOaJzRpeX3U=/1092x0/2019/09/04/40b2c246-685c-4436-aa31-c12314043f2e/2020-porsche-taycan-001.jpg)
Yeah I love that Taycan - serious cash over the model S though and would want to see the range in everyday use rather than quoted figures.
I thought the Taycan was going to be priced around the £70k mark, is there not an entry level model? The Turbo S badge is usually the preserve of the best of the road going versions of the 911 range.
Porsche have announced a 'cheaper' 4S version of the Taycan, starting at £83K, though with a few options such as the additional battery pack and a few creature comforts you won't have much change out of £100k.
https://www.evo.co.uk/porsche/porsche-taycan/201843/porsche-taycan-4s-revealed-with-563bhp
My grandma used to bring my Grandda his lunch a taycan and sandwiches.
I got an extended test drive in a Model S earlier in the year, other than the blistering pace, they really are fast in a straight line and the extended range, they don't have a lot going for them. The build quality is awful, doesn't come close to European standards. The paintwork is dire, orange peel effect all over the car, it should never have passed any quality control inspection. I've noticed the same problem on a lot of their cars, but you'd expect more on a demonstrator. The infotainment system is good, but the interior is decidedly low rent. Added to a non existent dealer network, I can't see a reason to buy one, especially at those prices.
Would agree entirely. The lack of fast chargers is also a major problem. Went with the Uncle in one to Portlaoise for a league game earlier this year and it was a disaster. Got down nice and early to get the charger outside the ground. It didn't work. Spent 45 minutes on the phone trying to trouble shoot it but to no avail. On the phone they were able to tell us that the other ones in the town were in use by 'Non Irish Registered Cars' so we assumed they were others down for the match.
On the way home we stopped at Athy. Took about an hour for 80 or so miles of charge. Once we got back on the Motorway the range fell dramatically so decided to go to Kildare village only to find the car park closed. Decided to head cross country from there as it was a shorter but slower journey according to the map. Range started decreasing by a little over a mile after every mile we did. So we decided to stop at another charger. Map was very poor on the app and by the time we found the charger it was closed. Unfortunately the lost miles meant we wouldn't make it to the fast charge point in Dundalk so we had to detour again to a normal charging point in Drogheda for twenty minutes to get enough charge to get to the fast charging port which in fairness worked very well but all the faffing meant we weren't home till stupid o'clock.
I also understand if you run out of charge you've to be towed at considerable expense to Dublin for the car to be reset and you are without it for a few days.
Quote from: David McKeown on April 30, 2020, 12:22:30 AM
Would agree entirely. The lack of fast chargers is also a major problem. Went with the Uncle in one to Portlaoise for a league game earlier this year and it was a disaster. Got down nice and early to get the charger outside the ground. It didn't work. Spent 45 minutes on the phone trying to trouble shoot it but to no avail. On the phone they were able to tell us that the other ones in the town were in use by 'Non Irish Registered Cars' so we assumed they were others down for the match.
On the way home we stopped at Athy. Took about an hour for 80 or so miles of charge. Once we got back on the Motorway the range fell dramatically so decided to go to Kildare village only to find the car park closed. Decided to head cross country from there as it was a shorter but slower journey according to the map. Range started decreasing by a little over a mile after every mile we did. So we decided to stop at another charger. Map was very poor on the app and by the time we found the charger it was closed. Unfortunately the lost miles meant we wouldn't make it to the fast charge point in Dundalk so we had to detour again to a normal charging point in Drogheda for twenty minutes to get enough charge to get to the fast charging port which in fairness worked very well but all the faffing meant we weren't home till stupid o'clock.
I also understand if you run out of charge you've to be towed at considerable expense to Dublin for the car to be reset and you are without it for a few days.
That's some handling David.
With a story like that, there's no incentive to invest in one, regardless of the price/benefits.
AA good reason to join the AA. Also go for a hybrid.
Quote from: Denn Forever on April 30, 2020, 10:18:29 AM
AA good reason to join the AA. Also go for a hybrid.
Think you need AAA for the Telsa.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on April 30, 2020, 10:25:41 AM
Quote from: Denn Forever on April 30, 2020, 10:18:29 AM
AA good reason to join the AA. Also go for a hybrid.
Think you need AAA for the Telsa.
Bravo, bravo.
Had a notion on the Telsa Cybertruck.. paid the deposit (only a £100) but might leave it.
With the phase out Diesel cars in the UK by the 30's, what is gonna happen to the big trucks hauling goods around? Will it be the rebirth of the railways? Also agricultural almachinary?
Quote from: Denn Forever on June 25, 2021, 05:07:26 PM
With the phase out Diesel cars in the UK by the 30's, what is gonna happen to the big trucks hauling goods around? Will it be the rebirth of the railways? Also agricultural almachinary?
There isn't even reliable electric 4x4 never mind trucks or tractors. Diesel will be around for decades yet.
Quote from: trileacman on June 25, 2021, 05:12:17 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on June 25, 2021, 05:07:26 PM
With the phase out Diesel cars in the UK by the 30's, what is gonna happen to the big trucks hauling goods around? Will it be the rebirth of the railways? Also agricultural almachinary?
There isn't even reliable electric 4x4 never mind trucks or tractors. Diesel will be around for decades yet.
I could see fuel cells being the way forward for big trucks, although you've got the hydrogen refueling problem. I've often wondered why hydrogen just couldn't be produced on site. Pipe in water, connect to the mains, and you can make your hydrogen on the spot.
There was a company called Nikola that was supposedly working on a fuel cell lorry but it seemed to be a bit of a scam aimed at gullible investors.
Quote from: Denn Forever on June 25, 2021, 05:07:26 PM
With the phase out Diesel cars in the UK by the 30's, what is gonna happen to the big trucks hauling goods around? Will it be the rebirth of the railways? Also agricultural almachinary?
The way HS2 is going in England and how long it takes us in the North to push through a poxy bypass or dual carriage upgrade, we'll be transporting goods in a hover lorry before railway infrastructure is upgraded. The Chinese have obviously been able to massively expand their infrastructure but their government obviously have fewer barriers to "progress" :-\.
Apart from infrastructure I do have to laugh at the amount of Hybrid and Electric SUVs floating around Dublin City with one or two people in them.
Surely part of the appeal of these cars is sustainability so why the need for these bigger beasts that take so much to build?
Quote from: Denn Forever on June 25, 2021, 05:07:26 PM
With the phase out Diesel cars in the UK by the 30's, what is gonna happen to the big trucks hauling goods around?
They'll be very carefully maintained, their residual values will go through the roof - and pattern parts manufacturers will be very busy.
If you drive a petrol car...
https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/drivers-warned-1million-cars-not-24374848
(https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/drivers-warned-1million-cars-not-24374848)
I wouldn't go back to a petrol car.
EV's have several advantages apart from emissions
*Recharging downhill or slowing down.
*Recharging is cheaper than petrol
*Internal combustion engines are more expensive to service. Our garage costs for the first 6 months this year are considerably lower than over the same period last year with a petrol car.
*EV's are quieter
*Governments are encouraging them so incentives are better. EV's will have lower taxes compared to petrol/diesel in the future
Wife got a hybrid last week, she's noticed a difference at the pump, I'm getting the Ford Puma hybrid soon, so hoping to see some benefits.
You'd think the petrol prices would drop once most people start going fully electric or hybrid
Electric cars may not stay around but petrol and diesel will definitely go.
The bigger change is likely to a wholesale change to the car and transport sectors.
Environmentally electric cars are a lot better than petrol/diesel alternatives in terms of emissions and air quality. There will further advancement in this area with pressure coming from big city authorities.
But in terms of lifetime carbon footprint EVs are only marginally better than petrol/diesel alternatives. They don't resolve the big issues. We need less cars. Not just less cars on the road at a point in time or a point in geography but simply less overall. We need to extend car life, increase car sharing, increase public transport provision/usage (for necessary journeys but also reduce unnecessary journeys) and break the link between car usage and exclusive access to cars (I.e. a culture of short term car hire).
Many of this will have greater applicability in areas of high population density but not exclusively so. EVs will need massive improvements in battery capacity and a whole new world of battery technology (less reliant on a narrow range of precious metals).
There is a long way to go on this.
How do you make transport viable when living in an area where you have no transport directly taking you to work?
Just recently I've changed locations, if I was to seek public transport it would add another hour on top of the time it takes me when driving. That would mean a 3 hour journey time (minimum, depending on timetables) I'm all for saving the planet but unless I can head out to the main rd and get a direct public transport to my place of work it's not happening.
A friend bought a Tesla, I think it's a horrendous looking yoke, he thinks he's the dogs bollox driving around in it. I do like the look of the new Skoda Enyaq alright but I'll stick with diesel for a bit yet.
The Electricity Network isnt ready to manage the conversion to EV anytime soon.It doesn't have the capacity to start with. Then you see the nightmare of getting a top up !
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 26, 2021, 10:49:59 AM
How do you make transport viable when living in an area where you have no transport directly taking you to work?
Just recently I've changed locations, if I was to seek public transport it would add another hour on top of the time it takes me when driving. That would mean a 3 hour journey time (minimum, depending on timetables) I'm all for saving the planet but unless I can head out to the main rd and get a direct public transport to my place of work it's not happening.
This is why better urban planning has to be part of the solution, you can't just look at transport in isolation. If people were better able to live closer to their work and other daily needs then it'd be a lot easier to provide sustainable transport solutions that are also convenient.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 26, 2021, 10:49:59 AM
How do you make transport viable when living in an area where you have no transport directly taking you to work?
+1
Public transport simply doesn't work in 99.9% of the North - the population is too distributed.
If you'd loads of parking around some larger rural bus stops/centres then people might take their cars to that, park-up and jump on a bus. Park-n-ride but on a much more extensive scale. But the current practice simply doesn't work.
The glider is a complete f**king joke. Translink and the civil servants can't see beyond the end of their nose when measuring its performance.
Passenger levels on the gliders are great they say. Except that is not the actual problem it was put in to solve.
Is congestion any better? Nope - 'cos the roads the gliders run on have lost a lane - not to mention the loss of the Kennedy Way roundabout.
So, are carbon emissions down? Of course not. They're likely significantly worse as fractionally less cars are spending significantly more time on the roads into and out of work.
Thus, when measured against what it was actually supposed to do - is the glider a success? Is it f**k. Doesn't stop the spastics at stormont from looking to roll them out elsewhere.
Quote from: trileacman on June 25, 2021, 05:12:17 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on June 25, 2021, 05:07:26 PM
With the phase out Diesel cars in the UK by the 30's, what is gonna happen to the big trucks hauling goods around? Will it be the rebirth of the railways? Also agricultural almachinary?
There isn't even reliable electric 4x4 never mind trucks or tractors. Diesel will be around for decades yet.
Buses are going to hydrogen, I presume trucks will go the same way.
https://www.kfmradio.com/news/localnews/irelands-1st-high-powered-ecar-charging-hub-launches-in-kildare-today/
This would be interesting if it is even half true.
Toyota believes it could make a solid-state battery with a range of 745 miles that charges in 10 minutes
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/jul/04/toyota-claims-battery-breakthrough-electric-cars
My boss went to pick up his all electric Audi. Dealer told him hydrogen will be ushered in quicker that people think. Replacing electric cars. (Ain't gonna be tomorrow but food for thought)
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on July 04, 2023, 08:36:55 PM
My boss went to pick up his all electric Audi. Dealer told him hydrogen will be ushered in quicker that people think. Replacing electric cars. (Ain't gonna be tomorrow but food for thought)
In that case you'd be worried that their 2nd hand value will plummet, like many other new technologies over the years.
I believe Toyota have stopped investing in electric car research and are instead switching to hydrogen.
Toyota were/are the leaders in hybrid so I'd say they are onto something they believe to be commercially viable.
I wouldn't touch electric with a barge pole.
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 05, 2023, 12:20:48 AM
I believe Toyota have stopped investing in electric car research and are instead switching to hydrogen.
Toyota were/are the leaders in hybrid so I'd say they are onto something they believe to be commercially viable.
I wouldn't touch electric with a barge pole.
Did you read the post 3 above your own?
I can't see hydrogen being rolled out that quickly. R&D still relatively early stages and usually takes a while for markets to move. There won't be widespread Hydrogen cars within the next 10 years but there will be electric. Hydrogen will come, but electric will get its day first.
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 05, 2023, 12:20:48 AM
I believe Toyota have stopped investing in electric car research and are instead switching to hydrogen.
Toyota were/are the leaders in hybrid so I'd say they are onto something they believe to be commercially viable.
I wouldn't touch electric with a barge pole.
Yeah, it'd burn the c**k aff ye if you did!!
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 05, 2023, 08:53:44 AM
I can't see hydrogen being rolled out that quickly. R&D still relatively early stages and usually takes a while for markets to move. There won't be widespread Hydrogen cars within the next 10 years but there will be electric. Hydrogen will come, but electric will get its day first.
Electric should suit a lot of cars if they can increase the range by 50% or more, and this seems likely in 3 or 4 years. Hydrogen may end up being used in HGVs, trains, ships etc.
I drive a tesla model 3, newry to dublin return daily. (work car)
home charger, night time rate of 19p /kwh. £6.50 to charge car at home, where as i was burning through £30 diesel a day previous. Very rarely use the superchargers (unless i was on a trip to wexford or somewhere further from home - the superchargers can be expensive charging 75p/kwh BT Ultimate chargers, tesla own superchargers can be diffent prices depending on time of day, roughly 40 cent / kwh.
plug in 4 times per week, saving approx 70% on fuel costs.
BIK of 22 Euro per week. previously paid 80 euro a week.
car is a class drive, reactive when needed and fun to drive. very comfortable and build quality is very good (everyone has read the reports of quality being better or worse in others).
I think alot of people are caught up in the stigma of wanting to drive petrol or diesel
For me the number one issue will be range and charge time. I drive a lot, and don't really want to be hanging round an apolegreen for half an hour until it charges enough to get home.
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on July 04, 2023, 08:36:55 PM
My boss went to pick up his all electric Audi. Dealer told him hydrogen will be ushered in quicker that people think. Replacing electric cars. (Ain't gonna be tomorrow but food for thought)
Ah, not convinced.
I got a run in a Merc fuel cell motor in Hamburg over 10 years ago now. Was a demo model that Merc were renting to people for evaluation.
Never went anywhere. Big problem has remained unchanged - efficiently storing the hydrogen and avoiding embrittlement over the long term.
Mad fact - there is more hydrogen in a litre of water than there is in a litre of liquid hydrogen! (~110 g of H2 in a litre of water, ~ 71 g of H2 in a litre of liquid H2)
Quote from: markl121 on July 05, 2023, 02:48:46 PM
For me the number one issue will be range and charge time. I drive a lot, and don't really want to be hanging round an apolegreen for half an hour until it charges enough to get home.
Home charger sorts that out - i very rarely use the public ones.
in terms of range - the vehicles are there, just down to budgets! My only regret is not getting a longer range model! Positives far out weigh the negatives however in my case
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Quote from: markl121 on July 05, 2023, 02:48:46 PM
For me the number one issue will be range and charge time. I drive a lot, and don't really want to be hanging round an apolegreen for half an hour until it charges enough to get home.
Home charger sorts that out - i very rarely use the public ones.
in terms of range - the vehicles are there, just down to budgets! My only regret is not getting a longer range model! Positives far out weigh the negatives however in my case
Home charger maybe but I live in a townhouse and home charger would mean running wire over the footpath which you just know someone will trip on. Sometimes travel the length of Ireland and stay over so would probably still need public chargers. Interested in this solid state development though that could be a game changer
Just something I noticed looking at electric cars. My inlaws have the new Toyota and I've seen thr hyundai's is there any safety concerns with electric cars thry don't seem to be built as strongly as a diesel or petrol? Thr impression I get a lot of weight removed to get further on a charge. Also why do they all have crappy looking wheels. A neighbour has a x model tesla. Ugly yoke. Prob 90k euro in the south. He was putting hub caps on it I asked him do thry not have alloys he said it was for speed. I had to stop myself from laughing. He does about 10kms a week. And the hubcaps look shite.
Quote from: Tubberman on July 05, 2023, 05:54:17 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 05, 2023, 12:20:48 AM
I believe Toyota have stopped investing in electric car research and are instead switching to hydrogen.
Toyota were/are the leaders in hybrid so I'd say they are onto something they believe to be commercially viable.
I wouldn't touch electric with a barge pole.
Did you read the post 3 above your own?
I actually didnt but that is interesting.
I know a few people in the industry and the general thinking is that Toyota/Lexus were the trailblazer in hybrid and subsequently battery vehicles.
Now they seem to be the same with hydrogen. They reckon the tech they have for hydrogen vehicles will become the norm.
Those hybrid lexus jeeps/cars were about for a long time before the notion became mainstream. It could be the same for hydrogen.
https://www.toyota.co.uk/hydrogen
Problems with electric cars...
1) They look f**king horrendous. You'd need a paper bag over yer head to drive one as you'd die from embarrassment
2) The cost of them is scandalous
3) Time to charge them and lack of chargers. Who has time to wait on car charging at a charging point or waiting for one to become free
4) They'll be obsolete in about 5-10 years.
5) Contrary to popular belief they are not some environment saving vehicle that produces only rainbows and fluffy rabbits as by products.
Trailer's verdict... Avoid
I actually saw on the news that Dublin port are running a pilot boat on some bio diesel. No modifications needed to the engine at all. Will work in all diesel engines. That is where this is headed.
Quote from: trailer on July 06, 2023, 10:30:49 AM
Problems with electric cars...
4) They'll be obsolete in about 5-10 years.
Trailer's verdict... Avoid
I actually saw on the news that Dublin port are running a pilot boat on some bio diesel. No modifications needed to the engine at all. Will work in all diesel engines. That is where this is headed.
What will replace electric cars? I'd say many cars will remain electric, once the range is increased and the weight of the batteries reduced they will be quite feasible for a lot of people. They'll be easy to maintain and service.
Biodiesel in Dublin Port uses old chip oil and the like, there are only so many chip shops, even in Dublin. You could grow stuff for biodiesel but you would be better to eat it. Biodiesel might be useful for ships or aircraft, but not so much for cars.
Quote from: trailer on July 06, 2023, 10:30:49 AM
Problems with electric cars...
1) They look f**king horrendous. You'd need a paper bag over yer head to drive one as you'd die from embarrassment
2) The cost of them is scandalous
3) Time to charge them and lack of chargers. Who has time to wait on car charging at a charging point or waiting for one to become free
4) They'll be obsolete in about 5-10 years.
5) Contrary to popular belief they are not some environment saving vehicle that produces only rainbows and fluffy rabbits as by products.
Trailer's verdict... Avoid
I actually saw on the news that Dublin port are running a pilot boat on some bio diesel. No modifications needed to the engine at all. Will work in all diesel engines. That is where this is headed.
Famously applies to every single electric car and absolutely no ICE cars. ::)
Quote from: trailer on July 06, 2023, 10:30:49 AM
Problems with electric cars...
1) They look f**king horrendous. You'd need a paper bag over yer head to drive one as you'd die from embarrassment
2) The cost of them is scandalous
3) Time to charge them and lack of chargers. Who has time to wait on car charging at a charging point or waiting for one to become free
4) They'll be obsolete in about 5-10 years.
5) Contrary to popular belief they are not some environment saving vehicle that produces only rainbows and fluffy rabbits as by products.
Trailer's verdict... Avoid
I actually saw on the news that Dublin port are running a pilot boat on some bio diesel. No modifications needed to the engine at all. Will work in all diesel engines. That is where this is headed.
1. Depends on the price
2. Leasing is good value
3. Most people charge at home. It's much cheaper than petrol
4. If they are , leasing is a good idea
5. Battery technology continues to improve. Less pollution than petrol. Less waste of energy
Biofuels have limitations too. I can't see it being wide spread. If it was undertaken as a main fuel source it would have to be produced in huge quantities. Imagine the farmland that would be required to sustain that. Not feasible in my view. Hydrogen is the way forward. We just have to kick our heels a bit.
I reckon Hydrogen is the way too
It basically a slightly modified petrol engine
It has potential to work with trucks and plant too, which batteries are quite a bit off on in terms of range
Quote from: Franko on July 06, 2023, 02:55:47 PM
I reckon Hydrogen is the way too
It basically a slightly modified petrol engine
It has potential to work with trucks and plant too, which batteries are quite a bit off on in terms of range
JCB and truck companies already using Hydrogen. The user experience is so much easier than electric.
Quote from: seafoid on July 06, 2023, 10:55:34 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 06, 2023, 10:30:49 AM
Problems with electric cars...
1) They look f**king horrendous. You'd need a paper bag over yer head to drive one as you'd die from embarrassment
2) The cost of them is scandalous
3) Time to charge them and lack of chargers. Who has time to wait on car charging at a charging point or waiting for one to become free
4) They'll be obsolete in about 5-10 years.
5) Contrary to popular belief they are not some environment saving vehicle that produces only rainbows and fluffy rabbits as by products.
Trailer's verdict... Avoid
I actually saw on the news that Dublin port are running a pilot boat on some bio diesel. No modifications needed to the engine at all. Will work in all diesel engines. That is where this is headed.
1. Depends on the price
2. Leasing is good value
3. Most people charge at home. It's much cheaper than petrol
4. If they are , leasing is a good idea
5. Battery technology continues to improve. Less pollution than petrol. Less waste of energy
5. Only if you forget that you have to actually make the battery in the first place
Quote from: Franko on July 06, 2023, 04:09:21 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 06, 2023, 10:55:34 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 06, 2023, 10:30:49 AM
Problems with electric cars...
1) They look f**king horrendous. You'd need a paper bag over yer head to drive one as you'd die from embarrassment
2) The cost of them is scandalous
3) Time to charge them and lack of chargers. Who has time to wait on car charging at a charging point or waiting for one to become free
4) They'll be obsolete in about 5-10 years.
5) Contrary to popular belief they are not some environment saving vehicle that produces only rainbows and fluffy rabbits as by products.
Trailer's verdict... Avoid
I actually saw on the news that Dublin port are running a pilot boat on some bio diesel. No modifications needed to the engine at all. Will work in all diesel engines. That is where this is headed.
1. Depends on the price
2. Leasing is good value
3. Most people charge at home. It's much cheaper than petrol
4. If they are , leasing is a good idea
5. Battery technology continues to improve. Less pollution than petrol. Less waste of energy
5. Only if you forget that you have to actually make the battery in the first place
Exactly. Are Electric vehicle owners happy to have 8 year olds mine the cobalt to make the batteries?
Quote from: trailer on July 06, 2023, 04:42:41 PM
Quote from: Franko on July 06, 2023, 04:09:21 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 06, 2023, 10:55:34 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 06, 2023, 10:30:49 AM
Problems with electric cars...
1) They look f**king horrendous. You'd need a paper bag over yer head to drive one as you'd die from embarrassment
2) The cost of them is scandalous
3) Time to charge them and lack of chargers. Who has time to wait on car charging at a charging point or waiting for one to become free
4) They'll be obsolete in about 5-10 years.
5) Contrary to popular belief they are not some environment saving vehicle that produces only rainbows and fluffy rabbits as by products.
Trailer's verdict... Avoid
I actually saw on the news that Dublin port are running a pilot boat on some bio diesel. No modifications needed to the engine at all. Will work in all diesel engines. That is where this is headed.
1. Depends on the price
2. Leasing is good value
3. Most people charge at home. It's much cheaper than petrol
4. If they are , leasing is a good idea
5. Battery technology continues to improve. Less pollution than petrol. Less waste of energy
5. Only if you forget that you have to actually make the battery in the first place
Exactly. Are Electric vehicle owners happy to have 8 year olds mine the cobalt to make the batteries?
No they are not. It is up to the operators of those mines to use robots, battery powered of course.
Quote from: Franko on July 06, 2023, 04:09:21 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 06, 2023, 10:55:34 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 06, 2023, 10:30:49 AM
Problems with electric cars...
1) They look f**king horrendous. You'd need a paper bag over yer head to drive one as you'd die from embarrassment
2) The cost of them is scandalous
3) Time to charge them and lack of chargers. Who has time to wait on car charging at a charging point or waiting for one to become free
4) They'll be obsolete in about 5-10 years.
5) Contrary to popular belief they are not some environment saving vehicle that produces only rainbows and fluffy rabbits as by products.
Trailer's verdict... Avoid
I actually saw on the news that Dublin port are running a pilot boat on some bio diesel. No modifications needed to the engine at all. Will work in all diesel engines. That is where this is headed.
1. Depends on the price
2. Leasing is good value
3. Most people charge at home. It's much cheaper than petrol
4. If they are , leasing is a good idea
5. Battery technology continues to improve. Less pollution than petrol. Less waste of energy
5. Only if you forget that you have to actually make the battery in the first place
The cobalt mining practices in The Congo for all these batteries can't be ignored plus the adoption of nuclear to provide an effective power source being overlooked as well.
And petrol is as pure as the driven now. People forget about Saudi Arabia and human rights abuses and the correlation between oil and authoritarianism. Petrol is on the way out anyway.i
Quote from: seafoid on July 07, 2023, 05:30:24 AM
And petrol is as pure as the driven now. People forget about Saudi Arabia and human rights abuses and the correlation between oil and authoritarianism. Petrol is on the way out anyway.i
That's it sorted then.
Quote from: seafoid on July 07, 2023, 05:30:24 AM
And petrol is as pure as the driven now. People forget about Saudi Arabia and human rights abuses and the correlation between oil and authoritarianism. Petrol is on the way out anyway.i
But they reinvest in football clubs so you know.. every cloud and all that.
No industry is 100% clean and the electric is no different
Quote from: trailer on July 07, 2023, 09:07:44 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 07, 2023, 05:30:24 AM
And petrol is as pure as the driven now. People forget about Saudi Arabia and human rights abuses and the correlation between oil and authoritarianism. Petrol is on the way out anyway.i
But they reinvest in football clubs so you know.. every cloud and all that.
No industry is 100% clean and the electric is no different
Oil is the precursor to all the plastics we used in car manufacturing so the demise of petrochemicals is over egged.
Spent a bit of time in China last month, they have at least 10 brands of EVs, not to mention all the scooters, tuk-tuks etc. (BYD is coming here shortly I believe). Big tax breaks are driving the market there but they are also effectively cornering the market for the rest of the world for drive line and batteries etc. Is that a good thing?? And they are backing it up with massive electricity infrastructure. A lot of it coal fired because it's fastest to bring on line and they have loads of coal. Nuclear is under way as well but they take longer to build.
A lot of green washing going on here in my humble opinion.
Quote from: trailer on July 06, 2023, 03:16:27 PM
Quote from: Franko on July 06, 2023, 02:55:47 PM
I reckon Hydrogen is the way too
It basically a slightly modified petrol engine
It has potential to work with trucks and plant too, which batteries are quite a bit off on in terms of range
JCB and truck companies already using Hydrogen. The user experience is so much easier than electric.
Hydrogen driven public buses around too.
https://smartbelfast.city/story/translink-hydrogen-buses/
If we weren't so wasteful with tax revenues we might have developed a cheap and reliable mass transit system by now. Cars would be way less of a necessity, EV or otherwise. They would probably be more expensive but it would be a price worth paying in this climate emergency.
How do people afford them or all these fancy cars, motors are such an expense in Ireland now. Is it just purely all on finance barring those with very high paid jobs?
Quote from: Last Man on July 07, 2023, 02:09:48 PM
If we weren't so wasteful with tax revenues we might have developed a cheap and reliable mass transit system by now. Cars would be way less of a necessity, EV or otherwise. They would probably be more expensive but it would be a price worth paying in this climate emergency.
Record tax revenues at the moment, it's the time to think of the future and build infrastructure for decades
Quote from: blasmere on July 07, 2023, 03:07:53 PM
Quote from: Last Man on July 07, 2023, 02:09:48 PM
If we weren't so wasteful with tax revenues we might have developed a cheap and reliable mass transit system by now. Cars would be way less of a necessity, EV or otherwise. They would probably be more expensive but it would be a price worth paying in this climate emergency.
Record tax revenues at the moment, it's the time to think of the future and build infrastructure for decades
You'd never use your car if there was a reliable quick efficient reasonably priced mode of transportation, we use them because there is a lack (of any) of infrastructure to get people from a to b.
I'm not going to add on an extra hour or two to my journey just to take expensive unreliable infrequent public transport..
Quote from: full moon on July 07, 2023, 02:27:51 PM
How do people afford them or all these fancy cars, motors are such an expense in Ireland now. Is it just purely all on finance barring those with very high paid jobs?
No idea. Car prices remain an absolute joke. There is zero value out there in my opinion.
At least the private sector is finally catching up a bit with the provision of chargers in the north. Another project which the Ministers and civil servants at Stormont were incapable of delivering.
Quote from: lurganblue on July 07, 2023, 09:02:31 PM
Quote from: full moon on July 07, 2023, 02:27:51 PM
How do people afford them or all these fancy cars, motors are such an expense in Ireland now. Is it just purely all on finance barring those with very high paid jobs?
No idea. Car prices remain an absolute joke. There is zero value out there in my opinion.
Has to be all on finance. When you think some vw golfs in the south are 35k plus. Who would have that lying around. Monthly payments are massive. I want to replace the wife's car but the 2nd hand market is still at covid prices. They will prob never come down again.
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How do people afford them or all these fancy cars, motors are such an expense in Ireland now. Is it just purely all on finance barring those with very high paid jobs?
No idea. Car prices remain an absolute joke. There is zero value out there in my opinion.
Has to be all on finance. When you think some vw golfs in the south are 35k plus. Who would have that lying around. Monthly payments are massive. I want to replace the wife's car but the 2nd hand market is still at covid prices. They will prob never come down again.
Same. Hanging on for some value to come back to the market but it is exceptionally slow and unlikely to return to where it was.
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How do people afford them or all these fancy cars, motors are such an expense in Ireland now. Is it just purely all on finance barring those with very high paid jobs?
No idea. Car prices remain an absolute joke. There is zero value out there in my opinion.
Has to be all on finance. When you think some vw golfs in the south are 35k plus. Who would have that lying around. Monthly payments are massive. I want to replace the wife's car but the 2nd hand market is still at covid prices. They will prob never come down again.
Same. Hanging on for some value to come back to the market but it is exceptionally slow and unlikely to return to where it was.
There's value to be had in private sales, but there's obviously risk there. Look for fsh and do some good checks. Cars aren't moving at the min. Some sellers have their car up for months. Try a cheeky offer you'll be surprised how much some will drop.
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How do people afford them or all these fancy cars, motors are such an expense in Ireland now. Is it just purely all on finance barring those with very high paid jobs?
No idea. Car prices remain an absolute joke. There is zero value out there in my opinion.
Has to be all on finance. When you think some vw golfs in the south are 35k plus. Who would have that lying around. Monthly payments are massive. I want to replace the wife's car but the 2nd hand market is still at covid prices. They will prob never come down again.
Same. Hanging on for some value to come back to the market but it is exceptionally slow and unlikely to return to where it was.
There's value to be had in private sales, but there's obviously risk there. Look for fsh and do some good checks. Cars aren't moving at the min. Some sellers have their car up for months. Try a cheeky offer you'll be surprised how much some will drop.
I had my old car up few months ago on Facebook market place - fsh, properly maintained, chain kit replaced. Wasn't even asking anything remotely out of the ordinary, but the thing wouldn't budge, despite some interest. Dropped the price not once but twice and eventually got some serious interest. I ended up going with whoever offered me the most and ended up with £500 less than my original asking price.
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How do people afford them or all these fancy cars, motors are such an expense in Ireland now. Is it just purely all on finance barring those with very high paid jobs?
No idea. Car prices remain an absolute joke. There is zero value out there in my opinion.
Has to be all on finance. When you think some vw golfs in the south are 35k plus. Who would have that lying around. Monthly payments are massive. I want to replace the wife's car but the 2nd hand market is still at covid prices. They will prob never come down again.
Same. Hanging on for some value to come back to the market but it is exceptionally slow and unlikely to return to where it was.
There's value to be had in private sales, but there's obviously risk there. Look for fsh and do some good checks. Cars aren't moving at the min. Some sellers have their car up for months. Try a cheeky offer you'll be surprised how much some will drop.
I had my old car up few months ago on Facebook market place - fsh, properly maintained, chain kit replaced. Wasn't even asking anything remotely out of the ordinary, but the thing wouldn't budge, despite some interest. Dropped the price not once but twice and eventually got some serious interest. I ended up going with whoever offered me the most and ended up with £500 less than my original asking price.
Maybe I'm just an old fart. But I'd never buy a car of facebook. Donedeal yes. Wouldn't even think of looking at Facebook for a car. I might have a look.
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How do people afford them or all these fancy cars, motors are such an expense in Ireland now. Is it just purely all on finance barring those with very high paid jobs?
No idea. Car prices remain an absolute joke. There is zero value out there in my opinion.
Has to be all on finance. When you think some vw golfs in the south are 35k plus. Who would have that lying around. Monthly payments are massive. I want to replace the wife's car but the 2nd hand market is still at covid prices. They will prob never come down again.
Same. Hanging on for some value to come back to the market but it is exceptionally slow and unlikely to return to where it was.
There's value to be had in private sales, but there's obviously risk there. Look for fsh and do some good checks. Cars aren't moving at the min. Some sellers have their car up for months. Try a cheeky offer you'll be surprised how much some will drop.
I had my old car up few months ago on Facebook market place - fsh, properly maintained, chain kit replaced. Wasn't even asking anything remotely out of the ordinary, but the thing wouldn't budge, despite some interest. Dropped the price not once but twice and eventually got some serious interest. I ended up going with whoever offered me the most and ended up with £500 less than my original asking price.
Not everyone has enough sense to value proper servicing on an older car when it is actually a big part of its value.
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How do people afford them or all these fancy cars, motors are such an expense in Ireland now. Is it just purely all on finance barring those with very high paid jobs?
No idea. Car prices remain an absolute joke. There is zero value out there in my opinion.
Has to be all on finance. When you think some vw golfs in the south are 35k plus. Who would have that lying around. Monthly payments are massive. I want to replace the wife's car but the 2nd hand market is still at covid prices. They will prob never come down again.
Same. Hanging on for some value to come back to the market but it is exceptionally slow and unlikely to return to where it was.
There's value to be had in private sales, but there's obviously risk there. Look for fsh and do some good checks. Cars aren't moving at the min. Some sellers have their car up for months. Try a cheeky offer you'll be surprised how much some will drop.
I had my old car up few months ago on Facebook market place - fsh, properly maintained, chain kit replaced. Wasn't even asking anything remotely out of the ordinary, but the thing wouldn't budge, despite some interest. Dropped the price not once but twice and eventually got some serious interest. I ended up going with whoever offered me the most and ended up with £500 less than my original asking price.
Went through the same. But then used it to my advantage when buying. The prices are starting to come down. Maybe not in the advertised price as people are eternal optimists when selling, but reality kicks in and if they need to shift the car then dropping price is the only way. Always cut low on the first offer.
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How do people afford them or all these fancy cars, motors are such an expense in Ireland now. Is it just purely all on finance barring those with very high paid jobs?
No idea. Car prices remain an absolute joke. There is zero value out there in my opinion.
Has to be all on finance. When you think some vw golfs in the south are 35k plus. Who would have that lying around. Monthly payments are massive. I want to replace the wife's car but the 2nd hand market is still at covid prices. They will prob never come down again.
Same. Hanging on for some value to come back to the market but it is exceptionally slow and unlikely to return to where it was.
There's value to be had in private sales, but there's obviously risk there. Look for fsh and do some good checks. Cars aren't moving at the min. Some sellers have their car up for months. Try a cheeky offer you'll be surprised how much some will drop.
I had my old car up few months ago on Facebook market place - fsh, properly maintained, chain kit replaced. Wasn't even asking anything remotely out of the ordinary, but the thing wouldn't budge, despite some interest. Dropped the price not once but twice and eventually got some serious interest. I ended up going with whoever offered me the most and ended up with £500 less than my original asking price.
Went through the same. But then used it to my advantage when buying. The prices are starting to come down. Maybe not in the advertised price as people are eternal optimists when selling, but reality kicks in and if they need to shift the car then dropping price is the only way. Always cut low on the first offer.
Within reason. The worst I got was from some clampet second hand car-dealer. Lowballed me £3k under what I was asking. I screenshot from his website a similar model he had in stock and asked would he take the same amount for that. He turned round and said nobody wanted my car because it was manual - despite minutes earlier having made an offer. I pointed this out to him, he told me to do one and then blocked me!
Edit: AH Performance Lisburn for anyone wondering ;D
Have there been any cases of families being fried inside electric cars because of shortcircuiting? That would be my fear, driving in one and then the electrics going mad and you frying inside it. You wou;dn't be able to open the door for the electic shock. It would be a horrible way to go but even more horrific if you were driving past a family in an electic car that is shortcircuiting and you watching them frying to death. That's my fear.
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How do people afford them or all these fancy cars, motors are such an expense in Ireland now. Is it just purely all on finance barring those with very high paid jobs?
No idea. Car prices remain an absolute joke. There is zero value out there in my opinion.
Has to be all on finance. When you think some vw golfs in the south are 35k plus. Who would have that lying around. Monthly payments are massive. I want to replace the wife's car but the 2nd hand market is still at covid prices. They will prob never come down again.
Same. Hanging on for some value to come back to the market but it is exceptionally slow and unlikely to return to where it was.
There's value to be had in private sales, but there's obviously risk there. Look for fsh and do some good checks. Cars aren't moving at the min. Some sellers have their car up for months. Try a cheeky offer you'll be surprised how much some will drop.
I had my old car up few months ago on Facebook market place - fsh, properly maintained, chain kit replaced. Wasn't even asking anything remotely out of the ordinary, but the thing wouldn't budge, despite some interest. Dropped the price not once but twice and eventually got some serious interest. I ended up going with whoever offered me the most and ended up with £500 less than my original asking price.
Went through the same. But then used it to my advantage when buying. The prices are starting to come down. Maybe not in the advertised price as people are eternal optimists when selling, but reality kicks in and if they need to shift the car then dropping price is the only way. Always cut low on the first offer.
Within reason. The worst I got was from some clampet second hand car-dealer. Lowballed me £3k under what I was asking. I screenshot from his website a similar model he had in stock and asked would he take the same amount for that. He turned round and said nobody wanted my car because it was manual - despite minutes earlier having made an offer. I pointed this out to him, he told me to do one and then blocked me! Edit: AH Performance Lisburn for anyone wondering ;D
But the worst they can do is say no. Nothing worse than getting a first offer accepted!! 😉
From what I can see if you drive past most second hand car dealerships it all primarily seems to be Audis, BMW, Volkwagons & Mercs. High end cars with high end price tags, surely with the increased interest rates / cost of borrowing like housing affordability will soon become an issue. I hope this is this the case as will need to replace wife's vehicle in the next few months, it has big miles and starting to give some bother. Looking on line at the moment and prices are scary compared to what we paid a few years ago for similar model / spec i.e. 4 years old 50,000 miles but easily costing 50% more.
Quote from: LC on July 09, 2023, 03:08:39 PM
From what I can see if you drive past most second hand car dealerships it all primarily seems to be Audis, BMW, Volkwagons & Mercs. High end cars with high end price tags, surely with the increased interest rates / cost of borrowing like housing affordability will soon become an issue. I hope this is this the case as will need to replace wife's vehicle in the next few months, it has big miles and starting to give some bother. Looking on line at the moment and prices are scary compared to what we paid a few years ago for similar model / spec i.e. 4 years old 50,000 miles but easily costing 50% more.
From what I've been told this is driven by what is financeable. You can only get finance on younger cars with less than 100K.
That means those mid-priced cars, say the 5-10K cars can only be bought if you have the cash laying around. Not too many people have that, and if they do, they don't want to blow it all on car.
To make the situation worse, with the way used prices are, the 5K car today is the 2K car 5 years ago. So your money gets you less.
We have a Ford Galaxy, have it 12 years and its more or less worthless ('08 with 180K on the clock). But if I can get it through the test this year, it'll be on the road another year. Its our 2nd car so if it keeps going its staying on the road. I'd advise anyone to do the same in the current car climate.
That being said, I'm currently trying to sell my old car - a 2010 Mercedes Vito (8 seater) and I'm not getting much interest as yet even though it's on usedcarsni and FB marketplace. There doesn't seem to be anything else comparable for sale at the moment so either I'm looking too much or there just isnt the demand for that type of vehicle. Anyone interested send me a PM :D
Will second hand car prices come down?
If so, what will cause them to drop in price?
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Will second hand car prices come down?
If so, what will cause them to drop in price?
It's hard to know.
With interest rates going up, finance costs more so the financeable has a much higher lifetime cost of ownership.
So I'd imagine this will drive some people who wouldn't normally be interested into the cheaper used car market. They'll probably take their bank/credit union loans to buy the used car which will keep the prices high.
On the other hand, if people like me hold onto their 2nd hand cars then there are less to buy and so the price goes up.
Cost of living increase is bound to have an impact on the volume of buyers out there, and usually when demand reduces prices fall.
In reality it's probably all of the above, some factors pulling the prices down and other factors keeping them high.
Just like houses and any other large purchase.
Quote from: LC on July 09, 2023, 03:08:39 PM
From what I can see if you drive past most second hand car dealerships it all primarily seems to be Audis, BMW, Volkwagons & Mercs. High end cars with high end price tags, surely with the increased interest rates / cost of borrowing like housing affordability will soon become an issue. I hope this is this the case as will need to replace wife's vehicle in the next few months, it has big miles and starting to give some bother. Looking on line at the moment and prices are scary compared to what we paid a few years ago for similar model / spec i.e. 4 years old 50,000 miles but easily costing 50% more.
Petrol price up by 7 cent on top of VAT changes earlier.
I think more price rises are inevitable. In the last 2 days price rises have also been announced in health insurance and interest rates are also on the way up.
Related and unrelated at the same time but mate took his kids on the train to Dublin on Sunday. Said it was full of youngsters, heading to a festival. Loud, drunk, scantily clad etc. Went to get the train home in the afternoon, said the train was a f**king mess, piss, vomit, drink spilt everywhere. Got straight off before it left and got a taxi home.
Public transport is a joke. We need private vehicles.
I have already stated the issues with EVs.
We need our diesel vehicles. And while Neymar fly's around the world, in the worlds largest private plane, I'll keep my big jeep and more and more people think the same. Until governments give us workable solutions this will remain the case. People's attitudes are changing and it isn't towards tree hugging.
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Related and unrelated at the same time but mate took his kids on the train to Dublin on Sunday. Said it was full of youngsters, heading to a festival. Loud, drunk, scantily clad etc. Went to get the train home in the afternoon, said the train was a f**king mess, piss, vomit, drink spilt everywhere. Got straight off before it left and got a taxi home.
Public transport is a joke. We need private vehicles.
I have already stated the issues with EVs.
We need our diesel vehicles. And while Neymar fly's around the world, in the worlds largest private plane, I'll keep my big jeep and more and more people think the same. Until governments give us workable solutions this will remain the case. People's attitudes are changing and it isn't towards tree hugging.
+1. They are putting the cart before the horse in every one of their so-called solutions. Brain dead stuff!
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Related and unrelated at the same time but mate took his kids on the train to Dublin on Sunday. Said it was full of youngsters, heading to a festival. Loud, drunk, scantily clad etc. Went to get the train home in the afternoon, said the train was a f**king mess, piss, vomit, drink spilt everywhere. Got straight off before it left and got a taxi home.
Public transport is a joke. We need private vehicles.
I have already stated the issues with EVs.
We need our diesel vehicles. And while Neymar fly's around the world, in the worlds largest private plane, I'll keep my big jeep and more and more people think the same. Until governments give us workable solutions this will remain the case. People's attitudes are changing and it isn't towards tree hugging.
Diesel is going to be priced out of sight in the next decade. Fossil fuels are on the way out.
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Quote from: trailer on August 31, 2023, 04:33:46 PM
Related and unrelated at the same time but mate took his kids on the train to Dublin on Sunday. Said it was full of youngsters, heading to a festival. Loud, drunk, scantily clad etc. Went to get the train home in the afternoon, said the train was a f**king mess, piss, vomit, drink spilt everywhere. Got straight off before it left and got a taxi home.
Public transport is a joke. We need private vehicles.
I have already stated the issues with EVs.
We need our diesel vehicles. And while Neymar fly's around the world, in the worlds largest private plane, I'll keep my big jeep and more and more people think the same. Until governments give us workable solutions this will remain the case. People's attitudes are changing and it isn't towards tree hugging.
Diesel is going to be priced out of sight in the next decade. Fossil fuels are on the way out.
You say that but ppl are already voting these c***ts out of power and we'll follow here. Uproar in England over ULEZ for example. Dutch farmers the same.
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Quote from: trailer on August 31, 2023, 04:33:46 PM
Related and unrelated at the same time but mate took his kids on the train to Dublin on Sunday. Said it was full of youngsters, heading to a festival. Loud, drunk, scantily clad etc. Went to get the train home in the afternoon, said the train was a f**king mess, piss, vomit, drink spilt everywhere. Got straight off before it left and got a taxi home.
Public transport is a joke. We need private vehicles.
I have already stated the issues with EVs.
We need our diesel vehicles. And while Neymar fly's around the world, in the worlds largest private plane, I'll keep my big jeep and more and more people think the same. Until governments give us workable solutions this will remain the case. People's attitudes are changing and it isn't towards tree hugging.
Diesel is going to be priced out of sight in the next decade. Fossil fuels are on the way out.
You say that but ppl are already voting these c***ts out of power and we'll follow here. Uproar in England over ULEZ for example. Dutch farmers the same.
It won't change anything in the medium term
The well known lefties the Tories included a commitment to phase out petrol and diesel cars in their 2019 election manifesto.
Anyone got an Audi etron? What's the verdict? Looking at changing to first EV but concerned about mileage capabilities. Audi giving a range of 256 to a full charge, but then it's not advisable to charge beyond 80% to protect battery life. Add in that the 256 is likely optimistic in the first place, I'm thinking it would be closer to 200mile to a normal charge
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Anyone got an Audi etron? What's the verdict? Looking at changing to first EV but concerned about mileage capabilities. Audi giving a range of 256 to a full charge, but then it's not advisable to charge beyond 80% to protect battery life. Add in that the 256 is likely optimistic in the first place, I'm thinking it would be closer to 200mile to a normal charge
We have. We have around 270 and you just work around it. As long as fast chargers are available and/or you have a home charger it is grand. You just build it into your planning. On long journeys you build in stops. The remaining range is a guess based on most recent experience .It is not definitive. It is not the same as a petrol/diesel estimate afaik.
We have the car for 2 years and the one that replaces it will have a longer range.
If we are a bit tight on the way home and it is 40 miles and we only have say 30 miles range we first shut down all entertainment , AC etc. This usually gets it back to say 50. Otherwise we do a quick top up back to 50. Do not run out of charge.
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Quote from: knockitdown on September 17, 2023, 10:58:48 AM
Anyone got an Audi etron? What's the verdict? Looking at changing to first EV but concerned about mileage capabilities. Audi giving a range of 256 to a full charge, but then it's not advisable to charge beyond 80% to protect battery life. Add in that the 256 is likely optimistic in the first place, I'm thinking it would be closer to 200mile to a normal charge
We have. We have around 270 and you just work around it. As long as fast chargers are available and/or you have a home charger it is grand. You just build it into your planning. On long journeys you build in stops. The remaining range is a guess based on most recent experience .It is not definitive. It is not the same as a petrol/diesel estimate afaik.
We have the car for 2 years and the one that replaces it will have a longer range.
If we are a bit tight on the way home and it is 40 miles and we only have say 30 miles range we first shut down all entertainment , AC etc. This usually gets it back to say 50. Otherwise we do a quick top up back to 50. Do not run out of charge.
Fair play to you I wouldn't be bothered with electric outside of the cities. Spending how much on an electric car to have to turn off heat AC etc to make sure you get home. Feck that. Prob charging it from an electric source made by fossil fuel.
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Anyone got an Audi etron? What's the verdict? Looking at changing to first EV but concerned about mileage capabilities. Audi giving a range of 256 to a full charge, but then it's not advisable to charge beyond 80% to protect battery life. Add in that the 256 is likely optimistic in the first place, I'm thinking it would be closer to 200mile to a normal charge
We have. We have around 270 and you just work around it. As long as fast chargers are available and/or you have a home charger it is grand. You just build it into your planning. On long journeys you build in stops. The remaining range is a guess based on most recent experience .It is not definitive. It is not the same as a petrol/diesel estimate afaik.
We have the car for 2 years and the one that replaces it will have a longer range.
If we are a bit tight on the way home and it is 40 miles and we only have say 30 miles range we first shut down all entertainment , AC etc. This usually gets it back to say 50. Otherwise we do a quick top up back to 50. Do not run out of charge.
Fair play to you I wouldn't be bothered with electric outside of the cities. Spending how much on an electric car to have to turn off heat AC etc to make sure you get home. Feck that. Prob charging it from an electric source made by fossil fuel.
Imagine if diesel cars ever ran low on diesel. They would have to hold to a filling station. Thank god that never happens.
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Imagine if diesel cars ever ran low on diesel. They would have to hold to a filling station. Thank god that never happens.
No, someone can put 5L of diesel in a can and bring it to the car.
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Quote from: knockitdown on September 17, 2023, 10:58:48 AM
Anyone got an Audi etron? What's the verdict? Looking at changing to first EV but concerned about mileage capabilities. Audi giving a range of 256 to a full charge, but then it's not advisable to charge beyond 80% to protect battery life. Add in that the 256 is likely optimistic in the first place, I'm thinking it would be closer to 200mile to a normal charge
We have. We have around 270 and you just work around it. As long as fast chargers are available and/or you have a home charger it is grand. You just build it into your planning. On long journeys you build in stops. The remaining range is a guess based on most recent experience .It is not definitive. It is not the same as a petrol/diesel estimate afaik.
We have the car for 2 years and the one that replaces it will have a longer range.
If we are a bit tight on the way home and it is 40 miles and we only have say 30 miles range we first shut down all entertainment , AC etc. This usually gets it back to say 50. Otherwise we do a quick top up back to 50. Do not run out of charge.
Thanks
Do you charge it to 100% or just 80% as recommended?
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Imagine if diesel cars ever ran low on diesel. They would have to hold to a filling station. Thank god that never happens.
No, someone can put 5L of diesel in a can and bring it to the car.
In Armagh.
How many times in a decade would a typical driver run out of diesel ?
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Quote from: seafoid on September 17, 2023, 01:48:19 PM
Imagine if diesel cars ever ran low on diesel. They would have to hold to a filling station. Thank god that never happens.
No, someone can put 5L of diesel in a can and bring it to the car.
In Armagh.
How many times in a decade would a typical driver run out of diesel ?
Less than the number of power cuts.
Quote from: armaghniac on September 17, 2023, 06:24:18 PMQuote from: seafoid on September 17, 2023, 05:51:52 PMQuote from: armaghniac on September 17, 2023, 01:59:15 PMQuote from: seafoid on September 17, 2023, 01:48:19 PMImagine if diesel cars ever ran low on diesel. They would have to hold to a filling station. Thank god that never happens.
No, someone can put 5L of diesel in a can and bring it to the car.
In Armagh.
How many times in a decade would a typical driver run out of diesel ?
Less than the number of power cuts.
A bio diesel will come on stream soon. Engines won't need to be adapted. For this and lots of other reasons electric vehicles won't take off. Governments are already pulling subsidies and tax breaks.
Quote from: trailer on September 19, 2023, 03:46:07 PMA bio diesel will come on stream soon. Engines won't need to be adapted. For this and lots of other reasons electric vehicles won't take off. Governments are already pulling subsidies and tax breaks.
Bio diesel is perfectly possible technically. However, the challenge is to produce biodiesel without reducing the food supply.
Batteries will double in life and halve in size in the next 5 years and likely reduce in cost too, this will make electric cars feasible and so biodiesel might be better reserved for a harder challenge like aeroplanes.
Quote from: armaghniac on September 19, 2023, 05:13:15 PMQuote from: trailer on September 19, 2023, 03:46:07 PMA bio diesel will come on stream soon. Engines won't need to be adapted. For this and lots of other reasons electric vehicles won't take off. Governments are already pulling subsidies and tax breaks.
Bio diesel is perfectly possible technically. However, the challenge is to produce biodiesel without reducing the food supply.
Batteries will double in life and halve in size in the next 5 years and likely reduce in cost too, this will make electric cars feasible and so biodiesel might be better reserved for a harder challenge like aeroplanes.
Sunak announces a row back tonight. Like I predicted.
Toyota "road" map, if you can actually go into the showroom in 2026 and buy a yoke that is significantly cheaper and with 600Km range, then that would suit a lot of people.
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Quote from: trailer on September 19, 2023, 10:18:46 PMQuote from: armaghniac on September 19, 2023, 05:13:15 PMQuote from: trailer on September 19, 2023, 03:46:07 PMA bio diesel will come on stream soon. Engines won't need to be adapted. For this and lots of other reasons electric vehicles won't take off. Governments are already pulling subsidies and tax breaks.
Bio diesel is perfectly possible technically. However, the challenge is to produce biodiesel without reducing the food supply.
Batteries will double in life and halve in size in the next 5 years and likely reduce in cost too, this will make electric cars feasible and so biodiesel might be better reserved for a harder challenge like aeroplanes.
Sunak announces a row back tonight. Like I predicted.
Just right - infrastructure isn't there to switch to electric cars and also the price of electric cars no one can afford them
Quote from: armaghniac on September 17, 2023, 06:24:18 PMQuote from: seafoid on September 17, 2023, 05:51:52 PMQuote from: armaghniac on September 17, 2023, 01:59:15 PMQuote from: seafoid on September 17, 2023, 01:48:19 PMImagine if diesel cars ever ran low on diesel. They would have to hold to a filling station. Thank god that never happens.
No, someone can put 5L of diesel in a can and bring it to the car.
In Armagh.
How many times in a decade would a typical driver run out of diesel ?
Less than the number of power cuts.
I would love to see the data.
The Luton airport fire :o
Quote from: theskull1 on October 11, 2023, 11:35:10 AMThe Luton airport fire :o
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/luton-airport-car-park-cause-b2427767.html
"We don't believe it was an electric vehicle," Andrew Hopkinson, chief fire officer for Bedfordshire Fire and Rescue Service, said.
"It's believed to be diesel-powered, at this stage all subject to verification. And then that fire has quickly and rapidly spread.
Yes I heard a non hybrid diesel range rover mentioned. But if it caused neighboring EVs to light up, then I'd be fairly sure this will be the major factor in it getting out of control.
I hear bad reports from people about Range/Land Rovers.
Seems to be issues with them.
Quote from: marty34 on October 11, 2023, 08:07:58 PMI hear bad reports from people about Range/Land Rovers.
Seems to be issues with them.
In general yes, poor build quality on the discovery and Evoque I was told, not specific to electric or hybrids though
I have had an electric vehicle (tesla) 6 months,
travel in the region of 1000 miles a week, home charging costing £60 a week, in comparison to £140 I was spending on a previous Audi. able to claim back 8p per mile which gives me the chance to plug in to a supercharger if ever required or if i happen to pull in for a coffee and the jacks. as long as you have home charging there is never any issues.
serious savings in company car tax, costing 22 euro a week in comparison to 90 a week with diesel.
public charging is a bit of a luxury, there is plenty of it about contrary to previous reports here. i get roughly 280-300 miles per full charge, some days taking 65, some days taking 70% of the charge return to dublin from newry area.
serious lift out of the car - i was surprised at just how much. certainly the fastest car ive driven.
anyway - link for £500 or euro discount if ordered below; also for the test drive
https://ts.la/michael568802
Arse has fallen out of the second hand market for electric vehicles. The wide spread adoption that was predicted simply hasn't happened.
its all well and good being able to buy an electric car but if anything goes wrong with them its massive money. also the parts aren't as readily available. Anyone here had an Electric car involved in an accident? was talking to a fella who works in insurance and he said one of the reasons premiums are going up is that any accident involving an electric car is mega money. Def think bio diesel and then eventually some sort of Hydro will be the way we head
Quote from: trailer on February 15, 2024, 09:55:45 AMArse has fallen out of the second hand market for electric vehicles. The wide spread adoption that was predicted simply hasn't happened.
100%
Second hand these things are worth noting now
Replacement batteries are extortionate and insurance companies are putting prices up for EVs
Only way to have an EV, lease it for three years then get another one.
The growth rate of EVs has slowed down but how many cars need to have their battery replaced ? Engine trouble on petrol/diesel cars is also ruinous.
Quote from: seafoid on February 15, 2024, 11:23:16 AMThe growth rate of EVs has slowed down but how many cars need to have their battery replaced ? Engine trouble on petrol/diesel cars is also ruinous.
Parts an issue. Even cars under warranty lots of manufactures have discontinued parts and replacing them is impossible. These cars are a fad and like I originally said avoid at all costs.
I'll embrace the green revolution when they ban private jets and invest in quality public transport. And don't get me started on paper straws ffs!
Quote from: trailer on February 15, 2024, 11:31:19 AMQuote from: seafoid on February 15, 2024, 11:23:16 AMThe growth rate of EVs has slowed down but how many cars need to have their battery replaced ? Engine trouble on petrol/diesel cars is also ruinous.
Parts an issue. Even cars under warranty lots of manufactures have discontinued parts and replacing them is impossible. These cars are a fad and like I originally said avoid at all costs.
I'll embrace the green revolution when they ban private jets and invest in quality public transport. And don't get me started on paper straws ffs!
They are not a fad. Climate change is already happening. Petrol and diesel prices are linked to fossil fuel price volatility as well. A proper assessment of advantages and disadvantages would have to include everything, not just selected anecdotes.
Are hybrids a decent alternative in terms of fuel efficiency? Or do they have similar difficulties with repair?
Quote from: laceer on February 15, 2024, 11:44:18 AMAre hybrids a decent alternative in terms of fuel efficiency? Or do they have similar difficulties with repair?
My da and brother have hybrids. What they seem to offer to diesel fuel economy from a petrol engine.
Just to jump on here as I work in D4 and this week the roads around are nice and quiet as the schools are off. Come next week the X5, X7s and other monster truck EVs will be back out dropping the one kid to school in a place where they are really well served with public transport and bike lanes.
They need to stop subsidising rich people buying massive SUVs and put money into public transport.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on February 15, 2024, 01:46:44 PMJust to jump on here as I work in D4 and this week the roads around are nice and quiet as the schools are off. Come next week the X5, X7s and other monster truck EVs will be back out dropping the one kid to school in a place where they are really well served with public transport and bike lanes.
They need to stop subsidising rich people buying massive SUVs and put money into public transport.
Banning SUVs and anything over a 2 litre engine might be a good start.
Quote from: markl121 on February 15, 2024, 12:06:00 PMQuote from: laceer on February 15, 2024, 11:44:18 AMAre hybrids a decent alternative in terms of fuel efficiency? Or do they have similar difficulties with repair?
My da and brother have hybrids. What they seem to offer to diesel fuel economy from a petrol engine.
My Dad has a hybrid. I think it's 5 litres per 100km.
Quote from: seafoid on February 15, 2024, 02:35:39 PMQuote from: markl121 on February 15, 2024, 12:06:00 PMQuote from: laceer on February 15, 2024, 11:44:18 AMAre hybrids a decent alternative in terms of fuel efficiency? Or do they have similar difficulties with repair?
My da and brother have hybrids. What they seem to offer to diesel fuel economy from a petrol engine.
My Dad has a hybrid. I think it's 5 litres per 100km.
What model of car?
Quote from: toby47 on February 15, 2024, 03:36:20 PMQuote from: seafoid on February 15, 2024, 02:35:39 PMQuote from: markl121 on February 15, 2024, 12:06:00 PMQuote from: laceer on February 15, 2024, 11:44:18 AMAre hybrids a decent alternative in terms of fuel efficiency? Or do they have similar difficulties with repair?
My da and brother have hybrids. What they seem to offer to diesel fuel economy from a petrol engine.
My Dad has a hybrid. I think it's 5 litres per 100km.
What model of car?
Toyota Corolla hybrid.
We had a diesel Audi which we bought secondhand and it ran very well until one day about 2 years in when there was a sign telling us to bring it to the garage. So we did. and it never came out of the garage. The mechanics coudn't tell us what the problem was and it wasn't worth the cost of labour to find out what the problem was but the engine was banjaxed.
So we decided to get an electric car. And I agree about hire purchase. Batteries are improving all the time so in a few years we will get a new car on HP with better range.
I have a hybrid, its a waste of time. I dont bother charge it half the time. You are not achieving anything with them bar getting cheap motor tax. Go electric or stay with Diesel.
Harry Metcalfe is a 30+ years impartial motoring journalist (so not a modern day clickbait youtuber). He's recently posted this video discussing the topic.
Why I've gone back to driving a diesel after 2 years with an EV and then 2.5 years driving a PHEV as our family car. What needs to change to get me to go back to EV?
Good video. If you're on a company car scheme, have a driveway charger and typically do less than 150 miles each day then they are a great option.
I wouldn't buy one private, too many unknowns and the unknowns seem to be getting more uncertain.
Quote from: theskull1 on February 15, 2024, 04:51:27 PMHarry Metcalfe is a 30+ years impartial motoring journalist (so not a modern day clickbait youtuber). He's recently posted this video discussing the topic.
Why I've gone back to driving a diesel after 2 years with an EV and then 2.5 years driving a PHEV as our family car. What needs to change to get me to go back to EV?
Good video. Harry is well worth listening to.